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Texas voter ID trial: Teen testifies about law's effects
Lubbock Online ^ | 11 July 2012 | AP story

Posted on 07/11/2012 11:17:59 PM PDT by smokingfrog

WASHINGTON (AP)— A San Antonio teenager said Tuesday that she didn't have the right documents to comply with Texas' new voter ID law and would be disenfranchised if it goes into effect.

Victoria Rose Rodriguez, 18, told a federal court in Washington that she had limited documentation — a birth certificate, a high school transcript and a student ID card with a photo on it — but is currently a registered voter in Texas. She said her parents are too busy to take her or her twin sister to get the new voter identification cards required by the law.

Getting a driver's license also is not an option, she said, because it would mean she and her sister would be added to her family's car insurance, a costly move.

"My dad works all day," she said. "And my mother is the sole caretaker for my grandmother."

Rodriguez's testimony came at the end of the second day of a trial to determine whether Texas' new voter ID law violates the federal Voting Rights Act. A three-judge panel is hearing the case after the state of Texas sued the Justice Department, which blocked the law under the Act in March.

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She can travel all the way to Washington DC to testify, but she doesn't have time to travel across town to get a State issued ID card? How did she get to Washington DC? Did she walk, take a bus, fly on a private jet???

Give me a break!!!

1 posted on 07/11/2012 11:18:14 PM PDT by smokingfrog
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To: smokingfrog

“She said her parents are too busy to take her or her twin sister to get the new voter identification cards required by the law.”

It’s a personal problem....Jim!

Then the problem wouldn’t be the law, but her parents....right?


2 posted on 07/11/2012 11:24:44 PM PDT by Puckster
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To: smokingfrog

So her mother NEVER leaves the house? Lol what worthless daughters who cannot take care of their grandmother so their mom can leave home for an hour or three.


3 posted on 07/11/2012 11:26:00 PM PDT by petitfour
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To: smokingfrog

Oh, boo hoo. Waaaaaa. I don’t “have time” to get my car registration done, but the tags expire next week, so I’ll go there before work. I “don’t have the money” either, but I’ll pay the 55 dollars anyway because it’s a lot cheaper than a ticket.


4 posted on 07/11/2012 11:27:57 PM PDT by Greg123456 (Don't make me open a can of Monster!)
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To: smokingfrog

It’s a pretty sad and sorrowful tale. A 18 year old kid, with no apparent license and can never drive a car. An 18 year old kid who can’t buy booze or beer. An 18 year old kid who can never pick up narcotic drugs at the pharmacy. an 18 year old kid who can never open a bank account.

She’s likely to be one of those kids who stay in the parents home for the rest of her life. Pretty sad...no future...no hope...all because she just doesn’t have an ID. The only bright spot? Maybe some court system can toss out the voter ID law, and at least allow her to vote....and hope that mom or dad can drive her to the voting station. If they can’t....she will be denied a chance to vote because of lack of transportation (which ought to be brought up as the next major problem in America).


5 posted on 07/11/2012 11:28:23 PM PDT by pepsionice
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To: smokingfrog

No buses in San Antonio? No friends or relatives? How did she travel to DC?


6 posted on 07/11/2012 11:28:40 PM PDT by petitfour
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To: smokingfrog

You have 4 years to get the ID!!! Every democratic system have a dead line to register and vote. I think US is the only democratic country with corruption in this process, where you could register and vote on the same day


7 posted on 07/11/2012 11:30:33 PM PDT by 4rcane
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To: smokingfrog

What a bunch of nonsense!!!

#1, just getting a driver’s license does not automatically put you on anyone’s insurance policy unless Texas has some law requiring it that I’m unaware of.

#2, if her parents are too busy, they how is she going to get to the polls to vote?

More lying BS, just like Sandra FLUKE.


8 posted on 07/11/2012 11:31:44 PM PDT by firedawg76
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To: smokingfrog
"Getting a driver's license also is not an option, she said, because it would mean she and her sister would be added to her family's car insurance, a costly move. "

Bullcrap!

The possession of a driver's license in no way implies that you own a car, have access to or permission to drive a car.

The owner of the policy only pays for those people he/she lists as drivers of that vehicle. You can have twenty people living in the house, all with licenses, but if they're not listed, they're not covered.

Whoever got them to DC can damn well get them to the License Bureau or to the Voter Registration facility.
9 posted on 07/11/2012 11:38:31 PM PDT by shibumi (Cover it with gas and set it on fire.)
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To: shibumi

Furthermore, the dmv will issue a non-driver’s I.D. with the documentation that she says she has.


10 posted on 07/11/2012 11:45:58 PM PDT by kabumpo (Kabumpo)
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To: smokingfrog

Remember that your girl who testified that Iraqi soldiers were throwing babies out of their incubators in Kuwait?


11 posted on 07/11/2012 11:48:43 PM PDT by itsahoot (The Political Elites are the modern Royals, and the king shall have his due.)
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To: smokingfrog

So if I “don’t have time” to go to the DMV to update my driver’s license and plates, and I get in a car accident or pulled over for speeding, could I claim “disenfranchisement” if a cop asked to see my license? If I “don’t have time” to get my insurance in order, is it unreasonable for a cop to ask to see my papers? If I “don’t have time” to update my passport before traveling abroad, I should be allowed to come and go as I please without being harassed by airport personnel?

She’s not upset because the law treats her as an inferior. She’s mad because the law won’t treat her as a superior.


12 posted on 07/11/2012 11:50:28 PM PDT by Mabh
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To: smokingfrog

Hard facts make bad case law. Likewise, hard facts make bad legislation.


13 posted on 07/12/2012 12:04:54 AM PDT by monocle
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To: Méabh; All

I say if she’s too stupid to figure out how to get to the BMV or the Voter Registration place then she’s too stupid to vote anyway.


14 posted on 07/12/2012 12:05:15 AM PDT by shibumi (Cover it with gas and set it on fire.)
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To: Méabh

Dunno what the complaint is. If she’s got the BC, then it’s easy enough to go out and get r done.


15 posted on 07/12/2012 12:10:03 AM PDT by JCBreckenridge (Texas, Texas, Whisky)
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To: smokingfrog

Gee, I don’t have time to pay my income tax. Can I get an exemption or sumthin?


16 posted on 07/12/2012 12:12:21 AM PDT by expat1000
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To: smokingfrog
She said her parents are too busy to take her or her twin sister to get the new voter identification cards required by the law.

This is why the voting age should be 25. If this silly girl can't even figure out a way to get across town to the DMV, how in the **** are we to expect her to have enough knowledge and experience to help guide the direction of the country?

And, by the way, this is also why the 19th Amendment should be repealed. This girl was specifically trotted out for her sob story because roughly 51% of the country will be moved to tears by her ridiculous, anecdotal, illogical appeal to emotionalism. And the other 49% are afraid to point out how stupid she is because that would be "misogynistic".
17 posted on 07/12/2012 12:22:33 AM PDT by fr_freak
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To: pepsionice
A 18 year old kid, with no apparent license and can never drive a car... buy booze ...pick up narcotic drugs ... open a bank account.

And who also could not fly to D.C. to testify. Wonder how she got here - walk?

Also, simply having a driver's license does not require that you be added to the parents insurance - only if you are actually driving do you have to have insurance!

18 posted on 07/12/2012 12:44:07 AM PDT by TexasRedeye
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To: TexasRedeye

How did she get through TSA without a drivers license?


19 posted on 07/12/2012 12:59:57 AM PDT by AZLiberty (No tag today.)
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To: smokingfrog

Did she testify in English?


20 posted on 07/12/2012 1:05:08 AM PDT by Lancey Howard
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To: smokingfrog

I expect the dead to show up and complain how they are disenfranchised as well with a voter ID law...

...and we all know zombies don’t work and feed off other people—Democrat voters to be sure.


21 posted on 07/12/2012 1:24:33 AM PDT by Happy Rain (With one horribly sick and wrong ruling, Traitor Roberts cursed America with a Fascist IRS.)
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To: smokingfrog

An adult, yet the excuse is their parents are “too busy” to take them for an ID.

You know the dems are going to invalidate these voter ID laws all across the country before the election.


22 posted on 07/12/2012 1:34:02 AM PDT by Williams (No Obama)
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To: Williams
You know the dems are going to invalidate these voter ID laws all across the country before the election."

Yep. The Dems have no intention of losing in November. We will see fraud, including millions of illegals voting, on whatever scale is required to neutralize the legitimate votes by Americans fed up with would be dictator Obama. The ballot box is going to be a Potemkin village facade to legitimize the regime, much like Hugo Chavez's takeover of Venezuela.

23 posted on 07/12/2012 2:01:42 AM PDT by Truth29
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To: TexasRedeye
Wonder how she got here - walk?

I don't think she had the time to walk.

24 posted on 07/12/2012 2:28:04 AM PDT by Right Wing Assault (Dick Obama is more inexperienced now than he was before he was elected.)
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To: smokingfrog

What a CROC!!! “Voter Fraud....it’s for the children”! She went from TEXAS to DC and she can’t go across town to get an ID?? PUHLEEZE!!! They really do think everyone is stupid.


25 posted on 07/12/2012 2:53:06 AM PDT by Ann Archy ( ABORTION...the HUMAN Sacrifice to the god of Convenience.)
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To: smokingfrog

Her father never takes vacation time? She has no friends with cars?

Some states do require newly permitted teens to be added to the parents’ policy but Texas wasn’t listed as one of them in an article at http://www.foxbusiness.com/personal-finance/2011/05/18/dont-hide-teen-driver-insurance-company/#ixzz20Otw7NE9


26 posted on 07/12/2012 2:56:34 AM PDT by skr (May God confound the enemy)
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To: smokingfrog

This has to go on a list of one of the more stupid reasons why I can’t get voter ID........


27 posted on 07/12/2012 3:08:01 AM PDT by blueyon (The U. S. Constitution - read it and weep)
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To: skr
16 Billion Dollar in Unemployment fraud.

Is there anyone in DC smart enough to ask her if she plans on working? or just be a be a in house person on welfare the rest of her life?

If so how is she going to get her benefits with no ID

How did she get to DC should end any other questions.

28 posted on 07/12/2012 3:08:47 AM PDT by scooby321 (h tones)
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To: smokingfrog

What a bunch of BS! How does she get to the polls to vote if she’s that bad off for transportation?


29 posted on 07/12/2012 3:09:09 AM PDT by MagnoliaB
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To: smokingfrog

Lol, why should voter registration even matter to this family? They’re so busy 24/7, they’d never have time to get to a polling place to vote.

The fact that nonsense like this is even given a hearing illustrates how far off course this country has become in all too many ways.


30 posted on 07/12/2012 4:05:01 AM PDT by Will88
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To: smokingfrog
People need to see how long it takes her to get a car after she gets back home.
And wonder how there was such a sudden increase in her available funds for that purchase.
31 posted on 07/12/2012 4:49:54 AM PDT by philman_36 (Pride breakfasted with plenty, dined with poverty, and supped with infamy. Benjamin Franklin)
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To: smokingfrog
TEXAS DEPT OF PUBLIC SAFETY

Apply for an Identification Card

Requirements for All Applicants

All first time applicants for a Texas identification card must:

1. Apply in person at a Texas Driver License office.
2. Present documents that verify your Identity. Different documents are required if you are a U.S. citizen or have Lawful Presence. This may require you to present one or more documents at the driver license office. All information on each document you present must match. Additional documentation may be required to verify conflicting information, incomplete names and date of birth.
3. Present proof of your Texas residency.
4. Complete the application (PDF). You may type your information on the form, print it, and bring it with you to the office. If you don’t have a printer, the form is also available at the office.
5. Consent to be photographed, fingerprinted, and provide your signature at the time of application.
6. Pay the required fee with a credit card, cash, money order, or a non-temporary check.

There is no age restriction for an identification card.

32 posted on 07/12/2012 5:05:00 AM PDT by Conservative Vermont Vet
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To: smokingfrog
Getting a driver's license also is not an option, she said, because it would mean she and her sister would be added to her family's car insurance, a costly move.

What a bunch of BOVINE EXCREMENT!

No doubt she was coached as to what to say, but she is either uninformed or (I would wager) being DECEITFUL.

SEE: My Post #32: ANYONE in Texas can get a Photo ID, in lieu of a drivers license....and;

While I don't know anything about the Auto Insurance Companies who operate in Texas (or are allowed to sell their policies therein) the mere "Fact" that someone in [a] family has a "drivers license" does NOT automatically assume that said person will be driving whatever vehicles are registered to that family; one is ASKED when taking out a policy WHO(m) will be driving and rates are set accordingly.

So much prevarication, dissembling and dishonesty, but that is to be excepted from ALL Leftists/Libs/Socialists/Commies/Demo-Rats (same-o same-of) and SOP

33 posted on 07/12/2012 5:14:59 AM PDT by Conservative Vermont Vet
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To: AZLiberty
How did she get through TSA without a drivers license?

A very good question. How DID she get from Texas to DC without ID, given that both Amtrak and air transport both require ID? Did she come by private plane?

Her story about her parents being "too busy" also rings false. She's over 18, a legal adult. She does not need her parents to come with her, she just needs to somehow get to DMV (bus, cab, or a friend with a car).

34 posted on 07/12/2012 5:31:17 AM PDT by PapaBear3625 (If I can't be persuasive, I at least hope to be fun.)
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To: smokingfrog
Good question regarding how she got to DC to testify.

I wonder why the “geniuses” in DC listening to her testimony didn't bother to ask.

35 posted on 07/12/2012 5:40:28 AM PDT by airborne (Paratroopers! Good to the last drop!)
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To: pepsionice
It’s a pretty sad and sorrowful tale

....yeah, the tale of an 18-year-old kid who can't figure out how to get to the local DMV for an ID, but can get all the way across the country to testify in front of a bunch of DC Bureaucrats.

36 posted on 07/12/2012 5:49:16 AM PDT by wbill
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To: smokingfrog

How did she pass throught airport security, or was she flown to dc in a government plane? I noticed the last name, part of nobama’s way of stacking the deck in his favor.


37 posted on 07/12/2012 6:10:08 AM PDT by tillacum
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To: smokingfrog

What a huge steaming COS.


38 posted on 07/12/2012 6:43:18 AM PDT by Sequoyah101 (Half the people are below average, they voted for oblabla.)
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Here’s the rundown on the witnesses the parties have said they expect to call in the trial on preclearace of Texas’ mandatory photo ID law (SB 14):

Justice Department and Defendant-Intervenors (in order to be called):

  • State Rep. Trey Martinez Fischer
  • State Rep. Rafael Anchia
  • State Sen. Carlos Uresti (by video deposition)
  • Professor Morgan Kousser
  • Professor Henry Flores
  • Lydia Camarillo
  • Victoria Rodriguez
  • State Sen. Rodney Ellis
  • Randall ‘Buck’ Wood
  • Rev. Peter Johnson
  • Dr. David Marker
  • State Sen. Wendy Davis
  • Dr. Allan Lichtman
  • Professor Stephen Ansolabehere

State of Texas:

  • State Rep. Jose Aliseda
  • Brian Ingram
  • Forrest Mitchell
  • State Rep. Aaron Peña
  • Professor Thomas Sager
  • Professor Doran Shaw
  • State Sen. Tommy Williams

The witness lists of DOJ and the Defendant-Intervenors can be found here, hereand here.  The State of Texas’ witness list can be found here.


39 posted on 07/12/2012 6:46:52 AM PDT by smokingfrog ( sleep with one eye open (<o> ---)
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To: smokingfrog

How was she planning on getting to the polls to vote?


40 posted on 07/12/2012 6:49:22 AM PDT by tacticalogic ("Oh, bother!" said Pooh, as he chambered his last round.)
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To: firedawg76; shibumi; TexasRedeye; Conservative Vermont Vet
just getting a driver’s license does not automatically put you on anyone’s insurance policy unless Texas has some law requiring it that I’m unaware of.

I don't know if it's due to Texas law or insurance company policy, but the insurance company presumes that if a family member with a driver's license is living full-time in the home, they have access to any vehicles in the household. It might be their specific insurance company with that policy.

I encountered this with our adult daughter, and it boosted our insurance significantly until she moved to her own place and got her own insurance policy.

41 posted on 07/12/2012 7:10:06 AM PDT by justlurking (The only remedy for a bad guy with a gun is a good WOMAN (Sgt. Kimberly Munley) with a gun)
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To: AZLiberty; PapaBear3625; airborne; tillacum
How did she get through TSA without a drivers license?

I think that's an interesting question. But, the TSA doesn't require an ID to fly:

We understand passengers occasionally arrive at the airport without an ID, due to lost items or inadvertently leaving them at home. Not having an ID, does not necessarily mean a passenger won’t be allowed to fly. If passengers are willing to provide additional information, we have other means of substantiating someone’s identity, like using publicly available databases.

I'm guessing that she was escorted to DC by the opponents of this law, and the DoJ gave her what she needed to get past the TSA checkpoint.

42 posted on 07/12/2012 7:16:42 AM PDT by justlurking (The only remedy for a bad guy with a gun is a good WOMAN (Sgt. Kimberly Munley) with a gun)
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To: smokingfrog

Our entire election process must remain unregulated and unsecure, because mommy won’t help some adult dingbat chick in Texas get across town to fill out some paperwork.


43 posted on 07/12/2012 7:33:50 AM PDT by dead (I've got my eye out for Mullah Omar.)
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To: smokingfrog
From the TX DMV site

Renewing an ID Card

The fee for a Texas ID card is $16 for those under 60; this card expires every six years. In most cases, you may renew your ID card online for an additional $1 service charge. Those 60 and over get a break―an ID card costs only $6 and never needs to be renewed.

44 posted on 07/12/2012 7:58:28 AM PDT by Arrowhead1952 (It's time to take out the trash in DC.)
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To: justlurking
It might be their specific insurance company with that policy.

Not in Texas. liability insurance is not required by law just because you have a license. Only if you are actually behind the wheel of a moving vehicle is insurance required. Added: I wonder if her father has insurance or even a valid DL. You have to, according to Texas law, have to prove you are a citizen or have legal U.S. residence, to get a Texas DL.

45 posted on 07/12/2012 8:04:04 AM PDT by TexasRedeye
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To: smokingfrog

1 no DL?

2 she is 18 and an adult

3 she can still vote via provisional ballot

this is a complete scam and I hope the lawyer points it out. All they have is anecdotes.

A birth cert can be faked. Student ID? meaningless.


46 posted on 07/12/2012 8:06:04 AM PDT by longtermmemmory (VOTE! http://www.senate.gov and http://www.house.gov)
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To: TexasRedeye
Not in Texas. liability insurance is not required by law just because you have a license. Only if you are actually behind the wheel of a moving vehicle is insurance required.

Sorry, I should have added: I am in Texas. And, I've experienced this exact issue: family members with a driver's in the same household are presumed to have access to the vehicles.

I don't know if it was required by law, or was our insurance company's policy. But, since it was a temporary situation, I didn't pursue it.

47 posted on 07/12/2012 8:09:16 AM PDT by justlurking (The only remedy for a bad guy with a gun is a good WOMAN (Sgt. Kimberly Munley) with a gun)
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To: justlurking
I don't know if it was required by law, or was our insurance company's policy.

It was your insurance company's policy - not Texas law.

48 posted on 07/12/2012 12:08:12 PM PDT by TexasRedeye
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To: justlurking

Sorry, I should have added: I am in Texas. And, I’ve experienced this exact issue: family members with a driver’s in the same household are presumed to have access to the vehicles.


I am in Texas also and the same thing happened to me.

I called other companies to try and get a policy without my 18 year old son but everyone I called gave me higher prices because of my 18 year old son.


49 posted on 07/12/2012 12:25:28 PM PDT by freedommom
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To: smokingfrog
At 18, this girl is now an emancipated adult. Her parents are no longer liable for her actions like they were when she was a minor.

She needs to stop blaming her parents and start taking accountability for her own life.

-PJ

50 posted on 07/12/2012 12:35:28 PM PDT by Political Junkie Too (If you can vote for President, then your children can run for President.)
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