Skip to comments.Rove, Romney and the GOP-e set out to destroy the tea party, and they are succeeding
Posted on 07/14/2012 4:44:03 PM PDT by Jim Robinson
Rove, Romney and the GOP-e loathe pro-life Reagan conservatism, loathe the small government tea party and set out to destroy them both. I hate to admit it, but they are succeeding.
As I see staunch pro-life conservatives and tea party patriots folding their small government tents in favor of Romney's GOP-e progressive, big government big tent, I can't help but see not only the end of the tea party, but the end of pro-life, pro-liberty conservatism within the Republican party. And if we cannot quickly recover, the end of liberty in America. America's great experiment in self-government by believers in life and liberty destroyed, not by the liberal progressive statists of the Democrat party, but by the liberal progressive statists of the Republican party. Where the statist Democrats have failed, the statist GOP-e will have succeeded.
There is absolutely no doubt that Romney's pro-abortion, pro-homosexual, pro-socialist healthcare, statist big government record is identical to Obama's. Once upon a time in the not so distant past, conservatives automatically shunned big government statists. The GOP-e and the malignant genius, Karl Rove, figured out how to outflank us and turn the GOP totally against Reagan conservatism and against pro-Life, pro-family, pro-small government conservatives. It's an engineered coup d'etat against traditional small government conservatism and it is deadly.
THESE are the times that try men's souls. The summer soldier and the sunshine patriot will, in this crisis, shrink from the service of their country; but he that stands by it now, deserves the love and thanks of man and woman. Tyranny, like hell, is not easily conquered; yet we have this consolation with us, that the harder the conflict, the more glorious the triumph. What we obtain too cheap, we esteem too lightly: it is dearness only that gives every thing its value. Heaven knows how to put a proper price upon its goods; and it would be strange indeed if so celestial an article as FREEDOM should not be highly rated. Britain, with an army to enforce her tyranny, has declared that she has a right (not only to TAX) but "to BIND us in ALL CASES WHATSOEVER" and if being bound in that manner, is not slavery, then is there not such a thing as slavery upon earth. Even the expression is impious; for so unlimited a power can belong only to God.
The fear of Obama has turned many among us into squishes who will set the pro-life conservative movement back forty years or more by surrendering to the abortionist/homosexualist, statist progressive, big government, corrupt crony capitalist agenda within the GOP.
We should not fear Obama to the point we elect an overstepping statist just like him, we should be determined to impeach his usurping treasonous ass! We should shun the Gop-e, shun Karl Rove, shun Romney, shun all of the big government, big tent, RINOS who have taken over the GOP. Rather than surrendering to the big government forces, we should be working full-time to elect pro-life, pro-small government conservatives into the majority of elective offices throughout this great land. If ever there was a time for pro-life conservatives and tea party patriots to stand their ground, it is NOW!! SURRENDER TO STATISM? NUTS!!
With conservative majorities in the legislative branches of the federal government and in the majority of all state and local governments, we can impeach and remove or expel the traitors amongst us from their executive posts, their high benches or their legislative seats and reclaim our Liberty!!
I am shocked by the number of supposedly pro-life conservatives who would promote these abortionist/homosexualist statists and dismayed that so many tea party patriots would fold their tents. Romney is the natural biological father of the big government unconstitutional statist RomneyCare/ObamaCare program that was the spark that ignited the tea party. And now the tea party sadly seems to be on the brink of surrendering to him before the fight has even begun.
Not me. I stand firm for Life and Liberty!! No Obama!! No Romney!! NOT ON MY WATCH!!
It’s a fact. You are the one rationalizing that the next time it will be different No Warrens, Souters, and so on.
“The question is.... are you? Got your hotel reservation? Plane reservation? Is this real action youre ready (and actually preparing) to undertake, or just internet talk?”
Well, gee, Agent Fornell, it almost sounds like you are hoping I will say something that constitutes an indictable offense.
That said, plane reservation? Hotel reservation? For an event like that? Maybe that other fellow was right: maybe conservatives are all hat and no cattle.
If, however, conservatives do peaceably assemble at the convention in significant numbers, you will see me there.
was hi-jacked by the moderates
I agree... have to keep chipping away.
“Apparently you are not well informed on this subject. You might go to his website and look at his plan before you say he doesn’t have one. He even lists how much $ each plan saves. This is just a portion of a page just on cutting back spending. Beats the heck out of Obama’s plan of totally bankrupting America. Two choices and one of them will destroy America, ABO.”
Jim, one difficulty in trying to assert ourselves and our tight socially conservative group as the spokespeople for the Tea Party is the Tea Party is much bigger than us and ours. Casting the "true" Tea Partiers as social conservatives will make the tent much smaller than it really is and wouldn't be either as effective or accurate. The Tea Party is a large tent movement for fiscal responsibility and it is alive and well. Ask Governor Walker, he can attest to that. The Tea Party was formed as a grassroots protest movement uniting various and sundry folk who are all strongly against the ever-growing, intrusive, over-taxing, over-regulating, growth in government.
There are really only three ways to go.
1. Obama as president will be better for the country than Romney.
2. Romney as president will be better for the country than Obama.
3. Both will be exactly the same on every issue, absolutely no difference, so I dont care.
IMHO if you believe #1 or #3 you are delusional, but everyone is entitled to their opinion.
With Obama’s latest, unconstitutional executive order to gut welfare reform, my family and I have changed our minds and have decided that we will be voting for Romney. We cannot bear the thought of another four years of Barack Obama’s lawless destruction of this country. And as much as I agree with Jim’s assessment of Romney and Obama being cut out of the same liberal cloth, I do not believe Mitt Romney has the vindictive disdain for America, Christianity, and the Constitution that Barack Obama has arrogantly had and continues to have, and therein lies the difference in our decision to vote for the lesser of two evils.
Are you really going? FABULOUS! And all your cash with you, for a small money tree for the socialist/Marxists you support, either O. or Romney.
The point I was making was that you said he had no plan, he has a plan, it is thoroughly outlined on his website which I had never visited until tonight and no I haven’t read it all (it’s about as exciting as paint drying) but it does list line by line where he will make the cuts and how many dollars it will save.
Here’s what he says about Medicare and on that I strongly agree, medicare and all government programs are best handled as far down the chain as possible. The federal government needs to let states be innovative and do what they can to cut costs. The lower the level (city, county and state), the less corruption there is. Anytime the feds get involved , it turns out to be a cluster.
“Empower States To Innovate Savings: >$100 billion
Block grants have huge potential to generate both superior results and cost savings by establishing local control and promoting innovation in areas such as Medicaid and Worker Retraining. Medicaid spending should be capped and increased each year by CPI + 1%. Department of Labor retraining spending should be capped and will increase in future years. These funds should then be given to the states to spend on their own residents. States will be free from Washington micromanagement, allowing them to develop innovative approaches that improve quality and reduce cost.”
Yeah. Many of them are. I agree. I just meant all these so-called moderates always back none tea party conservative candidates and their guy was Romney.
You betcha! If it wakes up the Rove run Romney reich among the GOPEstablishment. YOU BETCH!
I have no patience with fools who think there is a difference. This battle was lost when Romney emerged from the crushing of conservatives. Now you’re off voting for the $*% who took the party away from you.
The language is key. Words are important. If the Romneyites are moderate then we are immoderate. B.S.
ok, all I can say we are not talking about the same radio show.
Because I have know idea who you are talking about.
Regardless, I am not voting for any liberals whether an R or D.
Never fear, I live in California so my vote means nothing anyway.
“The point I was making was that you said he had no plan, he has a plan, it is thoroughly outlined on his website which I had never visited until tonight and no I havent read it all (its about as exciting as paint drying) but it does list line by line where he will make the cuts and how many dollars it will save.”
That’s the problem. It doesn’t list line by line what he will cut. It gives a few examples, but nothing adding up to anything he is promising, and even what he does talk about tends to be only half the story, since other public statements contradict the website.
This stuff looks good to some random mook reading it without any analysis. But there is a reason why nobody can actually quote anything about Mittens plan without having to go to his website first... and even then, it doesn’t really express what he wants to do.
His campaign is built on Obama and catch phrases, not on plans. Ergo, he still does not have a legitimate plan for solving the main problems facing the country. He has no legitimate plan that acknowledges or tackles the biggest expenditures, and what little he does offer is suspect since just last year he was support the stimulus, TARP, and so on and so forth, and the RINOs are even saying on the sly that they plan to keep the “good parts of ObamaCare,” which makes one wonder how much we’re really going to save when everything is said and done? On top of that, I read about him answering a question about “how will you pay for this?” by responding with “we’re going to cut deductions on property taxes for the rich.” And, apparently, not just the rich.
He’s going to run us the same way he ran Massachusetts, which in that state consisted of him breaking all his promises, doing everything he said he wouldn’t do, and covering it all up with one gimmick after another.
“States will be free from Washington micromanagement, allowing them to develop innovative approaches that improve quality and reduce cost.”
Pam Bondi wants the states to consider RomneyCare as the solution to their woes. Since they plan to keep the “best parts” of ObamCare, they’ll likely pressure the states to do the enforcement, otherwise what they keep will destroy the healthcare system entirely.
Reading his website is like the last thing you’d want to do to know what Romney is doing. Listen to his speeches, his surrogates and what the GOPe says.
Living in CA makes it easy to do the right thing and vote third party. It’s the people in swing states who have a tough choice between two very bad options.
Gone into hiding at the TBLosers site and immediately informed them that he had zotted himself....high fives all around.
They've gone all Junior High over this thread, as usual.
You are faithless, fearful and flagrantly utilitarian.
Sometimes what works for you hands you back what you deserve.
Expect more of the worst coming at you, since you give your assent to the worst your party can offer this cycle. Can’t wait to see what your assent to them ushers in next cycle.
REBELLION IS HARD, AND RESISTANCE COSTS SOMETHING.
If you can’t stand now, hate to think what it will look like for ya’ when push comes to shove.
You should have stopped right there. It makes no sense to say what it was not intended for because it was not intended for anything else either. It just spontaneously happened.
Now from my perspective it makes no sense at all to say: "thou shalt not steal" or "thou shalt not covet" and then turn abound and say that murder and adultery are valid lifestyle choices.
Anyway, it's not a "group" and apparently not "political force" either and I could not care less about any of my TEA co-belligerents if they can't care less about the spilling of innocent blood. In that case we all deserve to be tread down.
What you say may be true, I don’t know. However, it all boils down to 2 choices - Obama or Romney. He can’t be worse than Obama and there’s too much at stake.
Incidentally, my choice was your name “Cain”. :) Not only was his wife not behind him but he might have had some indiscretions in the past - fine and dandy for Bill Clinton but not for Cain.
Anyway, heading to bed. I’ll vote for him, he is the only option - was always in Missouri and swing state so my vote counted but now in Kansas - assuming my vote counts here - don’t know how they swing yet, prob Republican state, at least this area is. Missouri was very conservative throughout most but we had St. Louis and KC to deal with so all our votes counted.
Oh, and Obama didn’t keep any of his campaign promises either - you know, the transparent government, the change in how government is run (unless you count more corruption as a change for the worse).
“What you say may be true, I dont know. However, it all boils down to 2 choices - Obama or Romney. He cant be worse than Obama and theres too much at stake.”
The only thing missing from this rant is an alternative course of action.
GW is pro-life, Romney is not.
GW is a man Romney ?
There is a patriot in the house. And he can write.
Thank you, Jim.
We’ve got conservatives who are more pragamatists than conservative, and we’ve got conservatives who are more afraid than they are conservative, but then we’ve got the s.o.b. conservatives who cross lines. No surrender. I wanna hang with these. And we may.
Sad to leave the kids and the grandkids in the hands of the pragmatists and the fearfilled, but may Almighty God step in on their behalf and for the sake of our prayers.
REBELLION IS HARD AND IT’S SCARY. RESISTANCE COMES WITH A COST. ANYTHING LESS IS SLAVERY. DESERVEDLY SO.
God be with us all.
In my job, I deal with the safety of aircraft systems. When faced with a choice of bad alternatives, one takes the least bad alternative and tries to consider how to mitigate the issue, outside of the currently available alternatives.
Romney is no conservative, but he is more conservative (by orders of magnitude) over Obama.
The mitigation comes in down-ticket, I think. And in the infiltration of the process for selecting a presidential candidate.
I do not like Romney - I have stated before that I could not vote for him. In recent months I have reconsidered my position, and I despise the fact that the GOP-e has forced me into a corner - either vote Romney or accept another four years of Obama.
But that does not change the fact that local, House, and Senate votes can carry more conservative weight.
I do not know how to ameliorate the damage done by the centrist/liberal jerkwads in the GOP. But we can think outside the box a little, with breathing room bought by electing Liberal Romney.
A battle lost does not negate the war.
There’s only one alternative: Vote straight conservative. Now and forever. You can bet if the brave hearts among us are too afraid to vote conservative, then not a one will pick up a musket when the time comes.
Ain’t that the truth.
The tea party was about defending economic freedom, aka, the pursuit of happiness. Without life, there can be no liberty, no pursuit of happiness. Our unalienable rights come from God. You know, our unalienable rights endowed upon us by our Creator, including the rights to Life, Liberty and the Pursuit of Happiness. The God who gave us life gave us liberty and economic freedom. They are inseparable. If you don’t defend the entire package, you’re destined to failure. Mitt Romney fails to defend on all accounts.
You have served our beloved country with honor and distinction in the United States Navy. Then you were a pioneer in the realm of computing, blazing a trail that ultimately led to the America's exclusive forum for genuine Conservative activism and moral absolutes. Your past record is unblemished and praiseworthy, to say the least.
With those impressive and considerable accomplishments, many would rest on their laurels. You're different and better than those lesser men. I have long learned from your essays over the years (since a friend at church first made me aware of Free Republic on the first Sunday after 9/11).
But this essay may well be your finest hour. Your clear, concise and unapologetic stance on true Constitutional Conservatism is a clarion call for American patriots. Beside being great writing, it's an inspirational wake-up call for those of us who cherish liberty and freedom. Thank the Lord for a steadfast, Christian man like Jim Robinson and for this pro-God, pro-gun, pro-life meeting place: FREE REPUBLIC. May God continue to richly bless you, John and the rest of your family.
If its that important to keep Romney from winning, you should just vote Obama.
It's only "whoring," technically, if they're actually receiving something of genuine value for the wholesale abandonment of their conservative principles (such as they are).
It's far, far worse than simple whoring. They're actually GIVING it away -- voluntarily, and with absolutely nothing to show for it.
Reagan vs. Romney
Ronald Reagan Speaks Out Against Socialized Medicine
Mitt Defends “Romneycare”
Romney and Obama on health care
Romney Defends Mass. Health Plan: ‘Right For The People Of My State’
Romney glad to hear Obama copying RomneyCare in 2009
Ronald Reagan ‘Government is the Problem’
Romney: “I am big believer in getting money where the money is. The money is in Washington.”
Flashback: Mitt Romney Praises “President’s Plan For Economic Recovery Including A Stimulus Bill”
Mitt Romney on Bank Bailout: “Right Thing To Do”
Mark Levin Show - Ronald Reagan vs. Liberals
Mitt Romney in Worcester 2002 “My views are progressive”
Romney ‘I’d Vote in the Democrat Primary’ CNSNews.com
Romney on Ronald Reagan
Best Reagan Clips from 1980 Carter debate
President Carter - Governor Reagan 1980 Debate
Jimmy Carter wants Mitt Romney
Obama Romney The Same
Barnhardt- Romney Go Home
Mark Levin talks about how Reagan took on the status quo
Mark Levin goes nuclear over Romney’s inability to explain conservatism
In that way, too many are happy to let government take care of themselves.
If government stops, they will be ok.
Humans are resourceful.
Can’t digest the rampant conservative pacifism that kicked in when we got kicked out of the DC run (R) primaries. What a charade it all was.
I am livid that so called conservatives are going to reward all this socialist mischief in our own party.
Better to know now who sits and who stands. One old hand where I was raised said, speaking about round up, that having one “fool” on the ride with no instincts is like losing three good men. LOL!
That book title I mentioned, btw, is THE NEW LEVIATHAN, by David Horowitz. Shocking research on the money behind communist front organizations in the US. We should heed the warning. If we don’t soon stand up and roar, I think some things can not be stopped, sooner than we dare to believe.
Amen. What you said. Some essay, huh. Thanks.
Well I am no moderate. I am conservative. Most of the rinos call themselves moderates but are really left wing.
Vote Virgil Goode for president or write him in.
But he’s still applauding.
Where've YOU been? I see you're a relative newbie - maybe you should check out some of Jim's previous threads before posting something so vacuous.
Sigh...Lord, deliver us from these idiots!
And ignore this one? Yes, I can see the merit in that.
Any where is the newbie rule, I've looked for it, but can't find it anywhere (typical newbie - can't find stuff). I thought we were all equal here - we all had a right to voice an opinion.
Many of your points are well taken but do not consider the fact of a two party system. In America, unlike Israel and many other nations, we govern with a coalition of many disparate groups with enough in common to elect a President. The big tent you reference is a coalition of coalitions.
One of the lessons to be learned from the recent primary attempt to find the candidate preferable to the most of those disparate groups is that the conservatism you describe doesn’t exist. There is no actual monolithic conservative force. Apparently it is the nature of conservatives to be unable to agree on enough of the basic issues you describe to be able to exert the influence required to prevail. That fact is nowhere better illustrated than right here. It is not an exaggeration to say that blood was spilled here on Free Republic in the primary battles of words and slogans.
Regarding the Tea Party, that too seems not to be monolithic in that several groups took the name and acted but not in total concert. I’m sure you recall the awesome gathering of Tea Partiers in DC. That may have been the high water mark. It was a very impressive display of the conservative desire to stop the progressive scourge. That it even happened is evidence of a conservative force that had not previously been so publicly displayed. The effects can not be measured precisely but we know the next congress benefited.
Then there is the fact that politics is the art of what is possible. While the desire is to promote and develop conservatism in it’s purist form, the reality is that for many, probably most, identity is neither with the conservatives or the GOP-e. The strong desire is to identify with the winner.
That results in sort of a middle course, moderation. To be moderate is easy. To be at either of the extremes requires thought and consideration. From my attendance of Tea Party events, I suspect that many were swayed from their comfortable position by the very admirable actions and words of the the purer conservatives.
Lastly, the ongoing process is a war, a war with liberalism. The loss of one battle is not the loss of the war. It is certainly not the end of the war. The cycle for the dying North East Republicans is now up, but the trend is against them. Their population is dwindling and their real power is ebbing.
I would urge that building a larger and stronger coalition within the Tea Party movement is still the best course. The war will never be won by fighting battles outside the tent
yes, Romney is a mild “leftist BUT Obama is an outright COMMUNIST. You need to “retreat” in this battle in order to be able to eventually win the war. If the communists take over the Constitution is dead.