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Quiet, unassuming San Diegan accused of mass murder
San Diego Union-Tribune ^ | 7/20/2012 | Peter Rowe and John Wilkens

Posted on 07/21/2012 12:41:12 AM PDT by South40

James Holmes, a 2006 Westview High graduate, accused of killing, wounding 70 in Colorado theater

He was as quiet and unassuming as the middle-class North County neighborhood where he grew up. Before he was arrested after a deadly shooting spree in a Colorado movie theater, James Eagan Holmes was known as a loner — shy, smart, a bit odd.

But not, people thought, dangerous.

“We were honors students — that always has a little bit of a stigma of being weird, right?” said Jessica Cade, who knew Holmes when they were both UC Riverside undergraduates. “But I never would have thought he would do something like this, never considered him to be a ‘lunatic’ or ‘deranged’ like the news is calling him.”

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To: South40
Well, there are some interesting gaps in the backstory being constructed by the media. The family is reportedly “churchgoing.” No attempted portrayal beyond this very simple description, and I've learned over the years that a media hostile to Christianity will run with every potential to bias public perception. But, nothing. So, there's something.

Thus far, there has been no attempt to flesh out just why his mother was reported to have reacted as she did, that they had the right guy. She knew, whether that means something more specific or that he had been erratic and perceivably a danger to the public, no one is saying.

His father is listed as “Senior.” This means there is a “Junior.” No mention of siblings.

No attempt to rectify the early identification by a Muslim name, either. Could he have identified himself by that name, sort of like that little Marin County cretin? No indication.

White, churchgoing, highly intelligent, quiet loner is all that is being written. It fits the infernal narrative. Therefore, it's suspect in my mind, given the loose threads. He's not what he's been purported to be thus far.

51 posted on 07/21/2012 7:16:38 AM PDT by RegulatorCountry
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To: jazzlite

I’m sorry but I take a form of Vicodin for my back. Have for years. I get no feeling of euphoria and certainly no feeling that I can do whatever I like. No anger either (unless Hubby doesn’t pick up his dirty clothes for the umpteenth time that week LOL). As for judgement, I seem to have more sense about the use of Vicodin than you!


52 posted on 07/21/2012 7:31:54 AM PDT by CAluvdubya (I just try to stay out of the fray...)
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To: RegulatorCountry
Therefore, it's suspect in my mind, given the loose threads. He's not what he's been purported to be thus far.

It will eventually come out--Just like the initial reports on the Columbine shooting--Initially described as a picture perfect family etc etc

But it won't fit what the MSM want it to be so the truth will not be highly publicized

Things like this don't just happen out of the blue with "Normal " people involved
53 posted on 07/21/2012 7:37:54 AM PDT by uncbob
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To: Veto!
Perhaps he’s been on legal prescription drugs like Ritalin all his life.

How ignorant!

54 posted on 07/21/2012 7:40:05 AM PDT by lonestar (It takes a village of idiots to elect a village idiot.)
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To: South40

His mother knows and isn’t saying. I suspect he had a one history of psychiatric problems the were quietly “taken care of” and were getting word all the time.


55 posted on 07/21/2012 7:49:56 AM PDT by libstripper
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To: All

You are all missing the point!

This was the work of a devoted anarchist who was a member of the Occupy Black Bloc, the violent wing of OWS.

He was ready for a fight. The body armor, leg armor, throat guards, helmet and vicodin show this man was ready for combat. The vicodin would allow him to continue fighting if a bullet got through his protection.

The tear gas served three purposes. It concealed his location, created panic and caused eye and throat irritaton to anyone who may have had a firearm.

10 police officers could have been in that theater with their weapons and James Holmes would have probably killed them all.

This was well-planned. Think Ted Kazinski, not Jared Loughner.


56 posted on 07/21/2012 7:53:21 AM PDT by Erik Latranyi (When religions have to beg the gov't for a waiver, we are already under socialism.)
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To: Erik Latranyi

What’s your insight into his Occupy membership, other than the completely speculative comments from the detective in Florida who had less knowledge of the guy than 95% of everybody on FR?


57 posted on 07/21/2012 7:58:31 AM PDT by nascarnation
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To: nascarnation
What’s your insight into his Occupy membership, other than the completely speculative comments from the detective in Florida who had less knowledge of the guy than 95% of everybody on FR?

There is corroborating information that he was a member of Occupy Black Bloc and that he frequented anarchist websites.

This was the most dangerous type of liberal--- sane, calculating and deliberate.

58 posted on 07/21/2012 8:04:54 AM PDT by Erik Latranyi (When religions have to beg the gov't for a waiver, we are already under socialism.)
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To: Erik Latranyi

Link please?


59 posted on 07/21/2012 8:06:14 AM PDT by nascarnation
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To: uncbob

Where does an unemployed former McDonalds worker come up with the cash to outfit himself like a one man SWAT team? That’s another loose thread in the narrative.


60 posted on 07/21/2012 8:06:50 AM PDT by RegulatorCountry
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To: RegulatorCountry
Where does an unemployed former McDonalds worker come up with the cash to outfit himself like a one man SWAT team? That’s another loose thread in the narrative.

He was on unemployment, I believe.

He was an anarchist. He may have been given funds to do this.

61 posted on 07/21/2012 8:17:55 AM PDT by Erik Latranyi (When religions have to beg the gov't for a waiver, we are already under socialism.)
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To: Momto2
Wouldn't he need to first complete a Master's degree before entering a PhD program?

No. You start your PhD after your BS. You go for your MS if you don't plan on going for your PhD. In some programs, you get your MS along the way, or get an MS as a consolation prize if you don't get to complete the PhD.

62 posted on 07/21/2012 8:21:50 AM PDT by PapaBear3625 (If I can't be persuasive, I at least hope to be fun.)
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To: Erik Latranyi

You’re very insistent upon a connection that is tenuous at present. Make your case providing specifics, please. I have the sense myself that there is more than meets the eye here, but it’s far from established, as to just what that might be.


63 posted on 07/21/2012 8:23:28 AM PDT by RegulatorCountry
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To: nascarnation
First, a little background on the PI:

Private Detective Bill Warner is a member of the FBI Partner InfraGard and has worked as a Confidential Informant (CI) for Immigration Customs Enforcement (ICE) and the U.S. Secret Service on smuggled stolen cars scam and money laundering cases.

Occupy Wall Street Names Colorado Massacre Shooter James Holmes as Occupy Black Bloc Member

Report: Batman Shooter Is Black Bloc #Occupier

64 posted on 07/21/2012 8:24:20 AM PDT by Erik Latranyi (When religions have to beg the gov't for a waiver, we are already under socialism.)
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To: hadaclueonce
MSM reported he had 6000 rounds of ammo in his apartment. The same time they reported that they had not even entered his apartment.

The police chief said he had purchased 3000 rds of .223, 3000 rds of .40 and 300 rds of 12 ga on the internet recently. (He said it like that was a bad thing)

65 posted on 07/21/2012 8:26:32 AM PDT by MileHi ( "It's coming down to patriots vs the politicians." - ovrtaxt)
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To: RegulatorCountry
You’re very insistent upon a connection that is tenuous at present. Make your case providing specifics, please. I have the sense myself that there is more than meets the eye here, but it’s far from established, as to just what that might be.

See my post #64. OWS, themselves, identified him as a member of Occupy Black Bloc.

66 posted on 07/21/2012 8:27:20 AM PDT by Erik Latranyi (When religions have to beg the gov't for a waiver, we are already under socialism.)
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To: Erik Latranyi

OK the guy knows how to put up a blog and vid with a lot of provocative images but little in the way of facts.

That’s my view of it.


67 posted on 07/21/2012 8:30:02 AM PDT by nascarnation
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To: corkoman
There is a bigger 'scourge' today and that is Nanny Staters who wish to impose their notion of how things should be on others.

Quite right.

Thanks

68 posted on 07/21/2012 8:30:21 AM PDT by MileHi ( "It's coming down to patriots vs the politicians." - ovrtaxt)
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To: MileHi

(He said it like that was a bad thing)
Should’nt have been drinking coffee when I read this.


69 posted on 07/21/2012 8:34:39 AM PDT by catfur
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To: Erik Latranyi

Obama is all set to sigh the UN gun ban treaty and then this happens. Coincidence?


70 posted on 07/21/2012 8:39:32 AM PDT by aomagrat (Gun owners who vote for democrats are too stupid to own guns.)
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To: Erik Latranyi

Obama is all set to sign the UN gun ban treaty and then this happens. Coincidence?


71 posted on 07/21/2012 8:39:59 AM PDT by aomagrat (Gun owners who vote for democrats are too stupid to own guns.)
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To: RegulatorCountry
He purchased 4 firearms, 6300 rds of ammo and the tac gear, presumably in the last 3 months. That looks like +/- $2000 per month beyond normal expenses. That is pretty good cash flow, or he ran up his plastic.
72 posted on 07/21/2012 8:45:56 AM PDT by MileHi ( "It's coming down to patriots vs the politicians." - ovrtaxt)
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To: aomagrat

Obama is all set to sign the UN gun ban treaty and then this happens. Coincidence?

The media , Obama , and UN are trying to take our right to bear arms away.These same Marxists are also planning to put the UN in control of the Internet( google it)


73 posted on 07/21/2012 8:55:03 AM PDT by rurgan (Sunset all laws at 4 years.China is destroying U.S. ability to manufacture,makes everything)
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To: catfur
Chiefy wanted to make an editorial comment so bad he could spit. Instead, he repeated “purchased on the internet” 10 or 12 times when he reported on the ammo.

Aurora gummint is definitely progressive.

74 posted on 07/21/2012 9:02:31 AM PDT by MileHi ( "It's coming down to patriots vs the politicians." - ovrtaxt)
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To: libstripper

You may be right but I wonder if peope with high IQ’s weave I and out of madness?.


75 posted on 07/21/2012 9:39:39 AM PDT by Vaduz
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To: Vaduz

I don’t know about the question of people with really high IQs. However, I do know of a suicide in my own family that almost fit this pattern. The individual, to whom I will give the pseudonym of “Joe” for this discussion, suffered a severe brain injury in an auto accident when he was about 12 and appeared to recover from it. Indeed, he got into the IT industry when he was inis 40’s and was doing so well he received a significant promotion and was viewed as a “stellar” performer. Nobody outside the family ever knew about his brain injury. Over Christmas of 2010-2011 he went into a manic high that I will not describe further, other than to say it showed he had something seriously wrong. Come summer of 2011 his roller coaster dropped him into a profoundly depressed low. At that point he meticulously planned and committed a suicide.

All of that, with the carefully concealed illness of a highly intelligent man and the functionally rational planning of the final act, is eerily similar to what appears to have happened in Denver.


76 posted on 07/21/2012 10:03:19 AM PDT by libstripper
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To: libstripper

Sorry to hear about the family member.Hope that some day they can find a concealed illness before it’s to late.

So many things in the world can and will kill us,life is a struggle and some times we forget that.


77 posted on 07/21/2012 10:12:16 AM PDT by Vaduz
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To: libstripper

Sorry to hear about the family member.Hope that some day they can find a concealed illness before it’s to late.

So many things in the world can and will kill us,life is a struggle and some times we forget that.


78 posted on 07/21/2012 10:18:03 AM PDT by Vaduz
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To: Vaduz

That’s exactly why my betting about Holmes is that he had a concealed mental illness, well known to his parents, that became suddenly and catastrophically apparent.


79 posted on 07/21/2012 10:19:16 AM PDT by libstripper
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To: Jyotishi
Somtin ain’t right with that boy, look at those ears.

Alien-human hybrid???????????

80 posted on 07/21/2012 10:25:38 AM PDT by Texas Songwriter (Ia)
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To: Loud Mime

Look at the pictures when he was much younger and had brown hair....YOUR Gaydar will be going off.


81 posted on 07/21/2012 11:04:10 AM PDT by Ann Archy ( ABORTION...the HUMAN Sacrifice to the god of Convenience.)
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To: tet68
I read in the British pubs that he had just taken a course in abnormal psychiatry.

In Britain the pub is the natural cultural meeting place of the community. A beer, a pork pie, a game of darts, and learning about any new abnormal psychiatrists.

82 posted on 07/21/2012 11:44:24 AM PDT by Oztrich Boy (Literals will believe anything.)
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To: Momto2

Good point about the MS.

My point is that *neuroscience* seems to me to be awfully specific for an undergrad degree. I have known people with degrees in Neuropsychology and they had PhDs.

I did a quick search and actually, this seems to be a boutique program in Social Sciences and Humanities and usually results in a B.A. It blends courses in chemistry, biology, physics, psychology, math and computer sciences. Topics include hormones and behavior, psychopharmacology, genome biology and immunology.

It appears to be a tarted-up psych degree. If you accept that many psych students are looking for self-explanations, then it could be the shooter knew full well he had problems and was looking for an answer.


83 posted on 07/21/2012 11:54:53 AM PDT by reformedliberal
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To: reformedliberal

His father is in the same field of neuroscience, having been involved in the creation of predictive modeling software that went beyond statistical inference and into psychological profiling. The company was bought out by Fair-Isaacs, the providers of the ubiquitous FICO score used in determining creditworthiness. Prior to this, his father was involved in related work for DARPA.


84 posted on 07/21/2012 12:02:24 PM PDT by RegulatorCountry
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To: RegulatorCountry

Now that is verrrrrry interesting!


85 posted on 07/21/2012 12:08:36 PM PDT by reformedliberal
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To: reformedliberal

You’d think such an individual would be better qualified than most to spot a psychotic break with reality or a descent into schizophrenia.


86 posted on 07/21/2012 12:22:46 PM PDT by RegulatorCountry
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To: South40

Westview High School is where Funky Winkerbean and his friends went to high school—but they graduated in 1988 when Holmes was a baby.


87 posted on 07/21/2012 12:34:31 PM PDT by Verginius Rufus
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To: reformedliberal

The conspiracy buffs are going to have a field day. This sort of research can involve implantable biomimetics and cortical neural prosthetics, the “implant” fear of tinfoil hatters and schizophrenics the world over.


88 posted on 07/21/2012 12:45:45 PM PDT by RegulatorCountry
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To: corkoman

When I read 100mg Vicodin, I assumed he meant 100mg Hydrocodone, or 10 Norco tabs. If “Vicodin” that’s 20 tabs, or about 7000mg Tylenol (maybe 6500?), which would make you sicker than crap very fast. What is that, 3X max daily allowed?

I don’t believe he pounded down 20 Vicodin.


89 posted on 07/21/2012 1:05:47 PM PDT by Cyber Liberty (Obama considers the Third World morally superior to the United States.)
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To: RegulatorCountry

Very interesting.

Any info on the mom?


90 posted on 07/21/2012 1:20:11 PM PDT by combat_boots (The Lion of Judah cometh. Hallelujah. Gloria Patri, Filio et Spiritui Sancto.)
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To: combat_boots

RN, not much else.


91 posted on 07/21/2012 1:21:26 PM PDT by RegulatorCountry
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To: nascarnation

There was a thread about it being “their guy” (Black Bloc...also the guys who wanted to bomb that bridge in Cleveland) at the Occupy Wall Street .org website forum, but it’s been pulled (I just went looking to see if it’s still there and it’s not).

If OWS claims him as their own, that is good enough for me.

http://occupywallst.org/forum/


92 posted on 07/21/2012 1:25:07 PM PDT by Cyber Liberty (Obama considers the Third World morally superior to the United States.)
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To: jazzlite

I haven’t heard about the 100 mg of Vicodin. Where did you hear/read this?


93 posted on 07/21/2012 2:17:13 PM PDT by little jeremiah (Courage is not simply one of the virtues, but the form of every virtue at the testing point. CSLewis)
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To: golux; DB
Just spent all day in his computer world choosing weapons and shooting people. This how we become what we do.

But he never smoked.

94 posted on 07/21/2012 4:12:18 PM PDT by Kenny Bunk (What Hawaii gave to Obama, was not what Obama gave to us.)
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95 posted on 07/21/2012 5:44:50 PM PDT by UCANSEE2 (Lame and ill-informed post)
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To: Veto!
His mother didn’t doubt he was the shooter. Perhaps he’s been on legal prescription drugs like Ritalin all his life.

Or maybe antidepressants. I've seen those things to weird things to peoples' personalities, and erode emotional depth, whether it be positive or negative emotions.

I'm sure there will be more facts emerging which will help place this insanity in some sort of context...

96 posted on 07/21/2012 6:26:38 PM PDT by sargon (I don't like the sound of these "boncentration bamps")
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To: Cyber Liberty

Wish he did scarf 100 mg hydrocodone - its not likely he have been awake to do much.


97 posted on 07/21/2012 9:26:45 PM PDT by corkoman (Release the Palin!)
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