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Women in the infantry? Forget about it, says female Marine officer
MSNBC ^ | July 12, 2012 | Jeff Black

Posted on 07/12/2012 11:48:27 AM PDT by QT3.14

Come September, a small group of young female Marines will break through one of the last bastions of macho in the U.S. military. They’ll be the first class of female officers to take part in the grueling Infantry Officer Course in Quantico, Va., a test of both physical fitness and mental will that prepares the corps’ future platoon leaders.

All of these women will be volunteers, and their training will be closely watched. The new coed class has sparked suggestions that such training could lead to integrating women in the Marine infantry, with some saying they “would make excellent grunts.”

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TOPICS: Culture/Society; Foreign Affairs
KEYWORDS: diversity; military; women
As our military is being feminized and emasculated, the U.S. Navy has decided urinals are going to be eliminated on our aircraft carriers per CNN.
1 posted on 07/12/2012 11:48:33 AM PDT by QT3.14
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To: QT3.14

Marinettes? Gruntrixes?


2 posted on 07/12/2012 11:59:50 AM PDT by HiTech RedNeck (let me ABOs run loose, lew)
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To: HiTech RedNeck

I was a tanker in the Army. We’d call them “Crunchettes” [since we called the 11 Bravos “Crunchies”].


3 posted on 07/12/2012 12:04:50 PM PDT by PzLdr ("The Emperor is not as forgiving as I am" - Darth Vader)
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To: QT3.14

No. No! NOOOOOOO!!!!

It’s bad ENOUGH that bootcamp in the regular army has been weakened and feminized- the infantry is the LAST place where at least some of the requirements are still stringent- although from what I hear even that is being made more politically correct.

Liberals have slowly yet utterly changed our cultural ideas of what it means to be a man (or a woman, for that matter).

And they did it without ever firing a shot.


4 posted on 07/12/2012 12:07:11 PM PDT by SE Mom (Proud mom of an Iraq war combat vet)
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To: SE Mom

I can’t wait to get out of this sh*tty place.


5 posted on 07/12/2012 12:11:04 PM PDT by steve86 (Acerbic by nature not nurture TM)
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To: SE Mom
In our PC world the standards are lowered for the gals while at the same time
creating the illusion we are equally capable.
6 posted on 07/12/2012 12:11:36 PM PDT by QT3.14 (USA: Likely only country in history with laws and policies that ensure self-destruction!)
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To: QT3.14

IF (Big IF) this happens, it will be as a result of dumbing down the criteria for the gals. Men will continue to meet their current levels - the chicks will have lower standards.

Or - even worse - the standards for becoming a Marine will be so substandard that any he/she/it can qualify.


7 posted on 07/12/2012 12:14:57 PM PDT by Responsibility2nd (NO LIBS. This Means Liberals and (L)libertarians! Same Thing. NO LIBS!!)
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To: PzLdr

Actually, gruntrices. (Gruntrix is the singular.)


8 posted on 07/12/2012 12:21:04 PM PDT by HiTech RedNeck (let me ABOs run loose, lew)
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To: Responsibility2nd

It would be like Marines with cheerleading squad. I’m not sure the guys would object too strenuously to that. Just issue camo pom-poms to the gruntrices.


9 posted on 07/12/2012 12:24:32 PM PDT by HiTech RedNeck (let me ABOs run loose, lew)
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To: QT3.14

This ex-squid is shaking his head in disbelief. Well, the option of ‘over the side’ still remains viable.


10 posted on 07/12/2012 12:27:38 PM PDT by Joe Brower (Sheep have three speeds: "graze", "stampede" and "cower".)
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To: QT3.14
While Capt Petronio freely admits ...... there's no mention if any of these problems had a negative effect on mission success or led to another Marine getting killed.
Women do NOT belong in combat. Period.
11 posted on 07/12/2012 12:29:20 PM PDT by oh8eleven (RVN '67-'68)
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To: HiTech RedNeck

Gruntrix/Gruntrices

Good to know that someone is still upholding the rules of Latin grammar.


12 posted on 07/12/2012 12:30:58 PM PDT by Belteshazzar (We are not justified by our works but by faith - De Jacob et vita beata 2 +Ambrose of Milan)
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To: oh8eleven

Although I must say Rush Limbaugh might have been onto something:

Let certain women into the military and have the certain kinds of women be housed at the same place, the same time over a period of time and therefore we would have a combat-ready group of women on PMS whenever we needed ‘em, because of the miraculousness of the synchronized menstrual cycle. Now, the All-American First Cavalry Amazon Battalion consisted of feminazis, banshees, Amazons who wanted to go into war and so forth — and we theorized, “If you want to get Noriega out of there,” ‘cause did the rock music work or was it just an irritant? I forget which. It might have worked.

But we speculated here, we theorized that Noriega sitting inside the Papal Nuncio and hearing Molly Yard shout, “This is an outrage!” and looking out the window and seeing the All-American First Cavalry Amazon Battalion headed your way, you might give up and immediately surrender.


13 posted on 07/12/2012 12:32:32 PM PDT by dfwgator (FUJR (not you, Jim))
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To: QT3.14

The infantry is more abput humping 100 pound packs in 110 deg. heat than it is firing an M-16.


14 posted on 07/12/2012 12:34:52 PM PDT by central_va ( I won't be reconstructed and I do not give a damn.)
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To: QT3.14

Women are the new men.


15 posted on 07/12/2012 12:37:31 PM PDT by donna (Average American height: (Men 5' 9.6") (Women 5' 4.3") Movies: The reverse!))
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To: oh8eleven

For females, crawling on your back, under barbed-wire, can be extremely problematic.


16 posted on 07/12/2012 12:38:20 PM PDT by UCANSEE2 (Lame and ill-informed post)
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To: UCANSEE2

That’s what Kevlar bras are for, right?


17 posted on 07/12/2012 12:41:05 PM PDT by raccoonnookkeeper (I keep raccoons in a nook.)
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To: QT3.14

Ok ladies, lets gear up.

18 posted on 07/12/2012 12:43:39 PM PDT by central_va ( I won't be reconstructed and I do not give a damn.)
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To: donna
some saying they “would make excellent grunts.”

If you do it right some might even cry out or scream./sarc

19 posted on 07/12/2012 12:43:39 PM PDT by Don Corleone ("Oil the gun..eat the cannoli. Take it to the Mattress.")
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To: central_va

Ladies: aluminum everything


20 posted on 07/12/2012 12:45:47 PM PDT by raccoonnookkeeper (I keep raccoons in a nook.)
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To: Don Corleone

I thought that was the new gay military.


21 posted on 07/12/2012 12:45:59 PM PDT by donna (Average American height: (Men 5' 9.6") (Women 5' 4.3") Movies: The reverse!))
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To: donna
Women are the new men.

Females are the new males.

Real women, and real men, haven't changed a bit, and are ignored.

22 posted on 07/12/2012 12:46:11 PM PDT by Talisker (One who commands, must obey.)
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To: Don Corleone

LOLOL!


23 posted on 07/12/2012 12:46:20 PM PDT by raccoonnookkeeper (I keep raccoons in a nook.)
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To: donna

Every grunt you heard would be absoluuuutely FABulous, Ma’am!


24 posted on 07/12/2012 12:47:34 PM PDT by raccoonnookkeeper (I keep raccoons in a nook.)
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To: raccoonnookkeeper

Looks like fun doesn't it Ladies?

25 posted on 07/12/2012 12:51:45 PM PDT by central_va ( I won't be reconstructed and I do not give a damn.)
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To: dfwgator

Wow! This is a great idea. Go for it.


26 posted on 07/12/2012 12:55:10 PM PDT by willibeaux (de ole Korean War vet age 82)
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To: QT3.14
When I was younger I followed along beside my husband on hunts. We hunted, deer, elk, moose and bear. We climbed hills, mountains and walked across deserts. If he could make it across, I could too.

Do I think that women should be in combat? No, I don't.

27 posted on 07/12/2012 12:59:26 PM PDT by Ditter
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To: QT3.14

Done deal, here’s why: No matter how far short these women fall of the standard that standard will be changed until the women are “up to specification”. This lie will then be voiced, supported and saluted by every single Marine who in any way encounters it, or that marine will be booted.


28 posted on 07/12/2012 1:18:34 PM PDT by TalBlack ( Evil doesn't have a day job.)
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To: All
Remember Jessica Lynch?

Here is something I hung on to and don't remember the source:

The U.S. Army awarded her the Bronze Star for distinguishing herself by heroic or meritorious achievement or service conisting of this:

That's heroic or meritorious achievement or service?

To me this smacks of what is going wrong in our country. Dumbing down everything: Heroes, education, etc.. When the Lynch issue came out, I felt this was nothing but trying to make Lynch a Joan (John) Wayne-type. Sure enough!

The truth came out. A Marine combat veteran in Iraq put it this way:

If Lynch deserves a Bronze Star (which she doesn't), then they (those engaged in daily combat) deserve a Medal of Honor. Lynch got a Bronze Star as a publicity stunt for the Army. She got it because she is a woman. It's just that simple. If she had been a man, no one would've cared. It is sad to see that in today's world of equality, in the 21st Century, such a thing would happen. Lynch is nothing but a publicity doll for the Army and an embarrassment to the United States military and the true heroes of our nation.

Other input:

She will now become the icon, the symbol of everything the radical feminists desire in completely 'feminizing' the U.S. military. They have their woman-in-combat heroine who will pave the way for some woman, sometime, to become the Chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff - or maybe even the Commander in Chief. All for personal gain. All for the exercise of matriarchal political power in America. And all contributing to the reality of the deterioration of combat effectiveness, the loss of the 'warrior ethos' in our armed forces and, most importantly, a degradation of America's ability to defend itself when faced with an opponent other than a Third-World country.

29 posted on 07/12/2012 1:44:28 PM PDT by QT3.14 (We get taxed to fund a Death Panel who decides if we live or die! Mmmm, Mmmm, Mmmmm)
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To: QT3.14

First and foremost, they should let them go through basic training together, no accommodations. Or at least let the females go through “The Crucible” together with the men on an equal basis.


30 posted on 07/12/2012 1:47:04 PM PDT by USMCPOP (Father of LCpl. Karl Linn, KIA 1/26/2005 Al Haqlaniyah, Iraq)
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To: central_va

You sir are correct.

I used to tell my newbies that anyone can shoot a rifle or a machinegun, even drop a mortar. But can they hump that same M-2 or mortar, the ammo and the tripod or base up the 10 or 12 mile mountain trail at a quick march, use a pickax and e-tool to dig in a fortified position when the stop, and pull guard duty that night without falling asleep from exhaustion. All while humping their 60 lb turn out load, their body armor, water, beans and bullets. The average full ruck out was 120 lbs when I was in but we were mech infantry and had to carry more crap that most light units.

I had a Ranger come to my unit and complained that we carried more junk than anything he has ever seen. That was until we went to a gunnery exercise. After he saw a platoon sustain fire exercise he kept saying that he had never seen so much lead going down range at once.

Many newbies out of Infantry basic would struggle but make it past the fist day. And they had been training for 16 weeks. Some would even make it through day two and three of doing the exact same thing. Very rare was the soldier that can do that all week.

Few who have never done the work have even the slightest understanding of the whole body endurance and mental toughness that is required for the Infantry.


31 posted on 07/12/2012 1:59:41 PM PDT by taxcontrol
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To: raccoonnookkeeper
That’s what Kevlar bras are for, right?

Do Kevlar bras have a titanium underwire ?

32 posted on 07/12/2012 2:03:24 PM PDT by UCANSEE2 (Lame and ill-informed post)
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To: QT3.14

If you lower the standards enough those women will fit right in!

But once the men start dying because of that lowered standard it’ll be will be interesting to see if the men will take the blame or if they’ll quietly return to the previous standards.


33 posted on 07/12/2012 2:34:32 PM PDT by Jack Hydrazine (It's the end of the world as we know it and I feel fine!)
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To: taxcontrol

Well, we know what the promise of sex appeal does for Mooselimbs on a suicide mission. Seventy two virgins? Wowee, I’ll gladly blow myself up. So why not gruntette cheer leaders?


34 posted on 07/12/2012 3:05:45 PM PDT by raccoonnookkeeper (I keep raccoons in a nook.)
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To: HiTech RedNeck

Semper Fairies (unless the gays have taken this moniker already).


35 posted on 07/12/2012 3:19:22 PM PDT by Secret Agent Man (I can neither confirm or deny that; even if I could, I couldn't - it's classified.)
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To: QT3.14

Libtards actually believe the hollywood propaganda movies where the waif woman takes out multiple several hundred-pound guys with one kick or hand punch and project this falsehood into real life. Without any of them hardly landing a punch or blow on her at all.

Of course THEY aren’t the ones that are in the service that would find out how blatantly incorrect they are in direct physical combat.


36 posted on 07/12/2012 3:22:11 PM PDT by Secret Agent Man (I can neither confirm or deny that; even if I could, I couldn't - it's classified.)
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To: oh8eleven

Not in combat, period. I agree.

And to be fair I am a guy who always says “Never underestimate a woman as a threat.” Also the “not in combat” comment does not mean I don’t think they can’t deend themselves from criminals, or bad boyfriends, or whatever. Many are capable of learning to shoot well enough for defense, some very well, but military combat is not the same as civilian self-defense of self, or family.

It’s also fair to point out many men are not up to the standards necessary to do all that is needed to do in combat situations. But we’ve not watered down the standards of what’s been required because a certain percentage of guys can’t qualify. They only start bitching and moaning when people OTHER than guys, usually white guys, have large percentages of whatever their pet group is, who can’t pass the qualifications that exist based on what’s needed to get the jobs done.


37 posted on 07/12/2012 3:28:32 PM PDT by Secret Agent Man (I can neither confirm or deny that; even if I could, I couldn't - it's classified.)
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To: HiTech RedNeck
"Marinettes? Gruntrixes? "

Nah...Still BAMs...

38 posted on 07/12/2012 4:18:06 PM PDT by SuperLuminal (Where is another agitator for republicanism like Sam Adams when we need him?)
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To: QT3.14
The Corps has long-since passed the tipping point...A decade or so of co-ed basic training and, this past year, a woman commandant of PI...

In addition, the gays proudly fit in just fine these days. The fox hole has become an entirely new experience...

39 posted on 07/12/2012 4:29:14 PM PDT by SuperLuminal (Where is another agitator for republicanism like Sam Adams when we need him?)
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To: PzLdr

Bite your tongue, missile magnet. ;)


40 posted on 07/12/2012 4:48:00 PM PDT by Molon Labbie (Prep. Now. Live Healthy, take your Shooting Iron daily.)
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To: central_va

i’m a laddie not a lady


41 posted on 07/12/2012 5:23:37 PM PDT by raccoonnookkeeper (I keep raccoons in a nook.)
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To: Belteshazzar

The guys would be Gruntors.


42 posted on 07/12/2012 6:31:50 PM PDT by HiTech RedNeck (let me ABOs run loose, lew)
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To: oh8eleven
Women do not belong in combat! <<<

We haven't evolved far enough yet!!!!

...At 18-25 U cant put a women in a fox hole with me and think i wont notice....

I watched 2 great helicopter pilots seriously fight over a 250 lb Donut Dolly and others squabble over hooch maids...I still have a pic of a woogie3 just after he bit Kris Noel on the ass as she got aboard Christmas morning '68...and to be honest.. i was in a few stupid scrapes myself... Give us guys another 100 yrs.....then maybe. WHB!..(RVN 67-8-9)

43 posted on 07/12/2012 6:59:00 PM PDT by M-cubed
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To: QT3.14
WELL SAID! with one exception...if it had been 1 guy that hung back and stayed in the humv...he would have no medal and would have prolly committed suicide by now..
44 posted on 07/12/2012 7:08:23 PM PDT by M-cubed
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To: QT3.14
I wonder how wussified THIS course of training has become. Look what has happened to BCT.


45 posted on 07/12/2012 7:10:33 PM PDT by ex91B10 (We've tried the Soap Box,the Ballot Box and the Jury Box; ONE BOX LEFT!)
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To: SuperLuminal
The Corps has long-since passed the tipping point...A decade or so of co-ed basic training
You don't have a feckin' clue what you're talking about. The Marine Corps has NEVER had co-ed basic training.
46 posted on 07/13/2012 5:24:29 AM PDT by oh8eleven (RVN '67-'68)
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To: M-cubed

And WHB to U2.


47 posted on 07/13/2012 5:26:28 AM PDT by oh8eleven (RVN '67-'68)
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