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The Real Class Warfare is Baby Boomers Vs. Younger Americans
Reason Magazine ^ | 11 July 12 | Nick Gillespie

Posted on 07/12/2012 6:00:48 AM PDT by RKV

Hey kids, wake up! Stop playing your X-Box while listening to your Facebooks on the iPod and wearing your iPad with the cap turned backwards with the droopy pants and the bikini underwear listening to Snoopy Poopy Poop Dogg and the Enema Man and all that!

Take a break from getting yet another tattoo on your ass bone or your nipples pierced already! And STFU about the 1 Percent vs. the 99 Percent!

You're not getting screwed by billionaires and plutocrats. You're getting screwed by Mom and Dad.

(Excerpt) Read more at reason.com ...


TOPICS: Culture/Society; Government
KEYWORDS: babyboomers; classwarfare; generationy; security; social; theft
And let's not forget it was the "Greatest Generation" that gave us socialism security. It's morally wrong to force people to pay for others retirement, food or medicine. Charity is a virtue. Extortion (which is what taxes are) is not. The federal government has no enumerated power to enact socialism security or anything like it (and the "general welfare" clause means what Madison meant it to say when he wrote it [i.e. the sum of the enumerated powers] and provides no authorization for socialism security, medicare etc.).

We should end social security. It's generational theft. Sell federal lands to pay off those who contributed and let younger Americans keep what they earn so they can pay for their own old age.

1 posted on 07/12/2012 6:00:54 AM PDT by RKV
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To: RKV

the whole system is a house of cards. no one is getting ahead. there are just simplly no jobs.


2 posted on 07/12/2012 6:02:58 AM PDT by television is just wrong (Heidi Davenport)
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To: RKV

Please see also http://www.urban.org/UploadedPDF/social-security-medicare-benefits-over-lifetime.pdf

Socialism security provided the cash that allowed government to grow beyond all constitutional bounds. Now the bill is coming due and the politicians we elected spent all the money. The piggy bank is empty for the older Boomers. Of course that was the idea. Wealth was to be transferred from those with shorter life spans to those with longer life spans. Let me identify those groups - from Black men to White women. This is statistically true and irrefutable so don’t bother trying.


3 posted on 07/12/2012 6:07:07 AM PDT by RKV (He who has the guns makes the rules)
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To: RKV

Isn’t it just too bad that you can’t take the issue up with Democrat FDR, because he’s responsible.

P.S. I’m a white woman who has paid in to SS but will never be able to draw it out.


4 posted on 07/12/2012 6:12:09 AM PDT by Clara Lou
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To: RKV

The only time I’ll watch Bill Maher is when Nick Gillespie appears as a guest. Nick does such a good job of showing every flaw of Maher’s mindset, and never lets up.


5 posted on 07/12/2012 6:12:43 AM PDT by Night Hides Not (My dream ticket for 2012 is John Galt & Dagny Taggart!)
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To: television is just wrong

Expel illegal aliens and end H1B visas. Then there are jobs Americans will do. End welfare and lower the minimum wage while we’re at it. The federal government has no enumerated power to provide food stamps or other welfare. And no power to set wages. Close the borders. Rein in the EPA. We’ll have enough jobs here in the US soon enough.


6 posted on 07/12/2012 6:13:00 AM PDT by RKV (He who has the guns makes the rules)
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To: Clara Lou

Quit making excuses. We have choices. Stopping generational theft is a choice we can make, and we can even pay off the folks like you and I who paid in at a reasonable rate if we sell federal land, mineral rights, etc.


7 posted on 07/12/2012 6:15:08 AM PDT by RKV (He who has the guns makes the rules)
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To: Night Hides Not

I am not much of a fan of Maher, but it would be worth it to watch Nick eviscerate him.


8 posted on 07/12/2012 6:16:37 AM PDT by RKV (He who has the guns makes the rules)
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To: RKV
It's well worth it. Maher increases the volume in direct proportion to the rhetorical punches laid on him by Nick.

It's a sight to behold...lol!

9 posted on 07/12/2012 6:21:59 AM PDT by Night Hides Not (My dream ticket for 2012 is John Galt & Dagny Taggart!)
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To: RKV

The generation before the greatest is who gave us Social Security. The Great Society, however, was their baby.


10 posted on 07/12/2012 6:23:26 AM PDT by steve8714 (Allen West or Marco Rubio; nobody else makes any sense to me at all.)
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To: RKV

Sadly, the people who created this mess are dead and gone. We can go to the graveyard and scream at their graves but it won’t do a damn bit of good. Everyone has to take on part of this burden to stop this Ponzi Scheme. It will financially crush our children.


11 posted on 07/12/2012 6:29:14 AM PDT by Opinionated Blowhard ("When the people find they can vote themselves money, that will herald the end of the republic.")
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To: steve8714

Tom Brokaw who coined the term has a different start date than you do - his is 1901. Too young to be in WW1. YMMV.


12 posted on 07/12/2012 6:30:05 AM PDT by RKV (He who has the guns makes the rules)
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To: Opinionated Blowhard

Which is why we sell assets - federal land and end the program.


13 posted on 07/12/2012 6:31:21 AM PDT by RKV (He who has the guns makes the rules)
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To: RKV

bookmarked for later


14 posted on 07/12/2012 6:31:49 AM PDT by babygene (Figures don't lie, but liars can figure...)
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To: RKV

And I hate to break it to you Millenials, but there are a whole helluva lot more of us than there are of you.

Be afraid. Be very afraid.


15 posted on 07/12/2012 6:32:06 AM PDT by Buckeye McFrog
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To: Buckeye McFrog

Who’s a millennial? Not me. And yep. Majoritarian tyranny is bad.


16 posted on 07/12/2012 6:38:19 AM PDT by RKV (He who has the guns makes the rules)
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To: RKV
"We got to get ourselves back to the garden." Flash forward four or five decades, a couple of hundred pounds, the odd organ transplant, random arrests and jail stints, and the only garden David Crosby is getting back to is the Olive Garden with its unlimited pasta bowls and breadsticks.

LOL!

17 posted on 07/12/2012 6:44:49 AM PDT by Rummyfan (Iraq: it's not about Iraq anymore, it's about the USA!)
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To: RKV

You mean fund the payoffs to your level of the Ponzi scheme with what assets the federal government has?


18 posted on 07/12/2012 6:47:23 AM PDT by 9YearLurker
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To: RKV

Not so much warfare as a good back alley mugging.


19 posted on 07/12/2012 6:47:34 AM PDT by blueunicorn6 ("A crack shot and a good dancer")
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To: RKV

This particular boomer - who is still paying the max into the system - knew that this was a Ponzi scheme long ago. And it should be clear to anyone who actually went to a creditable high school (although those seem to be rarer than an honest politician now).

If one wants a real laugh, go back and read all the accusations Republicans made about SS during its introduction. Then read the Democrat’s responses.

Each Democrat response is now a fully documented LIE.
Each Republican accusation has been fully proven.

Face it, math is NOT a friend of liberals. It can never be.


20 posted on 07/12/2012 6:48:28 AM PDT by Da Coyote
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To: Opinionated Blowhard
It will financially crush our children.

I try to tell my kids that the money the State spends has to be paid back, and that any significant increase in spending reduces their future prosperity - since wealth represents freedom they are being enslaved.

They hear but it seems difficult for them to comprehend the seriousness of the situation.

21 posted on 07/12/2012 6:53:35 AM PDT by skeeter
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To: Da Coyote
Each Democrat response is now a fully documented LIE.

Each Republican accusation has been fully proven.

Same is true of Uncle Teddy's 1965 Immigration Reform Act.

Liberal Democrat politicians are spawn from hell and have been for decades.

22 posted on 07/12/2012 6:57:58 AM PDT by skeeter
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To: RKV

I agree entirely, except that it was mainly the parents and the grandparents of the men who fought in WWII who were responsible for the New Deal. Of course, the vets tended to follow in their parents footsteps.


23 posted on 07/12/2012 6:58:43 AM PDT by achilles2000 ("I'll agree to save the whales as long as we can deport the liberals")
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To: RKV

The transfers are more complicated (SS only): black to white, men to women, lower intelligence to higher intelligence, black to hispanic, indians to everyone, less affluent to more affluent, whites to east asians, etc.

The entire thing needs to stop now.


24 posted on 07/12/2012 7:03:13 AM PDT by achilles2000 ("I'll agree to save the whales as long as we can deport the liberals")
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To: 9YearLurker

I put money in. Against my will. I should be compensated. It’s that simple.


25 posted on 07/12/2012 7:25:41 AM PDT by RKV (He who has the guns makes the rules)
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To: RKV

We’ve all put money in against our will. You are already in line to get far more out than you put in—it’s the younger participants who are screwed.


26 posted on 07/12/2012 7:27:41 AM PDT by 9YearLurker
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To: RKV
"So kiddos, you're getting screwed by old people who expect you to maintain a system that benefits them at your expense, regardless of their needs or yours."

Narcissism and entitlement run deep with this group.

Sometimes I wonder if one of the reasons their greed is so blatant now is the fear instilled by the Dems.

27 posted on 07/12/2012 7:31:18 AM PDT by moehoward
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To: RKV

I’m tellin’ ya, we Boomers have been watching somebody in our family living off of Social Security since we were all knee-high to a grasshopper. And upwards of 80% are going to day “Now it’s my turn, and you are damned well gonna make good on this!”


28 posted on 07/12/2012 7:31:57 AM PDT by Buckeye McFrog
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To: 9YearLurker

I don’t want any more than what I put in. I don;t want socialism security to exist. OK? I want those who are now getting paid to stop getting paid if they have taken more than they have put in. And yep that will be hard for some folks. There is a theft in progress. It should stop. Now.


29 posted on 07/12/2012 7:35:07 AM PDT by RKV (He who has the guns makes the rules)
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To: Buckeye McFrog

Every time I hear my father say something like your statement, I tell him he’s screwing over me and his grandson. Then, he shuts his mouth or says ‘well, I’m about to die anyway.’


30 posted on 07/12/2012 7:38:40 AM PDT by AlmaKing
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To: RKV

>> Sell federal lands to pay off those who contributed and let younger Americans keep what they earn so they can pay for their own old age.

Works for me. Hey, at least you have a plan instead of just bitching about it.


31 posted on 07/12/2012 7:40:30 AM PDT by Nervous Tick (Trust in God, but row away from the rocks!)
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To: RKV

I agree, to promote the general welfare of the people is simply to not tie the hands of the people who are bringing in the food.

But it is a stand off, first was the socialist social security program to keep the old folks from being in the hair of the younger people.

But by the time the younger generation got old enough to start thinking about their retirement they realized that their off spring was too stupid and lazy to possibly take care of them selves.

If we don,t get the government involved in taking care of the young then our social security checks will go to take care of these little monsters who spend most of the day going around eating expensive junk food and kicking their hundreds or thousands of dollars worth of toys all over the yard.

By the time a child gets 5 years old they have more toys than most 75 year olds has had all of their life.

Encourage the young girls to not get married because we might have a son in law to take care of, after all we know that the way we have raised her that she can not get a real man to take charge because she is too stupid, also to mention we did not raise our boys to be real men.

But if she can get a bastard child then the government will take care of her and she will be the little independent girl you can be proud of, and she will no longer be our responsibility.

Steal from other tax payers to send our kids to college so that they can know how to earn a big income by being employed by the government, because they are too worthless to do any real work for a private company.

We have made a mess of this nation from one end to the other
because we do not do unto others as we would have them do unto us, what we do is to holler about it and force others to do it.

I think it will get much worse, i believe we will see what real hard times are.

I am really proud of the young people who believe in working and providing for them selves.


32 posted on 07/12/2012 7:42:38 AM PDT by ravenwolf
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To: RKV

Yeah, I hear ya—and understand.

The sorry truth is that what people were ‘paying into the system’ was taxes, pure and simple.

Just like Obamacare ‘penalties’ are taxes too.


33 posted on 07/12/2012 7:42:50 AM PDT by 9YearLurker
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To: achilles2000

I see you’ve taken to liberal group-rights think. No more individuals.


34 posted on 07/12/2012 7:53:07 AM PDT by 9YearLurker
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To: 9YearLurker

>> The sorry truth is that what people were ‘paying into the system’ was taxes, pure and simple.

You mean that green-’n-white bifold brochure the SS sends me every year, detailing my “contributions” and future expected “payout”, is a LIE?

The GOVERNMENT would lie to me?

Man, that’s harsh. And unexpected. Now I’m all depressed and stuff. :-(


35 posted on 07/12/2012 7:57:26 AM PDT by Nervous Tick (Trust in God, but row away from the rocks!)
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To: Nervous Tick

Ha ha—but they almost had you going for a minute there, didn’t they?


36 posted on 07/12/2012 8:06:09 AM PDT by 9YearLurker
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To: 9YearLurker

>> Ha ha—but they almost had you going for a minute there, didn’t they?

Hook, line, and sinker! Hey, the SS brochure even LOOKS like the typical 401(k) brochure... right down to the nice tables of impressive looking numbers that resemble “information”, and yet completely obfuscate your real rate of return. :-)


37 posted on 07/12/2012 8:15:14 AM PDT by Nervous Tick (Trust in God, but row away from the rocks!)
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To: RKV

End it, just give me back what I’ve paid in for the last
36 years. I don’t care about interest or whatever, just
what I’ve paid in. And as a farmer I’ve had the privilege
of paying both halves.


38 posted on 07/12/2012 8:15:44 AM PDT by kawhill (kawhill)
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To: RKV

Speaking in practical terms, Boomers must lower their expectations to real levels. This means not getting the quality of exorbitantly priced medical care that Greatest Generation are now getting, but it doesn’t mean not getting any at all.

This means market forces and what is called “opportunity costs” in economics.

To start with, nobody can afford insurance for routine medical care. Not insurance companies and not the government. But on the plus side, if it is all “out of pocket”, it can be as much as 50% less expensive, because of the much lower overhead.

Likewise, malpractice must be limited to actual damages for malpractice, not just bad luck. Also driving down the price of medical care.

Catastrophic care still needs to be insured, but it is so unprofitable, that it almost has to be by the government, with that insurance “lock boxed” from day 1 in private accounts.

Most likely the vast majority of nursing home care will have to be outsourced to medical “enclaves” built just south of the border. This will take advantage of Mexico’s better legal environment, much lower caregiver to patient ratio, and a lot more non-medical labor support. Quality care but at a much lower price.

A lot of self-inflicted conditions will have to be “out of the system”. Smokers, alcoholics and drug abusers, and the extremely obese will have to take responsibility for their self abuse, and not be given more than palliative care for severe pulmonary conditions, destroyed livers, and the numerous health complaints associated with extreme obesity.

If they want to change and be treated, they need to do so at least a decade before they need to be treated. Their choice.

However, oddly enough, euthanasia does not figure in to this equation, because it is so remarkably easy to murder and call it euthanasia. If they want to commit suicide, they must do so on their own.


39 posted on 07/12/2012 8:31:42 AM PDT by yefragetuwrabrumuy
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To: yefragetuwrabrumuy

So we’re gonna start shipping granny out to Mexico?!?!?!?!


40 posted on 07/12/2012 8:49:21 AM PDT by 9YearLurker
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To: RKV
...technically, those born between 1946 and 1964 but or all intents and purposes folks 55 years and older - focused on how stupid old people were ..

Ummmm, it was "don't trust anyone over 30", not 'we resent our elders'...

And the oldest boomer is 66... Above that was the 'other generation'. Boomers weren't in class-warfare with those over thirty - we didn't want their money or what they had worked for - we just didn't 'get' their ideas. This guy needs to get his facts straight.

41 posted on 07/12/2012 9:15:13 AM PDT by GOPJ (Marion Berry: 'If you take out the killings, Washington actually has a very very low crime rate')
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To: RKV
...technically, those born between 1946 and 1964 but or all intents and purposes folks 55 years and older - focused on how stupid old people were ..

Ummmm, it was "don't trust anyone over 30", not 'we resent our elders'...

And the oldest boomer is 66... Above that was the 'other generation'. Boomers weren't in class-warfare with those over thirty - we didn't want their money or what they had worked for - we just didn't 'get' their ideas. Nick Gillespie needs to get his facts straight.

42 posted on 07/12/2012 9:16:26 AM PDT by GOPJ (Marion Berry: 'If you take out the killings, Washington actually has a very very low crime rate')
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To: 9YearLurker

Yes and no. Technically in Mexican territory, but contiguous with the US border, and under special rules.

One concept of such medical enclaves is that they are fenced communities, built and operated by American companies, but with most staff being Mexicans, with some specialist US doctors.

The North entrance leads to the US crossing, and authorized American citizens can easily go back and forth across that border, which is not for non-US nationals. The South entrance to the enclave is just for authorized Mexicans to easily go in and out.

The enclave itself has hospitals, nursing homes, housing facilities, support facilities, concessions, etc.

Mexico benefits by earning a whole lot of money in the deal, and the Americans by saving a whole lot of money.

North of the border entrance, there is a small airport and rail terminal, as well as a highway. This will make supplies available as the enclave much easier to visit by authorized Americans.

To put it all in perspective, nursing homes in the US are now so expensive that ambulatory elderly people are instead living on cruise ships for about the same price, and getting more and better care as well.


43 posted on 07/12/2012 11:13:14 AM PDT by yefragetuwrabrumuy
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To: yefragetuwrabrumuy

I can’t help but think that is a dreadful, inhuman solution.


44 posted on 07/12/2012 11:21:43 AM PDT by 9YearLurker
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To: 9YearLurker

If you want dreadful and inhuman, check out what we have now.

Actually, I will advise against it. From my own experience, my first visit to such a place, one of the “better” ones, was to drop off some small items for an older woman neighbor.

Very institutional, with painted brick walls, its corridors full of old widow women side by side on wheelchairs, staring blankly into space, or the painted brick wall in front of them, or asleep. An absence of stimulation, a feeding ground for dementia.

A few new ones, either completely confused or upset, wanting desperately to go home.

At that point I resolved that if I was ever in such a situation, that I would bug out to rural Mexico, where I could have a place to stay and people to take care of me, and when I died I would be given a nice funeral and at least someone would miss me. And be buried in an unmarked grave against some nosy American government employee who couldn’t close my dossier until he had proof that I was dead.


45 posted on 07/12/2012 12:03:37 PM PDT by yefragetuwrabrumuy
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To: yefragetuwrabrumuy

An individual choosing to ‘post-retire’ in a lower-cost location, I could understand.

But the US shipping its indigent elderly to a third-world holding pen until death sounds absolutely horrid.


46 posted on 07/12/2012 2:23:09 PM PDT by 9YearLurker
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To: 9YearLurker

Lots of Americans already go to Mexico for health care reasons. Getting the same surgery from competent surgeons for $10-30,000 less is very appealing to a lot of people. Often American surgeons will go there just to perform surgeries without having to carry millions of dollars in malpractice insurance.

Add to that there are already a bunch of major retirement communities there for Americans, some specialize just for Canadians. Though estimates of how many Americans live there full time are inflated, about 125,000 is a reasonable estimate.

Unless you specifically choose a place that is rural or rustic, a lot of these American expat communities are very modern and comfortable, with lots of swimming pools, golf courses, green landscaping, etc.

Bottom line, Mexico isn’t the Moon, and while there is a lot of poverty in Mexico, if you don’t want to revel in it you don’t have to.


47 posted on 07/12/2012 4:47:56 PM PDT by yefragetuwrabrumuy
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