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Sticking to their guns: Marines place $22.5M order for the Colt .45 M1911
http://www.foxnews.com/ ^

Posted on 07/28/2012 11:50:08 AM PDT by jakerobins

It’s been called the greatest handgun ever made, and it has barely changed sine 1911, when the legendary John Browning designed it especially for the U.S. Military.

And now, the Colt .45 M1911 is making a big comeback, now that the U.S. Marines have placed a $22.5 million order for the Connecticut-made pistols.

The gun, which has been wielded on film by John Wayne and in real life by Sgt. Alvin York and Maj. Audie Murphy, was the standard-issue sidearm in the military for decades, until it was replaced by the Beretta M9 in 1985.

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KEYWORDS: banglist; colt; duplicate; guns
.45 M1911... Getting the job done for over 100 years! Semper Fi
1 posted on 07/28/2012 11:50:13 AM PDT by jakerobins
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To: jakerobins

looked on the colt website, doesn’t look like you can get one thru the regular civilian gun store channels. wasn’t listed that i saw.


2 posted on 07/28/2012 12:01:42 PM PDT by beebuster2000
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To: jakerobins

There are excellent polymere pistols in 45 that hold 10+ rounds. Travis McGee brought up why didn’t the Marines choose one of those instead of an 8 rounder? I LOVE the 1911 and I carry one every day but for a service combat handgun I’d still go with something less likely to rust and could carry more rounds.


3 posted on 07/28/2012 12:07:32 PM PDT by CodeToad (History says our end is near.)
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To: jakerobins

You can’t improve on perfection!


4 posted on 07/28/2012 12:07:52 PM PDT by fortheDeclaration (Pr 14:34 Righteousness exalteth a nation:but sin is a reproach to any people)
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To: jakerobins; Hurtgen; zot; SeraphimApprentice

Now if the Army would do the same. The only reason soldiers ‘couldn’t hit anything with it’ was that they were not actually trained on how to use it. My platoon sergeant taught me how to aim and fire it and I qualified expert that same day. You actually have to aim it, quite simple, just look/site down your arm at your target and squeeze. most soldiers just waved the .45 in the general direction and shot, thus the inaccuracy.


5 posted on 07/28/2012 12:11:30 PM PDT by GreyFriar (Spearhead - 3rd Armored Division 75-78 & 83-87)
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To: jakerobins

Is there gonna be a gunfight?


6 posted on 07/28/2012 12:12:13 PM PDT by Libloather (The epitome of civility.)
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To: CodeToad

I agree. Sticking with an 8-round single stack mag is silly in this day and age.

From another article:

“The new Close Quarter Battle Pistols will be very similar to the M45s they are replacing this fall. They will have a rail for mounting lights, a custom trigger, a manual safety, improved ergonomics and glowing Tritium sights for low-light conditions.”


7 posted on 07/28/2012 12:14:22 PM PDT by 2111USMC (Aim Small, Miss Small)
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To: beebuster2000
IIRC, the price to the Marines is over $1800.00. I paid 20 dollars for mine about 30 years ago. It was pretty well beat up from residing and riding in a tool box full of wrenches behind a D8 Cat. Did some file work to clean it up, installed old set of Micro sights and relieved the ejection port. Result, with original barrel, a deadly accurate and most reliable .45 acp. 1943 RR 1911A1 US Army issue. Photobucket
8 posted on 07/28/2012 12:15:22 PM PDT by Sea Parrot (Once I was young, now I am old and the in between went way too fast)
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To: 2111USMC

If you cannot get the job done with 8 rounds, what makes anyone think two more will get it done.

Carry another clip if you need more.


9 posted on 07/28/2012 12:17:16 PM PDT by Venturer
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To: Sea Parrot
The $1800 cost includes a long-term support contract that includes spare parts, replacement parts, armory services, and even complete weapon replacements.
10 posted on 07/28/2012 12:18:37 PM PDT by 2111USMC (Aim Small, Miss Small)
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To: Venturer

.45 autos don’t use “clips”.

Sorry, couldn’t help myself. :)


11 posted on 07/28/2012 12:21:53 PM PDT by 2111USMC (Aim Small, Miss Small)
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To: jakerobins

This warms my heart.


12 posted on 07/28/2012 12:23:46 PM PDT by skeeter
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To: beebuster2000

Contact Red Jaket Arms at http://www.redjacketfirearms.com/index.php?page=shop.product_details&product_id=45&flypage=flypage.tpl&pop=0&option=com_virtuemart&Itemid=2


13 posted on 07/28/2012 12:24:46 PM PDT by SandRat (Duty - Honor - Country! What else needs said?)
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To: Venturer

I carry one of these on the opposite side of my 5” Kimber 1911 “Eclipse Target II”, in its Galco FED 212 paddle:

http://www.usgalco.com/HolsterPG3.asp?ProductID=2053&GunID=173


14 posted on 07/28/2012 12:31:42 PM PDT by carriage_hill (All libs and most dems think that life is just a sponge bath, with a happy ending.)
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To: CodeToad

Not to mention there’s simply better designs in terms of field stripping these days. A gun without a take down lever is just rather behind the times. There is no reason to make field stripping and cleaning harder than it has to be. Modern pistol designs are just plain easier to deal with.


15 posted on 07/28/2012 12:33:53 PM PDT by drbuzzard (All animals are created equal, but some are more equal than others.)
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To: GreyFriar

Thanks for the ping. I also liked the Colt .45 M1911.


16 posted on 07/28/2012 12:34:09 PM PDT by zot
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To: jakerobins

I would rather have an M1911 than the Beretta in a gunfight. When I was in that sort of business, I carried my own .45 and a Mossberg Bullpup 12 ga.


17 posted on 07/28/2012 12:35:01 PM PDT by SailormanCGA72
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To: GreyFriar

These pistols are for Marine special operations I believe, the Army special ops also use the .45 as far as I know.


18 posted on 07/28/2012 12:42:45 PM PDT by ansel12 (Massachusetts Governors,,, where the GOP goes for it's "conservative" Presidential candidates.)
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To: jakerobins

I don’t know how anyone can not like the 911.


19 posted on 07/28/2012 12:54:16 PM PDT by mylife (The Roar Of The Masses Could Be Farts)
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To: 2111USMC

Magazine—Clip

Symantics.


20 posted on 07/28/2012 12:57:14 PM PDT by Venturer
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To: drbuzzard

It depends on the model of “modern pistol.” The model of “modern pistol” chosen by the DOD to replace the 1911... shows that the DOD chose poorly.

You can field strip a 1911 with no tools. That’s the requirement, IMO, for any service pistol.

But the 1911 goes well beyond that. You can *detail* strip a 1911 with no tools, only a round of .45 ACP ammo for a screwdriver (you use the rim). You pull apart the slide first, and use the firing pin as a pin punch to remove pins on the frame.

Now, let’s compare that to a detail strip on a M9, which has a takedown lever.

You need the following tools:

1. Pin punches in 1.5, 2 and 3mm
2. A “spring positioning tool,” which you can make from a #4 crochet hook,
3. You’d better have a big zip-lock bag to catch the pins, detents and springs that come flying off a M9.

Field strip M9. Put slide in big zip-loc bag, detail strip that. Get another gallon zip-loc, put frame in and detail strip that.

Now there’s a reasonable chance you’ve retained all the little springs and plungers that come flying off a M9 or Model 92 Beretta.

There’s no such problem with a 1911.

Now a Glock... that’s an easy pistol to field or detail strip.


21 posted on 07/28/2012 1:13:11 PM PDT by NVDave
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To: Venturer
No, it's not “semantics”.

A lot of us that enjoy firearms are kind of anal in that respect. We like to use the correct terminology.
Photobucket

22 posted on 07/28/2012 1:14:54 PM PDT by 2111USMC (Aim Small, Miss Small)
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To: CodeToad

You have to consider that a double-stack .45 ACP results in a grip that is too large for some of the females that the DOD brass and political hacks desperately want to see serve in the military.


23 posted on 07/28/2012 1:17:30 PM PDT by NVDave
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To: GreyFriar
My platoon sergeant taught me how to aim and fire it and I qualified expert that same day. You actually have to aim it, quite simple, just look/site down your arm at your target and squeeze. most soldiers just waved the .45 in the general direction and shot, thus the inaccuracy.

Same thing happened to me. Turned out Sarge really did know a thing or two!

24 posted on 07/28/2012 1:18:33 PM PDT by colorado tanker
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To: jakerobins
"a $22.5 million order for the Connecticut-made pistols"

Was this a political decision, or is this really the best gun for the job?

25 posted on 07/28/2012 1:22:53 PM PDT by UnwashedPeasant (Don't nuke me, bro)
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To: SailormanCGA72

Couldn’t agree more, SailormanCGA72.
My arsenal of choice includes the 1911A1 fueled from Chip McCormick 8-round mags, a sound and basic AR15 (20” A2), and the ALWAYS effective Mossberg 500 18.5” barrel with 8-shot mag tube and Pachmyr Vindicator kit. Been set up this way for over 20 years.

Toss a few boxes, mags, and bandoliers in the jeep and we are ready for just about anything...


26 posted on 07/28/2012 1:22:53 PM PDT by PubliusMM (RKBA; a matter of fact, not opinion. 01-20-2013: Change we can look forward to.)
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