Skip to comments.Obama losing a majority ... who think he's a Christian
Posted on 07/27/2012 7:01:47 AM PDT by ConservativeStatement
President Obama is struggling to get to 50% not just of voters in November -- but of Americans, at any time, who will recognize that he is a Christian.
The Pew Research Center's Forum on Religion and Public Life released a survey Thursday showing that just 49% of Americans described the president as a Christian, while 17% said they believed he was Muslim. Just before the 2008 election, a majority, 55%, described then-candidate Obamas faith as Christian, while just 12% said he was Muslim.
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Personally, I believe there are more humans who believe in the Tooth Fairy than believe he isn’t a Muslim...certainly NOT a Christian.
"he's a Christian,he's a Christian,he's a Christian"
“...who will recognize that he is a Christian....”
Nice try, journogoons.
The Obamadork has only one god, and the dork sees his god whenever he looks into a mirror.
Oh, and the Obamadork was born in Hawaii, too.
If it was proven that Obama really was a Christian during his stay at the White House, wouldn’t the ACLU then file a lawsuit because of the obvious lack of separation between Church and State?
From a 2008 interview:
OBAMA: (snip) You're absolutely right that John McCain has not talked about my Muslim faith, and you're absolutely right that that has not come -
STEPHANOPOULOS: Your Christian faith.
OBAMA: My Christian faith - well, what I'm saying is -
Obama’s defenders say that he simply misspoke here. Still, it's very odd.
I don’t know if he’s a Christian, Muslim, Hindu, whatever. I think he really just believes in himself and leftism and will say what he needs to for the current group he wants votes from.
If an individual was tasked to determine his faith based on his actions, associates, and speeches he would say he is Muslim. He has made more than one speech extolling the virtues of the Muslim religion. I do not remember any speech he has made extolling the virtue of Christianity. I do not know what the hell he is. I do know he is not a christian in the classical sense of Christianity.
Obama is Christian if a militant black unitarian, Jesus is just a man not a savior, is considered Christian.
Yep, that struck me as “too strange” also. I can’t imagine ANY Christian making that mistake.
I’m sorry but he’s studied the Koran in Indonesia and spent his “Christian” time in a black liberation theology church.
...not sure what type of “Christian” that could make him.
“You’re absolutely right that John McCain has not talked about my Muslim faith”
Exactly; we are supposed to ignore all of the things Obama has said without his teleprompter handlers (they don’t count).
He really is a stupid idiot, and I can see why he needed his R2-D2 unit to speak to kindergarteners.
As far as I am concerned, that is proof.
LAT looking for an excuse, pre-shadowing Bobo’s defeat in November...
He’s not so much Muslim as he is anti-christian.
The Muslims get his sympathy because they are anti-christian as well.
I bet he’s got a prayer rug in his office and 2nd floor residence.
I don’t know whether he is a Muslim, or not, but he is certainly a Muslim sympathizer.
As far as a Muslim is concerned, repudiation of the moon god bears a death penalty, regardless of what subsequent belief is adopted. Whether or not he is apostate is not a matter of what I think, but what they think. There is no fatwa.
He isn't seriously religious at all. He's a communist. Commies despise and mock religion. He only USES religion to gather support.
The Real Story Behind Rev. Wright's Controversial Black Liberation Theology Doctrine
Monday , May 5, 2008
[special Friday night edition--original airdate May 2, 2008]
(some key excerpts)
["(Jose) Diaz-Balart is the son of Rafael Diaz-Balart y Guitierrez (a former Cuban politician). He has three bothers, Rafael Diaz-Balart (a banker), Mario Diaz-Balart (a US Congressman) and Lincoln Diaz-Balart (also a US Congressman). His aunt, Mirta Diaz-Balart, was Fidel Castro's first wife."
JOSE DIAZ-BALART, TELEMUNDO NETWORK: "Liberation theology in Nicaragua in the mid-1980's was a pro-Sandinista, pro-Marxist, anti-U.S., anti-Catholic Church movement. That's it. No ifs, ands, or buts. His church apparently supported, in the mid-'80s in Nicaragua, groups that supported the Sandinista dictatorships and that were opposed to the Contras whose reason for being was calling for elections. That's all I know. I was there.
I saw the churches in Nicaragua that he spoke of, and the churches were churches that talked about the need for violent revolution and I remember clearly one of the major churches in Managua where the Jesus Christ on the altar was not Jesus Christ, he was a Sandinista soldier, and the priests talked about the corruption of the West, talked about the need for revolution everywhere, and talked about 'the evil empire' which was the United States of America."
REV. BOB SCHENCK, NATIONAL CLERGY COUNCIL: "it's based in Marxism. At the core of his [Wright's] theology is really an anti-Christian understanding of God, and as part of a long history of individuals who actually advocate using violence in overthrowing those they perceive to be oppressing them, even acts of murder have been defended by followers of liberation theology. That's very, very dangerous."
SCHENCK: "I was actually the only person escorted to Dr. Wright. He asked to see me, and I simply welcomed him to Washington, and then I said Dr. Wright, I want to bring you a warning: your embrace of Marxist liberation theology. It is contrary to the Gospel, and you need, sir, to abandon it. And at that he dropped the handshake and made it clear that he was not in the mood to dialogue on that point."
Source: The Real Story Behind Rev. Wright's Controversial Black Liberation Theology Doctrine:
Obama's Church: Gospel of Hate
Kathy Shaidle, FrontPageMag.com
Monday, April 07, 2008
In March of 2007, FOX News host Sean Hannity had engaged Obamas pastor in a heated interview about his Churchs teachings. For many viewers, the ensuing shouting match was their first exposure to "Black Liberation Theology"...
Like the pro-communist Liberation Theology that swept Central America in the 1980s and was repeatedly condemned by Pope John Paul II, Black Liberation Theology combines warmed-over 1960s vintage Marxism with carefully distorted biblical passages. However, in contrast to traditional Marxism, it emphasizes race rather than class. The Christian notion of "salvation" in the afterlife is superseded by "liberation" on earth, courtesy of the establishment of a socialist utopia.
Catholics for Marx [Liberation Theology]
By Fr. Robert Sirico
FrontPageMagazine.com | Thursday, June 03, 2004
In the days when the Superpowers were locked in a Cold War, Latin America seethed with revolution, and millions lived behind an iron curtain, a group of theologians concocted a novel idea within the history of Christianity. They proposed to combine the teachings of Jesus with the teachings of Marx as a way of justifying violent revolution to overthrow the economics of capitalism.
The Gospels were re-rendered not as doctrine impacting on the human soul but rather as windows into the historical dialectic of class struggle. These "liberation theologians" saw every biblical criticism of the rich as a mandate to expropriate the expropriating owners of capital, and every expression of compassion for the poor as a call for an uprising by the proletarian class of peasants and workers.
Feb 26, 2008
"Barack Obama received at least some instruction in the Islamic faith of his father and went with him to the mosque, but the importance of this experience is vastly overstated by conservative commentators who seek to portray Obama as a Muslim of sorts. Radical anti-Americanism, rather than Islam, was the reigning faith in the Dunham household. ...
Barack Obama is a clever fellow who imbibed hatred of America with his mother's milk, but worked his way up the elite ladder of education and career. He shares the resentment of Muslims against the encroachment of American culture, although not their religion. He has the empathetic skill set of an anthropologist who lives with his subjects, learns their language, and elicits their hopes and fears while remaining at emotional distance. That is, he is the political equivalent of a sociopath. The difference is that he is practicing not on a primitive tribe but on the population of the United States.
There is nothing mysterious about Obama's methods. "A demagogue tries to sound as stupid as his audience so that they will think they are as clever as he is," wrote Karl Krauss. Americans are the world's biggest suckers, and laugh at this weakness in their popular culture. Listening to Obama speak, Sinclair Lewis' cynical tent-revivalist Elmer Gantry comes to mind, or, even better, Tyrone Power's portrayal of a carnival mentalist in the 1947 film noire Nightmare Alley. The latter is available for instant viewing at Netflix, and highly recommended as an antidote to having felt uplifted by an Obama speech. ..."
Article: Obama's women reveal his secret
Amazon Book Review:
"Vastly Illuminating!" September 25, 2004
By Kat Bakhu
"I had long wondered why people on the Left had the propensity to speak more positively about people who would slit their throats than they do about their own country, which affords them more freedom and opportunity than anywhere else. David Horowitz has answered that question thoroughly and convincingly in his Unholy Alliance. Where I felt bewildered and confused, I now feel crystal clear. Unholy Alliance is such a great book.
It begins with the leftist movements at the beginning of the 20th Century, and works its way up to the present day, exploring the anti-American attitude of these movements in detail. Horowitz shows that the enemies of the US back then are largely the same group today, operating under the same misperceptions, making the same mistakes, and pursuing the same impossible utopia.
Individual chapters are included on the Patriot Act (I was persuaded that it is a GOOD thing); the democratic flip-flop on Iraq once G.W. Bush implemented what they agreed with Clinton needed to be done; the driving components of the current anti-war movement; as well as chapters on individual personalities who are major spokespeople of the Left. Horowitz covers a lot of ground, and he covers it concisely and clearly. Unholy Alliance is richly informative without ever being boring or plodding.
This book is so illuminating that I simply cannot do justice to it here. I love people who reason so clearly that they help me get my own reasoning clear. Horowitz is just that type of person! In the terrain of mindless clichés (no-blood-for-oil, etc.), he is a breath of real fresh air."
Unholy Alliance: Radical Islam and the American Left -by David Horowitz
Not all dissent is equal, and Americans whose actions are calculated to give aide and comfort to the butchers who murdered 3,000 innocent people on September 11, 2001 are not patriotic at all... they are, in fact, quite the opposite.
$18.00 from David Horowitz's website, FrontPageMag.com:
(click on 'Bookstore' near the top of the page)
In my opinion, his sitting in Church every Sunday is NO DIFFERENT than many people who sit in Church every Sunday here in the Bible Belt. They are there for Fire Insurance, their Politics or their Business. They live like the devil during the week. They filled the churches in the 50's...and if they didn't think it would make them look bad in the community for not showing up...they would have not been there.
It’s not a huge leap. Communists hate Christianity.
Very big difference. Obama's "church" advocated communist "Black Liberation Theology" and Revolution. It's an entirely bogus 'religious' movement concocted by communists decades ago. It was no accident that he wound up there. Read up on it. The links above are a good starting point.
Malik Zulu Shabazz, chairman of the New Black Panther Party for Self-Defense (NBPP):
"We believe in a Black first philosophy and a Black Liberation Theology."
Although it [The New Black Panther Party] says it sees capitalism as the fundamental problem with the world and revolution as the solution, the new party does not draw its influences from Marxism or Maoism as the original party did. Instead, in a carefully-worded, roundabout form of ethnic nationalism, they say that Marx based his ideology and teachings on indigenous African cultures, and that the NBPP therefore need not look to Marxism or Maoism as a basis for their program, but can look to ideologies that stem directly from those African origins.
Shock Photos: Candidate Obama Appeared And Marched With New Black Panther Party in 2007:
Only an idiot would think that Obama was a Christian.
"Mao Tse Tung, throughout his long march to conquer China, had a billion people whose lives he had to transform."--Louis Farrakhan
(this is Farrakhan's own "Nation Of Islam" website)
The so-called "Nation of Islam" is a "Black Liberation" communist front movement like Wright's phony church. Farrakhan doesn't sincerely believe in "Allah". His role models are people (monsters) like Castro and Mao. He describes both Obama and Mao as "transformers".
Louis Farrakhan, Santiago de Cuba, February, 1998:
"There is not a member of the black masses in the United States who is not proud of the example set by Cuba and its revolution, with Comandante Fidel at its head"
"Minister Farrakhan and his delegation met privately with President Fidel Castro of Cuba."
Unity generates power to change reality
By the Honorable Minister Louis Farrakhan
"The time has never been more ripe for a strategic relationship between the Black, Brown, Native American and the poor of this nation and the world."
"We need a Ministry of Defense. Our young men are born soldiers, but they are in the wrong war. They are fighting a war in the streets of America against each other, or they are fighting an unjust war overseas in Afghanistan and Iraq. We need to bring our boys home and put them into the Ministry of Defense, so we can defend our communities, rather than destroy our communities.
We need a Ministry of Art and Culture. We applaud the hip hop community, the leaders of young people all over the world, but I want the young generation of artists to know there is a bigger purpose for art and culture than popping our fingers and shaking our backsides.
Mao Tse Tung, throughout his long march to conquer China, had a billion people whose lives he had to transform. Many of them were victims of opium, drugs and prostitution, like we are. But Mao Tse Tung went to the cultural community and they accepted his idea. Then, through song, dance, poetry, drama, documentaries, movies and books, the idea of Mao Tse Tung became the idea of a billion people. China became a world power on the base of culture and the artistic community. If we had a Ministry of Art and Culture in every city, [we'd] create this movement [in the U.S.], we could say to our young people, What is the idea of the Time and are you reflecting that idea in your songs, dance and music?
We need a Ministry of Trade and Commerce. Do you think that a Millions More Movement should not be involved in the development of Africa, the Caribbean and Central America? ... we need a Ministry of Trade and Commerce that can link the struggle here with Africa and the Caribbean, Central and South America.
This is Farrakhan's own "Nation Of Islam" website
Farrakhan hails Obama as 'hope of entire world'
Louis Farrakhan, at the annual Saviours' Day celebration in Chicago, Feb. 25, 2008: "This young man is the hope of the entire world that America will change and be made better"..."If you look at Barack Obama's audiences and look at the effect of his words, those people are being transformed."
Video of Farrakhan's Obama endorsement at the above 'annual Saviours' Day celebration in Chicago, Feb. 25, 2008'. Hear him (Farrakhan) call Obama "The Messiah" And speak of "universal change":
"If you look at Barack Obama's audiences and look at the effect of his words, those people are being transformed."
"Mao Tse Tung, throughout his long march to conquer China, had a billion people whose lives he had to transform."
Of course Obama is a Christian - he spent 20 years attending the Christian church of Rev. Jeremiah Wright.
No. There is NO difference. Not in the eyes of God. They will end up in the same place. That is the perspective from which I am looking.
If he can be Muslim, gay, a liar, a thief, a fraud, an antichrist, hate mongering, race baiting, murderer, and still be a Christian, contrary to what Christ said about following him, then yeah, once saved, always saved, while God is mocked, and sin abounds. It’s no wonder that people have doubts about Obama’s Christianity, especially since he came to it by way of Wright’s liberation theology.
Again Obama lets the truth slip out when he’s off the teleprompter or a script.
Thank you. That’s the best quick description of Obama’s religion I have come across. He believes in Black Liberation Theology.
Obama is not a Christian and I can prove it:
If Obama were a Christian then liberals would hate him.
They dont so hes clearly not a Christian.
“no fatwa “——that’s exactly right and so long as he claims Hussein senior, who was Muslim, is his father then he is Muslim by definition as defined in the Koran. Then he noted in his fake autobiography book that if trouble arose he would stand with the Muslims. He never went to anything that could remotely be called a Christian school but he did, by most accounts, go to a school teaching Islam. For lack of a renouncement, he’s still a muslim.
” - - - John McCain has not talked about my Muslim faith - - - “
Is Obama two-faced, or is he two-faithed?
No complaints from the fatwa-issuers = the dog didn’t bark....
His actions speak VOLUMES....
when was the last time a u.s. president welcomed the Muslim brotherhood here?
“.....my Muslim faith....” <——— THE MONEY QUOTE
"Americas chickens... are coming home... to ROOST!"
"Their founding document [the Weather Underground's] called for the establishment of a "white fighting force" to be allied with the Black Liberation Movement" and other "anti-colonial" movements to achieve "the destruction of US imperialism and the achievement of a classless world: world communism."..."-Berger, Dan (2006). Outlaws of America: The Weather Underground and the Politics of Solidarity. AK Press, 95.
Outlaws of America: The Weather Underground and the Politics of Solidarity (Paperback) by Dan Berger
From the New York Times, August 24, 2003
"they [the Weather Underground] employed revolutionary jargon, advocated armed struggle and black liberation and began bombing buildings, taking responsibility for at least 20 attacks. Estimates of their number ranged at times from several dozen to several hundred."
Article: Quieter Lives for 60's Militants, but Intensity of Beliefs Hasn't Faded
Rev. Dr. Jeremiah Wright and Dr. William Ayers
are greeted by Rebekah Levin with the Committee
for a Just Peace in Israel and Palestine.
(Chuck Berman/Chicago Tribune / May 17, 2009)
Audio link at Michell Malkin's website (included below)
Question from audience:
You mentioned a little bit ago, "Why did it take a bunch of Arabs to do what you all should have done a long time ago," that's my question.
Churchill: I'm gonna repeat that, tell me if I got that right: Why shouldn't we do something and how do you you move so they don't see you coming.
As to the first part, not a reason in the world that I could see. I can't find a single reason that you shouldn't in a principled way there may be some practical considerations, such as do you know how (laughter from audience)
you know, often these things are processes. It's not just an impulse. And certainly it's not just an event.
And the simple answer, although it probably should be more complicated, but I'm not being flip and giving the simple answer, is:
You carry the weapon. That's how they don't see it coming. You're the one...
They talk about "color blind or blind to your color." You said it yourself.
You don't send the Black Liberation Army into Wall Street to conduct an action.
You don't send the American Indian Movement into downtown Seattle to conduct an action.
Who do you send? You. Your beard shaved, your hair cut close, and wearing a banker's suit.
There's probably a whole lot more to it, you know that. But there's where you start. .."
The audio is apparently no longer available -only transcript:
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Misspoke my aching arse, no one says MY Muslim faith unless he is a Muslim, that is one error of speech that does not happen, it is equivalent to a straight man saying, “My opponent has not mentioned my homosexuality.” That would never be said, instead it would be expressed as, “My opponent has not accused me of being a homosexual.” If Obama were NOT a Muslim he would have said something like, “John McCain has not tried to call me a Muslim.”
One thing is for certain Obama is NOT a Christian as he has claimed, that is equivalent to calling himself an Eagle, he can say it as often as he likes but he will damned sure never fly. Only a total fool could believe that he is a Christian.
For one who is not a Muslim he certainly spends a lot of time and energy praising Islam! I have yet to hear him say “Holy Bible” but he has said “Holy Quran” many times. If he mentions the Bible it is just the Bible but the Quran is ALWAYS, “The Holy Quran.” When do you ever hear a Christian or anyone other than a Muslim refer to the Holy Quran?
Excellent point. It is a real shame that there aren't any real investigative journalists left, no journalists who will follow a story wherever it goes.