Skip to comments.Legendary Director Peter Bogdanovich: What If Movies Are Part of the Problem?
Posted on 07/25/2012 6:41:11 PM PDT by P.O.E.
Peter Bogdanovich is no stranger to violence -- either onscreen or off. In an eerie foreshadowing of the Colorado tragedy, his very first film, 1968's Targets, starring Boris Karloff, ends with a sniper, an angry Vietnam War vet, picking off teenagers at a drive-in movie theater. But while that movie reflected the rising discord of the late '60s, it wasn't until 1980 that Bogdanovich experienced, first-hand, the full impact of violence when his companion, Dorothy Stratten, the Playboy model and actress, was brutally murdered by her estranged husband.
People go to a movie to have a good time, and they get killed. It's a horrible, horrible event. It makes me sick that I made a movie about it.
Today, there's a general numbing of the audience. There's too much murder and killing. You make people insensitive by showing it all the time. The body count in pictures is huge. It numbs the audience into thinking it's not so terrible. Back in the '70s, I asked Orson Welles what he thought was happening to pictures, and he said, "We're brutalizing the audience. We're going to end up like the Roman circus, live at the Coliseum." The respect for human life seems to be eroding.
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Anyway, this is not news to most of us, just surprising to hear it from one of Hollywood's own.
Life is a problem. It is difficult to adapt to...not pretty...but there it is!
Get a life...and adapt!
I don’t think he really cares. He just doesn’t want to be sued.
We mustn’t dare say that! They’ll accuse us of wanting censorship. I would call it common sense. Movies to affect people, especially young people. I can remember acting out movies as kids. But I haven’t seen any of the Batman movies (though I used to love the TV show), so I can’t comment on them.
Peter Bogdanovich as Captain Obvious. Yes, I thought of “Targets” hearing of this recent incident. In the film the perp shoots into the audience from behind the screen at a drive-in theater, a highly symbolic and deeply thoughtful from the point of view of film history, scene.
At the same time, he takes the standard potshots at guns and the NRA.
IBDOEVHT - (In Before Defenders OF Entertainment Vehicle Product Hollywood Trash!)
I haven't seen the movies, either, but if they don't have Mayor Linseed and Governor Stonefellow, I don't see how they could be any good.
In other words: What if Water really is Wet??
As a fan of movies, heavy metal music and a video gamer since the Atari 2600 days, it seems obvious that what we view/play will effect our views/perceptions. In today’s culture where actions are free from consequense, it’s also unsurprising that people feel free to act on impuls in a morality free way.
So what changed and why didn’t kids from the 40s-80s go psycho every week after all the ultraviolent gangster movies, loony tunes cartoons etc?
Well, first and foremost, PARENTS taught the concept of right and wrong...and they weren’t arrested or recipients of CPS ‘love’ for doing so. Kids went to church. Kids could act out their fantasies playing cops and robbers/cowboys and indians/army et all, without CPS and a team of teachers, psychologists-psychiatrists and the rest ‘reeducating’ them for simply playing childhood games.
Why are kids in front of the TV watching R movies and playing M rated games all day? Could it be that every time they go outside they have to navigate a PC world they have no clue of understanding (as it changes by the second), the EPA and ‘safety’ groups outlawed anything resembling ‘fun’ on public lands...
EVERY BIT of this issue is 100% the responsibility of liberalism. ALL OF IT. It all goes back to the same source.
I think we all realize that ‘whatever a man sows, that he also reaps.’ Or what goes around, comes around.
The year after Bambi came out hunting licenses dropped by 60% across America. (If my memory recall is accurate.) Movies do make an impact. It is ‘nice’ to know that some acknowledge that.
it’s about time
Karloff’s last picture was “Plan Nine from Outer Space” by Ed Wood. He died before it was completed.
“The year after Bambi came out...”
At first reading I thought you were referring to Bambi coming out as the first gay President.
It killed him!
I believe you are thinking of Bela Lugosi. Karloff was not in Plan Nine at all.
Towards the end he goes on, uninformedly, about gun control. But given the world he inhabits, he probably never hears otherwise.
It didn't kill 'im. He wasn't in it.
That was Bela Lugosi.
I stand corrected. Thank you.
He must listen to Michael Savage , who said as much last Friday on his show .
I feel sorry for kids now - most of them never get to have a “kid life”. Gone are the days when you were just shooed out of the house on Saturday mornings to run around and play, make friends, fight, fall and scrape your knees, whatever.
Liberals closed the asylums and opened the prison doors. Their lawyers made everyone sue-happy and at the same time staunchly defended the thugs & creeps. Liberal parenting (I blame Dr. Spock) has led to a generation of spoiled brats. The liberal state has tried to replace fathers and religion.
Colorado Shooting Victim Suing Warner Bros For Making Violent Films
You guys are missing the fact that Holmes is a nut job and he was going to hurt people regardless if Hollywood churned out violent movies.
Guns don’t kill people.....Movies don’t kill people.
This just reflects the breakdown of our society; the reign of those who consider that there is no such things as right and wrong or that good and evil are archaic superstitions at best and non-existent as even better.
And I wonder if the breakdown of the much maligned studio system may also play a part.
If the shooter had seen Bogdanovich’s, “At Long Last Love” he probably would have shot himself.
I thought it was Warner Oland.
In my decades of video gaming (I’m primarily an RPG/D&D/Final Fantasy style gamer) I have axe murdered, sword slashed, lazer blasted and nuked probably several hundred thousand virtual ‘humans’. Yet I haven’t been in a real life physical altercation in 20 years, much less actually killed anyone.
Now if the libs are right about the whole guns/game violence thing, I and other gamers should have long since raped, pillaged and killed a whole bunch of people.
Sooooo....why haven’t we? Because most of us still have a sense of morality, right, wrong...you know, the very things liberals intentionally breed out of people through the miseducation system. And there is a direct correlation between increasingly violent people/kids and increasingly hostile to traditional values blather spouted by liberals.
Amazing that simple traditional outlooks and morality have prevented me turning into Atila the Hun or Mr. Homes. But it would indeed seem that they have dispute me having 20+ years of being ‘influenced’ on him.
Same thing goes for the millions of ‘gun nuts’ that don’t suddenly go full auto on the wife and kids. SOMEHOW they manage to resist the evil spirit of “The Gun” taunting them at night and whispering “Kill everyone!”
I mean come on. Guns ALL do that right? ;)
Bela Lugosi. Karloff was around at least long enough to narrate “How The Grinch Stole Christmas”.
Movies certainly do influence people for good or bad.
I watched a Roy Rogers half hour show this afternoon. It had Roy, Dale and all the rest. There was a little girl whose Father was in trouble.
They found his Bible and noticed he had been reading a verse about forgiveness. Also toward the end, Roy, Dale, The Girl and even Pat Buttram all sang the song “the Bible Tells Me So”’
I immediately realized they would never show that in a modern TV show.
While violent films may encourage violence in some viewers, for other viewers it is a reminder that evil exists & vigilance must be maintained.
Recall that scary movie you attended as a child. Did you leave the movie thinking you were invincible, or highly vulnerable?
I don't much care for highly violent films. The daily news is violent enough. But I do enjoy a good action pic, & if the bad guys get hot lead, so much the better.
The problem is not the movies. The problem is watching Mom & Dad at home getting drunk & beating the crap out of each other, or parents too busy to bother with the kids. The problem is schools/churches that teach relativist crap rather than moral imperatives. The problem is a gov’t that encourages promiscuity, sloth, & corruption. The problem is a society that doesn't know what is right or wrong.
It was her soon to be ex-husband that murdered her. How many women are beaten to death, strangled, or stabbed to death as a result of such domestic situations?!
I'd bet most do not involve a gun. He is trying to tie one thing to another and not very successfully.
50 million dead by abortion, plus those killed by legal botched abortions.
But nobody knows anyone who has experienced/perpetrated such violence. < /sarc >
"How did Nixon win? Nobody I know voted for him!" - Pauline Kael.
In the Wild West, you had a fighting chance. The audience in Aurora was told to leave the guns at home. The LAW ABIDING members of the audience were unarmed. Not so the villain.
If the Left was REALLY upset about gun violence, they would be up in arms over the Obama Administration's "Fast and Furious" criminal conspiracy and the subsequent coverup.
They claim that violence in movies has impact but that drug abuse, sexual promiscuity, homosexuality, adultery, and foul language are not mimicked by the culture based on media portrayals of such failings.
Only smoking and guns are “glamorized” by Hollywood.
If comic books don’t have any influence on the culture, why are Marvel, DC, Archie, et al introducing gay character relationships and storylines?
Where they have an agenda to push, they believe they can impact the culture through their “stories”.
Let’s everyone be bored cause a few wackjobs can’t tell fantasy from reality.
Most of it is. Unless you get that powdered water. I don't use the stuff because I can't figure out what to mix it with.
(yes, I stole that)
True. Despite their claims of trying to discourage violence, most of them appear on their Movie Covers holding a gun. The higher the body count, the better the gross on the movie.
Movies don't make people violent. (well... unless it's a Bruce Lee Movie).
It is we who are violent, movies are merely a reflection of human beings.
The WEIRD thing about us in the United States is that we are saturated in 'fictional' violence, and rarely exposed to 'the real thing'. While the movie violence makes us drink more pop, the real thing causes most to vomit. That is why our news is censored.
In other countries, REAL violence is shown. The blood is real, and the shots are not cropped (for America's sensitive audience).
End up ? How about start out ?
How about some mass violence?
That didn’t take long. Bet the tort lawyers are salvatating.
No, no, no. Bela Lugosi starred in the Ed Woods’ movies.
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