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'What?' Confused 911 caller outs NYPD spying in NJ
WRAL ^ | July 25, 2012

Posted on 07/25/2012 6:17:20 AM PDT by NCjim

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1 posted on 07/25/2012 6:17:23 AM PDT by NCjim
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OMG! The horror! The NYPD were doing their job! Because they didn’t trust the Obama administration to do its job.


2 posted on 07/25/2012 6:37:14 AM PDT by Lonesome in Massachussets (The Democratic Party strongly supports full civil rights for necro-Americans!)
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To: Lonesome in Massachussets

They should have had a front page notice printed in the New York Times notifying the bad guys they were there.


3 posted on 07/25/2012 6:40:26 AM PDT by Russ (Repeal the 17th amendment)
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To: Lonesome in Massachussets

They should have had a front page notice printed in the New York Times notifying the bad guys they were there.


4 posted on 07/25/2012 6:40:37 AM PDT by Russ (Repeal the 17th amendment)
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To: Lonesome in Massachussets

Disagree.

The NYPD should NOT be doing “their job” in New Jersey, unless they had permission, which they DID NOT. What they found as evidence wouldn’t even be admissible if discovered illegally, would it? There is that pesky thing called “Jurisdiction.”


5 posted on 07/25/2012 6:46:25 AM PDT by madison10
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To: NCjim

Investigating Muslims and mosques? I’ve got no problem with that. Instead of the CIA, though, they should have gotten some training from the Israelis.


6 posted on 07/25/2012 6:50:27 AM PDT by SoFloFreeper
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To: madison10

Yea, this is definitely NOT the way to conduct business. The NYPD needs to understand that the individual states are sovereign.

Snooping around gun shops in VA and GA and trying to make straw purchases is NOT the mission of the NYPD, even though Bloomingidiot thinks so.

And Bloomingidiot had to sign off on this program, so it shows his clear contempt for the rights of NJ state.


7 posted on 07/25/2012 6:52:35 AM PDT by ConradofMontferrat (According to mudslimze, my handle is a Hate Crime. Hope they don't like it.)
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To: madison10

Excuse me, they were not doing anything any other citizen could not have done. They didn’t do anything a reporter for the Newark Star Ledger or the Rutgers student newspaper could not have done, had they been interested. There is no indication of any illegal activity or exercising police powers in New Jersey, they were just “looking around”. You or I can masquerade as Muslims and join the local mosque to keep tabs on trouble makers, just like the FBI infiltrated the Bund prior to World War II.


8 posted on 07/25/2012 6:56:08 AM PDT by Lonesome in Massachussets (The Democratic Party strongly supports full civil rights for necro-Americans!)
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"The NYPD should NOT be doing “their job” in New Jersey, unless they had permission, which they DID NOT. What they found as evidence wouldn’t even be admissible if discovered illegally, would it? There is that pesky thing called “Jurisdiction.”"

Disagree. This isn't like they were doing traffic stops in NJ. This is gathering information to protect New York City. That investigation can go wherever it needs to. If they find evidence of a crime committed in another jurisdiction, they'd need to pull in the appropriate agency with jurisdiction.

9 posted on 07/25/2012 6:56:54 AM PDT by DannyTN
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New York Mayor Michael Bloomberg has defended the police department's right to go anywhere in the country in search of terrorists without telling local police.

Big no, no! When one law enforcement agency operates within the jurisdiction of another, it always seeks permission and cooperation from the local sheriff's department.

Bloomberg thinks that he's above the law. He tried this in Virginia couple of years ago with his agents making strawman gun purchases, and the Commonwealth Attorney General told him in uncertain terms that if it happened again, then the agents would be charged and prosecuted.

New York City is NOT foreign country with its own intelligence rules and operations, even though Bloomberg likes to think so.

10 posted on 07/25/2012 7:08:10 AM PDT by Timber Rattler (Just say NO! to RINOS and the GOP-E)
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To: madison10
The NYPD should NOT be doing “their job” in New Jersey, unless they had permission, which they DID NOT.

From the article:

In February, NYPD's deputy commissioner for legal matters, Andrew Schaffer, told reporters that detectives can operate outside New York because they aren't conducting official police duties. "They're not acting as police officers in other jurisdictions," Schaffer said.

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And New Jersey Attorney General Jeffrey Chiesa has said he's seen no evidence that the NYPD's efforts violated his state's laws.

11 posted on 07/25/2012 7:08:36 AM PDT by MEGoody (Ye shall know the truth, and the truth shall make you free.)
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Talk about confusing......it's not okay for the NYPD to spy on Muzzies after they declared Jihad on our airline industry and killed 3000+ innocent Americans but it's perfectly okay for the U.S. government to launch drones over our soil and spy on tea partiers and Christians? I've been in a perpetual state of confusion since the Halfrican won the election.
12 posted on 07/25/2012 7:18:45 AM PDT by liberalh8ter (If Barack has a memory like a steel trap, why can't he remember what the Constitution says?)
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To: MEGoody

If those officers-not-doing-policework were getting paid off the NYPD payroll while ‘not doing policework’ - they were doing police work, especially since what they found would be reported to the NYPD and used for their investigations. No different than any other stakeout. Legally parsing all they want changes nothing.

Personally if my SWAT team had found any of them there, I’d have busted their skulls open with a rifle butt, taken all their stuff, killed their dog, burnt everything else, and thrown them in the klink for some Bubba love, then busted their skulls open again for good measure.


13 posted on 07/25/2012 7:22:46 AM PDT by Free Vulcan (Election 2012 - America stands or falls. No more excuses. Get involved.)
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“Talk about confusing......it’s not okay for the NYPD to spy on Muzzies after they declared Jihad on our airline industry and killed 3000+ innocent Americans but it’s perfectly okay for the U.S. government to launch drones over our soil and spy on tea partiers and Christians?”

And cows. They are also spying on cows.


14 posted on 07/25/2012 7:23:18 AM PDT by Cowgirl of Justice
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To: Lonesome in Massachussets

I don’t think they are on vacation in NJ acting as any other citizen. There is a difference.


15 posted on 07/25/2012 8:02:37 AM PDT by paul51 (11 September 2001 - Never forget)
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For legal purposes, how are they different? As long as they don’t flash a badge or stop anyone they are behaving perfectly legally.


16 posted on 07/25/2012 8:13:21 AM PDT by Lonesome in Massachussets (The Democratic Party strongly supports full civil rights for necro-Americans!)
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Given the numbers of times I’ve eaten at The Parkside Restaurant in Corona, Queens my photo must have been taken fifty times by the FBI and NYPD’s organized crime task force. This does not include visits to Frankie and Johnnie’s Pine Tavern and Dominick’s in The Bronx. The ACLU and NYTimes haven’t made much of the continuous surveillance of Italian American establishments in the last 60 years. Never bothered me. I usually try to find the vans and look at them and smile. I’ll be eating Snapper Livornese while they’ll be drinking bad coffee. As for the wiseguys. They’re bums and thugs and if they’re stupid enough to do something in front of the cameras they know are watching they deserve a trip to Atlanta.


17 posted on 07/25/2012 8:17:26 AM PDT by xkaydet65
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“New York City is NOT foreign country with its own intelligence rules and operations, even though Bloomberg likes to think so.’


To most of us in Upstate NY forced to live under the socialist policies driven almost exclusively by all the foreigners in NYC I can tell you they behave like a foreign country.

If however they were ONLY gathering information there should be no problem. If on the other hand they were making arrests or obtaining information which could only be obtained via a warrant then yes there is a problem.

Feigned outrage over information gathering might make for increased paper sales but then again we know the media is not a friend or defender of the country. They would hide a planned attack by mudslimes if it would increase readership.


18 posted on 07/25/2012 8:17:38 AM PDT by Wurlitzer (Nothing says "ignorance" like Islam!)
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To: Free Vulcan
If those officers-not-doing-policework were getting paid off the NYPD payroll while ‘not doing policework’ - they were doing police work, especially since what they found would be reported to the NYPD and used for their investigations. No different than any other stakeout. Legally parsing all they want changes nothing.

The article calls it a "safe house" not a stake out. Also per the article, the Atty General of the state of NJ states he does not believe any NJ laws were broken.

19 posted on 07/25/2012 8:18:59 AM PDT by MEGoody (Ye shall know the truth, and the truth shall make you free.)
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To: Lonesome in Massachussets
They are acting in an official capacity outside their jurisdiction without the knowledge of NJ authorities.
20 posted on 07/25/2012 8:23:19 AM PDT by paul51 (11 September 2001 - Never forget)
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