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An AR-15 rifle and Glock handguns: the legal weapons of James Holmes(al-Guardian)
The Guardian ^

Posted on 07/21/2012 11:40:47 PM PDT by matt04

James Holmes is responsible for one of the largest mass shootings of its kind in US history – but it did not result in the largest number of deaths.

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The police said he appeared to have legally purchased all of the weapons, including a second pistol found in Holmes's car.

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Shotguns and handguns have always been readily available in Colorado, but until eight years ago Holmes would not have been able to buy the AR-15 semi-automatic assault rifle he was carrying quite so easily.

The manufacture and import of AR-15s and similar weapons, such as AK-47s, were banned in the US in 1994. There were also limits on the size of magazines that could be fitted, limiting them to holding no more than 10 bullets.

Those prohibitions fell away 10 years later, and attempts to revive them have failed in the face of objections from the powerful National Rifle Association allowing Holmes not only to purchase the powerful weapon but also to fit it with the magazine drum holding a large number of bullets.

The Brady Campaign to Prevent Gun Violence gives Colorado a score of just 15 points out of 100 in assessing adequate gun control laws. It criticises the state for not restricting bulk purchases of weapons, for failing to record identification of weapons so they can be traced, for failing to require any permits to buy a weapon and for permitting large magazines of the kind used by Holmes.

Colorado permits people to carry loaded and concealed weapons with a licence. The NRA is fighting a legal case against the requirement for a permit.

(Excerpt) Read more at guardian.co.uk ...


TOPICS: Culture/Society; News/Current Events; US: Colorado
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Correct me if I'm wrong, but didn't the AWB signed allow the AR-15 and other weapons to still be manufactured and sold, just without certain features, such as a collapsible stock while retaining the actual functionality of the gun?

This being the Guaridan I am highly suspect of their reporting.

1 posted on 07/21/2012 11:40:56 PM PDT by matt04
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To: matt04

I think the democrats have finally found their issue for Election 2012. We’ll probably see less Bain and income tax attacks now. They will still talk about Bain/Romney’s Taxes but they are now (smiling inside) that “the Joker” handed them their issue and something to stand for.


2 posted on 07/21/2012 11:46:17 PM PDT by tsowellfan (http://www.cafenetamerica.com/)
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To: matt04

I say let’s have a movie theatre where anybody with a CHL can walk in with a loaded rifle of their choice and see how many mass murders that place has.

I’d be packing my M1A, no “bullet-proof vest” short of ceramic plates has a chance of stopping that.

I’m willing to bet my house no way 12 people die from being shot by some little pussy in a “bullet-proof” vest. Especially nobody with faggy flame-red hair, that guy might get clipped just walking in.


3 posted on 07/21/2012 11:48:42 PM PDT by West Texas Chuck (Alcohol, Tobacco and Firearms. That should be a convenience store, not a Government Agency.)
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To: tsowellfan

Almost as if it is just what the young man wanted......


4 posted on 07/21/2012 11:49:17 PM PDT by BenLurkin (This is not a statement of fact. It is either opinion or satire; or both)
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To: matt04
Ye, it generally banned US production of semi-auto detachable mag rifles with more than one "evil feature:" ie. flash hider (but not muzzle brake or compensator), threaded barrel, bayonet lug(?!), collapsable/folding buttstock, and pistol grip. For an AR15, most people kept the pistol grip.

And you could still use existing grandfathered 10rd+ magazines with them. There were some similar regulations regarding pistols and semi-auto shotguns.

5 posted on 07/21/2012 11:51:25 PM PDT by Trailerpark Badass
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To: BenLurkin

If we don’t hear anything more about his political affiliations I’d say taht is a good possibility. If he was a Republican/Tea Party member we would have heard about it from day one.


6 posted on 07/21/2012 11:58:06 PM PDT by matt04
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To: matt04

My state of Texas has unrestricted features on my AR style semi-auto utility rifles.

I check fence on a ATV an my HBAR in 6.5 Grendel rides on the rack with a redi mag an 10x leupold Mk 4 . Gets covered in mud, works in all environments.

Donating cash to my Texas state rifle association an NRA to keep fighting the liberal socialist bedwetters agenda.

BLOAT an vote with yer dollars between elections ...

My opinion


7 posted on 07/21/2012 11:59:09 PM PDT by Squantos
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To: tsowellfan
I think the democrats have finally found their issue for Election 2012.

Oh, goodie!!! Please, please, please, please, please let this be the sole issue of the numbskull D-Rats for the 2012 election. It will sink them for decades.

8 posted on 07/21/2012 11:59:46 PM PDT by fwdude ( You cannot compromise with that which you must defeat.)
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To: Trailerpark Badass

Thanks. That’s what I though.


9 posted on 07/22/2012 12:01:52 AM PDT by matt04
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To: matt04
matt04 said: "... didn't the AWB signed allow the AR-15 and other weapons to still be manufactured and sold, just without certain features, ..."

Yep.

Anti-gunners may have been surprised to learn that a bayonet lug is really not all that essential to having a so-called "assault weapon".

Here in the People's Republik of Kalifornia, they have figured out that it is the evil pistol grip that really makes a so-called "assault weapon" powerful.

So, if you can do without the evil plastic pistol grip, and the evil flash-suppressor, and the evil folding-stock, then you can have a semi-automatic, center-fire, magazine-fed rifle. (For some reason, the state of Kalifornia doesn't outlaw the evil bayonet lugs, as far as I know.)

Kalifornia has outlawed the transfer of magazines holding more than 10 cartridges. Those who had them prior to the law and who didn't lose them in an unfortunate boating accident, can use them.

Just prior to the passage of the federal "assault weapons" ban, manufacturers tooled up for the expected dramatic increase in demand for normal capacity magazines. Any hint of a future ban will send manufacturing into orbit to fill orders.

10 posted on 07/22/2012 12:03:49 AM PDT by William Tell
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To: matt04
They don't call for the banning of cars, even though 30,000 per year die at the hands of cars. That would interfere with their conveniences.

When I was 16, and took driver's ed class, one of the first things our wise instructor said to us was:

"A car is a weapon".

And they will say, yeah, but drivers don't intend to kill.

Yeah, but the dead guy doesn't care whether he died from a bullet or a car wreck.

He's dead, just the same.

I had a first cousin who died in a car wreck, just before he shipped out for Viet Nam. He was the oldest son. My Aunt and Uncle were devastated, just as bad as if he would have died over there.

11 posted on 07/22/2012 12:11:50 AM PDT by FlyVet
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To: matt04

That reads like a bleeding heart liberal whine! If the murderer had been limited to only a shotgun, he would likely have been firing slugs and buckshot continually and more than twelve would have died. The AR in close tends to go right through. A 12 or even 20 gauge slug destroys a whole lot more when it hits. With the UN agenda heating up before the Colorado shooting, the media working for the globalist agenda were ready to publish lots of hyperbolic crap about personal defense weaponry. molon labe


12 posted on 07/22/2012 12:18:10 AM PDT by MHGinTN (Being deceived can be cured.)
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To: Squantos
My state of Texas has unrestricted features on my AR style semi-auto utility rifles.

I often take it for granted what all we have access to that others don't outside of here. I was checking out every configuration of AR imaginable today. Few legal in several other States (probably none in California unless you get a fixed magazine or one of those stupid modifications to the grip.

13 posted on 07/22/2012 12:27:34 AM PDT by mnehring
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To: matt04

OK, great, so take away the rights of the criminal, Holmes, just as he took away the rights of his victims.

I did nothing wrong, neither did my brother, or my neighbor, so don’t even dream of taking away our rights, because that would be just as criminal as what Holmes did, just using a different tool, the pen...

You know, I can’t really see much difference between Holmes and gun grabbers.

Both ARE ABSOLUTE COWARDS who dress themselves with as much power as they can in order to assail victims who have far less power.

In the case of Holmes, he armed himself to the teeth with weaponry and defensive gear in order to murder women, children and babies.

In the case of gun grabbers, they seek to disarm those who empowered them in order to to have their way with us without any fear, which is essentially what Holmes did by attacking such a soft target. The only difference is that the grabbers dress in suits, pant suits and wield pens, but they also want their victims to be incapable of any response of consequence.

COWARDS.


14 posted on 07/22/2012 12:35:02 AM PDT by chris37 (Heartless.)
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To: mnehring

Yep. ... Agree.

I like the utility of the little black rifles.

Mine aren’t going anywhere regardless of politics.

Nite !


15 posted on 07/22/2012 12:44:21 AM PDT by Squantos
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To: matt04

Why do they obcess so? A few years ago, a Brit killed a large number of kids in a kndergarten? Despite a strict man on the kind of gun he was carrying.


16 posted on 07/22/2012 12:47:58 AM PDT by RobbyS (Christus rex.)
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To: matt04

Hey you europeans...Hilarious you lecture us...

Strictest gun control?

Can you say “NORWAY”? Seven times as many dead!


17 posted on 07/22/2012 1:00:21 AM PDT by Recovering Ex-hippie
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To: matt04

Hey you europeans...Hilarious you lecture us...

Strictest gun control?

Can you say “NORWAY”? Seven times as many dead!


18 posted on 07/22/2012 1:00:29 AM PDT by Recovering Ex-hippie
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To: matt04
I'm gonna turn in my G19 & AR15 because I'll be so much safer with my mobile phone & the ability to call 9-1-1. Hopefully I wouldn't have to wait too long; maybe the bad guy would have a change of heart seeing how I was prepared to call the police.

Yeah, my mobile phone is the great equalizer. When an armed assailant (or anyone stronger than me) attacks, I'm gonna feel so good about packin' my mobile phone!

My mobile phone has a Safety Off feature - when the battery runs out of juice, the safety of dialing 9-1-1 would off... of my list of options.

A mobile phone society is a polite society.

When seconds count... I better have 9-1-1 on SPEED DIAL!

/gulping down the kool-aid sarc
19 posted on 07/22/2012 1:54:24 AM PDT by MonicaG (God bless our military! Praying and thanking God for you every day. Thank you!)
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To: RobbyS

“Why do they obcess so?”

Because it’s their final means of total at will Extortion.

(To steal others assets through the use of threats and /or duress. The plan of the Mandate)


20 posted on 07/22/2012 2:08:29 AM PDT by Varsity Flight (Extortion-Care is the Government Work-Camp: Arbeitsziehungslager)
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To: RobbyS

“Why do they obcess so?”

Because it’s their final means of total outright Extortion.

(To steal others assets through the use of threats and /or duress. The plan of the Mandate)


21 posted on 07/22/2012 2:09:40 AM PDT by Varsity Flight (Extortion-Care is the Government Work-Camp: Arbeitsziehungslager)
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To: matt04; tsowellfan

Are they also going to ban tubular magazines, shotguns, bolt and lever action rifles? My old Marlin .22 semiautomatic I had as a teen/young adult could’ve caused almost as much damage as whatever weapons the alleged suspect might have used. Any pawn shop will sell you one for less than $100 and how much does a brick of .22 LR cost?


22 posted on 07/22/2012 2:18:04 AM PDT by 2ndDivisionVet (You cannot invade the mainland United States. There would be a rifle behind every blade of grass.)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Good question!

What they want to do is parade the victims of the shooting to Congress and demand tight gun controls. That’s what they’re saying on twitter.


23 posted on 07/22/2012 2:23:17 AM PDT by tsowellfan (http://www.cafenetamerica.com/)
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To: matt04
He had a 100 rd magazine attached to his AR15. Here in Ohio, it's illegal to attach such a magazine to a rifle or handgun so I therefore conclude that this tragedy couldn't possibly have occurred in Ohio because the shooter would have been deterred by the prospect of having a weapons charge tacked onto his multiple murder charges.
24 posted on 07/22/2012 3:21:12 AM PDT by RC one (this space intentionally left blank)
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To: matt04; All
Why is the media saying Holms is the worst mass killer in U.S history?

The Texas tower sniper tragedy took more lives:

Charles Joseph Whitman (June 24, 1941 – August 1, 1966) was a student at the University of Texas at Austin and a former Marine who killed 16 people and wounded 32 others (a total of 49 victims including himself) during a shooting rampage on and around the university's campus on August 1, 1966.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Charles_Whitman

25 posted on 07/22/2012 3:58:23 AM PDT by patriot08 (TEXAS GAL- born and bred and proud of it!)
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To: tsowellfan

What percentage of the legally owned guns in our nation are killing innocent people?

Anybody know?


26 posted on 07/22/2012 4:05:53 AM PDT by gortklattu (God knows who is best, everybody else is making guesses - Tony Snow)
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To: chris37

Both ARE ABSOLUTE COWARDS who dress themselves with as much power as they can in order to assail victims who have far less power.


Good Point!


27 posted on 07/22/2012 4:07:52 AM PDT by gortklattu (God knows who is best, everybody else is making guesses - Tony Snow)
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To: patriot08

William Bonin, John Wayne Gacy and Jeff Dahmer (google around for many, many more) killed lots of people. Let’s outlaw homosexuality.


28 posted on 07/22/2012 4:12:25 AM PDT by gortklattu (God knows who is best, everybody else is making guesses - Tony Snow)
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To: patriot08

Whitman was kept pinned down by the erratic return fire of citizens with deer rifles. If it hadn’t been for the citizens, Whitman’s number would have been much higher. I watched the incident on live TV from the Austin feed.


29 posted on 07/22/2012 4:17:11 AM PDT by vetvetdoug
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To: matt04

Just wondering about the UN vote for our guns...has it already happened? There are conspiracy theories out there because of the surrender not being psychologically consistent...

Article: Dick Morris: Obama to Sign UN Gun-Grab Treaty and RAM IT DOWN OUR THROATS

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-bloggers/2907881/posts

Just the messenger.


30 posted on 07/22/2012 5:25:56 AM PDT by huldah1776
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To: vetvetdoug

Fuel for thier agenda. If there ever was a coinsidence we may never know. The fact that we are not drilled every second on him being a teapartier or right leaning bible thumping gun loving rightwing nut we can all assume he is a liberal progressive left leaning drug user.


31 posted on 07/22/2012 5:27:44 AM PDT by ronnie raygun (bb)
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To: matt04

You are correct and in the People’s Republic of new Jersey that is how the AR STILL has to be fitted in order to purchase it.Otherwise it looks EVIL! Also can’t have bayonet lug and flash supressor.


32 posted on 07/22/2012 5:28:28 AM PDT by Renegade
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To: tsowellfan
I think the democrats have finally found their issue for Election 2012. We’ll probably see less Bain and income tax attacks now. They will still talk about Bain/Romney’s Taxes but they are now (smiling inside) that “the Joker” handed them their issue and something to stand for.

Isn't it amazing how the timing of this and similar gun abuse tragedies often seem to take place at convenient times and work to the benefit of democrats?

Could this be another "False Flag" operation rather than just a lone crazed gunman episode?

You can bet that the major media won't do any serious investigation.
They are already fully vested in using the tragedy as a springboard to push their anti-gun, anti-conservative agendas.


33 posted on 07/22/2012 5:42:03 AM PDT by Iron Munro ("Jiggle the Handle for Barry!")
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To: BenLurkin

The perfect arsenal to attack, to effect more gun control.One from column A,one from column B and upon entering the Presidency,i remember Obama,wanting to re-classify pump action shotguns as assault rifles. What a coincidence. All the major weapons groups they want banned are involved,While the Glaring lack of a revolver,would allow a politician,to feign Second Ammendment support,by saying you can keep your revolvers ( Knowing Americans need to have a Handgun ) and your over and under and side by side shotguns. If Obama signs an Executive Order,banning just the classifications of Firearms involved in this massacre,while exempting revolvers and over and under and side by side shot guns,you’ll know Obama’s thugs were involved as a pre-text to get Firearms banned.


34 posted on 07/22/2012 5:55:38 AM PDT by mark1973
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To: MonicaG

keyboard spew alert


35 posted on 07/22/2012 6:04:36 AM PDT by SteveH (First they ignore you. Then they laugh at you. Then they fight you. Then you win.)
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To: gortklattu
What percentage of the legally owned guns in our nation are killing innocent people?

0%

Guns don't kill people.

36 posted on 07/22/2012 6:12:30 AM PDT by 2111USMC (Aim Small, Miss Small)
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To: Trailerpark Badass

I live in the people’s republic of Mass. The ‘94 AWB is still in force here. 10 round magazines. Unless you are willing to pay for pre-ban 30 round mags if your style of rifle is pre-ban. I live near the smith and Wesson factory, and there are models built there that are available in CT, but they have to go through a year long approval process to become available here.

It really sucks.


37 posted on 07/22/2012 6:17:26 AM PDT by Vermont Lt (I just hate our government. All of them. Republican and Democrat.)
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To: matt04
Anybody know how this creep walked into the theater carrying all his hardware and body armor? He must have had an automobile sized gym bag; that alone is off the scale weird in a midnight movie screening. Personally, if I saw somebody bringing that into a theater, I'd be thinking ‘batman goofball whose going to jump out as batman and run around the theater’ or ‘psycho nutbar with who know what in that bag’. Either way, I'd get a seat real close to the door.
38 posted on 07/22/2012 6:34:01 AM PDT by WorkingClassFilth (I'm for Churchill in 1940!)
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To: matt04

“...but until eight years ago Holmes would not have been able to buy the AR-15 semi-automatic assault rifle...”

Welllllll...not quite.

AR-15’s already in the US were still available. The only thing AWB actually did was push up the retail prices of a specific class of firearms, and push some cosmetic changes.

The confusion is understandable, sadly, because the UK is already effectively disarmed and has been for some time.


39 posted on 07/22/2012 6:41:22 AM PDT by PubliusMM (RKBA; a matter of fact, not opinion. 01-20-2013: Change we can look forward to.)
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To: matt04
I have to believe that the gun grabbers don't really feeeeeeeeeeeeeel that if there were "gun laws" this killer (and criminals in general) would have realized at the last second, "Damn! I gotta send all these back.. it's illegal for me to have them."

.. there's something else at work and its origin stems from radical leftist stinking, especially the 1960s Marxist-Alinsky campus radicals and their ideological issue.. all psycho spoiled brats actually.

40 posted on 07/22/2012 7:02:14 AM PDT by WilliamofCarmichael (If modern America's Man on Horseback is out there, Get on the damn horse already!)
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To: matt04

I’m not a gun enthusiast, never fired a firearm and do not support gun control. That being said, why would the average citizen need more fire power than a hand gun, for personal protection or a rifle for hunting? Please enlighten.


41 posted on 07/22/2012 7:03:10 AM PDT by duckman (Dr Ben Carlson: Vision Not Division.)
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To: matt04

Brit newspapers looking for “insight.”


42 posted on 07/22/2012 7:07:53 AM PDT by Eric in the Ozarks (I didn't post this. Someone else did.)
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To: duckman
That being said, why would the average citizen need more fire power than a hand gun, for personal protection or a rifle for hunting? Please enlighten

Need is not the issue. Remember, the phrase "too many guns" should never be uttered. It is a falsehood, an outright travesty.

43 posted on 07/22/2012 7:15:42 AM PDT by Disambiguator
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To: Disambiguator

“Remember, the phrase “too many guns” should never be uttered”

Didn’t mean to imply one of each, I was referring to the type of firearm.


44 posted on 07/22/2012 7:21:19 AM PDT by duckman (Dr Ben Carlson: Vision Not Division.)
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To: Renegade

I have one of those NJ models. I have fixed stock instead of folding, big deal. I have no flash suppresor, it is louder. No bayonet lug, so what. Ten round magazine, just bring more magazines(allowed 15 round ones, but nobody makes them). Also cannot say Colt AR-15 on the gun, any other combination of letters is OK. Same with AK-47, WASR-10 is OK.
I’m just grateful the libs no nothing about guns. If they did, I would be really screwed here in NJ.


45 posted on 07/22/2012 7:22:05 AM PDT by gusty
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To: matt04

Society cannot stop crazy people from causing murder & mayhem.

This loon could have just as easily used a can of gasoline & matches to do just as much carnage, maybe more. Too, he could have driven a car into a crowd of people with similar results. There are infinite ways to commit mass murder without a gun.

It is not possible to remove all potential weapons from society without creating prison like conditions in public, & even in prison, murders occur all the time.

But, if every adult in the theater had been armed with a gun, the joke may have been on the Joker. It is likely far fewer people would have been killed & injured.

It is high time this country returns to the common sense that every law abiding adult has a responsibility to defend themselves & those around them. Police will never be able to stop this type of attack, but ONE person with a gun could have.


46 posted on 07/22/2012 7:24:06 AM PDT by Mister Da (The mark of a wise man is not what he knows, but what he knows he doesn't know!)
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To: matt04
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47 posted on 07/22/2012 7:26:06 AM PDT by FatherofFive (Islam is evil and must be eradicated)
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To: duckman

Your answer is in your statement. Your average hunting rifle is way more firepower than the so called assault rifle. If you can, take a 5.56 round(AR-15) place it next to a popular deer hunting round, say 30-06, and compare the size.
Ask yourself, Hobson’s choice, which one you would rather get hit with. Since hunting rifles are more powerful, what would would be the point in banning rifles less powerful. No matter how they look, they all work the same. Firing pin hits primer on cartridge, gun goes bang. Today’s military rifles are designed to be less powerful than yesterday’s bolt action rifles(equivalent to hunting rifles, their the same). Less hurt on shoulder, more ammo with smaller rounds, etc.


48 posted on 07/22/2012 7:40:02 AM PDT by gusty
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To: duckman

AR-15s are not high-powered rifles, but they are magazine fed, which can give them high-capacity. Most hunting rifles are chambered for cartridges that are much more powerful than the .223 Rem (5.56mm NATO).


49 posted on 07/22/2012 7:42:27 AM PDT by Disambiguator
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To: duckman

The error committed by gun control advocates is they don’t understand where the focus should be.

It doesn’t matter if law abiding citizens have AR 15s with 30 round capacity or 30-06 with a five round capacity. They’re not going to use it for murdering people

The focus should be on behavior. Murderous behavior is the problem.


50 posted on 07/22/2012 8:02:10 AM PDT by reasonisfaith (Why do you seek the living among the dead? (Luke 24:5))
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