Skip to comments."You can't fight evil with evil"
Posted on 07/17/2012 3:30:32 PM PDT by Jim Robinson
As Alan Keyes wrote the other day, you cannot fight evil with evil.
If you haven't read it, do yourself a favor:
A Choice Between Satan and Beelzebub (FR thread)
I grieve deeply as I contemplate the fact that millions of Americans are letting themselves be caught in this diabolical snare. As I tried to point out in 2008, the lesser of evils is still evil. No matter how such an election turns out, people content to choose between Satan and Beelzebub have made clear their willingness to let things go to hell. Moreover, the nature of their choice is so clear to them that they practically boast of the passionate hatred that impels them to it. With this practical boast they become the willing, proud accomplices of the very evil they profess to hate.
Im morally certain this is why Christ admonished his disciples to make striving for Gods perfection the standard for their actions, rather than their hatred of evil. He thought it better to fail reaching for this standard than succeed by abandoning ones life to the devils dominion. He thought it better to fail in the worlds eyes while commending ones spirit to God (as he does on the cross) than succeed by casting ones lot with Gods adversary.
A man who for over 30 years of his adult life by his own admission justified the wholesale slaughter of innocent and helpless human life is purely evil and can and did justify anything. Many times.
Romney's entire political life has been a mis-adventure into godless liberal/progressive evil. There can be no denying that he has during his tenure either advocated for or personally enacted nearly the entire godless liberal/progressive agenda. He has succeeded where the Democrats have failed and he has shown them the way. His record of evil leftist doings, rationalizing, justifying, flip-flopping and mealy-mouthed parsing and spinning (lying) precedes him and tells the tale of the man. He has no foundation. No core principles. No Christian values. No moral compass. If ever a man was a godless liberal in the GOP, he is Myth Romney.
If the Republican conservatives in office or in leadership positions or in the so-called conservative media would simply stop rooting for this evil bastard and commit to the TRUTH and stand tall for Life and Liberty now and at the convention, we could chuck this liberal bastard onto the ash heap of history and run a pro-life, pro-liberty, pro-small government conservative Republican that we can all be proud to support over the Marxist usurper. And we would WIN in a Reaganesque landslide!!
Perversely, Romney is just about the only Republican who may actually lose to Obama. Hell, even McCain beat Romney.
Taking the right path is not easy and not popular at this time, but it's the only path.
May we stand on God's side while attempting to save our Republic!!
Apparently, these said trolls didn’t think much about my proposed truce or they wouldn’t be posting their continual insults.
I’m not voting for the lesser of two evils. I’m proudly voting for, (and contributing to) Romney.
What is your purpose in voting for Goode? There is ZERO chance of anyone third party winning the presidency. The winner will be either Romney or Obama. If Obama wins there will be MORE abortion funding and MORE abortions. More unborn babies will die. There will be NO repeal of Obamacare and some people that would have received better medical treatment are going to die. We have a shortage of ER drugs now and it will get much worse if Obama is reelected. Unemployment is going to continue to get worse if Obama is reelected and people WILL suffer. However if Romney wins MUCH of this horror will be avoided. Why not help Romney win then get a better more suitable conservative on the ballot the next time?
I understand your frustration but if enough of you think this way Obama just might win and people WILL actually suffer that would not if he had been defeated. You've probably heard the phrase, all evil needs to triumph is for good men to do nothing. If you vote third party you are DOING NOTHING.
That is certainly much more powerful than anything I posted.
"Losing" this time would mean losing our country. Romney is flawed. But he is not a Marxist, and he obviously does not hate America. That's not a lot, but this time: it's enough. There is no practical alternative aside from sitting out the election or voting for a candidate with no chance of winning. You are free to do what you wish. At least now, you are.
I will not see my country destroyed by a narcissistic Communist anti-American quisling because his alternative is not sufficiently pure.
Screw that. America deserves to survive and so does my family. With Romney: we have a chance. With Obama: we're finished.
The idea that the strategy to “deprive whichever evil wins of a popular mandate” might be wonderful fantasy, but in reality a One Vote Win by Obama will be treated as a Popular Mandate.
I envy your innocence on this point, but Obama will never suffer from the lack of a Mandate. That situation is only applicable to Republicans. Remember Florida 2000?
The Communists, Democrats, Liberal and Progressives have never forgiven Bush for pulling out that win, and they made sure to destroy him with the help of their Pravda inspired Media friends for twelve years running.
I have made this point before, just as I made the point that another four Years of Obama will not magically promote a Conservative avalanche of support in 2016. If we couldn't get a Conservative Candidate this time around after the mess that is Obama, it will never happen. The damage that will result in another Obama Term will be beyond comprehension.
I'm in that 'we' but I don't think it isaccurate to say FReepers were united behind Newt.
[ And, Yeah, I would love to have seen Newt vs. Zero now.]
Mondale: “One final point: President Reagan, as Governor of California, signed a bill which is perhaps the most liberal proabortion bill of any State in the Union.”
THE PRESIDENT: “Yes. Well, with regard to this being a personal choice, isn’t that what a murderer is insisting on, his or her right to kill someone because of whatever fault they think justifies that?
Now, I’m not capable, and I don’t think you are, any of us, to make this determination that must be made with regard to human life. I am simply saying that I believe that that’s where the effort should be directed — to make that determination.
I don’t think that any of us should be called upon here to stand and make a decision as to what other things might come under the self-defense tradition. That, too, would have to be worked out then, when you once recognize that we’re talking about a life. But in this great society of ours, wouldn’t it make a lot more sense, in this gentle and kind society, if we had a program that made it possible for when incidents come along in which someone feels they must do away with that unborn child, that instead we make it available for the adoption? There are a million and a half people out there standing in line waiting to adopt children who can’t have them any other way.”
THE PRESIDENT: With regard to Social Security ... I will say this: A President should never say “never.’’ But I’m going to violate that rule and say “never.’’ I will never stand for a reduction of the Social Security benefits to the people that are now getting them.
President Reagan evolved over many years from a union Democrat, to a Republican, to a conservative.
Saving unborn children is a categorical imperative. Politics is largely utilitarian: maximizing the greatest amount of good for the greatest number of people.
With all due respect ... President Reagan didn’t think that
a president should ever say “never,” and neither should we.
A self-fulfilling prophecy, made possible only by "conservatives" who support socialists.
Understood. Carry on.
LOL! It’s kinda fun watching a guy tear down his own house. FR has no reason to exist anymore except as a little circle-jerk club on the net for a guy and his self-righteous zealot buddies.
Don’t bother - I’ll ZOT myself.
“and he obviously does not hate America. “
Anyone who signs a permanent gun ban is an enemy of America.
Romney did just that.
Obamacare is the same thing as Romneycare, just nationwide.
Mittens gave Massachussetts homosexual marriage.
Funny, the Founders had lots to say about homosexuals.
He also saw nothing wrong with TARP, or bigger more expansive government, which is an enemy of the very people.
Ditto, Double Ditto and a Triple Ditto to boot.
“I’m taking my dolly and going home!”
Ditto, Double Ditto and a Triple Ditto to boot.
And he did it by bending & breaking the rules.
One more term of vote buying and I believe there really will be no turning back, ever.
Let conservatives in blue states make the statement by voting Constitution Party or writing in Palin. But a split vote in swing states is Obama's fondest wish.
Marxist? He’s a godless liberal progressive. An abortionist/homosexualist, big government, mandate loving, liberty hating statist/socialist. He advocates for and has enacted the same damn godless liberal agenda that Obama has. In fact, Obama credits Romney for opening the door to homo marriage, homos in the military and socialized healthcare which, until Romney got it all done in Massachustts, they (the Democrats) had failed to accomplish.
Screw Romney!! Never in a million years would I vote for that Marxist enabling, baby murdering, homo pushing, socialist/statist bastard!!
I love my God, my country, my family and my Liberty too much to install the enemy within as our president!!
We’ll fight Obama to the bitter end. The idiot RINO Republicans will follow Romney straight off the cliff to the pits of socialist hell!!
Wow. It's not often you see a Romney Republican admit that Mitt is worse than Obama.
Really? Are you sure that it's my "innocence" that you envy? Or perhaps some other qualities that you lack?
You've made up your mind to roll over, which makes your screen name a sad joke. You reflexively spin negative and forecast negative on every argument that supports rejecting Romney and braving the consequences, and you insist that the only cure is to knowingly vote FOR a depraved agent of liberal tyranny -- and you say I'm the one indulging in fantasy.
You continue the drumbeat of hysteria, though you couch in in calm-sounding language; it's still hysteria.
Yes, you've made your points before, and they're just as bereft now as they were the first time you made them.
Well, bye. Don’t need surrender monkeys on our team anyway.
Well put! Do they think Obama had a "mandate" for Obamacare? Of course not! Do these people think Obama the tyrant is going to give a crap about his lack of a mandate? He will simply declare his mandate on anything he wants. Wake up!
You know, tumblin, I wish you’d just say what you mean to say. Lately, your posts have been so cryptic that it’s hard to determine whether you’re agreeing or disagreeing with Jim Robinson.
Well, at least you admit it up front.
all;Great graphic KC_Lion.
As it IS written:
“The light of the body is the eye: therefore when thine eye is single, thy whole body also is full of light; but when thine eye is evil, thy body is FULL of darkness.” Luke 11:34
I know you’re gone but I have to say..you’re a pig.
Romney did not ban guns in Massachusetts. I know because I used to live there and I did not have to give mine up.
Obamacare is not Romneycare. Romney will work to overturn it, and yes, I believe him. The alternative is guaranteed: permanent Federal control.
Gay marriage is and should be a state issue. Massachusetts is 80% liberal Democrat. That's their problem. Romney has shown no inclination to attempt to make it a Federal matter.
Romney was wrong about TARP, as were a fair number of Republicans, and he admits that now. But he absolutely rejects the kind of massive government control over the economy that Obama will certainly impose if he is re-elected.
I am uncertain about Romney in some respects. I have no doubt about Obama. The man is evil.
Picking from two evils is not what I really wanted.
As much as I don’t want Romney, Obama would be a worse choice. Another four years of the Kenyan would be a disaster. I know that Romney is not what I want either, but one of those two socialists is all there is.
I will vote against any RINO or liberal and I will vote against Obama. With luck ridding ourselves of RINOs will scare Romney into a little conservativeness out of self preservation.
Actually it's a question of the natural moral law, which is the basis of the free republic we call home.
And whether you fear God enough to be afraid to "normalize" what He calls an abomination.
“Repeating falsehoods does not change reality.”
Funny, 2004 or so he did sign a permanent “Assault weapon ban” into Mass state law.
That is not false.
But hey, if you want to claim it is, be my guest.
“I know because I used to live there and I did not have to give mine up.”
LOL, do you think anyone with brains would have given their up?
He backs gun bans and most certainly did sign a permanent gun ban on so called “assault weapons”.
Oopsies for you, a thread from FR about it.
July 8 2004 my friend.
This is the thread I needed to see!
YOU have finally given those of us confused about what to do, a final direction.
If I read this right...the plan is to reject Romney and pray that enough voters will reject Obama and give us enough conservative congress members to cancel out his agenda AND possibly repeal Obamney care! If nothing else give us enough power to throw out the weak GOPe leaders.
If this is the plan, it may be a long shot but not impossible.
Am I reading this right?
An easily disproved bit of misinformation.
"Deadly assault weapons have no place in Massachusetts," Romney said..."These guns are not made for recreation or self-defense. They are instruments of destruction with the sole purpose of hunting down and killing people."
So instead of resisting, you guys, with your screen names that imply warrior hearts but posts that confirm craven spirits, surrender wholesale to liberalism by promoting Romney into the highest position in both America and the Republican party.
It's your innocent, childlike laughter I'll miss most, I think.
I just can’t help but think that “it isn’t over till the fat lady sings”..... the Republican convention has not yet happened. Doesn’t than mean that Romney is not the candidate until the convention proclaims him so?
Is there anyway that we can pull out a miracle and nominate someone like Newt? What if a couple of million tea party people showed up in Tampa demanding the convention nominate someone who will indeed defend the constitution. What if three million of us were standing outside the convention in prayer vigil. I am grasping for hope here..... do you see a chance we can turn it around?
The dripping nose, yes.
That’s what we’ll remember the most, the dripping nose.
My perception of this strawman battle would be to crush it into the dirt
then pulverize it into dust, and burn it. Then celebrate by pissing all over what's left.
How do these asshats find the time to breathe? So simple are their answers
to create a perfect utopia. Evil will use the constitution, but only parts that
suit them to protect themselves against anyone trying to stop their agenda.
Evil will hide in courtrooms to protect themselves against those they are trying to destroy.
They certainly dream of setting the rules that they will never follow.
No wait, no dream, the Dems are doing it already.
I just stated that your line of reasoning regarding Obama lacking a “Mandate” is just plain silly considering the Liberal Sycophants in our Media driven culture.
Pharaoh Obama don't need no Mandate, in my best Holder's People dialect.
You have Posted many other reasons to explain your position, but the lack of a “Mandate” argument is not based on the reality in today's America. Maybe thirty years ago it would hold water, but when we have a President who acts like a Dictator and his supporters gleefully encourage his behavior. We are dealing with a whole new breed of animal.
I hope that explains my earlier post to you. If not, there is nothing I can add.
Ummm, actually you can.
God wiped out the Babylonians with the Medes and Persians.
He then wiped out the Medes and Persians with the Greeks.
He then wiped out the Greeks with the Romans.
It can be done.
Evil is relative. If you want to get down to it, every single person alive on this earth is evil. Some of us are saved and redeemed, but not because of ourselves. Good people are evil people that have self control, if you believe what the bible says about our fallen, sinful natures.
And that old nature is still inside the redeemed, we have both the old man and the new inside, but the old sinful nature we have to fight every day.
Some "choice". But still - it is a choice. You've got to do what you need to do and I'll never fault you for making your own decision. I share your concerns about the social agenda. Radical homosexual propaganda and abortion are aiding the destruction of everything good and decent about America. But from where I sit, we'll never again have a chance to change the culture if Obama wins. And all we have left right now, like it or not, is a chance. We're that far gone. Otherwise, I'd sit it out, too.
If the Congress is Republican, it will be easier to stop Obama than Romney.
KC, I agree that the meaning of a “win with no mandate” would be utterly lost on Barack Obama.
We have the most unenviable choice coming up, unless Mitt Romney gets run over by a beer truck, figuratively speaking.
People have been conditioned since they were little to regard a check by the candidate of your choice to mean you love the candidate in a global sense. This is kind of the same folly by which Israel fell in love with its kings, which ended as we know in ruination.
You have nothing to say to either EV or myself about proving your claim that Romney never signed a gun ban wrong?
Instead you turn around and post “Without question, Romney has shown Progressive tendencies”?
Where’s your claim that we are lying about those liberal facts in his background?
Jim (and I, though we don’t see eye to eye on some matters) comes from a Christian world view. That’s very black and white and does not allow a lot of room for “this person was worshiping a true God but confusedly.” From a Jewish point of view, the philosophy on such matters is a bit more liberal. I think this is where Jim is coming from.
We need a ruling. Does this one “count”...? ;)
My prayer all along has been to get a replacement for Romney at the convention so we can defeat that Marxist usurping bastard. Romney is a big “L” loser.
Also, to get all grassroots conservatives to turnout and vote straight conservative up and down the ticket for every office in every state and district and locale all across this great land. We need the majorities in as many executive positions and legislative bodies as possible so we can begin impeaching, expelling and removing the corrupt liberty killing usurping crony statist bastards from their executive offices, their legislative seats, their high judicial benches and fire as many of their corrupt underlings as is possible. And repeal, rescind, overturn, abolish, nullify and otherwise render moot any and all unconstitutional, anti-liberty acts, decrees, decisions, amendments, treaties, departments, agencies, commissions, regulations, etc., as this is the only way we’ll ever restore our constitution and reclaim our liberty short of physically running the bums out on a rail. It’s a constitutional crisis to end all unconstitutional crisis.
The 2010 tea party sweeps was just a warm-up act for the 2012 tea party rebellion!!
I can see November from my house!!
Give me liberty or give me death (or bankruptcy - same thing)!!
“Im not voting for the lesser of two evils. Im proudly voting for, (and contributing to) Romney.”
IF you are “proudly” voting for Romney, then you are as evil as he and don’t belong on this forum.
Being ABO is one thing, but to proclaim SUPPORT FOR ROMNEY! Man I am amazed you have not be zotted.
Only one of the two candidates has to worry about what people think about what he will or won’t do the next four years. Hint, it ain’t Obama.
Jesus is not a politician.
Jim, we’ve clashed a lot on the utilitarian argument about voting for Mitt.
But it would be my fondest dream to see Mitt elbowed out and replaced with somebody reasonable. In my sweetest dream that would be Sarah Palin.
“Finny, I am not fighting with you.”
Yes you are. Stop it. I have been following your posts elsewhere. You need to put a cork in your mouth, glue your keyboard stuck....and shut up.