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Colo. shooting survivor forgives alleged gunman
Associated Press ^ | July 25, 2012

Posted on 07/25/2012 6:20:17 PM PDT by Free ThinkerNY

DENVER (AP) -- A survivor of the deadly shootings at a Colorado movie theater says he has forgiven the alleged gunman.

Denver Rescue Mission employee Pierce O'Farrill was shot three times in the attack Friday at an Aurora theater showing the new Batman movie. He was released from the hospital Wednesday.

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1 posted on 07/25/2012 6:20:21 PM PDT by Free ThinkerNY
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To: Free ThinkerNY

What if he does not want your forgiveness?


2 posted on 07/25/2012 6:26:30 PM PDT by MPJackal ("From my cold dead hands.")
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To: Free ThinkerNY
he has forgiven the alleged gunman

Fascinating isn't it? The mass murderer is still "alleged." So, by the same logic, are the victims of this scumbag "allegedly" dead?

3 posted on 07/25/2012 6:27:23 PM PDT by laweeks
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To: Free ThinkerNY
Here's the link to the actual story, which the ap site hijacked...http://www.denverpost.com/theatershooting/ci_21158275/aurora-victim-released-from-hospital-says-he-forgives
4 posted on 07/25/2012 6:27:23 PM PDT by the invisib1e hand (If Bill Ayers had a son, he'd look like James Holmes.)
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To: Free ThinkerNY
When I saw him in his hearing, I felt nothing but sorrow for him — he's just a lost soul right now," said Pierce O'Farrill.

5 posted on 07/25/2012 6:29:07 PM PDT by the invisib1e hand (If Bill Ayers had a son, he'd look like James Holmes.)
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To: Free ThinkerNY

Shot 3 times and still a stupid liberal. They walk among us.


6 posted on 07/25/2012 6:29:55 PM PDT by 23 Everest (When seconds count. The police are just 23 minutes away. 831 Bonnie)
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To: Free ThinkerNY

I’m glad that he has the luxury to “forgive” the murdering bastard. I wonder how the 12 who died and their families feel about the orange-haired maggot. As an American, I won’t forgive him for all the commie BS we’re going to have to endure from the commie ‘RATS about the Second Amendment.


7 posted on 07/25/2012 6:30:57 PM PDT by FlingWingFlyer (Without the Second Amendment, the other twenty-six will cease to exist.)
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To: Free ThinkerNY

Another faux Christian who has no idea of the true concept of forgiveness.


8 posted on 07/25/2012 6:31:20 PM PDT by Lurker (Violence is rarely the answer. But when it is, it is the only answer.)
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To: Free ThinkerNY

You probably should have made this thread “IQ >50 Causus”.


9 posted on 07/25/2012 6:32:57 PM PDT by the invisib1e hand (If Bill Ayers had a son, he'd look like James Holmes.)
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To: Free ThinkerNY

You probably should have made this thread “IQ >50 Caucus”.


10 posted on 07/25/2012 6:33:40 PM PDT by the invisib1e hand (If Bill Ayers had a son, he'd look like James Holmes.)
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To: Free ThinkerNY
I would like to think that I would have the ability to forgive people for grievous acts, but I don't. He is a better man then me or a bigger fool, the latter being a more amazing accomplishment.
11 posted on 07/25/2012 6:34:45 PM PDT by dog breath
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To: Free ThinkerNY
Well, Pierce O'Farrill's a better man than I.

If I were in his shoes, I want to carve up the perp slowly, and inflict as much pain as possible.

And yes, I think the guy has been play acting since his arrest. As his acquaintances said he's not a nut case.

12 posted on 07/25/2012 6:34:48 PM PDT by Sir Napsalot (Pravda + Useful Idiots = CCCP; JournOList + Useful Idiots = DopeyChangey!)
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To: Lurker
Another faux Christian who has no idea of the true concept of forgiveness.

And you, of course, are the real deal, because you can't fathom his brand of "forgiveness," correct?

bwa...whahahahahahahah!

13 posted on 07/25/2012 6:38:08 PM PDT by the invisib1e hand (If Bill Ayers had a son, he'd look like James Holmes.)
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To: Sir Napsalot
I did too. Actually, I proposed using a steamroller.

But his high school picture kept nagging. Then I saw his face at the hearing. And my heart just broke.

14 posted on 07/25/2012 6:39:51 PM PDT by the invisib1e hand (If Bill Ayers had a son, he'd look like James Holmes.)
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To: Free ThinkerNY
alleged

So perhaps there wasn't a shooting at all, if it's only an 'alleged' crime.

15 posted on 07/25/2012 6:42:22 PM PDT by PAR35
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To: Free ThinkerNY

12 people weren’t available for comment.


16 posted on 07/25/2012 6:42:31 PM PDT by EEGator
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To: the invisib1e hand
lol...Great tag-line!!!
17 posted on 07/25/2012 6:43:37 PM PDT by M-cubed
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To: the invisib1e hand

EXACTLY! Now how many more victims need to forgive him before the monster will be allowed into Heaven? (That is of course, if the monster finds God... he has plenty of time, of course, having all of that new study time in his cell), but his murderous actions, have caused many of his victims to burn in Hell for all eternity, because they had not yet found God..... (maybe they would have found God between that tragic night and the natural end to their lives... maybe days or decades later). No they did not mass-murder at least a dozen of their fellow man, and injure scores more..... and many of those may ask why God allowed this to happen to them, and fall from their beliefs? Hang the perp, I say... and do it swiftly. Pray for the dead and the injured alike.


18 posted on 07/25/2012 6:48:31 PM PDT by Klemper
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To: Free ThinkerNY

Well, I’m the forgiving type, too. If he shot me three times — and then offered me three free shots from the same distance — I’d forgive him...


19 posted on 07/25/2012 6:53:50 PM PDT by TXnMA ("Allah": Satan's current alias...)
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To: MPJackal

It doesnt matter if he wants it or not. He just got it. By forgiving the shooter he is not allowing himself to be controlled by the past. Not dwelling on it and moving on quickly.

Mar 11:25 And when ye stand praying, forgive, if ye have ought against any: that your Father also which is in heaven may forgive you your trespasses.
26 But if ye do not forgive, neither will your Father which is in heaven forgive your trespasses.


20 posted on 07/25/2012 6:56:24 PM PDT by Delta 21 (Oh Crap !! Did I say that out loud ??!??)
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To: Klemper

What faith teaches that one is allowed into Heaven based on the forgiveness of those you have wronged? I had not heard of that.

I will leave all of that to God (who had found Him and who hadn’t). If someone falls away from God because they cannot reconcile this act (by a human being, fallen as we all are) their faith was just looking for something to shake it since horrendous things happen every day.

Forgiving someone for what they do does not help the perpetrator, it helps the person who forgives. Holding onto anger, while it may seem normal and human, is destructive. I would always urge anyone, especially a Christian to try to do it. And to pray for the person who harmed them. Yeah, it’s extremely difficult, but it IS the Christian thing to do. I do NOT mean they should not be held to justice. Both things are not mutually exclusive.


21 posted on 07/25/2012 7:02:13 PM PDT by brytlea (An ounce of chocolate is worth a pound of cure)
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To: Lurker

> Another faux Christian who has no idea of the true concept of forgiveness.

As Christ was enduring all of his trials he said ..
“Father forgive them fo they no not what they do”. (Luke 23:24)

In Matthew 6:15 the Lord tells us, “But if you do not forgive men their sins, your Father will not forgive your sins.”

What exactly is faux about the forgiveness this man confesses? Nowhere does it say he wants this person to walk away free from the consequences of his actions, only that he sees a lost soul and is sorrowful.

I agree.


22 posted on 07/25/2012 7:06:02 PM PDT by Nonsense Unlimited
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To: Nonsense Unlimited

Read Luke 17:3 and get back to me.

You’re wrong.


23 posted on 07/25/2012 7:15:29 PM PDT by Lurker (Violence is rarely the answer. But when it is, it is the only answer.)
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To: Lurker

Part of really being able to forgive someone is the administering of temporal and eternal justice. You can’t forgive if you think the person is going to get away with it, the soul loves and demands justice because we know it is right.


24 posted on 07/25/2012 7:35:55 PM PDT by Secret Agent Man (I can neither confirm or deny that; even if I could, I couldn't - it's classified.)
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To: Secret Agent Man

Precisely. Unless and until the perpetrator truly repents and asks forgiveness a true Christian is under no obligation to offer it, nor should they.


25 posted on 07/25/2012 7:45:07 PM PDT by Lurker (Violence is rarely the answer. But when it is, it is the only answer.)
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To: Secret Agent Man

Forgiving is an act of the will. It relieves the victims of any hate for the perp.

How can we expect God to forgive if we can’t?

How do I know? I had to forgive the murderer of my granddaughter before I could stop hating him.

Just an old man’s opinion.


26 posted on 07/25/2012 7:50:01 PM PDT by willibeaux (de ole Korean War vet age 82)
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To: Lurker
Matt 6:14 For if you forgive men when they sin against you, your heavenly Father will also forgive you. But if you do not forgive men their sins, your Father will not forgive your sins

Matt 5:7 Blessed are the merciful, for they will be shown mercy.

Matt 7:2 For in the same way you judge others, you will be judged, and with the measure you use, it will be measured to you.

Luke 6:37 Do not condemn, and you will not be condemned. Forgive, and you will be forgiven.

Matt 18:35 This is how my heavenly Father will treat each of you unless you forgive your brother from your heart.

James 2:13 For judgment without mercy will be shown to anyone who has not been merciful. But mercy triumphs over judgment!

Sirach 27:30 The vengeful will suffer the Lord’s vengeance, for He remembers their sin in detail. Forgive your neighbor’s injustice, then when you pray, your own sins will be forgiven. Can anyone nourish anger against another and expect healing from the Lord? Can anyone refuse mercy to another like himself and then seek pardon for his own sins? Remember your last days, set enmity aside. Remember death and cease from sin. Think of the Commandments, hate not your neighbor, remember the Most High’s covenant, and overlook faults.

27 posted on 07/25/2012 7:57:53 PM PDT by Carpe Cerevisi
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To: Free ThinkerNY

I swear! This moron thinks he’s being “Christian” by forgiving Evil?

Oh how God must be laughing at people like this.


28 posted on 07/25/2012 8:05:10 PM PDT by Shadowstrike (Be polite, Be professional, but have a plan to kill everyone you meet.)
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To: Free ThinkerNY
Seems this should read, "forgives him , for what happened to 'her'. She cannot forgive on another's behalf.

Her forgiveness may be a fast forward - or maybe, even, a fast backwards. . .

Whatever, this survivor; , can only speak for herself.

29 posted on 07/25/2012 8:42:47 PM PDT by cricket (http://voteron2012.com/)
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To: MPJackal
What if he does not want your forgiveness?

Irrelevant.
I don't care one way or the other.

As an individual decision, it is admirable. As an attempt to impose it on everyone, it is damnable; whether it is by an individual, a group or a justice system.

30 posted on 07/25/2012 8:56:52 PM PDT by publius911 (Formerly Publius 6961, formerly jennsdad)
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To: Shadowstrike

Does his forgiveness for the gunman make him a moron, now? Uh, didn’t Jesus forgive the people who killed him?


31 posted on 07/25/2012 9:21:29 PM PDT by dsutah
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Well, if someone can forgive regardless of the criminal’s regret, all the more power to them. I am just saying it’s pretty much impossible for most people to truly forgive, especially those without the help of God, if you do not believe that you’ve gotten justice.

There does come a point for many where they feel they have to forgive in some way, because there may not be any satisfactory justice in this life, and they have to move on with their own lives, as it may have become something holding them back personally.


32 posted on 07/25/2012 9:52:26 PM PDT by Secret Agent Man (I can neither confirm or deny that; even if I could, I couldn't - it's classified.)
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To: dsutah

God hasn’t forgiven Satan.

Who am I to be ‘better’ than God.

And yes, the man is a moron.

We are supposed to FIGHT Evil, not excuse it. And Jesus died for our Souls.

The Bible also says thou shalt not MURDER. And that if someone does MURDER we are supposed to send their Soul to God for Judgement.


33 posted on 07/25/2012 10:00:57 PM PDT by Shadowstrike (Be polite, Be professional, but have a plan to kill everyone you meet.)
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To: MPJackal

I could easily forgive the harm someone did to me.....the harm they did to one I love no way. In fact I don’t think we have the obligation to forgive the hurt someone put on another, only ourselves. I would hold the harm to my loved ones against him forever....I don’t have the power to say to someone,,,,,I forgive you for what you did to another person. Won’t find it in the bible either I don’t think..


34 posted on 07/25/2012 10:50:10 PM PDT by goat granny
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To: dsutah; MPJackal; the invisib1e hand; Lurker; Carpe Cerevisi
Does his forgiveness for the gunman make him a moron, now?

In The God's economy, there is no "forgiveness" transaction possible without confession (homolohgehoh)(agreeing with the accuser) and repentance (afeeaymee)(utterly abandoning the sin) (see 1 Jn. 1:9).

Saying "I forgive you" to someone who does not confess and exhibit repentance is an incomplete transaction. It's like saying "Here's the price for that loaf of bread," to which the owner says "It's mine; I'm keeping it and I'm not selling." That is an incomplete transaction. God has not forgiven the shooter, and neither can the wounded one; though he/she may offer, "Through grace, I'm willing to forgive." That puts one right with God and puts the ball in the perpetrator's court.

If, then, the perpetrator confesses "I did it. I am very, very sorrowful, and have abandoned any intention of ever doing that again. Though I know I do not deserve that you would release me of guilt for this, I would be most grateful for your abandoning retribution to me" (2 Cor. 7:10).This being very sincere, the perpetrator has now put the onus on the offended one. Now The God's command comes into play -- if you do forgive the offender and forget the offense, The God will do the same for yours. But if you do not forgive the sorrowful repentant confessor, The God will not forgive yours, for you do not yet understand and accept His ways.

If you try to forgive without confession and repentance, you are telling The God, "I intend to override your plan for justice, by forgetting the confession/repentance part." Now, that is a sinful mindset which needs correction. Now, you are instituting your own, non-functioning plan of relieving the burden of sin. It does not work.

Uh, didn’t Jesus forgive the people who killed him?

Well, remember, the ones who actually drove the nails and raised Him to the Cross-death were under their own law, and were not aware they were doing wrong under that Gentile human law, their government law. Remember, He said to the Father, "...for they know not what they do." Just as for children who are not yet aware of and accountable to the Ten Moral Commandments, no transgression is imputed (though it has been perpetrated) to the ignorant ones. "...for where no law is, there is no transgression" (see Rom. 4:14-15; 5:13).

The literal crucifying soldiers were not going against their Roman law, but were complying with it. Therefore, Christ could ask the Father for a gracious, undeserved forgiveness in this instance. (Perhaps this would even apply to those who called for His crucifixion. But His plea to the Father does not seem to cover any other known moral terpitudes, for which all will be responsible, including the crucifiers. So they are not, in the end, let off for other infractions for which they are all guilty before The God.)

The wounded one has not achieved anything for his (her?) self, or for the shooter, in the account described in this AP news release. In this case, the shooter knew of the civil and moral law, and very consciously and deliberately chose to reject the restraints of civil law and The Law, and thus does not come under the special case pled for by The Son of Humans regarding his executors: "they know not what they do." James Holmes knew exactly what he was doing.

Hope this makes sense to you-all, for this is important Scriptural doctrine.

Pray for your enemies (including Obama, etc.), and be willing to offer forgiveness (and forget); for in doing so, you will heap coals of fire (figure of speech) on their heads, until they seek release.

Forgive yourself, when The God also has.

Corrie Ten Boom was brought to this point, when she was approached many years later by one of her prison camp guards. This is how she learned how to really forgive.

This is a lesson. Respectfully submitted for you-all on His behalf --- He has done it for me, one of his (figuratively) crucifiers.

35 posted on 07/25/2012 11:30:46 PM PDT by imardmd1 (Come and hear, all ye that fear God, and I will declare what He has done for my soul. Ps 66:16)
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To: Shadowstrike

I don’t recall reading where he was excusing him. Maybe I didn’t read it closely. Whatever, I got the sense that he was doing it for his own benefit. Maybe it was the only way he could get through his ordeal and be healed, don’t you think? You know people have their own way of dealing with a tragic and terrible event! Maybe it’s not the way you would!


36 posted on 07/26/2012 6:54:33 PM PDT by dsutah
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