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Rep. Ellison Calls For ‘Reasonable Gun Controls’ Following Colo. Shooting
WCCO (CBS Minnesota) ^ | July 24, 2012 | Pat Kessler

Posted on 07/24/2012 10:25:51 PM PDT by voteNRA

A Minnesota congressman is calling for important changes to federal firearm laws in the wake of the movie theater massacre in Colorado.

Democrat Keith Ellison says the U.S. should not just restrict assault weapons but it should also set limits on some gun clips, ammunition and body armor.

“Reasonable gun controls,” Ellison said. “It’s time.”

Ellison said Tuesday that you don’t need a bulletproof vest and an assault rifle to go hunting. He’s supporting laws to restrict some of the items the Colorado shooter used in his deadly rampage. .....

(Excerpt) Read more at minnesota.cbslocal.com ...


TOPICS: Crime/Corruption; Culture/Society; Front Page News; Government
KEYWORDS: 112th; 2012; banglist; brc; cair; cmsa; democrats; ellison; guncontrol; gungrabbers; islam; islamiclawmaker; keithellison; liberalfascism; muslim; muslimbrotherhood; noi; youwillnotdisarmus
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To: voteNRA

Yeah but like I said, it would be like whacking him with a brick.

Beats screaming for your life.


51 posted on 07/24/2012 11:30:05 PM PDT by mylife (The Roar Of The Masses Could Be Farts)
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To: mylife

my understanding from reading most threads is that someone in the front row got a cell call. He got up and left through the emergency door and blocked it from it closing completely. A few moments later the killer appears.

Question is, why was there no alarm.


52 posted on 07/24/2012 11:31:05 PM PDT by 1_Rain_Drop
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To: 1_Rain_Drop

My Question is how could that have been planned?


53 posted on 07/24/2012 11:34:02 PM PDT by mylife (The Roar Of The Masses Could Be Farts)
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To: mylife
At least I could hit him with that brick 16 times if my aim is true, then another 15 times if necessary. If he makes it after that, I guess I should have spent another $40 on a third mag.

You won't talk me out of that .357 purchase though, the deal has already been cleared by the wife! :~)

54 posted on 07/24/2012 11:34:20 PM PDT by voteNRA (A citizenry armed with rifles simply cannot be tyrannized)
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To: 1_Rain_Drop

I had thought of this.

Who opened that door?


55 posted on 07/24/2012 11:41:04 PM PDT by mylife (The Roar Of The Masses Could Be Farts)
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To: voteNRA

The word “hunting” does not appear in the Second Amendment. The Founders intended for U.S. citizens to have the right to arm themselves to guarantee their God-given liberty against government oppression.

Why doesn’t the Muslim Congressman go after the First Amendment right to make violent movies that inspire madmen instead?


56 posted on 07/24/2012 11:45:58 PM PDT by txrefugee
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To: mylife

Either the killer opened that door, or an inside accomplice.
I don’t recall reading a description of the dude getting the cell call.Could have been the killer who then went to get his guns from his car.

As to an accomplice, could have been the room mate, or not.

Initially there was a report that police were looking for a mohammed. There was no follow up to that angle.


57 posted on 07/24/2012 11:53:28 PM PDT by 1_Rain_Drop
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To: voteNRA

A Muslim thugg federal representative, a Mormon presidential candidate, and a pseudo-black Chicago thugg as President..

What are the people of the United States thinking?...
America is starting to look like New Sodom...

Whats next a Scientologist as a Supreme Court Judge?..


58 posted on 07/24/2012 11:58:36 PM PDT by hosepipe (This propaganda has been edited to include some fully orbed hyperbole..)
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To: voteNRA
Ellison said Tuesday that you don’t need a bulletproof vest and an assault rifle to go hunting.

The Second Amendment isn't about hunting.

59 posted on 07/25/2012 12:02:57 AM PDT by Moonman62 (The US has become a government with a country, rather than a country with a government.)
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To: voteNRA

Re your question & the 5.7:

The ammo necessary for the 5.7 to defeat a vest is not available for purchase. The 5.7 is NOT a cop killer (contrary to every media article that discusses it.) All the regular ammo for it is NOT armor piercing.

IF one rolls their own they might be able to re create the round that could penetrate soft armor. Off the shelf stuff (which is what was used at ft. Hood) just won’t do it.

IMO if you are carrying a semi auto and want to be effective against armor, you could carry a +p+ hunting round and really wallop the vest OR shoot for the groin/pelvis/legs.


60 posted on 07/25/2012 12:16:40 AM PDT by 1malumprohibitum
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To: Squawk 8888
"I saw a report in the National Post that said he was wearing full body armour and a tactical helmet"

Problem is, anything simply colored black is defined as "tactical" in the eyes of the left-press.

61 posted on 07/25/2012 12:16:44 AM PDT by FunkyZero (... I've got a Grand Piano to prop up my mortal remains)
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To: mylife

For all the tragedy that this jackass committed, I would suggest that the family car and pool kill way more on a yearly basis.

I would suggest that any major city (dem controlled) gets this body count every week. Chicago last weekend had high body count from urban ferals shooting each other and innocent bystanders.
I believe i saw an article recently stating that Chicago had more gun deaths than Afghanistan.
And remember that Chicago has most restrictive gun laws in nation- Pols, criminals and ne’er dowells have guns, police also but not ordinary tax paying citizens.

I have a better solution - any politician that decides to restrict freedom should be immediately subjected to recall election- let the people decide if should stay or go, if goes bill goes down also


62 posted on 07/25/2012 12:45:01 AM PDT by Nailbiter
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To: voteNRA
...the initial armor plates that were reported would be hard to deal with
No offense, but Poppycock!

Anyone who has ever slaughtered an animal for cooking/eating knows how deadly a knife can be.

Even the simplest of folding blades in the right hands can kill, even against an armored opponent.
Slice at neck/throat, collar bone, upper arm, inner thigh to hit an artery or stab right through the bloody eye or even into the temple.

Sometimes you just have to get medieval in both thought and deed to defend your life or the life of others!

63 posted on 07/25/2012 12:52:09 AM PDT by philman_36 (Pride breakfasted with plenty, dined with poverty, and supped with infamy. Benjamin Franklin)
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To: voteNRA
Reasonable gun control.


64 posted on 07/25/2012 1:05:23 AM PDT by caveat emptor (Zippity Do Dah)
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To: FunkyZero

I hear you, but the Post is not leftie. Just sayin’, but the Post doesn’t have the usual bias so if there’s inaccuracies it’s due to lack of info not bias.


65 posted on 07/25/2012 1:10:44 AM PDT by Squawk 8888 (Tories in- now the REAL work begins!)
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To: voteNRA; All

They showed a receipt from tacticalgear.com dated July 2. I listed the Blackhawk Urban Assault Vest (a fearsome named for a souped up fisherman’s vest), two ammo pouches, and a knife.

Here’s the vest. Look at the specs. NOT body armor as sold to holmes.

http://tacticalgear.com/blackhawk-urban-assault-vest

If that is what he was wearing, even if he put plates in the pockets, it’s not a great help. If he had some real armor, they have not told where he got it.


66 posted on 07/25/2012 1:39:37 AM PDT by Right Wing Assault (Dick Obama is more inexperienced now than he was before he was elected.)
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To: mylife
Who opened that door?

Initially, some stories said he kicked the door in. Right. Have any of those reporters ever tried kicking in a steel door in a steel frame?

67 posted on 07/25/2012 1:46:26 AM PDT by Right Wing Assault (Dick Obama is more inexperienced now than he was before he was elected.)
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To: voteNRA

Some guns aren’t necessary for hunting, but then again, I’ve never been oppressed by deer or elk.


68 posted on 07/25/2012 3:23:12 AM PDT by pallis
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To: voteNRA
That's prety ich- a guy who was a member of the Nation of Islam - knowing what all crimes that group has been up to it ears in, from petty stuff right up to assassinations and the Zebra killings ... and he wants more gun control.

Gee, wonder why? Could it be because it would make it easier for terrorists to terrorize an unarmed or inadequately armed people? His campaign was sponsored by CAIR, which is a front group of Hamas, a terrorist group that thinks blowing up busses full of schoolchildren is fair play.....

Gee, wonder why he wants more gun control imposed on law abiding American citizens?

Then his Washington DC prayer group the CMSA, invites in such notables to speak and pray with as the infamous Anwar al Awlaki, the inspiration behind the Ft Hood Massacre, the Undybomber who tried to take down a flight full of people ...

And also invited Randall Royer, who got jail time for his terrorist activities linked with the Paintball cell in Virginia ...

Gee, why would more gun control rules against law abiding Americans be a good thing in his eyes?

69 posted on 07/25/2012 3:37:01 AM PDT by piasa (Attitude adjustments offered here free of charge)
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To: a fool in paradise

Or maybe both of those decisions should be left to their parents, and not the state.


70 posted on 07/25/2012 3:37:12 AM PDT by EEGator
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To: voteNRA

Wait just a minute...assault weapons are illegal for the general public to own now. So are bullet proof vests, one is required to show a military ID or LEO ID before you can buy the plates that make it work.

Clips and ammo are red herrings. I call your attention to the 100 round drum that the kid had on his AR, it jammed as this mag is very prone to do. It really didn’t do anywhere near the damage he apparently hoped for.

Ammo is heavy. The 6,500 rounds that he had cached in his apartment had no bearing whatsoever in the actual shooting. I can’t be sure how much 6,500 rounds would weigh, but I know how heavy 400 rounds of 7.62x51 in an ammo can is. I can carry 4 of them, but not very far.

I completely agree that the gun laws in this country are in need of review. Such as the law permitting this theater to deny it’s patrons their ability to defend themselves from a maniac that the management was unable to prevent from entering the theater.

Has anyone else noticed that these mass shootings only occur in places where guns are forbidden? Like this theater, like the gun free zone at Columbine, like Ft. Hood where soldiers are forbidden from possessing a firearm on base. You never hear of a police station being shot up. Have you ever heard of anyone cutting loose at a gun club? Or how about a bar or restaurant now that we can carry in those places, would you really want to step into an area where you didn’t know who had a gun and who didn’t if you were determined to kill everyone in the place?

No, they want their victims safely disarmed so as not to disturb their rampage. Heaven forbid that somebody might just start shooting back. They could get hurt.


71 posted on 07/25/2012 3:38:54 AM PDT by Rearden (Deo Vindices)
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To: voteNRA
Ellison, Keith a/k/a Keith Hakim a/k/a Keith Ellison-Muhammad a/k/a Keith X Ellison : A democrat, a civil rights lawyer; a convert to Sunni Islam

There's nothing that inspires more confidence than knowing that your congressman has multiple aliases!

[BEFORE 1998] : (KEITH ELLISON {CMSA, NoI, FUTURE US CONGRESSCRITTER} ATTENDS U OF MN WITH NIHAD AWAD {see CAIR}, & IBRAHIM HOOPER {see CAIR} ; AWAD AND HOOPER WOULD SOON ASSUME LEADERSHIP POSITIONS WITH THE MN-BASED "CHARITY" THE BOSNIAN RELIEF COMMITTEE)

72 posted on 07/25/2012 3:43:45 AM PDT by piasa (Attitude adjustments offered here free of charge)
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To: voteNRA

Resonable gun control according to Ellison: We have them, you don’t.


73 posted on 07/25/2012 4:00:19 AM PDT by Chickensoup (STOP The Great O-ppression)
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To: piytar

“Saw some polls - the numbers are good (for us), with over 60% AGAINST more “reasonable” gun control...”

Then about 40% of Americans are sheep, fish in a barrel waiting to happen—not good.


74 posted on 07/25/2012 4:11:51 AM PDT by MarDav
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To: voteNRA

How about reasonable restrictions on Muslims in the
US - they’ve certainly killed more victims than Holmes?


75 posted on 07/25/2012 4:22:03 AM PDT by Truth29
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To: Right Wing Assault

Besides, all exit doors are required to open outward as a consequence of the Cocoanut Grove fire. Therefore, he would have been kicking AGAINST the frame!


76 posted on 07/25/2012 4:25:35 AM PDT by catman67
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To: voteNRA

Headshot.


77 posted on 07/25/2012 4:30:50 AM PDT by Quickgun (Second Amendment. The only one you can put your hands on.)
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To: mylife

I’ve thought about that question.
Perhaps he propped the door open or someone let him in.


78 posted on 07/25/2012 4:33:01 AM PDT by Clump ( the tree of liberty is withering like a stricken fig tree)
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To: mylife

Those people should file a lawsuit against the media if those girls are being harassed.
I still think the media’s “over reporting” of this tragedy is actually in hopes of a copycat incident. Certainly reminds me of Don Henley’s song “Dirty Laundry” and I believe it was written in the early ‘80’s.


79 posted on 07/25/2012 4:37:23 AM PDT by Quickgun (Second Amendment. The only one you can put your hands on.)
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To: voteNRA

> Ellison said Tuesday that you don’t need a bulletproof vest
> and an assault rifle to go hunting.

The Second Amendment is NOT about hunting.

It’s about defending ourselves and our families from criminals and enemies, foreign *AND* domestic.

Ellison’s Moslem fellow-travelers are all of the above.


80 posted on 07/25/2012 4:42:36 AM PDT by Westbrook (Children do not divide your love, they multiply it.)
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To: Squawk 8888

> I saw a report in the National Post that said he was
> wearing full body armour and a tactical helmet.

To most of the prissy, pantywaist press, a super-soaker water pistol and a pocketed polo shirt constitute an assault weapon and a tactical, armored vest.


81 posted on 07/25/2012 4:48:44 AM PDT by Westbrook (Children do not divide your love, they multiply it.)
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To: Squawk 8888

Hmmm, currency exchange up, liberties being expanded, Canada is looking better to me all the time.


82 posted on 07/25/2012 4:52:04 AM PDT by Westbrook (Children do not divide your love, they multiply it.)
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To: mylife

Even if the jackass had been wearing armor, had he been hit by a couple CHL folks, he would have been rattled.


I had that talk with my dad last night. He thought that if someone has a vests, you go for a head shot.
I told him, “no, shoot him in the chest. He is still going down like someone hit him with a hammer.”

Only in movies to people in vests keep fighting.


83 posted on 07/25/2012 5:37:25 AM PDT by LevinFan
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To: voteNRA
“Reasonable gun controls,” Ellison said. “It’s time.”

Reasonable commie control. It's way past time.

84 posted on 07/25/2012 5:40:56 AM PDT by Caipirabob (I say we take off and Newt the site from orbit. It's the only way to be sure...)
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To: piytar

Was looking for the Krauthammer quote....Something about the NRA being the entire American people....It would be a good quote to use in an argument with a liberal.


85 posted on 07/25/2012 5:44:10 AM PDT by hoosiermama (Obama: "Born in Kenya" Lying now or then.)
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To: voteNRA

“Somebody should be able to go and say ‘Hey, we notice you got 6,000 bullets recently. What are you doing?’” Ellison said.


Good idea. I always wanted to tell a government jackboot to F off. I don’t have to answer your questions and resent the intrusion. If I were going to commit a crime, I’d lie.


86 posted on 07/25/2012 5:44:57 AM PDT by LevinFan
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To: mylife

I have a ‘tactical vest’...it has a pocket on the back for my camera tripod, various pockets and hooks on the front for lens, film, etc etc etc. Maybe they want to ban it? I might use it to go hunting for the loud mouthed leftist politicians and lame stream media types in order to capture them doing something really stupid, or maybe doing something that is a felony...


87 posted on 07/25/2012 5:55:55 AM PDT by GGpaX4DumpedTea (I am a Tea Party descendant...steeped in the Constitutional Republic given to us by the Founders.)
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To: voteNRA

A 45 HydraShok round to the head, thru the gas mask, would have done nicely. A very bright light in his face to blind him temporarily, then the round directed by a laser on the gun...no trial, no incarceration...just dead.


88 posted on 07/25/2012 6:00:32 AM PDT by GGpaX4DumpedTea (I am a Tea Party descendant...steeped in the Constitutional Republic given to us by the Founders.)
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To: GGpaX4DumpedTea

Isn’t ellison the moozlum representative? Shouldn’t he be calling for a ban on explosives and knives of fellow moozlums first before he attacks the Bill of Rights?


89 posted on 07/25/2012 6:12:47 AM PDT by hal ogen (First Amendment or Reeducation Camp?)
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To: mylife

“....I believe the company that sold it was: www.tacticalvest.com...”

Looks like they may have shut their website down. Stupid libs only print what they want to print without getting the facts.


90 posted on 07/25/2012 6:20:13 AM PDT by lgjhn23
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To: hal ogen
Shouldn’t he be calling for a ban on explosives and knives of fellow moozlums first before he attacks the Bill of Rights?

Did he call for gun control after the Hasan shooting?

91 posted on 07/25/2012 6:28:31 AM PDT by dirtboy
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To: mylife

It’s a panic door. There is a mechanism on the inside, you set it to “unlock” the outside so that anyone can pull the door open on the outside.


92 posted on 07/25/2012 6:40:19 AM PDT by Lady Lucky (If you believe what you're saying, quit making taxable income.)
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To: voteNRA

We can’t trust the American people.

We can trust people sympathetic to the Muslim Brotherhood with our national secrets though. :)

Now why don’t you go pay your taxes? Your government is broke. :)


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94 posted on 07/25/2012 8:25:18 AM PDT by MplsSteve (General Mills is pro-gay marriage! Boycott their products!)
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To: voteNRA

Notice how the slime bag frames the issue. Who could object to “reasonable” restructions? If you disagree with him you are unreasonable.

Usually the gun grabbers like to use the phrase “common sense restrictions”.


95 posted on 07/25/2012 8:52:07 AM PDT by DManA
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To: mylife
My idea for all activities in public, travel ling etc is the clear plastic garment with privacy screens in the private areas of ones body.

Kinda how they use the clear trash bags in airports.

96 posted on 07/25/2012 11:55:56 AM PDT by USAF80
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To: DManA

I’m sure the nut jobs, gang bangers, drug lords and terrorists are all going to be “reasonable” and obey the “reasonable” gun controls.


97 posted on 07/25/2012 12:56:16 PM PDT by littleharbour
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To: dalereed

It seems Ellison wants Americans disarmed to make it easier for terrorists and thugs to kill Americans.

It should be noted that he has ties to the radical Council on American-Islamic Relations, which is an unindicted co-conspirator in the Holy Land Foundation terror financing trial.


98 posted on 07/25/2012 1:28:10 PM PDT by SUSSA
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To: mylife
Found a link about the door

http://www.examiner.com/article/holmes-had-help-aurora-shooting-witnesses-indicate-potential-accomplices

99 posted on 07/25/2012 1:46:03 PM PDT by 1_Rain_Drop
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To: 1_Rain_Drop

Interesting that it was revealed today that he had 2 room mates, and nobody knows where they are.


100 posted on 07/25/2012 4:23:24 PM PDT by mylife (The Roar Of The Masses Could Be Farts)
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