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Rove, Romney and the GOP-e set out to destroy the tea party, and they are succeeding
July 14, 2012 | Jim Robinson

Posted on 07/14/2012 4:44:03 PM PDT by Jim Robinson

Rove, Romney and the GOP-e loathe pro-life Reagan conservatism, loathe the small government tea party and set out to destroy them both. I hate to admit it, but they are succeeding.

As I see staunch pro-life conservatives and tea party patriots folding their small government tents in favor of Romney's GOP-e progressive, big government big tent, I can't help but see not only the end of the tea party, but the end of pro-life, pro-liberty conservatism within the Republican party. And if we cannot quickly recover, the end of liberty in America. America's great experiment in self-government by believers in life and liberty destroyed, not by the liberal progressive statists of the Democrat party, but by the liberal progressive statists of the Republican party. Where the statist Democrats have failed, the statist GOP-e will have succeeded.

There is absolutely no doubt that Romney's pro-abortion, pro-homosexual, pro-socialist healthcare, statist big government record is identical to Obama's. Once upon a time in the not so distant past, conservatives automatically shunned big government statists. The GOP-e and the malignant genius, Karl Rove, figured out how to outflank us and turn the GOP totally against Reagan conservatism and against pro-Life, pro-family, pro-small government conservatives. It's an engineered coup d'etat against traditional small government conservatism and it is deadly.

THESE are the times that try men's souls. The summer soldier and the sunshine patriot will, in this crisis, shrink from the service of their country; but he that stands by it now, deserves the love and thanks of man and woman. Tyranny, like hell, is not easily conquered; yet we have this consolation with us, that the harder the conflict, the more glorious the triumph. What we obtain too cheap, we esteem too lightly: it is dearness only that gives every thing its value. Heaven knows how to put a proper price upon its goods; and it would be strange indeed if so celestial an article as FREEDOM should not be highly rated. Britain, with an army to enforce her tyranny, has declared that she has a right (not only to TAX) but "to BIND us in ALL CASES WHATSOEVER" and if being bound in that manner, is not slavery, then is there not such a thing as slavery upon earth. Even the expression is impious; for so unlimited a power can belong only to God.

The fear of Obama has turned many among us into squishes who will set the pro-life conservative movement back forty years or more by surrendering to the abortionist/homosexualist, statist progressive, big government, corrupt crony capitalist agenda within the GOP.

We should not fear Obama to the point we elect an overstepping statist just like him, we should be determined to impeach his usurping treasonous ass! We should shun the Gop-e, shun Karl Rove, shun Romney, shun all of the big government, big tent, RINOS who have taken over the GOP. Rather than surrendering to the big government forces, we should be working full-time to elect pro-life, pro-small government conservatives into the majority of elective offices throughout this great land. If ever there was a time for pro-life conservatives and tea party patriots to stand their ground, it is NOW!! SURRENDER TO STATISM? NUTS!!

With conservative majorities in the legislative branches of the federal government and in the majority of all state and local governments, we can impeach and remove or expel the traitors amongst us from their executive posts, their high benches or their legislative seats and reclaim our Liberty!!

I am shocked by the number of supposedly pro-life conservatives who would promote these abortionist/homosexualist statists and dismayed that so many tea party patriots would fold their tents. Romney is the natural biological father of the big government unconstitutional statist RomneyCare/ObamaCare program that was the spark that ignited the tea party. And now the tea party sadly seems to be on the brink of surrendering to him before the fight has even begun.

Not me. I stand firm for Life and Liberty!! No Obama!! No Romney!! NOT ON MY WATCH!!


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To: unkus; Admin Moderator; Jim Robinson

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51 posted on 07/14/2012 5:52:40 PM PDT by Politicalmom (THIS IS NOT A GOP CHEERLEADING SITE!!!)
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To: abclily

So you have decided to vote for the liberal because he is not a muslim. I think that’s called surrender.
not me - no way - no more liberals


52 posted on 07/14/2012 5:54:09 PM PDT by svcw (If one living cell on another planet is life, why isn't it life in the womb?)
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To: Hugin

Thank you!! Excellent comment and excellent post :)


53 posted on 07/14/2012 5:54:24 PM PDT by bigdaddy45
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To: unkus

So you have surrendered and have gone into hiding, let us know how that works out for you.


54 posted on 07/14/2012 5:56:34 PM PDT by svcw (If one living cell on another planet is life, why isn't it life in the womb?)
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To: Jim Robinson
Good evening. I hope you are doing well.

There is no doubt, we as a constitutional republic are at the precipice.

I hope we make it another 100 years.

5.56mm

55 posted on 07/14/2012 5:57:23 PM PDT by M Kehoe
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To: UncleSam

The TEA Party was never intended to be about abortion, homosexuality, etc. It’s strength was that people who think we are Taxed Enough Already could unite around the issues of taxes, debt, and spending, regardless of where they stand on social issues. A lot of it’s initial support came from independents aren’t necessarily “conservatively correct” on every issue. If you try to make it about all things conservative, it will just be another conservative group, preaching to the choir. Then it really will be done as a political force.”

I agree, and last saturday went to a Tea party event, and on short notice there was a good crowd...


56 posted on 07/14/2012 5:57:49 PM PDT by JoanneSD (TEA PARTY VERSES TEE TIME)
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To: svcw

It’s never “voting for” someone, it’s “voting against” someone. I’m voting against Obama. When the Communists start forcing us into concentration camps and refuse healthcare to our aged parents and grandparents you will have wished you had as well.


57 posted on 07/14/2012 5:58:18 PM PDT by Oklahoma
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To: fortheDeclaration

“The GOP is getting the message and if they don’t, a new Party will emerge.”

They will resist the message. A new party will emerge.


58 posted on 07/14/2012 5:59:03 PM PDT by Psalm 144 (Voodoo Republicans. Don't read their lips. Watch their hands.)
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To: RaisingCain

Get Jim back on his meds! That screed is full of lunacy.If All jims succeed in not voting guess who will win. Are you going to like that result? We have to get Obama out, period.
Anything is better than four more years of his crap.

I like Free Republic and donate, but Jim is wrong!! If you follow his advise you will regret it. You may be proud of yourself, but stupid.


59 posted on 07/14/2012 5:59:47 PM PDT by learner
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To: svcw
no more liberals

Well youre gonna get a liberal whether you like it or not.

Question is will it be a unrestrained america hating racist communist, or a RINO Bush look alike who'll have to throw conservatives a bone from time to time out of political neccessity?

Barking at the moon, while an option, will not effect anything.

60 posted on 07/14/2012 6:00:09 PM PDT by skeeter
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To: dsc

Nice speech but I’ve always heard “If “ifs and buts were candy and nuts, we’d all have a Merry Christmas”. No one is going to do anything. Conservatives are all talk and no action, all hat and no cattle.

There are no more men like those who founded this country. Those types are dead and gone, never to be revived. Sad but true. So while our choice of a Presidential candidate is not the most optimum, it is a better choice than the occupier we currently have in the White House.


61 posted on 07/14/2012 6:01:00 PM PDT by MissouriConservative (Voting Anyone but Obama in 2012.)
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To: greene66
...the Republican Party back during the Reagan era has, in the past few years, been systematically squeezed out of the GOP, which has now morphed into some kind of amoral, big-tent, power-mad, ersatz Democrat Party.

Exactly. The party has left us.

62 posted on 07/14/2012 6:02:07 PM PDT by SCalGal (Friends don't let friends donate to H$U$ or PETA.)
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To: fortheDeclaration
I must disagree

TeaParty candidates are winning in the primaries.

I agree with you. The Tea Party/Small government types seem to be gaining all the time. Heck...even a Romney looks like a Patrick Henry against a Richard Nixon or Gerald Ford or a GWHB.

No need to panic and give up the whole playing field because you think the coach sent in the wrong quarterback.

Sometimes we just can't take yes for an answer.

63 posted on 07/14/2012 6:02:14 PM PDT by eddie willers
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To: central_va

“I sure wish Romney would fight Obama as hard as he fought conservatism in the primaries. Just sayin’.”

You don’t rough up your friends.


64 posted on 07/14/2012 6:02:33 PM PDT by Psalm 144 (Voodoo Republicans. Don't read their lips. Watch their hands.)
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To: Jim Robinson

At one time i said that i wouldn’t support Romney, especially after what happened in the Florida primary with the negative avalanche against Gingrich and the way Romney went after him in the Florida debate.

But i’ve changed my mind. Not that i’m suddenly swooning for Romney but to me it’s not really about Romney or Obama: it’s about the media. The media which put Obama over the top; that have put many lefties over the top who wouldn’t otherwise have gotten anywhere; that have shifted the country further and further to the left over the last 30 or 40 years by promoting every half-baked liberal cause and ridiculing or ignoring everything conservative.

It is little short of a coup d’etat. They set the agenda, they control the chessboard, they cover what they want to cover, cover up what they don’t want to cover. And they don’t even seem to care if it’ll them in the pocketbook. They want to completely defeat conservatives at almost any cost.

We all know this. But i fear if they aren’t checked now there will be no stopping them.

So to me, a resounding defeat of Obama will be a devastating defeat for the media. It will make them see that their unrelenting propaganda won’t continue to work and that they either need to become more balanced or else they’ll become more and more irrelevant. I’m not saying they’ll change overnight, it will take a while, but it is a necessary first step in my opinion.

As for Romney vs Obama, there is one big difference. Obama doesn’t care if the country is weakened in order to achieve his goals. In fact, that seems to be precisely what he thinks must be done. My sense is that Romney does care and will restore some sanity to the White House. Plus, he will be someone who other leaders will respect far more than they do Obama. That is not necessarily saying much, but it is something.

For those reasons i am hoping Romney will win. I’m not expecting much from a Romney presidency, but hopefully i will be pleasantly surprised in some areas. Especially when it comes to appointing a Supreme Court judge and helping get the economy back on track.


65 posted on 07/14/2012 6:06:42 PM PDT by Humbug
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To: Hugin

Romney is about the worst person we could have at this point in history with everything at stake.

Having said that, you are 100% correct.

We must support Romney lest the Kenyan get re-elected.


66 posted on 07/14/2012 6:08:19 PM PDT by adm5 (AMERICA HAS ONLY GOD AND THE SECOND AMENDMENT LEFT TO SAVE THE REPUBLIC. by: LibLieSlayer 3/18/10)
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To: learner

“Get Jim back on his meds! That screed is full of lunacy.If All jims succeed in not voting guess who will win. Are you going to like that result? We have to get Obama out, period.
Anything is better than four more years of his crap.

I like Free Republic and donate, but Jim is wrong!! If you follow his advise you will regret it. You may be proud of yourself, but stupid.”


4 years of Statist Obama vs 8 Years of Statist Mittens. Hmmmmmmm, seems the lesser of two evils thing isn’t as clear cut as you would like. Mittens doesn’t even have a legitimate plan to deal with the deficit, and has even promised more spending in the form of defense increases... but with no real cuts in anything else that is raising our 15 trillion dollar deficit higher by millions every day.

C’mon, we’re headed towards a reset. No doubt about it. And I honestly see no benefit in having Mittens running the show when the collapse happens. It will ruin our credibility as a movement since we voted for and supported the Statist under whom it collapsed.


67 posted on 07/14/2012 6:10:05 PM PDT by RaisingCain
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To: svcw
So you have decided to vote for the liberal because he is not a muslim. I think that’s called surrender. not me - no way - no more liberals

You are going to get one whether you vote or not. The only thing is...one of them is a dedicated communist. I'll take any liberal over a dedicated communist. Who knows he may not be as liberal as you predict.

68 posted on 07/14/2012 6:13:18 PM PDT by saminfl
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To: learner

There seems to be an awful lot of people on here who are just as delusional as the moonbats that still show up at the Madison Capitol despite having had their asses handed to the twice now. If the TEA party is dead, how do you explain Wisconsin? Romney wasn’t forced on anyone, for whatever reason the majority of GOP voters selected Romney. There may have been some Democrat crossover votes but in Wisconsin, the Dems were urging people to support Santorum. Romney was not my first choice but I’m not going to waste my vote and let 0bama finish the job of destryoing this country in a second term, just because I’m throwing a temper tantrum that my guy didn’t win.


69 posted on 07/14/2012 6:16:00 PM PDT by creeping death
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To: Longbow1969

Longbow1969:

Congratulations for writing a post that is filled with common sense.

As I read you, you are no more enamored of Romney than I am. But you also realize that the choices we are given are what they are. To insist on a further choice is to choose the way of revolution, and not that of an ordered, lawful, representative republic ... and we are not there yet.

So, to me, it is a simple choice: Obama versus Romney, that is, horrible and destructive to our constitutional republic, versus better than horrible but not nearly enough of what we truly need. I will vote for better every time, even as I would vote for a sinking ship to be kept afloat for one more hour in the hope that help would come or more survivors would be rescued. In the case of the Titanic, for example, one more hour (or a little more) would have seen the RMS Carpathia arrive on scene and thus able to rescue many hundreds more of Titanic’s passengers and crew.

Ladies and gentlemen, I respect your judgment and conscience, one and all. But we are now in a general election, as our constitution allows and enables, primary election thinking is no longer valid or helpful. Obama needs to go, and something better, however incrementally small that “better” is, needs to replace him.


70 posted on 07/14/2012 6:18:53 PM PDT by Belteshazzar (We are not justified by our works but by faith - De Jacob et vita beata 2 +Ambrose of Milan)
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To: Hugin

What he said...


71 posted on 07/14/2012 6:21:28 PM PDT by FightforFreedomCA (I WILL be voting on November 6th to evict the current pResident.)
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To: cripplecreek
I think that a lot of people felt that way about McCain and look what we ended up with. If Obama gets reelected, I think Congress and the Judicial branch will become irrelevant and free speech including websites like Free Republic will disappear.
72 posted on 07/14/2012 6:22:36 PM PDT by antidemoncrat
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To: Oklahoma

Huh.
That is not how I vote. I have always voted for someone.
Sleep well, my vote doesn’t count anyway, I live in California.
Oh, since the “health care law” medicare implantation started last year, I was forced off my husbands health plan at 65 to go on medicare. (Nope I can not get a private policy) and medicare is already rationals drugs and services.
You know the healthcare bill that was formed first by Romney and his team, and his advisers says he will not repeal.
Do what you need to do.


73 posted on 07/14/2012 6:23:29 PM PDT by svcw (If one living cell on another planet is life, why isn't it life in the womb?)
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To: creeping death

I agree with you. Why waste your vote as JIM describes and get no where.

As to these people who want to say”mittens” grow up and wake up. It is a two party system and one party has a horrible candidate, I.E. OBAMA.If you do not vote, you are effectively voting for Obama. Great idea Jim????? You get to lose double time.


74 posted on 07/14/2012 6:25:23 PM PDT by learner
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To: saminfl

I really wish that were the case, however Romney’s political life says otherwise.
Rest easy, I live in California my vote doesn’t mean anything.


75 posted on 07/14/2012 6:25:35 PM PDT by svcw (If one living cell on another planet is life, why isn't it life in the womb?)
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To: antidemoncrat

I’m not voting for Romney no matter how desperate the screeching gets.

Period.


76 posted on 07/14/2012 6:25:55 PM PDT by cripplecreek (What does it profit a man if he gains the whole world but loses his soul?)
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To: Jim Robinson

Rush and the other talkers let Rove, the Bushes, and the rest of the Republican establishment make Romney the nominee. Had they come out strongly for Bachman early on, we would have a conservative nominee.

Now all we have is another big government establishment hack who might move us to the left and tyranny a little slower than Obama will. Once again the talkers are saying that this is the most important election of our lifetimes, just like they have every 4 years since Reagan (the last time we had a conservative nominee).

No matter if Romney or Obama wins we are going the way of Greece. The only two questions now are; how fast we go and will we lift the cup of hemlock to our own lips?


77 posted on 07/14/2012 6:26:28 PM PDT by SUSSA
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To: learner

Calling him Mittens remindse me of how the libs and unionistas call Gov. Walker “Scooter”. Very childish.


78 posted on 07/14/2012 6:27:38 PM PDT by creeping death
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To: Humbug
"So to me, a resounding defeat of Obama will be a devastating defeat for the media. It will make them see that their unrelenting propaganda won’t continue to work and that they either need to become more balanced or else they’ll become more and more irrelevant. I’m not saying they’ll change overnight, it will take a while, but it is a necessary first step in my opinion."

No, they won't change, but they will have to get in the back of the bus, again, for a while. Because they won't control the zone.

79 posted on 07/14/2012 6:27:43 PM PDT by StAnDeliver (=)
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To: skeeter

Huh?
GW Bush is Reagan compared to Romney.
Rest easy I live in California my vote means nothing.
Romney is not now or has he ever been a conservative, and spent most of his political life trying to destroy them.
So do what you need to do.
I am not voting for a liberal, one may become president, it will not be with my help.


80 posted on 07/14/2012 6:29:40 PM PDT by svcw (If one living cell on another planet is life, why isn't it life in the womb?)
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To: eddie willers

a Romney looks like a Patrick Henry
__________________________________________

Patrick “Give me Liberty or give me daeth” Henry ???

No way kid...

Henry was a brave man prepared to DIE for his cause, his country...

Not Wee Willie Mitty...

Wee Willie is a draft dodger who ran off to Frannce the rich boys’ Canada...

He has never served our country..

he refused to when he could and should have...

Wee Willie is a craven coward and no patriot..

Hes only ever served himself...

Dont insult the honorable memory of Mr Henry...

Both Richard Nixon and Gerald Ford served in the US military...

Dont insult their commitment to service either...


81 posted on 07/14/2012 6:29:40 PM PDT by Tennessee Nana (Why should I vote for Bishop Romney when he hates me because I am a Christian)
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To: dsc

Until that time comes, I will vote for the candidate closest to my beliefs. And that will be Romney this time. Now isn’t the time for spite. When we get rid of BO, then we have a chance to re-build.

May God bless the USA.


82 posted on 07/14/2012 6:29:55 PM PDT by jch10 (Fail to the Chief!)
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To: Jim Robinson
Republicans can't kill the Tea Party Movement because they didn't create it. It pre-exists both the Dems and Repubs. Both the GOP-e and the Dems have made a critical error assuming the Movement is an new entity that can be crushed. They're wrong. The Movement is perpetual, fluid and flows from the God-given will to be free. It will exist long after both those parties are long-lost memories. It will outlast even these United States.

It is the same Movement that wrote the Declaration of Independence and the Magna Carta. It is the same Movement that dumped tons of tea into Boston Harbor. It's the same Movement that freed the slaves and overcame Jim Crow. It's irresistible and perpetual.

I don't fear Romney and Rove because men like them have come and gone throughout our history, and they don't have the FIRST CLUE about what motivated those marchers in 2009. They'll win an election or two, pass a tyrannical law or two, but in the end the Movement will prevail, if not at the national level then at the state level. Whether it's the United States of America (USA) or the a new Free Republics of America (FRA), freedom loving Americans will eventually achieve their natural state.

We just need to stay vigilant, true, perpetually pulling at whatever chains are on us. There is no final victory for the Movement, only progress.

83 posted on 07/14/2012 6:33:16 PM PDT by LaserJock
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To: Hugin

Thanks for saving me the keystrokes.

Well said


84 posted on 07/14/2012 6:33:39 PM PDT by berdie
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To: COBOL2Java
I am not a Romneybot by any means. I wanted Michelle Bachmann to win and when she folded I was pushing for Newt Gingrich to win (I voted for him); however, the Messiah is so horrible that I am eating my second crap sandwich in four years (the first was McCain) and voting for Romney.

Obama is a special kind of evil that even the slippery Romney is not. Barack Hussein Obama's success is much like the Intenal Revenue Code: lies upon lies; deceit upon deceit; and falsehood upon falsehood (see the works of Peter Schiff's father, Irwin Schiff).

This affirmative action Hitler must be defeated in his quest for a second term and tragically, we're stuck with Romney to do it.

85 posted on 07/14/2012 6:35:59 PM PDT by Stepan12
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To: RaisingCain
"C’mon, we’re headed towards a reset. No doubt about it. And I honestly see no benefit in having Mittens running the show when the collapse happens. It will ruin our credibility as a movement since we voted for and supported the Statist under whom it collapsed."

Dude, seriously ...

Anyway, under your remote scenario, who would be the first person the country would immediately turn to in the shadow party? Mittens. See Nixon, 1968...Reagan, 1980...

86 posted on 07/14/2012 6:36:31 PM PDT by StAnDeliver
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To: svcw

Something tells me if W ran for guv in Massachusets he’d be just like Romney. Which is why I’m hoping we see a less liberal Romney should he win.


87 posted on 07/14/2012 6:36:51 PM PDT by skeeter
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To: Jim Robinson

The Tea Party is just reloading Jim.


88 posted on 07/14/2012 6:37:53 PM PDT by SWAMPSNIPER (The Second Amendment, a Matter of Fact, Not a Matter of Opinion)
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To: Jim Robinson

It does strike me as ironic, that the Tea Party members are now supporting RINOmney - who represents what they have risen up against...

But of course, we each get one vote to decide.


89 posted on 07/14/2012 6:41:17 PM PDT by aMorePerfectUnion ("I'm comfortable with a Romney win." - Pres. Jimmy Carter)
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To: Jim Robinson

Amen!
I still won’t vote for Romney.


90 posted on 07/14/2012 6:45:58 PM PDT by sport
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To: AnAmericanAbroad
As for myself (I vote permanent absentee through Washington state), I’m voting downticket. For President, I’m writing-in for Cthulhu and Nyarlathotep for VP.

You ought to consider voting for Obama. Otherwise Romney might make it.

91 posted on 07/14/2012 6:46:30 PM PDT by Mr Ramsbotham (Laws against sodomy are honored in the breech.)
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To: AnAmericanAbroad
"Just a general statement regarding some of the hysterics I’ve seen online lately about how the world is gonna end if Obama pulls off re-election."

Year-after-year...Always the same pseudo-subtlety from you...Interesting to hear that Ronald Reagan was hysterical...

Stay abroad...keep your years of trolling claptrap intact...

92 posted on 07/14/2012 6:47:30 PM PDT by SuperLuminal (Where is another agitator for republicanism like Sam Adams when we need him?)
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To: SWAMPSNIPER

The Tea party did not Die. They are alive and well. We just have not had a large protest like we did before. But these are people who have jbs and cannot do what they lazy OWS do while living on their parents.
What Jim has stated I could not be in more disagreement.He thinks that by disavowing the two party system he will win some “moral” victory. He will lose his ass!! That is fools gold. We are stuck with the current system and if he wants to go that way, that is his decision. A loosing one, but his.Go vote for Ralf Nader and see where it gets you Jim. And by the way that vote is essentially for Obama.
Congratulations you just screwed yourself.


93 posted on 07/14/2012 6:47:30 PM PDT by learner
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To: SUSSA
"Rush and the other talkers let Rove, the Bushes, and the rest of the Republican establishment make Romney the nominee. Had they come out strongly for Bachman early on, we would have a conservative nominee."

How is that supported in fact? Did any of them force Bachmann to hire Ed Rollins -- who turned around and torpedoed her, exactly as he had done to Katherine Harris in '06?

That poor judgment call to hire Rollins is strictly on Michele.

94 posted on 07/14/2012 6:48:41 PM PDT by StAnDeliver
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To: LaserJock; Hugin
Republicans can't kill the Tea Party Movement because they didn't create it. It pre-exists both the Dems and Repubs. Both the GOP-e and the Dems have made a critical error assuming the Movement is an new entity that can be crushed. They're wrong. The Movement is perpetual, fluid and flows from the God-given will to be free. It will exist long after both those parties are long-lost memories. It will outlast even these United States.

This is well said, but as Hugin so eloquently reminds us, it was the commonality of the TEA (Taxed Enough Already) Party with those who are not necessarily conservative otherwise that made the success possible. As I see it, the only entity that can do in the TEA Party is the Tea Party. Keep to those common points of fiscal responsibility, spending constraints, etc. The "social" side of the equation will naturally follow, but as it took many years to get where we are, so it will take many years to get back.

95 posted on 07/14/2012 6:56:29 PM PDT by workerbee (June 28, 2012 -- 9/11 From Within)
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To: Jim Robinson
Pretty much where I landed about four years ago.

America's Party

God bless you and yours as you stand stalwartly for the Truth; and for Life, Liberty and the Constitution.

"The fear of man brings a snare,
But whoever trusts in the Lord shall be safe."

-- Proverbs 29:25

Stay safe.

96 posted on 07/14/2012 6:56:50 PM PDT by EternalVigilance (If you've surrendered your principles out of fear of Obama, you've already lost. - TomHoefling.com)
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To: svcw
The enemy of my enemy is my friend.

Half a loaf is better than no loaf at all.

In my lifetime only two true Conservatives have won the nomination, Goldwater and Reagan. Ashbrook, Crane, Kemp, DuPont, Forbes and Thompson are all candidates I supported that would have made better presidents than the ones elected. But they didn't make it. Until we can get a true Conservative nominated the best we can do is put the most Conservative/Libertarian Congress, Governors and Legislators in office.

The battle is never going to be over. It will be fought over and over.

97 posted on 07/14/2012 6:58:57 PM PDT by Oklahoma
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To: StAnDeliver

“Dude, seriously ...

Anyway, under your remote scenario, who would be the first person the country would immediately turn to in the shadow party? Mittens. See Nixon, 1968...Reagan, 1980...”


You’re the one with the hopey-changy s*** with Mittens. As for people turning to him, I’ve already seen two polls showing only a minority of Pubs even “strongly” support him. You’re dreaming.


98 posted on 07/14/2012 6:59:40 PM PDT by RaisingCain
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To: Jim Robinson

I contribute monthly by credit card for the simple reason that there is more, prompt and relative news posted here than on any other place I have found.

It is also, for some reason, more readable.

Some of the news boards cause my eyes to glaze over.

That said, my politics do not agree at all with Jim’s. I am conservative, more so than any candidate that has appeared in public.

However, what everyone should consider is that our most important duty is to get rid of obummer. After he is gone, we can do our best to find more conservative candidates.

But we must get rid of obummer. That is number one.


99 posted on 07/14/2012 7:00:26 PM PDT by old curmudgeon
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To: old curmudgeon

It’s Jim’s site and I respect that. I agree with almost all the stances that this site stands for. I know Romney has a liberal past, but he was in Massachusetts for Pete’s sake. He will legislate to the right as pres. And, more than anything in the world, I want obama out. A second - even less accountable - term from obama will destroy this nation.


100 posted on 07/14/2012 7:03:36 PM PDT by Tigercap
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