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LA Times Exclusive: Five ATF Officials Found Responsible for Fast and Furious
The Los Angeles Times ^ | Monday, July 30, 2012 | Richard A. Serrano

Posted on 07/30/2012 6:18:30 PM PDT by kristinn

Republican congressional investigators have concluded that five senior ATF officials -- from the special agent-in-charge of the Phoenix field office to the top man in the bureau’s Washington headquarters -- are collectively responsible for the failed Fast and Furious gun-tracking operation that was “marred by missteps, poor judgments and inherently reckless strategy.”

The investigators, in a final report likely to be released later this week, also unearthed new evidence that agents from the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives in Phoenix initially sought to hide from the Mexican government the crucial information that two Fast and Furious firearms were recovered after the brother of a Mexican state attorney general was killed there.

According to a copy of the report obtained Monday by The Times, the investigators said their findings are “the best information available as of now” about the flawed gun operation that last month led to Atty. Gen. Eric H. Holder Jr. being found in contempt of Congress for failing to turn over subpoenaed documents.

Two more final reports, they said, will deal with “the devastating failure of supervision and leadership” at the Department of Justice and an “unprecedented obstruction of the [congressional] investigation by the highest levels of the Justice Department, including the attorney general himself.”

The first report did allege some Justice Department involvement, however, notably that Kenneth E. Melson, then acting ATF director, was made into a “scapegoat” for Fast and Furious after he told congressional Republicans his Justice Department supervisors “were doing more damage control than anything” else once Fast and Furious became public.

“My view is that the whole matter of the department’s response in this case was a disaster,” Melson told the investigators.

(Excerpt) Read more at latimes.com ...


TOPICS: Crime/Corruption; Foreign Affairs; Front Page News; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: 112th; atf; bhodoj; brianterry; darrellissa; fastandfurious; holder; obama
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To: MileHi
Why would they take the fall and destroy their careers and reputations

The better choice? The feds set them up? The easy way out? Were promises made?

Fact is they were likely guilty of numerous things and were reckless performing their duties etc, possibly caught lying etc.

Could be they set up after the lid popped off and the agent was killed? That would have been easy.

Who knows?

What will be interesting to see, if any criminal charges are brought against these 5 participants.

51 posted on 07/30/2012 7:54:25 PM PDT by dragnet2 (Diversion and evasion are tools of deceit)
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To: Joe Brower; Travis McGee; LucyT; vette6387; MetaThought; 60Gunner; XHogPilot; FreedomPoster; ...

“’My view is that the whole matter of the department’s response in this case was a disaster,’ Melson told the investigators.”

Such as it is...


52 posted on 07/30/2012 7:58:39 PM PDT by MestaMachine (obama kills)
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To: kristinn

I’m finding it really hard to read this article for all the noise and fumes from the bus...... Yo, patsy-boys, are you under there??


53 posted on 07/30/2012 7:59:09 PM PDT by Scooter100 ("Now that the fog has lifted, I still can't find my pipe". --- S. Holmes)
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To: kristinn

I’m finding it really hard to read this article for all the noise and fumes from the bus...... Yo, patsy-boys, are you under there??


54 posted on 07/30/2012 7:59:43 PM PDT by Scooter100 ("Now that the fog has lifted, I still can't find my pipe". --- S. Holmes)
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To: LucyT

ping


55 posted on 07/30/2012 8:03:01 PM PDT by Fractal Trader
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To: E. Pluribus Unum

You DO have a way with words. ;oD


56 posted on 07/30/2012 8:11:20 PM PDT by Tucker39 ( Psa 68:19Blessed be the Lord, who daily loadeth us with benefits; even the God of our salvation.KJV)
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To: Venturer

I agree, And the really sad thing is that those really responsible will skate by laughing


57 posted on 07/30/2012 8:14:27 PM PDT by Nifster
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To: Nachum

Ping. Thanks.


58 posted on 07/30/2012 8:18:03 PM PDT by Tucker39 ( Psa 68:19Blessed be the Lord, who daily loadeth us with benefits; even the God of our salvation.KJV)
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To: struggle
Two more final reports, they said, will deal with “the devastating failure of supervision and leadership” at the Department of Justice and an “unprecedented obstruction of the [congressional] investigation by the highest levels of the Justice Department, including the attorney general himself.”

The initial report sounds suspiciously like a "shot across the bow".

Obviously, there is more to come. And this initial report, naming names and assigning responsibility, may well elicit some key witnesses to become "talkative".

59 posted on 07/30/2012 8:56:43 PM PDT by okie01 (The Mainstream Media: IGNORANCE ON PARADE)
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To: okie01
this initial report, naming names and assigning responsibility, may well elicit some key witnesses

Being in an optimistic frame of mind, I agree with you.

The Republicans are not total idiots when it comes to the game; they know keeping the issue alive is critical to the election.

Somebody's liable to talk.

60 posted on 07/30/2012 10:05:24 PM PDT by tsomer
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To: B4Ranch
The was a dog and pony show which gave the far right conservatives something to hold on to while Zero and his crew ripped the Constitution to shreds.

And I thought I was cynical..

Issa's been very good on this and worked very hard, as has Rep. Trey Gowdy and others on the committee. I don't think they're corrupt.

61 posted on 07/30/2012 10:42:30 PM PDT by D-fendr (Deus non alligatur sacramentis sed nos alligamur.)
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To: commonguymd
they are reporting it

Yep. CBS has been on it pretty good for some time. The contempt citation ratcheted the issue up, and this attention in lamestream media is a good thing..

62 posted on 07/30/2012 10:46:35 PM PDT by D-fendr (Deus non alligatur sacramentis sed nos alligamur.)
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To: Fractal Trader; MestaMachine; TheOldLady; WildHighlander57; netmilsmom; tomdavidd; Freeper; ...
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[Thanks for the pings.]

63 posted on 07/31/2012 5:43:39 AM PDT by LucyT (~ Countdown: Ninety-Seven days until November 6. ~)
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To: kristinn

Hussein and Holder are saved again.


64 posted on 07/31/2012 5:50:56 AM PDT by bgill
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To: LucyT; bcsco; kristinn

This BS makes a person furious, fast.


65 posted on 07/31/2012 5:58:33 AM PDT by hoosiermama (Obama: "Born in Kenya" Lying now or then.)
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To: kristinn

“Five ATF Officials Found Responsible for Fast and Furious”

IMPOSSIBLE!

They had to answer to SOMEBODY!!!


66 posted on 07/31/2012 7:49:49 AM PDT by SMARTY ("The man who has no inner-life is a slave to his surroundings. "Henri Frederic Amiel)
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To: kristinn

Well thank goodness that is over. The LaLa Land times has finally revealed the truth. /s


67 posted on 07/31/2012 7:53:09 AM PDT by bert ((K.E. N.P. N.C. +12 ..... Present failure and impending death yield irrational action))
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To: D-fendr

I posted the very same reply when this ‘investigation’ started. Nobody is going to jail, nobody is going to lose their federal pension benefits and U.S. Border Patrol agent Brian Terry will still be dead when the investigation final report is issued.

The question to ask is, “How did the man become so cynical?”

Given time, I expect that you too may become just as cynical as I am. What successes have you seen from the GOP or Republican Party. Look at the sorry RINO the RNC shoved out in front of us and said This is your candidate for President.

We will probably end up with the majority of Obamacare just as it is. Expensive and inefficient. Those are two things only taxpayers recognize.

No, my attitude isn’t likely to change in the next four years.


68 posted on 07/31/2012 8:18:46 AM PDT by B4Ranch (There's Two Choices... Stand Up and Be Counted ... Or Line Up and Be Numbered .)
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To: kristinn

Issa can go to hell.


69 posted on 07/31/2012 8:52:43 AM PDT by chessplayer
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To: kristinn

Either Issa’s been sufficiently threatened to lay off Holder and The One, or King Barack’s found his price and he’s been bought off.


70 posted on 07/31/2012 9:10:09 AM PDT by chessplayer
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To: Nachum

Add me to your list, please.


71 posted on 07/31/2012 9:13:05 AM PDT by Greenperson
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To: kristinn; Venturer; Attention Surplus Disorder; dragnet2; musicman; gigster; Blood of Tyrants; ...

It seems as though if Issa reported today that he had obtained a death penalty conviction against a murderer that some freepers would call him a coward for not shooting the defendant dead in the courtroom.


72 posted on 07/31/2012 1:49:41 PM PDT by sam_paine (X .................................)
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To: sam_paine

Shot across the bow. These five will cooperate for a lesser sentence. Co-operative or do hard labor ;~)


73 posted on 07/31/2012 1:56:20 PM PDT by hoosiermama (Obama: "Born in Kenya" Lying now or then.)
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To: sam_paine

That may be but I am not one of those. Holder and Obama and Napalitano have there hands all over this and they need to be held accountable. I am only suggesting that Issa got the guys driving the car in the drive by not the actual shooters


74 posted on 07/31/2012 2:00:22 PM PDT by Nifster
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To: sam_paine
That's not what's going on.

What's going on is that Issa can't get the actual perps, so he's knowingly executing some fall-guys.

75 posted on 07/31/2012 2:00:46 PM PDT by E. Pluribus Unum (Government is the religion of the collectivists.)
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To: sam_paine
When the LA Times article came out, there was no mention of additional findings. It appeared this was all that was going to happen. It it was all, then it would have been a sell out.

Later Hot Air had an article stating that there were 2 other reports from the committee to be released.

This goes all the way to the White Hut. No one other than Obozo could have authorized this. Evidence of Inter-Agency coordination is the smoking gun. This was not a failed Sting Operation...

76 posted on 07/31/2012 2:17:59 PM PDT by Texas Fossil (Government, even in its best state is but a necessary evil; in its worst state an intolerable one)
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To: sam_paine

We’ve come accustomed to the lack of accountability.

So surprise us the resignations and indictments. Until then its just more of the same ol same ol.


77 posted on 07/31/2012 2:47:20 PM PDT by RKBA Democrat (Vote for willard. Because "our" pro-abort, anti-gun socialist is SO much better than theirs.)
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To: sam_paine

Yes id does. I will give Issa the benefit of the doubt.


78 posted on 07/31/2012 4:47:41 PM PDT by MileHi ( "It's coming down to patriots vs the politicians." - ovrtaxt)
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To: sam_paine

Unfair analogy.

Issa is pulling minnows out of a pond full of sharks. Big damn deal.

Although it may not apply to mutual funds, with Republicans it is very much true. Past performance is (pretty much) a guarantee of future performance.

Until we actually see one of the real principal’s head on a pike I’m betting on history repeating itself *again*. I’m 60 years old, I’ve watched this same little drama with different actors many times before. I don’t believe in epiphanies, especially Republican ones.


79 posted on 07/31/2012 4:48:36 PM PDT by ChildOfThe60s (If you can remember the 60s....you weren't really there)
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To: sam_paine

I tend to agree with you. Not too long ago; months before the CONTEMPT vote, I myself was an Issa doubter. I have changed my mind and am now inclined to believe that when Issa is “quiet” he is not “surrendering,” he is RELOADING.


80 posted on 07/31/2012 4:52:16 PM PDT by Tucker39 ( Psa 68:19Blessed be the Lord, who daily loadeth us with benefits; even the God of our salvation.KJV)
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To: sam_paine

If he got the Capitol Police to go down and arrest him for contempt I would praise him to the hilt.


81 posted on 07/31/2012 6:51:07 PM PDT by Venturer
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To: sam_paine

If he got the Capitol Police to go down and arrest Holder for contempt I would praise him to the hilt.


82 posted on 07/31/2012 6:51:22 PM PDT by Venturer
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To: Attention Surplus Disorder

Eric Holder is a disgrace to the N-word! He is responsible for both Fast and Furious AND the Negro Panthers voter intimadation case! WHY is he STILL in office???


83 posted on 07/31/2012 8:26:38 PM PDT by 2harddrive
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To: kristinn; LucyT; Fred Nerks; Beckwith
So they found five scapegoats for a "program" designed to purposefully arm mexican guerrilla Obama leftist revolutionaries in Arizona and New Mexico, operating out of federal lands there barred to the US public?

Obama and Holder should both hang for perpetrating an act of war on Mexico, causing the deaths of over 200 Mexicans, and committing this treason against our nation, resulting in the deaths of 2 ATF agents ( only 2 that we know of, likely a few more.)

This was an Obama-Holder brown shirt initiative, fascist style, very similar to what went down in Kenya in 2007 when Obama was honking his horn for Odinga and the subsequent Orange Party "revolutionary" violence there that resulted in thousands of Kenyan deaths through intertribal warfare.Obama has played this "fast & Furious" game before.

84 posted on 08/01/2012 7:10:47 AM PDT by Candor7 (Obama fascism article: http://www.americanthinker.com/2009/05/barack_obama_the_quintessentia_1.html)
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