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Olympics: 16-year-old Ye Shiwen’s swim 'impossible’, says coach John Leonard [doping claim]
The Telegraph ^ | 7/30/2012 | Jeremy Wilson

Posted on 07/31/2012 12:48:23 AM PDT by bruinbirdman

One of the world’s most senior swimming coaches has raised serious doubts about the validity of the “unbelievable” performance of Ye Shiwen, the 16-year-old Chinese swimmer.

John Leonard, the executive director of the World Swimming Coaches Association, yesterday compared Ye’s winning performance in the women’s 400m individual medley to Irish swimmer Michelle Smith, who won gold in the same event at the 1996 Atlanta Olympics but was banned from swimming for four years in 1998 for tampering with a urine sample. Smith, now De Bruin, always denied using performance enhancing drugs.

Ye sent shock waves through her sport on Saturday when she set the first swimming world record of these Olympics, and in doing so swam the final 50m freestyle faster than American swimmer Ryan Lochte managed in his final leg when he won the same race in the men’s event.

“We want to be very careful about calling it doping,” Leonard said.

“The one thing I will say is that history in our sport will tell you that every time we see something, and I will put quotation marks around this, 'unbelievable’, history shows us that it turns out later on there was doping involved. That last 100m was reminiscent of some old East German swimmers, for people who have been around a while. It was reminiscent of 400m individual medley by a young Irish woman in Atlanta.

“Any time someone has looked like superwoman in the history of our sport they have later been found guilty of doping”. Ye was more than seven seconds faster in the 400m individual medley than she had been in the equivalent race of the World Championships last year. While Leonard accepted that such improvement was feasible, he described the final 100m as “impossible”. He added: “To swim three

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To: GeronL

When east Germany collapsed the east German doper experts /trainers moved to china and set up shop ,
It well documented .


51 posted on 07/31/2012 5:36:24 AM PDT by ncalburt (NO MORE WIMPS need to apply to fight the Soros Funded Puppet !H)
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To: bjorn14

You nailed it.
The Chinese swimmers have been with doping routinely .

I recall a few years after the east Germans took over the program skinny china swimmers showed up for a international event looking like gorillas and the us woman swimmers and coaches freaked out .


52 posted on 07/31/2012 5:42:32 AM PDT by ncalburt (NO MORE WIMPS need to apply to fight the Soros Funded Puppet !H)
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To: Finny
As a former competitive swimmer myself, I can tell you that beating your former best time in a 100m race by 5 seconds is a huge flag that something is wrong.

No-one makes gains like that except the people who are just starting out swimming. Once you've been training and swimming for a couple of years, you've pretty well gotten close to the edge of your nominal performance envelope. Your speed is fairly well determined by your build, muscle tone, and technique - did you get a good start, did your strokes work out well for the turn and finish (ie. no coasting or short strokes). In any one race these things add up to a tenth of a second (plus or minus) here or there. As you grow/mature and add muscle, you tend to get a little faster year-to-year.

Throughout the course of a season a good swimmer might pull their time in a 100m event down a second, maybe a little more. If they are really pumped up at a big event, or playing catch-up on the last leg of a relay (eg. the French team) they may shave a few tenths, even a whole second off a personal best.

Taking 5 seconds off is a red flag. That's a local Girl Scout troop beating a Marine recon company at arm wrestling. Something is wrong, very, very wrong.

53 posted on 07/31/2012 5:43:48 AM PDT by ThunderSleeps (Stop obama now! Stop the hussein - insane agenda!)
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To: 4rcane

Are you this naive to the Chinese doping program ??


54 posted on 07/31/2012 5:44:01 AM PDT by ncalburt (NO MORE WIMPS need to apply to fight the Soros Funded Puppet !H)
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To: MacMattico

How do you say “Ima eat you” in Chinese?


55 posted on 07/31/2012 5:46:42 AM PDT by MrB (The difference between a Humanist and a Satanist - the latter knows whom he's working for)
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To: 4rcane

Sore loser?

China is known to “enhance” their athletes. Just like the old Soviet Bloc countries did back in the day.


56 posted on 07/31/2012 5:47:04 AM PDT by 2CAVTrooper ( For those who have had to fight for it, freedom has a flavor the protected shall never know.)
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To: bruinbirdman

“In 1968 Bob Beaman broke the world long jump record by nearly 2 feet (1 ft. 10 in.). He beat the record by about 7%.”

Ummm...what ever happened to “innocent until proven guilty?”. I remember when Beamon’s jump was analyzed and criticized over and over again...it was the air, the wind, his shoes, “magic wonder drugs”...his “genes”...(i.e., he’s black)...nothing. people thought that record would NEVER be broken. It is STILL the Olympic record. But it WAS broken elsewhere.

They keep samples for doping tests eight years and they have the right to withdraw medals. Isn’t that enough? Can’t she have her moment in the sun? What if this was an American? The vast majority of these athletes don’t make a nickel on their Olympic performance and their families go broke over it. This seems like a no-win situation. People complain if you screw up...and then, they complain when you do great!


57 posted on 07/31/2012 5:48:39 AM PDT by The Antiyuppie ("When small men cast long shadows, then it is very late in the day.")
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To: The Antiyuppie
Can’t she have her moment in the sun?

Of course she can. Rosie Ruiz had upwards of, what, about 15 minutes?

58 posted on 07/31/2012 5:50:11 AM PDT by C210N ("ask not what the candidate can do for you, ask what you can do for the candidate" (Breitbart, 2012))
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To: bruinbirdman

China is cheating. how unusual. /s/

Ask the American Gymnastics coach from 2008 about the amount of Chinese gymnasts who still hadn’t gotten in their eye teeth but were 16-years-old.


59 posted on 07/31/2012 6:03:25 AM PDT by netmilsmom (Romney scares me. Obama is the freaking nightmare that is so bad you are afraid to go back to sleep)
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To: C210N

>>they have the Audacity of Dope...<<

Brilliant!!!!!


60 posted on 07/31/2012 6:06:22 AM PDT by netmilsmom (Romney scares me. Obama is the freaking nightmare that is so bad you are afraid to go back to sleep)
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To: ThunderSleeps

I remember reading something about either MLB or NFL players training up in the mountains to boost their red blood count, and then getting transfused before key games.

Only way to catch that is blood test.


61 posted on 07/31/2012 6:07:12 AM PDT by 2CAVTrooper ( For those who have had to fight for it, freedom has a flavor the protected shall never know.)
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To: bruinbirdman

To this day I consider that to be the greatest single achievement in sports that I have EVER witnessed.


62 posted on 07/31/2012 6:35:29 AM PDT by Roccus
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To: The Antiyuppie

I agree with you. Just think, if the brothers and sistas weren’t afraid of the water all kinds of swimming records would fall. The Chinese girl may be the one in a billion women capable of such a feat. Those East German women were growing beards and were the obvious product of steroid use. I don’t believe that blood doping could produce such a remarkable feat by a female. Let the American coach prove it or shut up. Now he has the Chinese coach calling into question Phelp’s effort in 2008.


63 posted on 07/31/2012 7:30:06 AM PDT by Jay Redhawk (Zombies are just intelligent, good looking democrats.)
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To: bruinbirdman; All
She passed the doping tests.

IOC: China's Shiwen passed drug test‎

I think maybe this is why the US Olympic Committee distanced themselves from Leonard's doping claim.

Anyways, either this girl is 'legit' or the Chinese have found a way to mask any performance enhancing drugs they give to their athletes.

64 posted on 07/31/2012 8:00:03 AM PDT by apro
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To: ThunderSleeps
Agreed. I'm a regular fitness swimmer, not competitive, but I've spent a fair amount of time around elite competitive swimmers, including Olympians. Unless there's some really superior technique going on, men swim faster than women. For a 16-year-old girl to do this on the last 100 m of a 400 m swim is ... dubious at best.

Do you still swim for fitness? I've observed that often, competitive swimmers get so burnt out and so obsessed with making speed their top priority, that they have a difficult time enjoying swimming as a fitness regimen later in life.

65 posted on 07/31/2012 8:47:50 AM PDT by Finny (A deal with the devil is ALWAYS a losing proposition. Voting for Romney to avoid Obama is just that.)
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To: bgill

Yes, they lied about their age and stuff


66 posted on 07/31/2012 11:49:10 AM PDT by GeronL (The Right to Life came before the Right to Pursue Happiness)
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To: knarf

she was.

also the NK Women’s Soccer team is banned from international competition for doping, but allowed in this Olympics. weird.


67 posted on 07/31/2012 11:52:23 AM PDT by GeronL (The Right to Life came before the Right to Pursue Happiness)
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To: Teacher317

the only reason the balco scandal happened was a sample of the substance was provided to officials. Otherwise, it would still be undetectable.


68 posted on 07/31/2012 12:07:10 PM PDT by longtermmemmory (VOTE! http://www.senate.gov and http://www.house.gov)
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To: Happy Rain

could this be why the olympic committee was pushed for sex change operation rules?


69 posted on 07/31/2012 12:11:32 PM PDT by longtermmemmory (VOTE! http://www.senate.gov and http://www.house.gov)
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To: bjorn14
"Yes but that was done in the more than mile high air of Mexico City."

So were the rest of the best in the world. He won by 2 ft.

yitbos

70 posted on 07/31/2012 1:44:47 PM PDT by bruinbirdman ("Those who control language control minds." -- Ayn Rand)
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