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Obama believes success is a gift from government
Examiner ^ | 7-17-12 | Michael Barone

Posted on 07/18/2012 4:54:20 AM PDT by Mikey_1962

Perhaps the rain made the teleprompter unreadable. That's one thought I had on pondering Barack Obama's comments to a rain-soaked rally in Roanoke, Va., last Friday.

Perhaps he didn't really mean what he said. Or perhaps -- as is often the case with people when unanchored from a prepared text -- he revealed what he really thinks.

"There are a lot of wealthy, successful Americans who agree with me -- because they want to give something back," he began, defending his policy of higher tax rates on high earners. "They know they didn't -- look, if you've been successful, you didn't get there on your own. You didn't get there on your own. I'm always struck by people who think, 'well, it must be because I was just so smart.' There are a lot of smart people out there. 'It must be because I worked harder than everybody else.' Let me tell you something -- there are a whole bunch of hardworking people out there.

"If you were successful, somebody along the line gave you some help. There was a great teacher somewhere in your life. Somebody helped to create this unbelievable American system that we have that allowed you to thrive. Somebody invested in roads and bridges. If you've got a business -- you didn't build that. Somebody else made that happen."

In other words, Steve Jobs didn't make Apple happen. It was the work of a teacher union member -- er, great teacher -- and the government agencies that paved I-280 and El Camino Real that made Apple happen.

High earners don't deserve the money they make, Obama apparently thinks. It's the gift of government, and they shouldn't begrudge handing more of it back to government.

And that's true, as he told Charlie Gibson of ABC News in 2008, even if those higher tax rates produce less revenue for the government, as has been the case with rate increases on capital gains. The government should take away the money as a matter of "fairness."

The cynical might dismiss Obama's preoccupation with higher tax rates as an instance of a candidate dwelling on one of his few proposals that tests well in the polls. Certainly, he doesn't want to talk much about Obamacare or the stimulus package.

Cynics might note that he spurned supercommittee Republicans' willingness last year to reduce tax deductions so as to actually increase revenue from high earners, without discouraging investment or encouraging tax avoidance as higher tax rates do.

But maybe Obama's Captain-Ahab-like pursuit of higher tax rates just comes from a sense that no one earns success and that there's no connection between effort and reward.

That kind of thinking also helps to explain the approach taken by Sen. Patty Murray in a speech at the Brookings Institution on Monday. She wants a tax rate increase on high earners so badly she said she'd prefer raising everyone's taxes next year to maintaining current rates.

Murray was first elected in 1992 as a state legislator, who had been dismissed by a lobbyist as "just a mom in tennis shoes." But in 20 years she's become an accomplished appropriator and earmarker.

"Do no harm," Federal Reserve Chairman Ben Bernanke told members of Congress at a hearing yesterday, urging them to avoid the sharp spending cuts and tax rate increases scheduled for year's end.

But Murray is threatening to do exactly that kind of harm. Those prattling about how irresponsible Republicans are might want to ponder her threat.

And to consider that Republicans remember what happened to the last Republican who agreed to such rate increases, George H.W. Bush in 1990. Seeking re-election in 1992, he won only 37 percent of the vote. Republicans won't risk that again.

The Obama Democrats seem to believe there's no downside risk in threatening huge tax increases for everyone and in asserting that if you're successful "someone else made that happen."

But the Wall Street Journal's Colleen McCain Nelson reported yesterday how affluent Denver suburbanites have soured on Obama. Obama tied John McCain 49 to 49 percent among voters with more than $100,000 income in 2008, but in NBC/WSJ polls this year, they've favored Mitt Romney 50 to 44 percent.

Affluent voters trended Democratic over two decades on cultural issues. But economic issues dominate this year, and they may not appreciate Obama's assertion that they don't deserve what they've earned.


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Maybe he is just a plain old Marxist.
1 posted on 07/18/2012 4:54:24 AM PDT by Mikey_1962
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To: Mikey_1962
Course he is.

He's a 3rd generation communist, weaned on Marx and Lenin.


2 posted on 07/18/2012 4:58:30 AM PDT by Travis McGee (www.EnemiesForeignAndDomestic.com)
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To: Mikey_1962

Obama believes success is a gift from government.

In his case he is correct.


3 posted on 07/18/2012 5:02:21 AM PDT by chainsaw ("Two ways to conquer and enslave a nation. One is by the sword. The other is by debt.")
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To: Mikey_1962

For some...Government is the ‘Gift’ that keeps on Giving

For others....Government is the ‘Gift’ that keeps on Taking


4 posted on 07/18/2012 5:02:45 AM PDT by libertarian27 (Check my profile page for the FReeper Online Cookbook 2011)
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To: Mikey_1962

“If you are broke, you didn’t do it. Somebody else made it happen. Me. And the Democrat party.” Good excuse, huh?


5 posted on 07/18/2012 5:08:23 AM PDT by Safetgiver ( Islam makes barbarism look genteel.)
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To: Mikey_1962

Dear Mr. Obama: Please complete this syllogism:

The government built the roads that allowed workers to drive to Apple headquarters.

The government built the roads that allowed workers to drive to Solyndra headquarters.

Therefore, ___________________________________________.


6 posted on 07/18/2012 5:09:00 AM PDT by TruthShallSetYouFree (I didn't write this by myself. Obama helped me. Everyone helped me.)
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To: Mikey_1962

I believe it is because he does not have any belief in the Devine.


7 posted on 07/18/2012 5:13:33 AM PDT by Mouton (Voting is an opiate of the electorate. Nothing changes no matter who wins..)
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To: Safetgiver

That’s the “joy” of fascism.

If you’re Government, you get to take credit for success, and blame the private business owner for any hardships.


8 posted on 07/18/2012 5:13:33 AM PDT by MrB (The difference between a Humanist and a Satanist - the latter knows whom he's working for)
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To: Mikey_1962

Obama says you got help from the grace of God and the intercession of saints.

Oh, that’s right, if he said that he’d have been vilified.

Never mind.


9 posted on 07/18/2012 5:13:59 AM PDT by P.O.E. (Pray for America)
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To: Mikey_1962
Somebody helped to create this unbelievable American system that we have that allowed you to thrive.

I'd love to hear Obama's definition of the American system. I'm sure it would make my toenails curl.

10 posted on 07/18/2012 5:19:08 AM PDT by Oratam
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To: Mikey_1962
"that if you're successful someone else made that happen"

Well, of course that is what Obama believes, why shouldn't he? For that has been his only experience his entire life. HE never had to actually earn anything. He had handlers and facilitators and affirmation action who set it all up for him and paid for it.... all the way to the white house. He just had to be a "good boy" and believe in uncle Frank, shake the right hands (ie: Ayers) and give them the nod of approval, pose eloquently and read from the teleprompter what the handlers wrote for him.... and all that he dreamed of appeared.

11 posted on 07/18/2012 5:21:31 AM PDT by Apple Pan Dowdy (... as American as Apple Pie mmm mmm mmm)
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To: Mikey_1962

If roads and teachers made businesses successful, why doesn’t everyone own a business? Infrastructure is available to all.


12 posted on 07/18/2012 5:28:20 AM PDT by JudyinCanada
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To: Mikey_1962
‘Success’ is a habit and the sooner you learn it the better off you will be... spiritually, psychologically and practically.

That's why in kindergarten you got a gold star on your paper, if you did well.

Reinforcing effort and industry are BASIC to everything in the education of children and that lesson carries over into adulthood.

For so long, Liberals have been trying to diminish and demonize the concept of personal achievement, so ‘success’ both as a habit and an ultimate goal have become anathema.

Rewarding indolence and failure will NOT cultivate good citizens or productive members of society!! THAT is so obvious that I wonder anyone needs to be reminded of it!

For what it is worth: I remember in grade school, some ‘boys’ beat up my brother outside the school on the way home, because he won a gold star on his paper.

There is you ‘anti-success’ mentality!

13 posted on 07/18/2012 5:30:34 AM PDT by SMARTY ("The man who has no inner-life is a slave to his surroundings. "Henri Frederic Amiel)
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To: Mikey_1962

“Life, Liberty and the Pursuit of Happiness”. The gift the government has given to each of us is the opportunity to succeed. Predominantly through the sacrifices of hundreds of thousands of men and women who’ve gone before us.


14 posted on 07/18/2012 5:31:26 AM PDT by Portcall24
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To: Mikey_1962

Mister President PLEASE stay off the ‘prompter. It is revealing the “true you”. Don’t let Axelrod and Gibbs load up TOTUS with their propaganda. Stay on your Marxist, central management, totalitarian regime message....PLEASE!


15 posted on 07/18/2012 5:32:29 AM PDT by SERKIT ("Blazing Saddles" explains it all.......)
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To: Portcall24
“Life, Liberty and the Pursuit of Happiness”. The gift the government has given to each of us is the opportunity to succeed.

Those are rights that come from God, not gifts from the government. The government has no right to interfere with any of them.

16 posted on 07/18/2012 5:33:58 AM PDT by Future Snake Eater (CrossFit.com)
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To: Mouton
he does not have any belief in the Devine.

He should -- Andy was a great character actor.


17 posted on 07/18/2012 5:35:17 AM PDT by Cincinatus (Omnia relinquit servare Rempublicam)
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To: Mikey_1962

Or perchance, just an old fashion f’en moron.


18 posted on 07/18/2012 5:44:30 AM PDT by SERE_DOC ( “The beauty of the Second Amendment is that it will not be needed until they try to take it.” TJ.)
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To: Mikey_1962

If Stalin, Mussolini had the internet and MSM in their day they would have said the same thing.

This is history being made, this is socialism being raised in a fertile country like America.

Does anyone really wonder why its been kicked out of the Soviet Union?


19 posted on 07/18/2012 5:49:05 AM PDT by Eye of Unk (Going mobile, posts will be brief. No spellcheck for the grammar nazis.)
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To: Mikey_1962
“Do you know the hallmark of a second rater? It's resentment of another man's achievement. Those touchy mediocrities who sit trembling lest someone's work prove greater than their own - they have no inkling of the loneliness that comes when you reach the top. The loneliness for an equal - for a mind to respect and an achievement to admire. They bare their teeth at you from out of their rat holes,t...hinking that you take pleasure in letting your brilliance dim them - while you'd give a year of my life to see a flicker of talent anywhere among them. They envy achievement, and their dream of greatness is a world where all men have become their acknowledged inferiors. They don't know that that dream is the infallible proof of mediocrity, because that sort of world is what the man of achievement would not be able to bear. They have no way of knowing what he feels when surrounded by inferiors - hatred? no, not hatred, but boredom - the terrible, hopeless, draining, paralyzing boredom. Of what account are praise and adulation from men whom you don't respect? Have you ever felt the longing for someone you could admire? For something, not to look down at, but up to?" "I've felt it all my life," she said.” ― Ayn Rand, Atlas Shrugged
20 posted on 07/18/2012 5:52:23 AM PDT by CSM (Keeper of the Dave Ramsey Ping list. FReepmail me if you want your beeber stuned.)
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To: Mikey_1962

In Obama’s world, success does come from government because he’s too lazy and stupid to make it on his own.


21 posted on 07/18/2012 6:08:16 AM PDT by Opinionated Blowhard ("When the people find they can vote themselves money, that will herald the end of the republic.")
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To: Mikey_1962

Government is not the solution; it’s the problem — R Reagan


22 posted on 07/18/2012 6:09:01 AM PDT by The Truth Will Make You Free
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To: CSM

Powerful


23 posted on 07/18/2012 6:13:39 AM PDT by Birdman
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To: Future Snake Eater

I agree. But unfortunately God needs a little help sometimes to keep them secured from evil.


24 posted on 07/18/2012 6:18:18 AM PDT by Portcall24
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To: Mikey_1962

Much of what has been emerging from Obama’s piehole recently borders on the politically insane. His latest screed was almost incoherent in its “logic” that because some other people built a road or a bridge, you should pay higher taxes. So much for The Greatest Genius Of Our Generation as the Obmamatons would have us believe. Obama can’t think his way out of his Marxist bag.


25 posted on 07/18/2012 6:26:24 AM PDT by driftless2
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To: driftless2

That’s Obamatons...not Obmamatons


26 posted on 07/18/2012 6:27:56 AM PDT by driftless2
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To: Mikey_1962
Of course The Government knows what is best for all of us!

And wherever there is TOTAL government control there is wealth and abundance!

Look at Soviet Russia, Cuba, North Korea, China, East Germany, and all those other place where the Glorious People's revolution has taken control!

Garden Paradises, all of them (WITH free health care!)

27 posted on 07/18/2012 6:37:23 AM PDT by Mr. K (fat-fingers+small laptop keyboard+bad eyesight=many typos)
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To: SERKIT
LOL - I agree with you- when he got home his masters were probably screaming at him “JUST READ the teleprompter-The Teleprompter has everything we want you to say- we don't pay you to think- just READ THE DAM TELEPROMPTER!!!”
28 posted on 07/18/2012 6:40:33 AM PDT by Mr. K (fat-fingers+small laptop keyboard+bad eyesight=many typos)
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To: Mikey_1962

Elite Leftists of course always exclude artists & athletes from the “rich” whose wealth must be redistributed. Now why is that?

To those driven by emotions, who view the world in a qualitative instead of quantitative way, artists & athletes have _talent_. They’ve earned their millions because they can do something with great skill/talent. They’ve _earned_ it.

These Leftists look at high-paid white- and blue-collar workers (from CEOs to consultants to big-dollar construction workers etc) as overpaid because they’re not doing anything of particular talent. They have, according to the Left, acquired an unfair income because what they do isn’t appreciably different from what anyone else could step in and do. They’re _lucky_ to have landed a big paycheck for nigh unto menial work. Leftists don’t recognize, much less acknowledge, great talent in occupations which they do not understand.

They’re like children who look at an adult doing a complex task and declare “I can do that!” and are frustrated unto “that’s not fair!” when the adult refuses to let the child perform the dangerous/delicate/risky action and, in consequence, denies the child the reward derived from performing it.

They don’t comprehend that a CEO takes huge responsibility for decisions having great effect on large numbers of people. One simple mistake can destroy millions of dollars and many jobs. The pressure on making such decisions is enormous. The less talented would make such mistakes very soon, if not have a mental breakdown first.

...or that a lawyer who must be able to navigate and understand the bewildering complexity of law, knowing one mistake can cost huge sums or destroy lives. (Odd how most Leftists demanding new laws & regulations have never read any.) A lawyer without talent makes little.

...or an engineer who understands how to convert the surrealism of science into performing complex tasks. Again, one mistake can be very expensive. As a software engineer I must manipulate millions of 1s and 0s, arranging them with abstract tools into intricate incantations to extract medical information from biological samples via exotic measurement processes. As a cyborg my very life depends on a heart-controlling computer running perfectly for decades.

...or an entrepreneur who expends great personal effort, time, money, etc. to organize existing parts (products & services) to create some new whole which is worth much more than the sum of the parts, and has substantial risk of the whole endeavor becoming a huge waste which nobody will share in the failure of - but everyone wants part of the profits if it succeeds. Takes _talent_ to pull all those disparate factors into a self-perpetuating business.

...but for some reason, Leftists do not see these examples as worthy of profit. If a great artist puts cheap paint on a cheap canvas and sells it for millions, they think that’s fair ... but if a great programmer arranges cheap bits on a cheap computer and sells the program for millions, they think his profit is “unfair” and must be distributed among anyone who had any conceivable involvement no matter how paltry or fairly paid.


29 posted on 07/18/2012 6:40:42 AM PDT by ctdonath2 ($1 meals: http://abuckaplate.blogspot.com)
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To: Mikey_1962

Naturally, many business owners will be angered at Obama’s words.

Perhaps the real tragedy here is that the hundreds of thousands of young people who would desire to one day own their own businesses are no doubt thinking “why bother?”

Why bother indeed when you’ll just be maligned, insulted, and targeted as the declared enemy of the state.

This guy is attempting to kill the American dream.


30 posted on 07/18/2012 6:47:13 AM PDT by wayoverontheright
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To: Mikey_1962

He doesn’t have the brainpower to follow anything to its logical conclusion.


31 posted on 07/18/2012 6:47:55 AM PDT by FrankR (You are enslaved to the extent of charity that you receive!)
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To: ctdonath2

Your post is one of the reasons I love freerepublic. You are worthy of my great respect as a rational, and well educated thinker. I am also a software engineer, and have code running on many medical instruments.


32 posted on 07/18/2012 7:50:44 AM PDT by Kratos
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