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Colorado shooter: a high achiever's abrupt descent
Reuters ^ | July 23, 2012 | Stephanie Simon and Dan Whitcomb

Posted on 07/26/2012 5:06:34 AM PDT by Mrs. Don-o

For most of his 24 years, James Holmes seemed to be doing everything right.

He worked for a summer as a counselor at a camp for needy kids, guiding them through activities designed to teach empathy, compassion and good citizenship. Another summer, he snagged a prestigious internship at the Salk Institute for Biological Studies.

He attended church with his family in their quiet, upper-middle-class San Diego neighborhood, listening to his sister play bass in the worship band. He breezed through high school and college, taking a strong interest in science and graduating with honors from the University of California, Riverside.

Friends and acquaintances of Holmes say they had no inkling that anything was awry with him --

"It's absurd. It's so out of character for this young man," said Jerry Borgie, senior pastor at Penasquitos Lutheran Church in San Diego, where the Holmes family worshipped. "James had goals. He was going to succeed."

But a few hints have emerged in recent days that Holmes may have struggled far more than those around him realized.

His summer internship at the Salk Institute in La Jolla, California, in 2006 might have been impressive on paper, but...

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TOPICS: Crime/Corruption; News/Current Events; US: Colorado
KEYWORDS: auorashooting; auraro; jamesholmes; jamesholmesbio; massacre; massmurder
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To: glock rocks

61 posted on 07/26/2012 7:34:50 AM PDT by RummyChick
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To: Gay State Conservative

Nope, schizo’s emerge in early adulthood. This makes more sense with Holmes than Bishop age wise. Although, I don’t think Holmes could possibly function so highly to set up Aurora if he was schizo! Schizo’s can’t organize complex projects, or plan out elaborate schemes.

62 posted on 07/26/2012 7:41:19 AM PDT by STD ([You must help] people in theĀ…feel so frustrated, so defeated, so lost, so futureless)
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To: Gay State Conservative

That’s the problem and I suspect what Holmes’ parents were up against.

63 posted on 07/26/2012 7:46:38 AM PDT by libstripper
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To: RummyChick


64 posted on 07/26/2012 7:51:03 AM PDT by glock rocks (optimist / pessimist? I'm an awesomist - There's a dragon in that glass!)
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To: Mrs. Don-o

His mother has been quoted as saying “you have the right person”.

There was a letter to the Houston Chronicle yesterday where a woman had not heard that his mother was taking about her self. The letter writer ranted about people knowing others were unstable and doing nothing about it.

The media could have made her statement clear from the beginning but then that’s not what the media does.

65 posted on 07/26/2012 7:51:24 AM PDT by Ditter
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To: The Duke; henkster
It’s always made sense to me that a criminal must have opportunity, means and motive. What is missing here is motive, which suggests the possibility of insanity to me.

I'm reminded of the Batman line: "Some people just want to watch the world burn". Lots of people are convicted of murder, whose only motive was that they got sexual satisfaction from killing the victim.

Henkster, please correct me if I'm wrong, but I get the impression that for a finding of LEGAL insanity, the accused must be shown to be so insane that he's not aware of what he's doing. That while the rest of us know he strangled an eight year old girl, he sincerely believed he was destroying a demon or alien monster.

66 posted on 07/26/2012 8:02:33 AM PDT by PapaBear3625 (If I can't be persuasive, I at least hope to be fun.)
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To: 1_Rain_Drop
neuroscience should be banned.

It's not that neuroscience creates crazies, as much as people who have "issues" may decide to go into psych or neuro in order to try to understand their own issues.

67 posted on 07/26/2012 8:05:08 AM PDT by PapaBear3625 (If I can't be persuasive, I at least hope to be fun.)
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To: Nervous Tick

-Setting up that insanity plea.

Don’t be surprised if the Colorado state psychiatrists diagnose schizophrenia. This guy may indeed be insane and unfit to stand trial. We will know more at the hearing. It used to be called NGRI (Not Guilty by Reason of Insanity) but that changed after Hinkley. The burden of proof has shifted to the defense and it is much harder now.

Schizophrenia seems to explain the change in behavior. It hits at random and if you’re going to get it, it usually strikes in the early to mid-twenties. This is a horrible illness, this time with an almost unimaginable outcome. My prayers go out to the victims and their families and the family/friends of this mass-murderer. He will most likely be institutionalized and medicated for the rest of his life but the carnage he left behind is heart-breaking. The consequences of our actions are life changing and long lasting.


68 posted on 07/26/2012 8:07:35 AM PDT by thepoodlebites (and that government of the people, by the people, for the people, shall not perish from the earth.)
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To: DiogenesLamp
Why must the only consideration be to "punish" them? Why can we not simply acknowledge that they represent an ever present danger to others and therefore ought to be killed on that basis alone? This is the methodology we use with bears that kill, or mountain lions, or dogs, or monkeys.

1. Humans are not animals

2. At one time we burnt people at the stake believing they were witches when in fact they were insane or mentally disturbed at the time.

3. I think people who commit crimes like this shooter should be locked up for life.

4. We should be more proactive with these people rather than reactive as another poster suggested.

4. It's been proven that many people who are violent have a chemical defect or portions of their brain missing that cause these outburst which normal people do not have. I suspect 50-60 years from now we will be able to treat people with mental illness before they go off..maybe even in the womb through medication.

5. I believe some people are just evil and do violent stuff.

We kill "sane" people who murder. Do we do this to "punish" them? Or do we do this for it's deterrence effect on other potential murderers?

Lettuce be real, the death penalty is not a deterrent. Murders only have remorse and are afraid of the death penalty only after they get caught.

69 posted on 07/26/2012 8:10:05 AM PDT by trailhkr1 (Bigamy: Having at least one wife too many. Monogamy: Definitely having one wife too many.)
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To: Mrs. Don-o
We must keep in mind that the movie, "Batman: The Dark Knight Rises", bashed the Marxist "Occupy" movement. And there are a LOT of people on the extreme Left who would have, or could still, easily qualify as "crazy", Bill Ayers and Bernardine Dohrn, two good examples...

"Kill all the rich people. Break up their cars and apartments. Bring the revolution home, kill your parents, that's where it's really at"
--Bill Ayers (1970), quoted in New York Times, September 11, 2001:

Article: "No Regrets for a Love Of Explosives; In a Memoir of Sorts, a War Protester Talks of Life With the Weathermen">

"Dig It. First they killed those pigs [ie, rich people], then they ate dinner in the same room with them, they even shoved a fork into a victim’s stomach! Wild!"
-Weather Underground leader and wife of Bill Ayers, Bernardine Dohrn, referring to the Manson murders

Article: Allies in War -by David Horowitz | Monday, September 17, 2001

"It was at the Chicago home of [Bill] Ayers and [Bernardine] Dohrn that Obama, then an up-and-coming 'community organizer,' had his political coming out party in 1995. Not content with this rite of passage in Lefty World — where unrepentant terrorists are regarded as progressive luminaries, still working 'only to educate' — both Obamas tended to the relationship with the Ayers."
Article: The Company He Keeps:
Meet Obama’s circle: The same old America-hating Left

70 posted on 07/26/2012 8:11:35 AM PDT by ETL (ALL (most?) of the Obama-commie connections at my FR Home page:
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To: Mrs. Don-o
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From Breitbart, one day before the shooting...

("Dark Knight" was ANTI-Occupy, PRO-Capitalist)

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71 posted on 07/26/2012 8:12:42 AM PDT by ETL (ALL (most?) of the Obama-commie connections at my FR Home page:
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To: Mrs. Don-o
Undercover agent Larry Grathwohl discusses the Weather Underground's post-revolution governing plans for the United States:

Larry Grathwohl:

"I asked, 'well what is going to happen to those people we can't reeducate, that are diehard capitalists?' and the reply was that they'd have to be eliminated. And when I pursued this further, they estimated they would have to eliminate 25 million people in these reeducation centers. And when I say 'eliminate,' I mean 'kill.' Twenty-five million people. I want you to imagine sitting in a room with 25 people, most of which have graduate degrees, from Columbia and other well-known educational centers, and hear them figuring out the logistics for the elimination of 25 million people. And they were dead serious."

72 posted on 07/26/2012 8:13:42 AM PDT by ETL (ALL (most?) of the Obama-commie connections at my FR Home page:
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To: PapaBear3625

Very good point.

Makes sense.

73 posted on 07/26/2012 8:15:49 AM PDT by 1_Rain_Drop
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To: justice14; RummyChick

I don’t doubt that a trained Marine would conclude that an operation as described by the media would be difficult to pull off by an individual, even a trained one. One aspect that bothered me was the tear gas canisters he allegedly tossed in. It’s not an item that civilians can typically get off the shelf, unless he made it himself.

74 posted on 07/26/2012 8:17:40 AM PDT by PapaBear3625 (If I can't be persuasive, I at least hope to be fun.)
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To: Mrs. Don-o

The silicon chip inside his head got switched to overload.

75 posted on 07/26/2012 8:23:44 AM PDT by dead (I've got my eye out for Mullah Omar.)
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To: RummyChick

I think he’s responding to the initial reports. You know the ones where the media was exaggerating to his ammunition, vest and explosives. He probably thinks the bombs were real boms and not perhaps what they may turn out to be- firecrackers.

I don’t think he spends much time on FR where are lot of the stuff has been examined, turned over and debunked.

76 posted on 07/26/2012 8:25:27 AM PDT by 1_Rain_Drop
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To: RummyChick

In regards to this Marine’s photo, it’s probably ‘real’ and probably incorrect.

Marines are teamwork-oriented folks that focus on excelling at tasks in the context of an overall team objective within the given rules. They carry a lot of programming as far as ‘how things are done’, both tactically and as far as what you might call ‘fighting fair.’ They view everything through the lens of Marine philosophy. While I have the utmost respect for the Marines in their ability to work in a highly proficient and synchronized manner, thinking out of the box ain’t their strong suit.

This shooter is an asymmetric warfare poster child. He took the best available technology for a limited amount of money (probably closer to 5k than 20), utilized terrain to his utmost advantage (dark clothing while in darkness, light and noise distraction from movie, room full of obstacles and only two feasible exits, homemade chemical bombs, element of surprise), and then surrendered, knowing the police’s ROE would prohibit them from killing him once he did.

For whatever his point was, he went about it very efficiently.

He’s not crazy by any means; far from it. This took quite a bit of research, forethought and precision. Nothing a dedicated and resourceful mind couldn’t pull off, but also nothing that a ‘normal’ person would consider. Having the will to shoot 50+ people in cold blood is the factor the Marine can’t fathom, but it’s the one that makes all other things possible. Once you have the will, the means are very available to an intelligent and patient man.

Not to fully dismiss the Marine’s opinion, but it’s out of his field of experience. As a former intel guy with SOF experience and more than a long weekend dealing with our Islamist friends, I’m not unused to red cell operations and know quite a few people who still are in the game. Looking at things from an enemy’s standpoint is a different way of thinking and viewing the world. The easiest mistake is to assume they are a mirror reflection of you. They’re not.

Being strong enough to take a hill against armed opponents isn’t the same skillset as being able to spot weakness in a much larger opponent and capitalize on it. This Colorado shooter isn’t some kind of super killing machine; just a dedicated man who denies himself any limits but understands the limits of others (terrain, confusion, fear, police protocol) intrinsically. Marines are creatures of objectives and limits, and have a hard time fathoming people that have none.

77 posted on 07/26/2012 8:44:21 AM PDT by Steel Wolf ("Few men desire liberty; most men wish only for a just master." - Gaius Sallustius Crispus)
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To: Mrs. Don-o
The "Black Bloc" is an ultra-violent faction of the OWS movement. James Holmes was apparently dressed in Black Bloc-type attire during the rampage. The film playing at the time (Batman/The Dark Knight Rises) (rightfully) depicts the 'Occupy' movement as anti-Capitalist. The film is pro-Capitalist, anti-OWS. Its directors proudly and openly describe themselves as pro-capitalist Conservatives. So there is at least SOME reason to believe the attack might be politically motivated. James Holmes said to the police following the rampage, "I am the Joker". The Joker of course is the enemy of the pro-Capitalist, pro-Conservative Batman.

"Violence like the massacre that happened in Aurora, Colo., today is a staple of action films, including Christopher Nolan's Batman trilogy. A similar, now haunting, scene unfurls in "The Dark Knight Rises" when a masked villain leads a violent gang into a packed football stadium and deploys guns and explosives on the unsuspecting crowd.

While there has been no indication as to the motives of James Holmes, the suspected 24-year-old shooter who is now in custody, new evidence suggests that he was inspired by the Batman series of comic books and/or movies.

Law enforcement sources confirmed to ABC News that Holmes said "I am the Joker" when apprehended by authorities. His hair was painted red, the same hair color of Heath Ledger's Joker at one point in 2008's "The Dark Knight."


There are more parallels. In Frank Miller's iconic 1986 comic book series, "The Dark Knight Returns," the Joker murders a television studio audience by deploying "smile gas." Holmes began his massacre by setting off smoke bombs throughout the theater.

In the same book, Arnold Crimp, a disturbed man who just lost his job, pulls out a handgun in an adult film theater and kills three people. A scene from the strip shows a news anchor saying, "Three slain in Batman-inspired porn theater shoot-out." ..."

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78 posted on 07/26/2012 8:44:49 AM PDT by ETL (ALL (most?) of the Obama-commie connections at my FR Home page:
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To: The Duke

“What is missing here is motive, which suggests the possibility of insanity to me.”

The motive is the great joy and release he felt in killing people.

On the one hand, you can say that is “insane.” But it’s not insane as in, he didn’t know what he was doing.

There is great evil in the world. It’s not crazy. It’s just evil.

79 posted on 07/26/2012 8:51:02 AM PDT by Persevero (Homeschooling for Excellence since 1992)
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To: Mrs. Don-o
The "Black Bloc", of which this lunatic MAY have been a part, is a far LEFT, very violent, anarchist movement.

From the website Examiner...

The reports that Aurora movie theater gunman James E. Holmes was a former member of the “Black Bloc” faction of the Occupy movement have caused considerable debate. Yet the most strident denials of this reportage seem to come almost entirely from the political left. More objective sources as well as blogs and web sites on the right seem to assert Holmes was a member of the group.

The “Black Bloc” faction of Occupy has targeted law enforcement in other instances, and three members of the group are facing charges of attempting to kill cops in Chicago. It has become clear the “booby-trapping” of his apartment with trip wires and bombs was intended to kill the most likely next persons to enter that apartment, namely law enforcement. Aurora, Colorado police have state they are angry at knowing they were targeted in this way by the alleged movie theater shooter.

The web site has done an analysis of the commonly seen picture of Holmes along with two others that are allegedly him also, one from the dating site profile that is believed to have been his that had the line about visiting him in prison soon, and another of a mug shot of an Occupy New York member arrested in October of 2011.

Private Investigator Bill Warren reported on his blog the connection between Holmes and the Occupy movement, and his web site is still reporting that information as a result of his investigation of the issue. As some of the left seem to more stridently deny the connection, it appears more evidence is reported showing that Holmes might well be a member of the Occupy movement or a former member of the group.

80 posted on 07/26/2012 8:51:36 AM PDT by ETL (ALL (most?) of the Obama-commie connections at my FR Home page:
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