Posted on 07/16/2012 5:43:07 PM PDT by RightGeek
Ping
Ohmygosh, I can’t believe I messed that up!!! Yes, I knew that ELCA was Lutheran, sorry about that. I was trying to ascertain how the U.S. Episcopal Church (of which there is one, yes?) fits with the Anglican Church (of England, internationally, etc.?) Lightman, will check out your link, thanks.
Again, I apologize for the mistake.
Our former bishop, now Jolette, Indiana’s problem, exemplifies that statement. He closed nine churches. Although mine was one of those, I understood why. Attendance was down because population decreased from when many churches were built. However, he then demanded, saying that God instructed (?!), that we give $9 million for a new cathedral. Needless to say this did not go over well. Those who sent their WWII checks to build the current cathedral were now being asked to leave their life’s savings for the new?
Our former bishop, now Jolette, Indiana’s problem, exemplifies that statement. He closed nine churches. Although mine was one of those, I understood why. Attendance was down because population decreased from when many churches were built. However, he then demanded, saying that God instructed (?!), that we give $9 million for a new cathedral. Needless to say this did not go over well. Those who sent their WWII checks to build the current cathedral were now being asked to leave their life’s savings for the new?
The same thing is happening with our nation.
‘Your nasty, petty, unkind, remark was quite unnecessary.’
But telling, no?
The main problem with them is that they have an agenda ... theirs, not God’s!
The disease that is roaring through numerous organizations.
FYI only.
“the ones that still take the Bible seriously - are all doing just fine, thank you very much.”
Why go to a church that doesn’t believe in anything? I mean there are plenty of health clubs, the Rotary or Toastmasters if you just want a community of friends.
Here is my take on the deity of Christ creed: http://gillespiepoems.blogspot.com/2012/06/of-many-worlds-comments-on-nature-of.html
Thanks, I don’t know where my head was! See #23, I really do know ELCA is a Lutheran sect!! lol
LOL! I hear this all the time from disaffected Catholics, even some who attend the same Parish as I. I don't know how they get the notion that the Church is always begging for money. In my 24 years in this Parish, I've heard exactly three sermons suggesting that folks think seriously about supporting the Parish, and two of those were in the past five years when the Parish was planning to build an addition to the Church/School building.
There have been a couple of other times that the head of the Finance Committee gave a little talk after Communion, and just before the final blessing. Many were shocked to learn that the average 'offering' from among the 1800 families that received envelopes for contributions each year was a whopping $4. When they realized just how LITTLE was being given, some did increase their contributions, but it wasn't because of badgering, it was because they were gently encouraged to do so.
Sometimes there is a Second Collection, or a fundraiser for some organization or the other, but usually there is simply an announcement about it.
So outside of the West, things are really looking up for the World's 2nd largest Christian denomination.
Even in England--despite that country's wholesale abandonment of the Church (something less than 5% attend church at all), of those who still do attend church, something like 1/3 are conservative/evangelical types--a higher percentage than those in mainline American denominations.
In the USA the newly formed Anglican Church in North America (ACNA)--with conservative/orthodox EX-Episcopalian American bishops, working with African and other foreign bishops, are doing well in building up the NEW Anglicans here in the states.
Worldwide Anglicanism is more and more getting away from depending on the weak and ineffective leadership of Canterbury...as the robust churches in the developing world are asking themselves 'We're following the lead of the decrepit English Church because what?'
Over 100,000 Americans worship in non-Episcopal Anglican (usually ACNA) churches now. So...Anglicanism as a very old form of orthodox Christianity, still exists and is growing, thank you--in spite of the apostasy and dissolution of the Episcopal Church.
2nd Timothy 4:3-4 For the time will come when they will not endure the sound doctrine; but, having itching ears, will heap to themselves teachers after their own lusts; and will turn away their ears from the truth, and turn aside unto fables.
After years of watching the denominational "leadership" (I mean that in the same vein that Tinkerbell was part of the leadership cadre there in NeverNeverLand) within the elca, pcusa, tec, et cetera, being driven by the itching in their ears, it has finally come down to simply being too mundane, too common, and too tedious to get up in arms about any longer.
Even the redoubtable Vicke Gene Robinson recently complained that "[his "marital status"] is nobody's damn business." virtue on line Vicke made sure it was everybody's business a few years ago, though. This religious pioneering and moral groundbreaking stuff is tough duty. Seems it can wear on a chap.
Seems the fabric is getting a bit frayed, tawdry, and tiresome.
(yaw-n-n-n) Bedtime...g'night, all y'all.
A message to these “Catholics” that attend the Episcopal church in Connecticut: “Good riddance!!!” The Episcopal church can have them.
They think nothing of spending $5 at Starbucks for coffee or $10 to see a lousy movie at the theater, but whine and complain when it comes to supporting their church on Sundays. Who do they think pays the heating and a/c bill, the priest’s salary and expenses, the janitor, the grounds keeper, cleaning supplies, the bread and wine, the religious education programs for the children, insurance, etc. etc.??? Don’t they realize everyone else has the extra burden of paying their way too?
Oh, you're funny. I report to you what people have told me about why they moved to the church and you tell me I've sinned.
What's that about judging others the Church teaches us?
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