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'Everything is happening according to this biblical template'
WND ^ | July 12, 2012 | Unknown

Posted on 07/12/2012 8:57:26 PM PDT by Perseverando

Author of 'Isaiah 9:10 Judgment' interviewed on American Family Radio

It may be scary and it may be eerie, but events in America today are following a biblical pattern of warnings of a coming judgment, according to the author of “The Harbinger,” which has been No. 1 among Christian books since it was released last winter.

In its film form, the message has been No. 1 among all Christian videos since it debuted as “The Isaiah 9:10 Judgment” in March.

Author Jonathan Cahn, in an interview with American Family Radio, explained that the template was created when God issued a series of warnings to the nation of Israel before it was judged, and eventually allowed to fall into captivity.

The same sequence of events now has developed in the United States, starting with the terror attacks of 9/11, he said in the interview with Ed Vitagliano of the American Family Association production.

The events outlined in Isaiah 9:10 concern a limited strike on the nation of Israel by its enemies. Most commentaries say the strike was allowed by God in order to warn Israel to return to its faith.

Instead, the leaders of Israel vowed to rebuild and restore the nation themselves, and come back stronger than before.

It’s the same sequence of events in America today, Cahn said during the interview, to the point that the template outlined “the actual dates and hours of the crash of the American economy.”

“It can be an eerie or a scary thing, but these same nine harbingers of warning of a nation’s judgment are appearing on American soil,” he said.

“It’s happening, extremely precisely and specifically,” he said. He said what has happened in America is that God’s protection was removed for a time – for the time of 9/11.

(Excerpt) Read more at wnd.com ...


TOPICS: Business/Economy; Foreign Affairs; Israel; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: 666; bible; endtimes; harbinger; jonathancahn; lastdays; prophecy

1 posted on 07/12/2012 8:57:34 PM PDT by Perseverando
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To: Perseverando

Sid Roth interview with Johnathan Cahn part 1
http://www.sidroth.org/site/News2?page=NewsArticle&id=10457&news_iv_ctrl=0&abbr=tv_

Sid Roth interview with Johnathan Cahn part 2
http://www.sidroth.org/site/News2?page=NewsArticle&id=10494&news_iv_ctrl=0&abbr=tv_


2 posted on 07/12/2012 9:07:13 PM PDT by Lera (Proverbs 29:2)
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To: Perseverando

And WND just happens to sell the book.


3 posted on 07/12/2012 9:07:43 PM PDT by steve86 (Acerbic by nature not nurture TM)
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To: Perseverando
template outlined “the actual dates and hours of the crash of the American economy.”

Do tell.

4 posted on 07/12/2012 9:10:09 PM PDT by null and void (Day 1268 of our ObamaVacation from reality - Heroes aren't made Frank, they're cornered...)
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To: Perseverando

THIS biblical template? I thought it was THAT biblical template.


5 posted on 07/12/2012 9:13:08 PM PDT by Jeff Chandler (I miss Harriet Miers.)
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To: steve86

Judgement is coming! Time #4,387


6 posted on 07/12/2012 9:18:28 PM PDT by EEGator
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To: Perseverando

This stuff is essentially religious equivalent of porn.

Great way to make money, though; I wonder how much Hal Lindsey raked in through purveying nonsense throughout the years. And it doesn’t even matter if you’re a complete failure! You can still sell and have a career.

Would be harmless, but we need people with a genuine understanding of current events, their causes, and possible futures, and nothing impairs that understanding more than desperately trying to shoe-horn everything into apocalyptic fantasies.


7 posted on 07/12/2012 9:26:45 PM PDT by Strategerist
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To: EEGator

"This time for sure!"


8 posted on 07/12/2012 9:26:56 PM PDT by Jeff Chandler (I miss Harriet Miers.)
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To: Perseverando

America will go down. All nations do.

Naming the date of the collapse is a bit trickier.


9 posted on 07/12/2012 9:38:05 PM PDT by lurk
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To: Strategerist
Don't take their word for it, do your own research; start here:

Btw, the Harbinger was available (not sure if it still is) for $0.99 as a Kindle
download and the author is a Rabbi. I highly recommend that you, and every
Freeper read it!

10 posted on 07/12/2012 10:01:06 PM PDT by Errant
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To: Strategerist
The Kindle edition is now $9.00; check out the reviews: http://www.amazon.com/The-Harbinger-ancient-Americas-ebook/dp/B005IYEQKI/ref=kinw_dp_ke?ie=UTF8&m=AG56TWVU5XWC2
11 posted on 07/12/2012 10:06:49 PM PDT by Errant
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To: Perseverando

The problem I have with this is that there is no prophecy saying this WILL happen, again. Or, that if you do these things God will do the same things he did before. This guy is saying this happened before and what is happening now is really similar so it all applies. I also think that it is a mistake to think that OT Jewish stuff is applicable to Christians. Christ changed it all, the relationship with God, everything. I can see why a Jewish Rabbi would believe it, but without a specific verse or passage that says it applies going forward, I dont think it does.


12 posted on 07/12/2012 10:17:39 PM PDT by 1malumprohibitum
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To: 1malumprohibitum
"that OT Jewish stuff"

Predicted the arrival of the Messiah and also predicts his second coming.

13 posted on 07/12/2012 10:25:17 PM PDT by Errant
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To: Perseverando
­ Uh Oh, Kid A sends message too far into future, but God arrives shortly...777...00010010001...
14 posted on 07/12/2012 10:27:20 PM PDT by IslamE (epiphany)
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To: Errant

That is a given and does nothing to address the question of whether or not the Harbinger is based on prophecy or extrapolation. I think it is one guys take on lining up what happened and what is happening with no biblical basis for the link.

I get it was prophecy that was realized for the Jews in their history. Does it say anywhere that it will repeat or that it remains applicable? I don’t think it does.


15 posted on 07/12/2012 10:31:07 PM PDT by 1malumprohibitum
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To: 1malumprohibitum
The problem I have with this is that there is no prophecy saying this WILL happen, again. Or, that if you do these things God will do the same things he did before. This guy is saying this happened before and what is happening now is really similar so it all applies. I also think that it is a mistake to think that OT Jewish stuff is applicable to Christians. Christ changed it all, the relationship with God, everything. I can see why a Jewish Rabbi would believe it, but without a specific verse or passage that says it applies going forward, I dont think it does.

Well for some reason Paul, from the tribe of Benjamin of the House of Jacob wrote the following: ICorinthians 10:11 Now all these things happened unto them for ensamples (examples): and they are written for our admonition, (warning) uponwhom the ends of the world (age) are come.

Paul begins this chapter talking about Moses.

Christ Himself described what would be the 'signs' events that would take place prior to His return. These events are recorded in Matthew 24, Mark 13, and Luke 21.

I do not 'get' this notion that the God of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob got replaced when He sent Christ to become the one and for all time blood sacrifice. The original plan is still the plan, except now we do not have to let blood to have forgiveness of our sins upon repentance.

16 posted on 07/12/2012 10:33:10 PM PDT by Just mythoughts (Luke 17:32 Remember Lot's wife.)
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To: Errant

If you follow or accept the line of reasoning for the Harbinger, every single OT prophecy remains in effect or can be activated by repeating specific actions. I don’t think it works that way. I have never heard it put forth by anyone. There is a new Covenant that controls.


17 posted on 07/12/2012 10:34:53 PM PDT by 1malumprohibitum
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To: Just mythoughts

Huge difference between an example for learning and saying those things are still in effect and control and have the same outcome. I would never argue that they are not important or worthwhile for study and knowledge.

HE was not replaced but HE did change the rules of the game.


18 posted on 07/12/2012 10:39:11 PM PDT by 1malumprohibitum
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To: Perseverando

Thanks for posting this. Isn’t this theory the subject of Cahn’s book the Harbinger?


19 posted on 07/12/2012 10:50:35 PM PDT by matthew fuller (Election 2012- Epic Fail candidate vs Epic Fail President!)
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To: 1malumprohibitum
Huge difference between an example for learning and saying those things are still in effect and control and have the same outcome. I would never argue that they are not important or worthwhile for study and knowledge.

Well to each his/her own. But for me during my short lifetime this nation has acted very much like the House of Israel did until The LORD divorced her and sent her packing to the Assyrian king.

HE was not replaced but HE did change the rules of the game.

I suppose one could call it changing the 'rules' of the game. I do not consider it a game given that we are talking about the death of ones soul if one rebels.

20 posted on 07/12/2012 10:53:31 PM PDT by Just mythoughts (Luke 17:32 Remember Lot's wife.)
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To: Perseverando

Please excuse my ignorance- I DID read your post, just missed the second sentence... Sorry.


21 posted on 07/12/2012 10:54:19 PM PDT by matthew fuller (Election 2012- Epic Fail candidate vs Epic Fail President!)
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To: 1malumprohibitum
If you follow or accept the line of reasoning for the Harbinger, every single OT prophecy remains in effect or can be activated by repeating specific actions.

NOW you're beginning to understand! :) America is repeating the same mistakes that the nation of Israel made. Therefore we can expect to suffer the same consequences. Not from the hand of God, but from his removal of protection from this nation because of our actions.

You should really read the book. It's a great read if you like a Tom Clancy kind of novel. Unlike a Clancy novel, the basis is all true. You'll be amazed at the similarities between the first downfall of the Nation of Israel and what's going on in America today. You can then go verify what he says in the novel is true.

There is a new Covenant that controls.

Some things changed after the arrival of Christ, mostly to do with his sacrifice for us; but the age old battle between good and evil, the fall of nations, and God having to eventually intervene continues.

While it's hard or even impossible for us to follow/comprehend at times, the end of an age is an epic with many stories.

22 posted on 07/12/2012 11:25:18 PM PDT by Errant
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To: Just mythoughts

If it all to follow according to what happened to Israel, she became a divided nation first with a more righteous Judah being divided from the other 10 tribes. The 10 tribes were subjugated first with finally Judah last. Christians may have to consider moving to less hostile regions of the nation with the notion of forming their own nation.


23 posted on 07/13/2012 12:07:28 AM PDT by mdmathis6 (Not left wing! Not right wing! But....CHRIST WING!)
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To: Perseverando

God didn’t make a covenant with the U.S. Government in 1789, or prior to our Constitution, or any time afterward.

He made a covenant with His people. They live in every land.


24 posted on 07/13/2012 2:41:39 AM PDT by agrarianlady
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To: Errant

Well said Errant!


25 posted on 07/13/2012 4:52:37 AM PDT by 2001convSVT (Going Galt as fast as I can.)
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To: agrarianlady

>>God didn’t make a covenant with the U.S. Government in 1789, or prior to our Constitution, or any time afterward.

He made a covenant with His people. They live in every land.<<

Right on.

Considering that we’re commanded to obey our earthly masters (government) - the idea that God somehow blessed our rebellion against British authority in establishing this nation (that today murders 3,500 babies every day and is arguably one of the most perverse and immoral nations)...is something I’ve been debating in my head for a long time.

I don’t doubt that many of our forefathers were believers. But I’m hard-pressed to find a democracy, or representative republic model of government being approved of in scripture.

The idea of our government is that man can rule himself. The fundamental beliefs of Christianity is that man is nothing without God, and has no inherent ability to self-rule.


26 posted on 07/13/2012 5:23:17 AM PDT by ItsOurTimeNow (Can't afford a ticket back from Suffragette City)
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To: Perseverando

delusional drivel


27 posted on 07/13/2012 5:28:17 AM PDT by bert ((K.E. N.P. N.C. +12 ..... Present failure and impending death yield irrational action))
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To: Perseverando

The question is, “Do you believe in coincidence?” Is what this is? Or does this sinful nation need to repent?


28 posted on 07/13/2012 5:44:11 AM PDT by Library Lady
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To: ItsOurTimeNow
The idea of our government is that man can rule himself. The fundamental beliefs of Christianity is that man is nothing without God, and has no inherent ability to self-rule.

The fundamental gift of Christ is a continued existence beyond our mortal death, for the asking I might add. We all fall victim to evil and the sins of this existence. Jesus sacrificed himself to rescue us from this world, not that we may all be governors.

Render unto Caesar that which is Caesar's, is merely a statement to the difference.

29 posted on 07/13/2012 6:35:40 AM PDT by Errant
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To: bert
"delusional drivel"

Read the book, did you?! This one is different...

30 posted on 07/13/2012 6:37:43 AM PDT by Errant
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To: 2001convSVT
Good to meet a fellow Galtian online! Living in the land of Galt certainly gives one a new perspective on things. I've been at it almost three years now. It's amazing the number of really smart people who go about their lives in a clueless daze.

Take care,

31 posted on 07/13/2012 6:43:37 AM PDT by Errant
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To: mdmathis6
If it all to follow according to what happened to Israel, she became a divided nation first with a more righteous Judah being divided from the other 10 tribes. The 10 tribes were subjugated first with finally Judah last. Christians may have to consider moving to less hostile regions of the nation with the notion of forming their own nation.

I think the 'warning' of what happened to them as Paul writes is like having the 'script' of what is taking place all around this globe. The 'we can do it better' crowd are in some part representative of bondage not unlike that of the children in Egypt. And as with even in the whole of Christianity a review of the mentality of the majority of the newly freed children is demonstrated by their creation of the golden calf. Hmmmm, I find a curious similarity in the mentality of the 'established' GOP selecting a candidate more in the mentality of liberalism than of liberty in individual responsibility.

And there is a great myth begin floated that the established GOP have a handle on the 'system' and IF they can control the 'system' they will save US. (BUT the peoples House was returned to the established GOP and we got a crybaby that refused to pull the plug on liberals 'deathcare' process.) See the 'system' has become the golden calf to the point of idolatry. I am not convinced there are enough NOT wedded to the system to reclaim what our founding fathers set in motion. I think that myth of evolution claiming to demonstrate the survival of the fittest is finally happening in real time.

32 posted on 07/13/2012 7:31:51 AM PDT by Just mythoughts (Luke 17:32 Remember Lot's wife.)
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To: Perseverando
It may be scary and it may be eerie, but events in America today are following a biblical pattern of warnings of a coming judgment,

It was ever thus.

33 posted on 07/13/2012 7:38:57 AM PDT by bkepley
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To: Errant

My take on the book is mixed. The writing was so boring and repetitive that it drove me nearly insane. The whole thing could have been summarized in a single chapter.

There are so many “coincidences,” though, that I can’t honestly say there’s no there, there. Know what I mean?


34 posted on 07/13/2012 8:52:59 AM PDT by ChocChipCookie
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To: ChocChipCookie
I think I do. The “coincidences” are pretty astounding and boggle the mind when attempting to
calculate the odds. Given this occuring along with other world and natural events, even more
so.

One other, sometimes overlooked, indicator:


35 posted on 07/13/2012 9:28:51 AM PDT by Errant
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To: Perseverando

Fallacy 101.

The U.S. is not mentioned as a nation in God’s word. We are a part of the British kingdom, biblically, and that is the best that you can look for.

But books that call for judgement on the U.S. always sell well.


36 posted on 07/13/2012 9:42:58 AM PDT by editor-surveyor (Freepers: Not as smart as I'd hoped they were.)
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To: Lera

Sid is really good on healing, and spiritual warfare, but he is way too much of a Zionist to understand end times prophecy with an open mind.


37 posted on 07/13/2012 9:47:23 AM PDT by editor-surveyor (Freepers: Not as smart as I'd hoped they were.)
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To: Errant; ItsOurTimeNow

“That which is Caesar’s” is that which is of the Earth, and thus irrelevent WRT eternity.

It can be really tough to let go of it though.


38 posted on 07/13/2012 9:53:55 AM PDT by editor-surveyor (Freepers: Not as smart as I'd hoped they were.)
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To: ItsOurTimeNow
“Considering that we’re commanded to obey our earthly masters (government) - the idea that God somehow blessed our rebellion against British authority in establishing this nation (that today murders 3,500 babies every day and is arguably one of the most perverse and immoral nations)...is something I’ve been debating in my head for a long time.”

Governments change. If no government rules (for good or for ill) but by the will of God, then if you go against the powers that be - you had best be successful. If you failed to establish a new Government - then it was not God's will that you succeed - but if you DO succeed in establishing a new Government - then it follows that it was God's will that a new Government be established.

It should be obvious to all but the incurably obtuse that for the last couple hundred years - it is God's will that America be self-ruled rather than ruled from England.

What system of governance do you see as compatible with Christianity? Monarchy?

39 posted on 07/13/2012 9:56:54 AM PDT by allmendream (Tea Party did not send GOP to D.C. to negotiate the terms of our surrender to socialism)
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To: editor-surveyor
Sid is really good on healing, and spiritual warfare, but he is way too much of a Zionist to understand end times prophecy with an open mind.

Have a listen to Jan Markell's radio broadcast that was posted today.
-Understanding the Times with Jan Markell

Saturday, July 14, 2012- The Harbinger: For Such a Time as This?
http://www.oneplace.com/ministries/understanding-the-times/player/the-harbinger-for-such-a-time-as-this-291321.html

40 posted on 07/14/2012 8:02:11 AM PDT by Lera (Proverbs 29:2)
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To: Errant

Thanks - I ordered this book.


41 posted on 07/15/2012 6:36:51 PM PDT by LadyEleanor
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To: LadyEleanor

I hope you enjoy it! More, I hope the book opens your eyes to what the future may hold for America if we continue to turn away from God.


42 posted on 07/16/2012 5:27:40 AM PDT by Errant
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To: editor-surveyor
The U.S. is not mentioned as a nation in God’s word. We are a part of the British kingdom, biblically, and that is the best that you can look for.

Maybe you're just holding your map upside down?!

John Price discusses the role of Islam in the End Times and the mystery of a powerful nation the bible describes as the "daughter of Babylon"

http://www.trunews.com/Audio/5_11_12_friday_trunews2.mp3

Rick discusses the book "America,The Daughter of Babylon" with author Allen Bonck.

http://www.trunews.com/Audio/6_20_12_wednesday_trunews2.mp3

Two hours of listening. Free!

43 posted on 07/16/2012 5:37:41 AM PDT by Errant
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To: Perseverando

Anyone who was saved and grounded in the faith knew, at 9/11, that it was a warning to America. A shot across the bow. Oh we turned to God briefly, singing “God Bless America” at sporting events and such. That’s not what He wanted. He wanted us on our knees in repentence. Then in even more defiance we said “we’ll build it bigger and better than before”. We as a nation have rejected Him, and so He is lifting his protection.


44 posted on 07/16/2012 6:02:12 AM PDT by wolfman
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To: Errant

Two hours of nonsense free.


45 posted on 07/16/2012 9:48:41 AM PDT by editor-surveyor (Freepers: Not as smart as I'd hoped they were.)
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To: editor-surveyor
Freepers: Not as smart as I'd hoped they were.

Cool tagline...

46 posted on 07/16/2012 10:07:10 AM PDT by Errant
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