Skip to comments.Obama And Romney Are Wrong: Outsourcing Is Actually America At Its Best
Posted on 07/28/2012 4:02:37 PM PDT by SeekAndFind
Mitt Romney and Barack Obama are currently fighting over who is the more patriotic. Obama slams Romney for having outsourced jobs to China during his Bain Capital days. Romney punches back by labeling Obama Outsourcer in Chief. The latest is that both John Boehner and Harry Reid are voicing outrage over Americas made-in-China Olympic uniforms. Burn them! thunders Reid.
Republicans and Democrats strangely agree that outsourcing is unpatriotic, and that the moral and patriotic thing to do is to Hire American and Buy American.
Well, no. Not in a thousand years. The fear of outsourcing and international trade is economic nonsense and moral blindness. More than that: this anti-profit attitude is un-American.
Despite the ongoing Europeanization of America, America still symbolizes the land of freedom, entrepreneurship, profit-making, above all, individualism.
But collectivism is the premise of Hire/Buy American: we are to view ourselves and others not as individuals, but as units of a nation. Businesses are urged to pay more in labor costs, simply to hire workers who are American; consumers are urged to forgo Walmarts low prices, pay more, simply because the pricier goods were made by our guys. This is not rational patriotism, it is not Americanism, it's primitive tribalism.
American individualism means making buying decisions on the basis of economic merit, giving no regard to the nationality or race of the seller. Lets not hide behind patriotic-sounding slogans. Lets name things straight for a change: giving preference to American sellers over foreign sellers is the same mindless injustice as giving preference to sellers who are white over those who are black.
Economic nationalism is as morally outrageous as racism. Buying on the basis of nationality or race is the same collectivist evil: judging men and their products by the group from which they come, not by merit.
(Excerpt) Read more at forbes.com ...
Not only the wealth, but the independence and security of a country, appear to be materially connected with the prosperity of manufactures. Every nation, with a view to those great objects, ought to endeavor to possess within itself all the essentials of national supply. These comprise the means of subsistence, habitation, clothing and defense.
I would recommend this fool take a look at what has happened to two nations in the last twenty years.
The United States
Perhaps if he thinks about it long enough, he’ll be able to figure out which nation got the best of the Free Trade deal.
One nation is growing like gang-busters.
One nation is slipping over the edge toward third world status.
Right now were poised to slice and dice our military. China is building it’s military as fast as it can.
Anyone at this point, that can’t see the hand-writing on the wall as it relates to manufacturing at home and abroad, is a damned fool or an out and out traitor.
This author does make a point. I don’t agree with all of it but he does have a point.
And although the words have been misused by others I think that Business be it a Corporation or a mom and pop Sole proprietorship need to think about where there customer base is coming from. Some call this Corporate-Citizenship I call it smart business sense.
If the customer base you are developing is Local, State or at the National level then you do more for your bottom line in the long term in providing your potential customers with work/jobs that provide them an income to buy your products that you produce here.
If you are international in scope both for your customer base as well as your suppliers then out-sourcing may make more sense.
Let’s face it... Unless your customers can afford your products you won’t make any sales.
The possession of these is necessary to the perfection of the body politic, to the safety as well as to the welfare of the society; the want of either is the want of an important organ of political life and Motion; and in the various crises which await a state, it must severely feel the effects of any such deficiency. The extreme embarrassments of the United States during the late War, from an incapacity of supplying themselves, are still matter of keen recollection: A future war might be expected again to exemplify the mischiefs and dangers of a situation to which that incapacity is still in too great a degree applicable, unless changed by timely and vigorous exertion. To effect this change as fast as shall be prudent merits all the attention and all the Zeal of our Public Councils; 'tis the next great work to be accomplished.I advise reading the rest of this instead of globalist ramblings on Forbes. Anyone who expects Red China or the European Union to be friendly to us in terms of supplying our defense needs is putting trust in the wrong place.
This is the worst article I’ve seen in a long time, maybe all year.
“Man did not rise from the cave to the skyscraper by stealing his neighbors roots and berries.”
I guess we got it by kumbaya? He forgets about the whole history of warfare and conflict. And the USA isn’t exactly in the skyscraper building business much anymore. That’s off to the arabs and Chinese thanks to this guy’s pushed agenda.
. . . and the more people you put out of work, the fewer products they will buy at any price. It’s already happening.
The "issue" of out-sourcing is more important than the solution: remove Mordor from the economy.
We gifted China with fifty years or more of technology and patent information over the last twenty years. Who in their right mind could have found that to be in our nation’s best interest, particularly in light of the fact we will be military adversaries sooner rather than later.
“Loss of jobs? Quite the contrary. Outsourcing means better or better-paying jobs for Americans. When individuals are fired from one line of work, its to release capital to do other workthe law of comparative advantage again.”
I love this line too. If you get offshored and lose your job, be happy moron! It’s for your own good!
You guess right. Hamilton was wrong.
That’s correct, It’s a feedback loop if you can visualize that. Positive actions beget more positive actions, Negative actions do the same only negatively.
Are you an American? I must ask this. Americans that go against the Founding Fathers are not of the conservative type FWICS; and non-Americans find their tenets incomprehensible due to being immersed in Marxism too deeply.
Out of all the variables in an international economy, how can you be so sure that it is free trade that caused the problem? Does monetary inflation play no part? Do high corporate tax rates have a role? Does government regulation matter? Do taxes on capital mean anything?
Free trade does not exist in a vacuum, you know.
Are you excusing free trade with unfree markets, never mind enemy countries?
You've got that right. Perhaps Forbes should outsource this dummy's job to India. I'm sure there are writers in India who could put sentences together much cheaper than this guy can.
Are you implying that we should place a tariff on Indian writers, so that this writer gets to keep his job? [snort]
You overlook the primary reason for the difference....... the people, the Chicaps if you will.
In China, there is some new freedom to engage in business and the world is beating their doors down for the products produced there. China has been bound by oppressive government, their own and the colonials for at least a hundred years.
Some left and became the overseas Chinese. Where ever they were they prospered..... Taipei, Manila, Kuala Lumpur, Singapore, San Francisco. They represent the repressed entrepreneurial desire present and now unleashed in China proper.
To be certain, there is still a socialist government and the economy still has very strong governmental ties but the economic and academic and other freedoms have been used by the population to bring about unprecedented growth.
To blame the prosperity solely on an imbalance in trade is to overlook the part of the ordinary Chinese people striving for a better life, the life they see in Japan and America and Europe.
When you observe people in Chinese street scenes, none wear the gray of communist rule. They wear what they consider to be colorful, modern, stylish and up to date. My favorite indicator of the tremendous change in process is a video clip of some young girls. They were wearing Daisey Mae’s..... blue jean shorts. One wonders where they got them and what provoked them to wear them...... Daisey Mae’s are quintessentially American.
I think the certainty on how the change in China will progress or if the excesses of exuberant business experiments will cause things to come crashing down is unknowable. The certainty is that he days of repression and Mao are over and change is in process.
Here in America we still have a fantastically strong manufacturing base. We still make lots and lots of highly technical products and the world comes here to buy them. Our exports support the economy. We do not make paint brushes or commodity refrigerator compressors like we once did because we have moved on. We subcontract the manufacturing to get the best price. Americans demand a good price and will not pay an excessively expensive price.
Part of the manufacturing by American companies is to gain markets in those areas. It is profitable to establish foreign plants for products sold in the foreign markets. It is not competitive to make the stuff here and ship it abroad.
But to sum it up, China is and not only that is going to become more is as the current trends continue. China is after all the most populous nation and that populations wants to improve the quality of life. It is only rational to assume that once the pent up power and desire to throw off poverty change will occur.
This author is delusional if he thinks that putting America first is collectivist. Promoting manufacturing in America is what made this country the economic titan it eventually became. “Free Trade” is one of the things that destroyed the British Empire and is one of the things that is now destroying us. There is no such thing as “Free Trade” among nations. The Chinese, the Japanese, the Koreans, the Indians, the Germans, etc. do not practice free trade. They do everything they can to promote their industries and gain economic advantage over their trading partners. We used to understand this ourselves, but for some reason all of our Ivy-League indoctrinated, free-trade utopian leaders can’t understand this simple principle. The Chinese and others view us as suckers just as we thought the British were suckers when we supplanted them 100 years ago.
I am "excusing" free trade with unfree markets. I am concerned with American consumers looking for the best price. All economics must be looked at from the point of view of the individual consumer.
As for the enemy thing, let the government declare a country as the "enemy" with all that entails [Cuba is a good example] and I'm cool with it.
"China did not invent intellectual property theft; its just doing it on an unprecedented scale."
I guess as long as Deng's version of Lenin's New Economic Policy (NEP) doesn't steal our roots and berries it okay that Red China is stealing everything else on an unprecedented scale.
(I skimmed the posted article -- I hope the author did not ignore Red China's crimes and blame it all on us.)
meaning the basics, the really vital stuff, not everything
international trade is essentials.
would make no sense to build worthless widgets in this country
the problem is that this government has the highest corporate tax rates on Earth and is hostile to investment... what did they think would happen?
Exactly. Putting America first is individualist; the globalist outlook promulgated by the author is what is collectivist.
Did our tax policy drive our own corporations to open in the Soviet Union?
Read it again. It says “all the essentials of national supply”, to include “the means of subsistence, habitation, clothing, and defenseto be possessed within ourselves. “All the essentials” does not mean the mere basics; it does indeed mean everything. And we don’t even have “the really vital stuff” anymore.
Sorry, I could not let this comment pass. Could you speak to some of the protectionists? LOL
If you want national self-reliance, North Korea has been doing that for a while called “Juche”.
I think its a bad idea.
I did read a comment somewhere, about how people were bitching about "how the U.S. Olympic uniforms were made in China." The response was, whose jet did the Chinese team fly to get to London?
Not any more, since you started talking nonsense.
If the answer was “Airbus”, then what?
You’re talking like a liberal. You aren’t one to accuse others of talking nonsense.
Free trade has never existed. Ever. It does not know nor has it ever since the first government/king/lord etc came to power.
Then I would point you to Boeing’s market share, that you pretend does not exist. And I’m sorry you think I’m a lib . . . the question follows: why are you having such a tough time with the argument I’m making? Surely a True Conservative(tm) such as yourself should be able to dispatch me no problem.
I understand your point that "free" trade does not exist between countries. But "never" is a strong word.
Not relevant to Alexander Hamilton’s point. A single aircraft builder (with no domestic competition; McDonnell-Douglas, Lockheed, Convair all gone) does not all of the industry a country needs make. Otherwise we’d all be working for Boeing.
Good Lord. You’ve gone from nonsense to absurdity.
Just for the record, how many letters of credit have you negotiated?
What allegiance should businesses hold to the the United States? What is the United states any more? The government loads down businesses with so many taxes and regulations that it becomes impossible for them to DO business here. Our founding fathers fought a war over alot less tyranny than we’re under now. I have no problem with Americans seeking freedom, and freedom has left our shores unfortunately.
Right; Alexander Hamilton spoke of nonsense and absurdity. The realities on the world stage are nonsense and absurdity. Are you trying to make a point?
Why are you trying to change the subject? Does the mere act of negotiating letters of credit make one an expert on fanatical communists?
All of that is correct. None of them have a lick of sense of national security, and don’t see China’s government for the fanatics they are. Their foreign policy has been unchanging in regarding the USA as their number-one enemy, and their goal of bringing worldwide communism still stands; it’s been quite active in Africa and South America (the latter a clear violation of the Monroe Doctrine), and the only entity that has been a serious rival in those continents (ironically, and especially for those continents’ natural resources) has been the European Union.
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