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Is Algebra Necessary?
New York Times ^ | July 28, 2012 | ANDREW HACKER

Posted on 07/29/2012 6:05:38 AM PDT by reaganaut1

A TYPICAL American school day finds some six million high school students and two million college freshmen struggling with algebra. In both high school and college, all too many students are expected to fail. Why do we subject American students to this ordeal? I’ve found myself moving toward the strong view that we shouldn’t.

My question extends beyond algebra and applies more broadly to the usual mathematics sequence, from geometry through calculus. State regents and legislators — and much of the public — take it as self-evident that every young person should be made to master polynomial functions and parametric equations.

There are many defenses of algebra and the virtue of learning it. Most of them sound reasonable on first hearing; many of them I once accepted. But the more I examine them, the clearer it seems that they are largely or wholly wrong — unsupported by research or evidence, or based on wishful logic. (I’m not talking about quantitative skills, critical for informed citizenship and personal finance, but a very different ballgame.)

This debate matters. Making mathematics mandatory prevents us from discovering and developing young talent. In the interest of maintaining rigor, we’re actually depleting our pool of brainpower. I say this as a writer and social scientist whose work relies heavily on the use of numbers. My aim is not to spare students from a difficult subject, but to call attention to the real problems we are causing by misdirecting precious resources.

The toll mathematics takes begins early. To our nation’s shame, one in four ninth graders fail to finish high school. In South Carolina, 34 percent fell away in 2008-9, according to national data released last year; for Nevada, it was 45 percent. Most of the educators I’ve talked with cite algebra as the major academic reason.

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KEYWORDS: algebra; college; education; highrteducation; math; mathematics
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As I wrote in a previous FR thread Requiring Algebra II in high school gains momentum nationwide a large fraction of the population does not have the capacity for abstract thinking to do Algebra II, and I don't want to stamp them all as "high school drop-outs", at least not until a meaningful junior high school diploma is created, certifying that someone can read and do arithmetic through fractions. I don't agree with Hacker that we should give bachelor's degrees to people who cannot do algebra, and most of the NYT commenters agree with me.
1 posted on 07/29/2012 6:05:41 AM PDT by reaganaut1
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Take a look at a 1912 high school math test.


2 posted on 07/29/2012 6:09:36 AM PDT by Izzy Dunne (Hello, I'm a TAGLINE virus. Please help me spread by copying me into YOUR tag line.)
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My aim is not to spare students from a difficult subject, but to call attention to the real problems we are causing by misdirecting precious resources.

We send far to many 'precious resources' to college when they can't do basic math. Where they waste 4 years.

We went to the moon not because it was easy, but because it was hard.

3 posted on 07/29/2012 6:10:30 AM PDT by FatherofFive (Islam is evil and must be eradicated)
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Git ride of spelleng two. Thate wass harde subjek four me.


4 posted on 07/29/2012 6:10:55 AM PDT by There You Go Again
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Even in the mid 80’s algebra wasn't a requirement for graduation for most public schools. Having said that, algebra isn't that hard, and I do believe the real purpose of school is to learn, even if the grade received is a C or D.

Using algebra is fairly handy in day to day calculations for material, etc. I am saddened when I see grown people guessing or concluding that a determination is impossible, when all that is required is a simple algebra equation.

5 posted on 07/29/2012 6:13:22 AM PDT by SampleMan (Feral Humans are the refuse of socialism.)
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I say this as a writer and social scientist whose work relies heavily on the use of numbers.

Counting on your digits doesn't count as higher math.

6 posted on 07/29/2012 6:13:28 AM PDT by Ramcat (Thank You American Veterans)
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The link for the article is http://www.nytimes.com/2012/07/29/opinion/sunday/is-algebra-necessary.html?pagewanted=all


7 posted on 07/29/2012 6:13:59 AM PDT by RightGeek (FUBO and the donkey you rode in on)
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People do not understand that learniing to perform algebra helps you understand physics and generally solve real life problems. This reminds me of the people who see no use at all for learning a language like Latin. I let such people know that learning some Latin helped me understand English and language as a whole.
8 posted on 07/29/2012 6:14:20 AM PDT by Dr. Sivana ("I love to hear you talk talk talk, but I hate what I hear you say."-Del Shannon)
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I will tell you EXACTLY why they are “struggling”. The math teachers are les incompetents, is why. My son has had teachers making 50G plus or more at the high school level in our “excellent” school district who were dumber than a box of hammers about math or how to teach it. My son is a math natural who was talking about negative numbers at the age of four, so he told me he just taught himself out of the book. When he went to college, he tested into an avanced calculus class freshman year. However, that class was taught by a Chinese “TA” no one could make heads or tails out of what he was saying. So again, my son had to teach the subject to himself.

My daughter, a student at the best private school in the city and had a “genius” woman for a math teacher. The majority of we parents were also paying for tutors for our individual students who knew how to get an idea from teacher to student cogently, unlike the “genius” who was responsible for teaching the class. So on top of exorbitant private school tuition, we are paying taxes and for private tutors just to get middle school math basics. Oh and you dare not say anything about any of the teachers due to possible repercussions.


9 posted on 07/29/2012 6:15:13 AM PDT by yldstrk ( My heroes have always been cowboys)
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10 posted on 07/29/2012 6:15:52 AM PDT by Tijeras_Slim
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I’m one of those who just could not grasp Algebra. I the world ever comes to a crisis and I need to know what time a train that left Cleveland at midnight going 60 mph pass a plane from Baltimore, I’m screwed.


11 posted on 07/29/2012 6:15:57 AM PDT by Baynative (A man's admiration for absolute government is proportionate to the contempt he feels for others)
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two million college freshmen struggling with algebra

Two million college freshman who are paying (borrowing) 30K/year to learn what a "college student" should have known after 11th grade. The universities should not allow any student into college (borrowing big $) if they cannot pass basic competency tests. These basic competencies can be learned in an environment that does not cost $30K, and if they cannot learn these things they do not belong in college.

12 posted on 07/29/2012 6:16:12 AM PDT by BRL
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I say this as a writer and social scientist

I stopped reading at this point. The author has no basis for constructing this article.

I have a BA in English and a graduate certificate in professional writing, but I went up to Calc III in college. Algebra is not impossible. We need to come up with more creative, practical ways to teach it.

13 posted on 07/29/2012 6:16:12 AM PDT by rarestia (It's time to water the Tree of Liberty.)
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I say this as a writer and social scientist whose work relies heavily on the use of numbers.

The overlords don't want anybody understanding, and therefore be able to question, their computer models.

If we are going to drop the algebra requirement, what need is there to warehouse children until they are 18? They may as well go onto an apprenticeship, grunt work or a trade school.
14 posted on 07/29/2012 6:16:57 AM PDT by Dr. Sivana ("I love to hear you talk talk talk, but I hate what I hear you say."-Del Shannon)
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Fitting article from the NYT.

After all, we know math is not a friend of liberals.


15 posted on 07/29/2012 6:16:57 AM PDT by Da Coyote
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To: Dr. Sivana

Elementary algebraic topology would be a good substitute.


16 posted on 07/29/2012 6:17:06 AM PDT by Blagden Alley
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Michigan state rep (and now republican national committeeman) Dave Agema wants to require constitutional literacy from schools.

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-bloggers/2833073/posts


17 posted on 07/29/2012 6:17:26 AM PDT by cripplecreek (What does it profit a man if he gains the whole world but loses his soul?)
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Oh AND when she started at the private school, we had to do summer at Sylvan learning center which determined that at our “excellent” public elementary school, she had not been taught decimals or fractions. So much for the idiot “education” degree these “teachers” are required to obtain by the “Education Department” and the NEA which gives them the 50G plus salaries just or showing up


18 posted on 07/29/2012 6:17:36 AM PDT by yldstrk ( My heroes have always been cowboys)
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Gee, a "social Scientist" wants to ditch algebra.

So the free traders want to outsource all of our manufacturing jobs, jobs tailor made for about 50% of the population, so they can retrain to do what?

19 posted on 07/29/2012 6:17:51 AM PDT by central_va ( I won't be reconstructed and I do not give a damn.)
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It sure as heck was at my high school. Guess what? They also had calculus and advanced algebra and trigonometry and physics. so there.


20 posted on 07/29/2012 6:19:02 AM PDT by yldstrk ( My heroes have always been cowboys)
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