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Legendary Director Peter Bogdanovich: What If Movies Are Part of the Problem?
Hollywood Reporter ^ | 07-24-12 | Gregg Kilday

Posted on 07/25/2012 6:41:11 PM PDT by P.O.E.

Peter Bogdanovich is no stranger to violence -- either onscreen or off. In an eerie foreshadowing of the Colorado tragedy, his very first film, 1968's Targets, starring Boris Karloff, ends with a sniper, an angry Vietnam War vet, picking off teenagers at a drive-in movie theater. But while that movie reflected the rising discord of the late '60s, it wasn't until 1980 that Bogdanovich experienced, first-hand, the full impact of violence when his companion, Dorothy Stratten, the Playboy model and actress, was brutally murdered by her estranged husband.

People go to a movie to have a good time, and they get killed. It's a horrible, horrible event. It makes me sick that I made a movie about it.

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Today, there's a general numbing of the audience. There's too much murder and killing. You make people insensitive by showing it all the time. The body count in pictures is huge. It numbs the audience into thinking it's not so terrible. Back in the '70s, I asked Orson Welles what he thought was happening to pictures, and he said, "We're brutalizing the audience. We're going to end up like the Roman circus, live at the Coliseum." The respect for human life seems to be eroding.

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KEYWORDS: 2ndamendment; aurorashootings; cultureofcorrution; culturewar; culturewars; fastandfurious; hollywood; mentaldisorder; peterbogdanovich; targets
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If I'm not mistaken, Targets was Karloff's last US picture.

Anyway, this is not news to most of us, just surprising to hear it from one of Hollywood's own.

1 posted on 07/25/2012 6:41:17 PM PDT by P.O.E.
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To: P.O.E.
Of course movies are a problem...reality itself is a problem.

Life is a problem. It is difficult to adapt to...not pretty...but there it is!

Get a life...and adapt!

2 posted on 07/25/2012 6:46:54 PM PDT by RoosterRedux (Obama: "If you've got a business -- you didn't build that. Somebody else made that happen.")
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To: P.O.E.

I don’t think he really cares. He just doesn’t want to be sued.


3 posted on 07/25/2012 6:49:56 PM PDT by freekitty (Give me back my conservative vote; then find me a real conservative to vote for)
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To: P.O.E.

We mustn’t dare say that! They’ll accuse us of wanting censorship. I would call it common sense. Movies to affect people, especially young people. I can remember acting out movies as kids. But I haven’t seen any of the Batman movies (though I used to love the TV show), so I can’t comment on them.


4 posted on 07/25/2012 6:50:13 PM PDT by ilovesarah2012
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To: P.O.E.

Peter Bogdanovich as Captain Obvious. Yes, I thought of “Targets” hearing of this recent incident. In the film the perp shoots into the audience from behind the screen at a drive-in theater, a highly symbolic and deeply thoughtful from the point of view of film history, scene.


5 posted on 07/25/2012 6:50:58 PM PDT by Revolting cat! (Bad things are wrong!)
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To: P.O.E.

At the same time, he takes the standard potshots at guns and the NRA.


6 posted on 07/25/2012 6:53:01 PM PDT by M1903A1 ("We shed all that is good and virtuous for that which is shoddy and sleazy... and call it progress")
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To: P.O.E.

IBDOEVHT - (In Before Defenders OF Entertainment Vehicle Product Hollywood Trash!)


7 posted on 07/25/2012 6:53:10 PM PDT by Revolting cat! (Bad things are wrong!)
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To: ilovesarah2012
But I haven’t seen any of the Batman movies (though I used to love the TV show), so I can’t comment on them.

I haven't seen the movies, either, but if they don't have Mayor Linseed and Governor Stonefellow, I don't see how they could be any good.

8 posted on 07/25/2012 6:53:46 PM PDT by aposiopetic
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To: P.O.E.

In other words: What if Water really is Wet??


9 posted on 07/25/2012 6:56:24 PM PDT by eyeamok
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To: P.O.E.

As a fan of movies, heavy metal music and a video gamer since the Atari 2600 days, it seems obvious that what we view/play will effect our views/perceptions. In today’s culture where actions are free from consequense, it’s also unsurprising that people feel free to act on impuls in a morality free way.

So what changed and why didn’t kids from the 40s-80s go psycho every week after all the ultraviolent gangster movies, loony tunes cartoons etc?

Well, first and foremost, PARENTS taught the concept of right and wrong...and they weren’t arrested or recipients of CPS ‘love’ for doing so. Kids went to church. Kids could act out their fantasies playing cops and robbers/cowboys and indians/army et all, without CPS and a team of teachers, psychologists-psychiatrists and the rest ‘reeducating’ them for simply playing childhood games.

Why are kids in front of the TV watching R movies and playing M rated games all day? Could it be that every time they go outside they have to navigate a PC world they have no clue of understanding (as it changes by the second), the EPA and ‘safety’ groups outlawed anything resembling ‘fun’ on public lands...

EVERY BIT of this issue is 100% the responsibility of liberalism. ALL OF IT. It all goes back to the same source.


10 posted on 07/25/2012 6:57:09 PM PDT by Norm Lenhart
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To: P.O.E.

I think we all realize that ‘whatever a man sows, that he also reaps.’ Or what goes around, comes around.
The year after Bambi came out hunting licenses dropped by 60% across America. (If my memory recall is accurate.) Movies do make an impact. It is ‘nice’ to know that some acknowledge that.


11 posted on 07/25/2012 6:58:51 PM PDT by PastorJimCM (truth matters)
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To: P.O.E.

it’s about time


12 posted on 07/25/2012 6:59:50 PM PDT by yldstrk ( My heroes have always been cowboys)
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To: P.O.E.

Karloff’s last picture was “Plan Nine from Outer Space” by Ed Wood. He died before it was completed.


13 posted on 07/25/2012 7:00:31 PM PDT by Lurker (Violence is rarely the answer. But when it is, it is the only answer.)
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To: PastorJimCM

“The year after Bambi came out...”

At first reading I thought you were referring to Bambi coming out as the first gay President.


14 posted on 07/25/2012 7:01:43 PM PDT by Magic Fingers (Political correctness mutates in order to remain virulent.)
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To: Lurker
Karloff’s last picture was “Plan Nine from Outer Space” by Ed Wood.

It killed him!

15 posted on 07/25/2012 7:02:25 PM PDT by Revolting cat! (Bad things are wrong!)
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To: Lurker

I believe you are thinking of Bela Lugosi. Karloff was not in Plan Nine at all.


16 posted on 07/25/2012 7:03:14 PM PDT by BelegStrongbow (St. Joseph, patron of fathers, pray for us!)
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To: M1903A1

Towards the end he goes on, uninformedly, about gun control. But given the world he inhabits, he probably never hears otherwise.


17 posted on 07/25/2012 7:04:49 PM PDT by P.O.E. (Pray for America)
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To: Lurker
Karloff’s last picture was “Plan Nine from Outer Space” by Ed Wood.

It didn't kill 'im. He wasn't in it.

18 posted on 07/25/2012 7:05:39 PM PDT by Revolting cat! (Bad things are wrong!)
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To: Lurker
Karloff’s last picture was “Plan Nine from Outer Space” by Ed Wood. He died before it was completed.

That was Bela Lugosi.

19 posted on 07/25/2012 7:06:06 PM PDT by Focault's Pendulum (If Obama was any more thin skinned, he'd have a receptacle end: Dennis Miller)
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To: Focault's Pendulum

I stand corrected. Thank you.


20 posted on 07/25/2012 7:13:48 PM PDT by Lurker (Violence is rarely the answer. But when it is, it is the only answer.)
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To: P.O.E.

He must listen to Michael Savage , who said as much last Friday on his show .


21 posted on 07/25/2012 7:18:24 PM PDT by sushiman
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To: Norm Lenhart

Agreed.

I feel sorry for kids now - most of them never get to have a “kid life”. Gone are the days when you were just shooed out of the house on Saturday mornings to run around and play, make friends, fight, fall and scrape your knees, whatever.

Liberals closed the asylums and opened the prison doors. Their lawyers made everyone sue-happy and at the same time staunchly defended the thugs & creeps. Liberal parenting (I blame Dr. Spock) has led to a generation of spoiled brats. The liberal state has tried to replace fathers and religion.


22 posted on 07/25/2012 7:22:03 PM PDT by P.O.E. (Pray for America)
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To: Norm Lenhart
EVERY BIT of this issue is 100% the responsibility of liberalism. ALL OF IT. It all goes back to the same source

Movies, music, media has enormous INFLUENCE on all walks of life, but they don't FORCE anyone to do anything. No one makes that distinction.
There isn't some all powerful OZ puppeteer reaching out from each movie screen forcing anyone to go do anything.
If it isn't movies influencing, it's video games. If it isn't video games influencing, it's books. If it isn't books influencing, it's paintings and art, if it isn't art.....etc etc etc.
The weak and evil minded will always be influenced and latch onto something.

As you explained, shouldn't we be blaming the whole of the liberalism that has infected eery inch of our society. It seems like such an easy and weak-kneed copout to just blame movies or video games.

Like I've asked in other threads:
The muslim countries of the middle east have all banned western entertainment, no movies, no books, no video games, no alcohol, yet how can one explain their murderous, ultra-violent, pedophilia cultures if they don't have the evil influence of our movies and video games?
23 posted on 07/25/2012 7:23:04 PM PDT by brent13a
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To: freekitty

Colorado Shooting Victim Suing Warner Bros For Making Violent Films

Read more at http://www.reagancoalition.com/articles/2012/20120725004-torrence-brown.html#XgGcWJPTfigscd2F.99


24 posted on 07/25/2012 7:24:38 PM PDT by ilovesarah2012
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To: P.O.E.

You guys are missing the fact that Holmes is a nut job and he was going to hurt people regardless if Hollywood churned out violent movies.


25 posted on 07/25/2012 7:24:51 PM PDT by stuck_in_new_orleans
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To: sushiman
He must listen to Michael Savage

Who just a couple years ago had a private screening of Rambo and went on an on about how awesome of a movie it and the Expendables was and even had Stallone on his show.
He's such an a$$hat hypocrite.
26 posted on 07/25/2012 7:25:36 PM PDT by brent13a
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To: stuck_in_new_orleans

Guns don’t kill people.....Movies don’t kill people.


27 posted on 07/25/2012 7:26:18 PM PDT by dfwgator (FUJR (not you, Jim))
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To: P.O.E.

This just reflects the breakdown of our society; the reign of those who consider that there is no such things as right and wrong or that good and evil are archaic superstitions at best and non-existent as even better.

And I wonder if the breakdown of the much maligned studio system may also play a part.


28 posted on 07/25/2012 7:31:01 PM PDT by GreyFriar (Spearhead - 3rd Armored Division 75-78 & 83-87)
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To: Lurker
FYI Karloff's real name was William Henry Pratt. Lugosi's real name was Béla Ferenc Dezső Blaskó.
29 posted on 07/25/2012 7:38:00 PM PDT by Focault's Pendulum (If Obama was any more thin skinned, he'd have a receptacle end: Dennis Miller)
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To: P.O.E.

If the shooter had seen Bogdanovich’s, “At Long Last Love” he probably would have shot himself.


30 posted on 07/25/2012 7:38:12 PM PDT by Anti-Bubba182
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To: Lurker
Karloff’s last picture was “Plan Nine from Outer Space” by Ed Wood.

I thought it was Warner Oland.

31 posted on 07/25/2012 7:43:05 PM PDT by Revolting cat! (Bad things are wrong!)
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To: brent13a

In my decades of video gaming (I’m primarily an RPG/D&D/Final Fantasy style gamer) I have axe murdered, sword slashed, lazer blasted and nuked probably several hundred thousand virtual ‘humans’. Yet I haven’t been in a real life physical altercation in 20 years, much less actually killed anyone.

Now if the libs are right about the whole guns/game violence thing, I and other gamers should have long since raped, pillaged and killed a whole bunch of people.

Sooooo....why haven’t we? Because most of us still have a sense of morality, right, wrong...you know, the very things liberals intentionally breed out of people through the miseducation system. And there is a direct correlation between increasingly violent people/kids and increasingly hostile to traditional values blather spouted by liberals.

Amazing that simple traditional outlooks and morality have prevented me turning into Atila the Hun or Mr. Homes. But it would indeed seem that they have dispute me having 20+ years of being ‘influenced’ on him.

Same thing goes for the millions of ‘gun nuts’ that don’t suddenly go full auto on the wife and kids. SOMEHOW they manage to resist the evil spirit of “The Gun” taunting them at night and whispering “Kill everyone!”

I mean come on. Guns ALL do that right? ;)


32 posted on 07/25/2012 7:50:01 PM PDT by Norm Lenhart
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To: Revolting cat!

Bela Lugosi. Karloff was around at least long enough to narrate “How The Grinch Stole Christmas”.


33 posted on 07/25/2012 7:58:28 PM PDT by RichInOC (No! BAD Rich! (What'd I say?))
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To: GreyFriar; Norm Lenhart
What Is More Deadly, Guns or Secular Liberalism?
34 posted on 07/25/2012 8:03:50 PM PDT by P.O.E. (Pray for America)
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To: P.O.E.

Movies certainly do influence people for good or bad.

I watched a Roy Rogers half hour show this afternoon. It had Roy, Dale and all the rest. There was a little girl whose Father was in trouble.

They found his Bible and noticed he had been reading a verse about forgiveness. Also toward the end, Roy, Dale, The Girl and even Pat Buttram all sang the song “the Bible Tells Me So”’

I immediately realized they would never show that in a modern TV show.


35 posted on 07/25/2012 8:27:54 PM PDT by yarddog
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To: P.O.E.
I think it is safe to say that horrific murder, rape, & mayhem is as old as man himself. Today's mass murderers have nothing on the Vandals, Huns, Mongols, the Inquisition, & most despots up until the modern era. “Hatchet Man” long predates the movies & TV.

While violent films may encourage violence in some viewers, for other viewers it is a reminder that evil exists & vigilance must be maintained.

Recall that scary movie you attended as a child. Did you leave the movie thinking you were invincible, or highly vulnerable?

I don't much care for highly violent films. The daily news is violent enough. But I do enjoy a good action pic, & if the bad guys get hot lead, so much the better.

The problem is not the movies. The problem is watching Mom & Dad at home getting drunk & beating the crap out of each other, or parents too busy to bother with the kids. The problem is schools/churches that teach relativist crap rather than moral imperatives. The problem is a gov’t that encourages promiscuity, sloth, & corruption. The problem is a society that doesn't know what is right or wrong.

36 posted on 07/25/2012 8:59:24 PM PDT by Mister Da (The mark of a wise man is not what he knows, but what he knows he doesn't know!)
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To: P.O.E.
Bogdanovich mentioned the murder/suicide of Dorothy Stratten. Did he ever stop and think it may have turned out differently, if Stratten had her own gun.

It was her soon to be ex-husband that murdered her. How many women are beaten to death, strangled, or stabbed to death as a result of such domestic situations?!

I'd bet most do not involve a gun. He is trying to tie one thing to another and not very successfully.

37 posted on 07/25/2012 9:39:17 PM PDT by World'sGoneInsane (What happened to checks and balances?!)
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To: P.O.E.; wagglebee
The other point I would make: Even with all the murders in the United States since the Kennedys were killed, very few people have experienced murder directly. Generally speaking, the average person hasn't experienced it, and the average director hasn't experienced it.

50 million dead by abortion, plus those killed by legal botched abortions.

But nobody knows anyone who has experienced/perpetrated such violence. < /sarc >

"How did Nixon win? Nobody I know voted for him!" - Pauline Kael.

38 posted on 07/25/2012 11:13:40 PM PDT by a fool in paradise (Eric Holder's NAACP rally against the voter ID laws required the press to bring govt issue photo ID.)
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To: P.O.E.
"... Guns don't kill people. People kill people" and all that bullsh!t from the NRA. Politicians are afraid to touch it because of the right wing. And nothing ever changes. We're living in the Wild West.

In the Wild West, you had a fighting chance. The audience in Aurora was told to leave the guns at home. The LAW ABIDING members of the audience were unarmed. Not so the villain.

39 posted on 07/25/2012 11:16:03 PM PDT by a fool in paradise (Eric Holder's NAACP rally against the voter ID laws required the press to bring govt issue photo ID.)
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To: P.O.E.
I'm not sure what the solution is. I just know that the violence in this country is out of control. And the fact that guns are so easy to get is chilling. But nobody wants to blame the movies. Nobody wants to blame guns. And yet, it's so easy to buy them and there are more murders in this country than anywhere else.

If the Left was REALLY upset about gun violence, they would be up in arms over the Obama Administration's "Fast and Furious" criminal conspiracy and the subsequent coverup.

40 posted on 07/25/2012 11:18:05 PM PDT by a fool in paradise (Eric Holder's NAACP rally against the voter ID laws required the press to bring govt issue photo ID.)
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To: Revolting cat!
How about Bobcat Goldthwait’s recent “God Bless America” where two liberals frustrated with modern American “culture” go on a shooting rampage (including audience members who were being “rude”, a Glenn Beck substitute, and Tea Party protesters)?
41 posted on 07/25/2012 11:22:18 PM PDT by a fool in paradise (Eric Holder's NAACP rally against the voter ID laws required the press to bring govt issue photo ID.)
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To: PastorJimCM

They claim that violence in movies has impact but that drug abuse, sexual promiscuity, homosexuality, adultery, and foul language are not mimicked by the culture based on media portrayals of such failings.

Only smoking and guns are “glamorized” by Hollywood.


42 posted on 07/25/2012 11:25:08 PM PDT by a fool in paradise (Eric Holder's NAACP rally against the voter ID laws required the press to bring govt issue photo ID.)
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To: brent13a

If comic books don’t have any influence on the culture, why are Marvel, DC, Archie, et al introducing gay character relationships and storylines?

Where they have an agenda to push, they believe they can impact the culture through their “stories”.


43 posted on 07/25/2012 11:29:40 PM PDT by a fool in paradise (Eric Holder's NAACP rally against the voter ID laws required the press to bring govt issue photo ID.)
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To: P.O.E.

Let’s everyone be bored cause a few wackjobs can’t tell fantasy from reality.


44 posted on 07/25/2012 11:59:35 PM PDT by Impy (Don't call me red.)
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To: eyeamok
What if Water really is Wet??

Most of it is. Unless you get that powdered water. I don't use the stuff because I can't figure out what to mix it with.

(yes, I stole that)

45 posted on 07/26/2012 12:57:19 AM PDT by UCANSEE2 (Lame and ill-informed post)
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To: a fool in paradise
Only smoking and guns are “glamorized” by Hollywood.

True. Despite their claims of trying to discourage violence, most of them appear on their Movie Covers holding a gun. The higher the body count, the better the gross on the movie.

Movies don't make people violent. (well... unless it's a Bruce Lee Movie).

It is we who are violent, movies are merely a reflection of human beings.

The WEIRD thing about us in the United States is that we are saturated in 'fictional' violence, and rarely exposed to 'the real thing'. While the movie violence makes us drink more pop, the real thing causes most to vomit. That is why our news is censored.

In other countries, REAL violence is shown. The blood is real, and the shots are not cropped (for America's sensitive audience).

46 posted on 07/26/2012 1:19:18 AM PDT by UCANSEE2 (Lame and ill-informed post)
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To: P.O.E.
I asked Orson Welles what he thought was happening to pictures, and he said, "We're brutalizing the audience. We're going to end up like the Roman circus, live at the Coliseum."

End up ? How about start out ?

How about some mass violence?


47 posted on 07/26/2012 1:29:25 AM PDT by UCANSEE2 (Lame and ill-informed post)
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To: ilovesarah2012

That didn’t take long. Bet the tort lawyers are salvatating.


48 posted on 07/26/2012 2:12:38 AM PDT by freekitty (Give me back my conservative vote; then find me a real conservative to vote for)
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To: Lurker

No, no, no. Bela Lugosi starred in the Ed Woods’ movies.


49 posted on 07/26/2012 3:52:26 AM PDT by miss marmelstein
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To: P.O.E.

Planned Parenthood Inc. (a part of secular liberalism)


50 posted on 07/26/2012 6:11:40 AM PDT by GreyFriar (Spearhead - 3rd Armored Division 75-78 & 83-87)
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