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Rove, Romney and the GOP-e set out to destroy the tea party, and they are succeeding
July 14, 2012 | Jim Robinson

Posted on 07/14/2012 4:44:03 PM PDT by Jim Robinson

Rove, Romney and the GOP-e loathe pro-life Reagan conservatism, loathe the small government tea party and set out to destroy them both. I hate to admit it, but they are succeeding.

As I see staunch pro-life conservatives and tea party patriots folding their small government tents in favor of Romney's GOP-e progressive, big government big tent, I can't help but see not only the end of the tea party, but the end of pro-life, pro-liberty conservatism within the Republican party. And if we cannot quickly recover, the end of liberty in America. America's great experiment in self-government by believers in life and liberty destroyed, not by the liberal progressive statists of the Democrat party, but by the liberal progressive statists of the Republican party. Where the statist Democrats have failed, the statist GOP-e will have succeeded.

There is absolutely no doubt that Romney's pro-abortion, pro-homosexual, pro-socialist healthcare, statist big government record is identical to Obama's. Once upon a time in the not so distant past, conservatives automatically shunned big government statists. The GOP-e and the malignant genius, Karl Rove, figured out how to outflank us and turn the GOP totally against Reagan conservatism and against pro-Life, pro-family, pro-small government conservatives. It's an engineered coup d'etat against traditional small government conservatism and it is deadly.

THESE are the times that try men's souls. The summer soldier and the sunshine patriot will, in this crisis, shrink from the service of their country; but he that stands by it now, deserves the love and thanks of man and woman. Tyranny, like hell, is not easily conquered; yet we have this consolation with us, that the harder the conflict, the more glorious the triumph. What we obtain too cheap, we esteem too lightly: it is dearness only that gives every thing its value. Heaven knows how to put a proper price upon its goods; and it would be strange indeed if so celestial an article as FREEDOM should not be highly rated. Britain, with an army to enforce her tyranny, has declared that she has a right (not only to TAX) but "to BIND us in ALL CASES WHATSOEVER" and if being bound in that manner, is not slavery, then is there not such a thing as slavery upon earth. Even the expression is impious; for so unlimited a power can belong only to God.

The fear of Obama has turned many among us into squishes who will set the pro-life conservative movement back forty years or more by surrendering to the abortionist/homosexualist, statist progressive, big government, corrupt crony capitalist agenda within the GOP.

We should not fear Obama to the point we elect an overstepping statist just like him, we should be determined to impeach his usurping treasonous ass! We should shun the Gop-e, shun Karl Rove, shun Romney, shun all of the big government, big tent, RINOS who have taken over the GOP. Rather than surrendering to the big government forces, we should be working full-time to elect pro-life, pro-small government conservatives into the majority of elective offices throughout this great land. If ever there was a time for pro-life conservatives and tea party patriots to stand their ground, it is NOW!! SURRENDER TO STATISM? NUTS!!

With conservative majorities in the legislative branches of the federal government and in the majority of all state and local governments, we can impeach and remove or expel the traitors amongst us from their executive posts, their high benches or their legislative seats and reclaim our Liberty!!

I am shocked by the number of supposedly pro-life conservatives who would promote these abortionist/homosexualist statists and dismayed that so many tea party patriots would fold their tents. Romney is the natural biological father of the big government unconstitutional statist RomneyCare/ObamaCare program that was the spark that ignited the tea party. And now the tea party sadly seems to be on the brink of surrendering to him before the fight has even begun.

Not me. I stand firm for Life and Liberty!! No Obama!! No Romney!! NOT ON MY WATCH!!

TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; FReeper Editorial; News/Current Events; Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: deathpanels4u; elections; nobama; noromney; prolife; romney; romneycare4all; romneycare4u; socializedmedicine; statism; teaparty
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To: learner

You need to consider- JR is (I assume, unless his residency is elsewhere ) voting in the Republic of California. His vote does not count. I’m voting in TX, and mine really doesn’t count either (Romney is a lock). Only voters in about 12- 15 states really matter.

141 posted on 07/14/2012 7:50:39 PM PDT by matthew fuller (Election 2012- Epic Fail candidate vs Epic Fail President!)
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To: newzjunkey

“Wrong. It is every American’s fight.”

Wrong. It’s the Mittbots’ fight as they struggle to use catch phrases, slogans, tortured metaphors, and scare mongering to get people to agree with them.

142 posted on 07/14/2012 7:51:06 PM PDT by RaisingCain
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To: svcw

Even Rush now admits that Bush the Younger is no conservative. Even so Pat was the last person he backed in a presidential primary. Rush abandoned him when Bush the Elder invited him for a sleepover.

That was right before South Carolina and establishment scum like the degenerate gambler, Bill Bennett said he would not support the ticket if Pat won over Bush.

Rush could have destroyed that bucket of puss and we could have had a conservative on the top of the ticket.

That’s when it dawned on me that all the talk about supporting the party’s nominee is just talk. The establishment will not support a conservative so I feel no obligation to support a RINO.

143 posted on 07/14/2012 7:51:14 PM PDT by SUSSA
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To: unkus
Didn't you "make like a tree" and leave a couple of weeks ago??... on a Freepathon thread.

Here you are again pulling another drama queen routine.

"Everybody look at me, I'm taking my ball and leaving.. Whaaaaaaaa.. why is nobody caring?"

144 posted on 07/14/2012 7:51:21 PM PDT by Moorings
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To: woofie
REagan's appointments were generally okay with the exception of Sandra Day O'Connor.

Bork would have been great, Antonin Scalia is great and Kenned votes with the conservatives over 75% of the time.

My main point remains intact. If you vote for a candidate hoping for a conservative court, expect to be disappointing.

SInce 1980, Republicans have controlled the Presidency for 20 of the 32 years, yet we have not ended up with a conservative court yet. Is this accidental? I don't think so.

145 posted on 07/14/2012 7:54:25 PM PDT by CharacterCounts (A vote for the lesser of two evils only insures the triumph of evil.)
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To: Jim Robinson

This patriot is standing his ground...

146 posted on 07/14/2012 7:54:25 PM PDT by Iscool (You mess with me, you mess with the WHOLE trailerpark...)
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To: EternalVigilance
Well, they didn’t elect Stalin Prime Minister of Great Britain.

And hopefully we won't re-elect him President of the United States.

147 posted on 07/14/2012 7:56:41 PM PDT by Mr Ramsbotham (Laws against sodomy are honored in the breech.)
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To: RaisingCain
Mittens doesn’t even have a legitimate plan to deal with the deficit, and has even promised more spending in the form of defense increases... but with no real cuts in anything else that is raising our 15 trillion dollar deficit higher by millions every day.

Apparently you are not well informed on this subject. You might go to his website and look at his plan before you say he doesn't have one. He even lists how much $ each plan saves. This is just a portion of a page just on cutting back spending. Beats the heck out of Obama's plan of totally bankrupting America. Two choices and one of them will destroy America, ABO.

MITT'S PLAN After three years of President Obama, many now question whether we can ever return to fiscal sanity, let alone fiscal strength. A point of no return may well be approaching — a decade of huge deficits could drive our principal payments and interest rates beyond our reach while starving the economy of the capital it needs to grow.

Fortunately, the American economy’s tremendous capacity for growth gives the country one more chance to correct course. Mitt Romney has spent his career executing turnarounds in the private sector, the Olympics, and state government. He will bring to Washington the turnaround philosophy it so badly needs.

Set Honest Goals: Cap Spending At 20 Percent Of GDP

Any turnaround must begin with clear and realistic goals. Optimistic projections cannot wish a problem away, they can only make it worse. As president, Mitt’s goal will be to bring federal spending below 20 percent of GDP by the end of his first term:

Reduced from 24.3 percent last year; in line with the historical trend between 18 and 20 percent Close to the tax revenue generated by the economy when healthy

Requires spending cuts of approximately $500 billion per year in 2016 assuming robust economic recovery with 4% annual growth, and reversal of irresponsible Obama-era defense cuts

Take Immediate Action: Return Non-Security Discretionary Spending To Below 2008 Levels

Any turnaround must also stop the bleeding and reverse the most recent and dramatic damage:

Send Congress a bill on Day One that cuts non-security discretionary spending by 5 percent across the board Pass the House Republican Budget proposal, rolling back President Obama’s government expansion by capping non-security discretionary spending below 2008 levels Follow A Clear Roadmap: Build A Simpler, Smaller, Smarter Government

Most importantly, any turnaround must have a thoughtful, structured approach to achieving its goals. Mitt will attack the bloated budget from three angles:

The Federal Government Should Stop Doing Things The American People Can’t Afford, For Instance:

Repeal Obamacare — Savings: $95 Billion. President Obama’s costly takeover of the health care system imposes an enormous and unaffordable obligation on the federal government while intervening in a matter that should be left to the states. Mitt will begin his efforts to repeal this legislation on Day One.

Privatize Amtrak — Savings: $1.6 Billion. Despite requirement that Amtrak operate on a for-profit basis, it continues to receive about $1.6 billion in taxpayer funds each year. Forty-one of Amtrak’s 44 routes lost money in 2008 with losses ranging from $5 to $462 per passenger. Reduce Subsidies For The National Endowments For The Arts And Humanities, The Corporation For Public Broadcasting, And The Legal Services Corporation — Savings: $600 Million. NEA, NEH, and CPB provide grants to supplement other sources of funding. LSC funds services mostly duplicative of those already offered by states, localities, bar associations and private organizations.

Eliminate Title X Family Planning Funding — Savings: $300 Million. Title X subsidizes family planning programs that benefit abortion groups like Planned Parenthood. Reduce Foreign Aid — Savings: $100 Million. Stop borrowing money from countries that oppose America’s interests in order to give it back to them in the form of foreign aid. If pursued with focus and discipline, Mitt’s approach provides a roadmap to rescue the federal government from its present precipice. But that respite will be short-lived without a plan for the looming long-term threat posed by the unsustainable nature of existing entitlement obligations. Learn more about Mitt’s proposals for entitlement reform: [links to Medicare and Social Security]

Empower States To Innovate — Savings: >$100 billion

148 posted on 07/14/2012 7:58:34 PM PDT by ozarkgirl
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To: Mr Ramsbotham
Churchill and Roosevelt cozying up to Stalin, caused the 50 year expensive Cold War and at least for the United States point completely unnecessary.

In fact, if the U.S. had never became cozy with the Soviet Union, WWII would have probably ended much more favorably to the U.S.

149 posted on 07/14/2012 8:01:04 PM PDT by CharacterCounts (A vote for the lesser of two evils only insures the triumph of evil.)
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To: Jim Robinson

Gonna Need Popcorn for This One Bump...

150 posted on 07/14/2012 8:04:18 PM PDT by dubyagee ("I can't complain, but sometimes I still do.")
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To: editor-surveyor

It’s a fact. You are the one rationalizing that the next time it will be different No Warrens, Souters, and so on.

151 posted on 07/14/2012 8:04:25 PM PDT by CharacterCounts (A vote for the lesser of two evils only insures the triumph of evil.)
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To: bigdaddy45

“The question is.... are you? Got your hotel reservation? Plane reservation? Is this real action you’re ready (and actually preparing) to undertake, or just internet talk?”

Well, gee, Agent Fornell, it almost sounds like you are hoping I will say something that constitutes an indictable offense.

That said, plane reservation? Hotel reservation? For an event like that? Maybe that other fellow was right: maybe conservatives are all hat and no cattle.

If, however, conservatives do peaceably assemble at the convention in significant numbers, you will see me there.

152 posted on 07/14/2012 8:08:44 PM PDT by dsc (Any attempt to move a government to the left is a crime against humanity.)
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To: Mozilla
The only thing I disagree with you on is that the Romneyites are not moderates. They are radical statist. They are the legitimate heirs of Woodrow Wilson.

was hi-jacked by the moderates

153 posted on 07/14/2012 8:11:28 PM PDT by DManA
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I agree... have to keep chipping away.

154 posted on 07/14/2012 8:11:34 PM PDT by Mozilla (Constitution Party)
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To: ozarkgirl

“Apparently you are not well informed on this subject. You might go to his website and look at his plan before you say he doesn’t have one. He even lists how much $ each plan saves. This is just a portion of a page just on cutting back spending. Beats the heck out of Obama’s plan of totally bankrupting America. Two choices and one of them will destroy America, ABO.”

Actually, I have read his plan. I seriously doubt you have though, since it’s about as interesting as watching paint dry. You gotta be determined. You have to read roughly 20-30 percent in just to get to some specifics. If you could explain to me what it is he plans to cut to cut 500 billion a year, without significantly touching social security, etc, (which is something he never discusses) while still increasing defense spending, keeping the “good parts” of ObamaCare, and so forth, I would be very interested. He’s big on promises, but he’s very low on specific plans and real explanations. Mitt Romney honestly has no credibility on this subject when he won’t even touch the biggest expenditures, and when his public statements and statements from his surrogates so often contradict the “plan(s)” on his website.

155 posted on 07/14/2012 8:12:04 PM PDT by RaisingCain
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To: Jim Robinson
Matthew 5
13 Ye are the salt of the earth: but if the salt have lost his savour, wherewith shall it be salted? it is thenceforth good for nothing, but to be cast out, and to be trodden under foot of men.
14 Ye are the light of the world. A city that is set on an hill cannot be hid.
156 posted on 07/14/2012 8:13:33 PM PDT by Theophilus (Not merely prolife, but prolific)
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To: Hugin; Jim Robinson
Hugin wrote: The TEA Party was never intended to be about abortion, homosexuality, etc. It's strength was that people who think we are Taxed Enough Already could unite around the issues of taxes, debt, and spending, regardless of where they stand on social issues. A lot of it's initial support came from independents aren't necessarily “conservatively correct” on every issue. If you try to make it about all things conservative, it will just be another conservative group, preaching to the choir. Then it really will be done as a political force.

That's right.
Jim, one difficulty in trying to assert ourselves and our tight socially conservative group as the spokespeople for the Tea Party is the Tea Party is much bigger than us and ours. Casting the "true" Tea Partiers as social conservatives will make the tent much smaller than it really is and wouldn't be either as effective or accurate. The Tea Party is a large tent movement for fiscal responsibility and it is alive and well. Ask Governor Walker, he can attest to that. The Tea Party was formed as a grassroots protest movement uniting various and sundry folk who are all strongly against the ever-growing, intrusive, over-taxing, over-regulating, growth in government.

157 posted on 07/14/2012 8:16:53 PM PDT by ThirstyMan
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To: Hugin

There are really only three ways to go.

1. Obama as president will be better for the country than Romney.

2. Romney as president will be better for the country than Obama.

3. Both will be exactly the same on every issue, absolutely no difference, so I don’t care.

IMHO if you believe #1 or #3 you are delusional, but everyone is entitled to their opinion.

That’s about the size of it.

With Obama’s latest, unconstitutional executive order to gut welfare reform, my family and I have changed our minds and have decided that we will be voting for Romney. We cannot bear the thought of another four years of Barack Obama’s lawless destruction of this country. And as much as I agree with Jim’s assessment of Romney and Obama being cut out of the same liberal cloth, I do not believe Mitt Romney has the vindictive disdain for America, Christianity, and the Constitution that Barack Obama has arrogantly had and continues to have, and therein lies the difference in our decision to vote for the lesser of two evils.

158 posted on 07/14/2012 8:18:45 PM PDT by Southnsoul
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To: unkus

Are you really going? FABULOUS! And all your cash with you, for a small money tree for the socialist/Marxists you support, either O. or Romney.

See ya.

159 posted on 07/14/2012 8:19:52 PM PDT by RitaOK (NO ROMNEY, NO COMPROMISE. NO WAY. NO HOW. NOT NOW. NOT EVER.)
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To: RaisingCain

The point I was making was that you said he had no plan, he has a plan, it is thoroughly outlined on his website which I had never visited until tonight and no I haven’t read it all (it’s about as exciting as paint drying) but it does list line by line where he will make the cuts and how many dollars it will save.

Here’s what he says about Medicare and on that I strongly agree, medicare and all government programs are best handled as far down the chain as possible. The federal government needs to let states be innovative and do what they can to cut costs. The lower the level (city, county and state), the less corruption there is. Anytime the feds get involved , it turns out to be a cluster.

“Empower States To Innovate — Savings: >$100 billion
Block grants have huge potential to generate both superior results and cost savings by establishing local control and promoting innovation in areas such as Medicaid and Worker Retraining. Medicaid spending should be capped and increased each year by CPI + 1%. Department of Labor retraining spending should be capped and will increase in future years. These funds should then be given to the states to spend on their own residents. States will be free from Washington micromanagement, allowing them to develop innovative approaches that improve quality and reduce cost.”

160 posted on 07/14/2012 8:22:15 PM PDT by ozarkgirl
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