Skip to comments.July 20, 1993 - The mysterious death of Vince Foster
Posted on 07/20/2012 9:28:38 AM PDT by Baynative
Foster left at a few minutes after 1:00 p.m. He told Pond that there were M&M candies on his lunch tray, which Tripp had bought for herself in the cafeteria. "I'll be back," he said, walking out without a briefcase or anything else in his hands.
"There was a tiny bit of dried blood around the mouth and nose, so I thought maybe he'd been hit on the back of the head," he said later. Kyle went in to take a closer look. He would later recall flies buzzing around the dead man's mouth and nose, the dead man laying on his back, clad in a white business shirt unruffled and clean with his arms and hands out straight at his sides, palms up. "He looked as if he'd been dead for a long time; I mean hours." Kyle then looked for a gun, and didn't see one, an act which would make him famous to the legion of conspiracy theorists who would accumulate around the case presented by this dead body.
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Four of the emergency workers first on scene with Foster's body testified before Congress that they saw a wound on his neck, with two describing it as a gunshot wound. The way the blood collected around his shirt collar and shoulder was observed by some as unusual, as was the overall lack of blood seen by rescue workers as strange. Even though he'd walked hundreds of feet into the park, no soil samples were found on Foster's shoes.
Patrick Knowlton, who'd also stopped at the park to urinate that day, saw a brown Honda with Arkansas plates as well. He also reported a man sitting behind the wheel of a Japanese car who "glowered" at him as he walked past, according to Evans-Pritchard. In the brown Honda, assumed to be Foster's car, he said he saw a briefcase, though Park Police never found any case. Foster's car was also never logged in or out of the White House parking lot that day, Evans-Pritchard writes.
His car drove itself there as the keys were at the white house.
I read he was pregnant with Hillary’s baby...
A number of FReepers have postulated that the Chicago political mob was able to blackmail the Clintons over Arkancide.
Hillary couldn’t use the vaunted Clinton private detective squad to uncover Baraq’s most well kept secrets.
Mutually assured destruction between evil forces....
Thanks for refreshing my memory, I remember now, his death is peanuts compared to what we are facing now.
.....He was five and she was six They rode on horses made of sticks He wore black and she wore white She would always win the fight Bang bang she shot him down Bang bang he hit the ground Bang bang that awful sound Bang bang Vince Foster hit the ground. Mansions, limos, seasons blurr, Slick porked his girls and he porked her Yet she would always laugh and say Remember when we used to play Bang bang I shot you down Bang bang you hit the ground Bang bang that awful sound Bang bang Vince Foster hit the ground.... Power, money, intrigue and the one day trips to Switzerland Unlaundered money in a bag So heavy that it made him sag and then that final, fateful day, he knew too much, and heard her say Bang Bang.......
Anniversary of the sinking of the Kennedy at Chappaquiddick, too.
There was nothing particularly “mysterious” about it; it was a clear case of Arkancide.
The real mystery is how many in the US - and around the world - went the same way.
If he was in fact shot in the mouth, he was already dead when he was shot.
According to reports, the nuzzle was pressed against the soft palate in the back of the mouth.
That leads straight to the easel cavity.
Physics 101. Snot and blood would have blown out his nose if he had been alive. It didn't, there was a small trickle of blood.
His nose was plugged with dried blood when the trigger was pulled.
A small trickle of blood from the nose is consistent with a small caliber weapon, possibly even an ice pick.
However (if you check my posts), from the moment he was appointed, it was skeptical about Freeh's ability to issue a report that didn't already draw conclusions in favor of his employer (the Penn State Board of Trustees). Indeed, he apparently missed the 2004 aborted attempted by the Board to reign in Spanier, Curley, Schultz, and Paterno that's now been disclosed.
Why was I skeptical of Freeh?
His censure was recommended at Ruby Ridge.
He handled the Vince Foster investigation.
He personally leaked Richard Jewell's name to the press as the Atlanta Olympic Centennial Park Bomber.
He was head of the FBI's Waco "nope, we didn't do anything wrong" investigation.
TWA Flight 800. Wen Ho Lee. Khobar Towers.
He was forced to resign over Richard Hanssen.
The only thing he got right is that asked Janet Reno for a special investigator into Chinese political contributions during the Clinton reelection - a request she turned down and an investigation he dropped.
I imagine we'll find out more and more about the Penn State Board of Trustees, things Freeh left out of his multi-million dollar, 400+- person interviewed, million+document reviewed, eight-month report.
Oh those rascally democrates! Someone contact ron brown for the info, oh............he’s gone to?
IIRC, the New York Post hired an independent detective to investigate this case. They ran an entire insert of their findings. There were 40 or so inconsistencies that have never been explained. Any investigative freepers out there who know how to search archives?
He's now just another notch on the klinton's death list.
Did you write that? If so, BRAVO! If not? Who did write it?
I would bet he was shot with a .22 and the bullet disintegrated in his head. It did not exit. A .38 would have exited -unless it was a wadcutter, maybe.
“The real mystery is how many in the US - and around the world - went the same way.”
Remember that man named Brown (?), Sec’y of Commerce, if I remember correctly? An entire airplane went down with him.
I asked him at the time (off the record, of course): “So, did Vince Foster really kill himself?”
“No. Well, let's put it this way: If he did, he didn't do it in the park, and not in those clothes!”
That's also consistent with shooting something after it's already dead. The blood has already started to coagulate and thicken which would explain no large splatter.
There is no blood pressure in the veins or arteries to to bleed off which again is constant with the reports.
You're right, the small trickle of blood is consistent with a .22 and even with that it doesn't sound like the muzzle was pressed against the skin.
Even the pressure from a .22 shell along with blood pressure of a live person, will cause blood vessels to burst and the pressure will be forced out somewhere.
You might recall there was a report he was found in his car in the WH parking lot, then the story changed.
More than likely somebody walked by his car and popped him with a .22, then the body was moved, or possibly the body was moved twice.
Popped somewhere else, moved to the WH parking lot, then moved a second time the Ft Marcy Park.
It is difficult to consider this discussion complete without including G. Gordon Liddy's confidentail witness.
All five witnesses say a Honda that was a different color than Vince’s Honda.
That’s how it looked to me back then.
Yes, I remember him.
I believe he was found with a hole in his head, and there was speculation he was shot by someone early at the crash site; then an examination “found” that, no, he was hit by a piece of flying debris.
Then it was all hushed up.
I agree. The brain has a massive blood-flow supply, and when the brain in disrupted by a bullet while the heart is still beating, blood loss is profuse.
I had the sad duty of putting a large stray dog out of her misery after her back was broken when a car hit her. I put a plastic trash bag under her head before I put a 9mm Glaser into her skull via the foramen magnum. Aside from the jolt of the bullet strike, she had zero reaction (instant oblivion) -- but the blood flow from her cranial orifices was copious.
Foster's shirt was reported to have virtually no blood on the front or sleeves. That is totally inconsistent with a brain shot while the heart is still beating. If he had held that gun and shot himself, his hands and sleeves --- and shirt front -- would have been bloody.
I've read everything I could find on the case. The reported evidence does not support the theory of Foster shooting himself in Ft. Marcy Park.
I hope I live to hear the true story of Vince.
Lie down and let your arms fall down by your sides. Which way are your palms facing?
My hands fall palm downward -- and it takes considerable effort to turn them palms upward! (To get them completely upward, I have to "tuck" my elbows into my sides -- with still more effort.)
0.45” round hole in the top of his skull — and a “shower” of lead fragments inside his skull...
That part of the mystery isn't quite so mysterious. Foster never drove his car to the White House that day. Either his wife or son drove him or he went by public transit or cab. He never used that car that day. Who had the car most of the day? In all probability, his "high maintenance" wife, with whom he wasn't getting along well and who, shortly after his death, remarried to a Clinton-appointed federal judge. She said she played tennis that morning with another White House wife from Arkansas. How do you think she got to her tennis game?
Take another look at the day's events and keep the wife in mind as a key suspect in the plot and you can explain things a lot more readily!!!
Please see my post # 32. The wife had the car most of the day, then provided it to the killers who drove it to the park after the dirty deed was done to fake the "suicide."
When you consider the wife as a suspect and her story of the day's events as a cover-up, you can solve an important part of this mystery.
I can buy that theory.
You are referring to the coroner's autopsy report. Consider the autopsy report a fraud and an important part of the cover-up. The forensic pathologist was told what to do and he followed orders.
Men do not sit with their legs straight and flat on the ground. If he straightened his legs when shot, there would have been signs of a “kick” and the heels of his shoes digging into the dirt. There wasn't.
The body was placed there, then he was shot with the .38
There is also no evidence of any damage to his mouth from the recoil of the gun or from the gun being forced into his mouth.
Not possible if he shot himself, and it's also not possible if someone else shot him when he was alive.
He was never shot with that ancient .38 of WWI era vintage that was find on the scene. He was killed with a .22 shot to the neck elsewhere, then the body was transported the park. The ancient .38 was added to the scene to fake a "suicide." It turned out to be a pretty clumsy fake, with a weapon that a real suicide would most unlikely to choose.
I never heard that type of personality attributed to his wife. But, I found it strange that she made one statement about the gun not being his and then just flat out disappeared, never to be heard from again.
No way. She was heard from again all right, making a phony statement and audacious request to government investigators (don't recall exactly who) through her Clintonista lawyer several months after the death.
And she did a big interview in the left-leaning New Yorker magazine with a writer named Peter Boyer (who you might see on TV occasionally these days), published in 1995. There are about five important false statements regarding the fatal day in that interview which are inconsistent with the evidence, false statements used in all likelihood to cover up her involvement in the plot. In one she states that her husband drove the car to the White House that morning, whereas there is no record of the car ever being on the White House campus that day. The truth is that she herself probably had control of that car for the morning and early afternoon.
I don’t have a doubt he was killed somewhere else, and it was probably a .22, but he was apparently shot a second time after he had been moved to the park. In fact the body may have been moved twice.
It may or may not have been that .38, but everything indicates he was shot a second time after he was dead.
BTTT for a MOST EXCELLENT THREAD on the Vince Foster murder.
Especially justiceseeker93’s posts 32,33,34,35,37 & 39.
Someday the truth will emerge.
Now why would the gunmen want to shoot him a second time after he was dead? Hardly makes any sense for them. No advantage whatsoever to them to do that. And two major disadvantages: (1) the second shot could possibly be heard and attract attention from people within hearing distance and (2) two or more shots rule out "suicide" as an explanation and definitely make it a homicide as far as investigators are concerned.
The fact the the Clintons sent Craig Livingstone to the morgue to identify the body was probably one of the most curious elements to me.
The "identification of the body" was just a ruse for Livingstone to slip into the morgue and put the car keys in his his pocket in order to give credibility to the "suicide" farce. There were no car keys in his pocket when the Park Police saw him in Fort Marcy. Unfortunately, in an incredible lapse of police procedure, the Park Police allowed Livingstone a few minutes with the body unattended.
More needs to come out publicly about this murder.
A .38 in the mouth would wipe out the traces and make it appear as if he had killed himself with a shot to the mouth. The small wound to the neck would go unnoticed. A .38 to the mouth is definitely fatal whereas a small wound to the neck isn't.
Because of the isolated location, a single gunshot would go unnoticed, and even if it was noticed a single gunshot is almost untraceable especially in an urban setting with other loud noises.
Even I can't trace where someone is if they are poaching on my property and there is a single gunshot. One shot doesn't tell me if they are on my property or the property next to me. It takes at least two shots to locate where the sound is coming from, and even then I'm still not sure if it's from my property or the next property.
You might want to check out all the “suicide” cases associated with the Clinton's before you make ridiculous claims about suicide being ruled out for any reason.
The FBI files CL got were also a ruse.
That was done to cover up for the real FBI files, files that were used to blackmail the DEMOCTATES.
You saw it during BC’s impeachment when the dems voted in lockstep to keep the Clinton trash in office.
The real files were the files Janet Reno said she would release if she was confirmed as AG, but instead of releasing the files she fired all the US Attorneys to cover up what was in the files.
It's a matter of public record, so all you left wing freaks out there reading this can cram it, Bill Clinton was in a number of those files and he needed the US Attorneys fired to cover it up.
Vince Fosters job was to surround Bill Clinton with people that also needed the US Attorneys fired. Janet Reno, Warren Christopher, Lee Brown, Henry Cisneros all need the US Attorneys fired.
In VF’s so called suicide note, he makes a comment something to the effect that “destroying people's lives is considered sport”, that's a reference to Kimba Wood and Zoey Baird.
They were nominated with the intent of torpedoing their nomination so they could bring Reno in since Reno needed the US Attorneys fired.
In short, VF was spilling his guts when suddenly he went silent.
It’s a wonder Livingstone is alive. He could make millions off a book. Maybe when Bubba’s days are done, he’ll come out of the shadows and tell the truth about Hillary.
The Clinton White House didn't need any Dem FBI files to keep their troops in line. Just perhaps a reminder of the Clinton Body Count.
In VFs so called suicide note, he makes a comment something to the effect that destroying people's lives is considered sport, that's a reference to Kimba Wood and Zoey Baird.
Keep in mind that VF himself did not write that "suicide" note. Expert handwriting analysis revealed it was not in his writing.
The files would have pretty much wiped out the dem party.
It wasn't a direct threat against any one member of congress but a threat to the dem party as a whole.
Pretty tough to get yourself elected as a dem without the black vote.
That was the initial threat.
Expose the dems as being responsible for police not being held accountable for abuse and corruption, not the BS story of Repub racism that was developed with the R King case.
I said so called suicide note for a reason.