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Cheney's Shocking Attack On Palin - Was Dick Cheney Ever a True Conservative?

Posted on 08/02/2012 8:53:50 AM PDT by pinochet

Did you all read Dick Cheney's outrageous and offensive attack on Sarah Palin? He said that it was a mistake for John McCain to select her as running mate in 2008.

See: http://news.yahoo.com/dick-cheney-picking-sarah-palin-vp-mistake-130904846--abc-news-politics.html

After all the hell that Palin, her husband, and her children, have suffered being attacked by the mainstream media in the most personal terms, we get to hear this garbage coming out of Dick Cheney's mouth. I am still shaking with rage over Cheney's stupidity and lack of shame. Cheney should be ashamed of himself, and he should apologize. Palin electrified American conservatives in a way in which no candidate on the Presidential ticket has, with the exception of Barry Goldwater and Ronald Reagan. Palin is the Goldwater and Reagan of our time, because all three conservative heroes were opposed by the corrupt Rockefeller Republicans. Sarah appeals to church-going people, which makes her very appealing to the Reagan Democrats who share her social values. It was McCain who lost the election, not Palin.

Cheney's disgusting attack, forces us to look at his alleged conservative credentials. Cheney was Gerald Ford's White House Chief of Staff, when America suffered its first military defeat in the 20th Century, when America removed its troops from Vietnam. Cheney played a role in the greatest humiliation that America has ever suffered in it's history. The only other military defeat that America suffered was by Britain in the War of 1812, but Britain was the world's leading super power in that time. Cheney, Gerald Ford, and Nelson Rockefeller, caused America to be defeated by Vietnam, a third world hell hole. Gerald Ford was the Jimmy Carter of the Republican Party, and Cheney was his top advisor.

Cheney served in the Cabinet of GHW Bush, when he called for a new world order. Like Bush Sr. and Gerald Ford, Cheney is a Rockefeller Republican, who has succeeded in fooling people that he is a conservative. His open support for his daughter Mary's lesbian lifestyle, and for gay rights in general, shows his contempt for America's Bible believing Christians who love God more than they love corporate profits. Shame on you Dick Cheney!


TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Foreign Affairs; Politics/Elections; Your Opinion/Questions
KEYWORDS: conservative; dickcheney; sarahpalin; vanity; vietnam
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To: pinochet
I am greatly saddened by Dick Cheney's comment but something about it doesn't ring true.

This is so out of character for the Dick Cheney who earned my respect as VP.

Has he agreed to be the attack dog to knock Sarah down for someone else?

Ronald Reagan:

"The personal attacks against me during the primary finally became so heavy that the state Republican chairman, Gaylord Parkinson, postulated what he called the Eleventh Commandment: Thou shalt not speak ill of any fellow Republican. It's a rule I followed during that campaign and have ever since."


41 posted on 08/02/2012 9:50:45 AM PDT by Iron Munro ("Jiggle the Handle for Barry!")
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To: onedoug

>>>Actually, it was the North Vietnamese Army. The Vietcong had largely been defeated as a military force during the Tet offensive of 1968. We had kicked the crap out of the NVA too,

You are right in noting that America defeated the Vietcong, and the credit belongs to Richard Nixon and our brave troops. All that America needed to do, was to get a face-saving way for North Vietnam to surrender. But Cheney and Ford turned this American victory in Vietnam into a defeat, and Americans have never held Dick Cheney accountable. His nerve in attacking Sarah Palin, gives us an opportunity to ask Cheney how he turned Nixon’s victory in Vietnam into a defeat.


42 posted on 08/02/2012 9:58:02 AM PDT by pinochet
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To: frogjerk; pinochet
Huh, I thought we won the war of 1812.

Our good friends in American claim a victory for America in that war. My adopted country Canada also claims victory for Canada. The British historians say it was a draw. I will go with a draw. Each side withdrew to the boundaries prior to the war. One tiny exception though.

Of course the greatest victory over the British was at the Battle of New Orleans (1815). The peace treaty with America had already been signed on neutral territory. This was Ghent in Belgium. Communications took too long to get to New Orleans.

I hope you do not mind this ramble. Extensive recreations in Canada this year of the war. One tiny island near us, the Drummond Island. Michigan was occupied by the British up until 1827. Nice museum near there. The Americans delivered a polite note. Gentlemen, they said, if you do not vacate Drummond Island quickly, the next time we will come well armed. Bye bye to the last remaining occupied part of America.

Just thought a little history is in order. Oh, surprised and disappointed with Mr Cheney. Sarah Palin is the gold.

43 posted on 08/02/2012 10:00:10 AM PDT by Peter Libra
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To: stuartcr
Didn’t we used to like him?

Hey, I finally agree with you!

44 posted on 08/02/2012 10:11:41 AM PDT by frogjerk (OBAMA NOV 2012 = HORSEMEAT)
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To: pinochet

CLASSIC CLIP!


45 posted on 08/02/2012 10:13:10 AM PDT by frogjerk (OBAMA NOV 2012 = HORSEMEAT)
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To: pinochet

Dick like Newt was one of those types who thought that their Collage Education was more important that ACTUALLY serving their county so they both “deferred’ thier way out of service.


46 posted on 08/02/2012 10:14:02 AM PDT by US Navy Vet (Go Packers! Go Rockies! Go Boston Bruins! See, I'm "Diverse"!)
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To: frogjerk

>>>>I think this is an over reaction on your part and I would be careful to not fall into the cult of personality thing for Palin.

Why is it that Democrats are permitted to have personality cults over their leaders, and not Republicans? The liberals swoon over JFK, RFK, Ted Kennedy, and their camelot fairy tales. We are always required to worship FDR for supposedly getting us out of the Great Depression, and for fighting fascism. What about the cult of the ObamaMessiah?

I admit that I am a Palin cultist. I love our conservative heroes - Calvin Coolidge, Robert Taft, Barry Goldwater, Ronald Reagan, and Sarah Palin, as much as the Democrats love their heroes.


47 posted on 08/02/2012 10:17:25 AM PDT by pinochet
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To: pinochet

I would love to see the two of them debate economic or foreign policy.


48 posted on 08/02/2012 10:22:53 AM PDT by Kinder Gentler Machinegun Hand
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To: pinochet

>> Why is it that Democrats are permitted to have personality cults over their leaders, and not Republicans?

Because they’re idiots, and we’re not. Their latest cult leader led them off a cliff ... which tends to happen when you put all your faith in one fallible person rather than in the ideas that drive them.

I disagree with Cheney. But, his is not a completely unreasonable opinion. He likes Palin, but he doesn’t think she was ready for prime-time. Whatever. I think he’s completely wrong ... but it doesn’t undermine his credibility with me.

SnakeDoc


49 posted on 08/02/2012 10:24:04 AM PDT by SnakeDoctor ("I've shot people I like more for less." -- Raylan Givens, Justified)
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To: pinochet

Commendable that Liz C. took Dear Ol’ Dad to the woodshed for his opinion — told him that Palin had more experience than Obama and Biden combined.

Liz would be a great VP. Too bad the “Cheney” name now has such a negative connotation thanks to the MSM.


50 posted on 08/02/2012 10:26:11 AM PDT by MayflowerMadam (How to starve an Obama supporter: Hide his food stamps under his work shoes.)
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To: frogjerk

>>>>I think this is an over reaction on your part and I would be careful to not fall into the cult of personality thing for Palin.

One more thing. In case you haven’t noticed, Free Republic is a home ground of Palin cultists, and we would like to convert you to our cult. If Cheney makes any more unflattering comments about our Momma Grizzly, her cubs will bite him, as you have seen in the responses to this post.

See: http://www.sacbee.com/2012/07/30/4675093/palin-compares-steelman-to-momma.html

and:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mama_grizzly#Palin_as_a_mama_grizzly


51 posted on 08/02/2012 10:30:56 AM PDT by pinochet
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To: pinochet

I support Sarah.

I admire and respect Dick Cheney for his service to the United States, although I vehemently disagree with his judgment in this matter. I do not believe that a personal judgment, regarding other people, indicates the depth or breadth of his conservatism. To believe otherwise is to fall into the liberal trap of despising the individual instead of disputing the opinion.

Cheney, to my knowledge, has always been predominantly conservative in his viewpoints. In this matter, I disagree with him completely. That difference of opinion does not reflect on either of our conservative credentials.


52 posted on 08/02/2012 10:31:52 AM PDT by MortMan (Laughter is the best medicine, especially when ridiculing your enemies.)
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To: Peter Libra; pinochet
My post #43. Correction. Should read.

Our good friends in America.

Also in doing a bit of belated homework. Drummond Island was ceded back to the United States in 1828. A British officer had complained of the lack of good potatoes and said "they have rather poor wine at meals". He was probably glad to leave for the nearby Canadian island of St. Josephs.

53 posted on 08/02/2012 10:33:55 AM PDT by Peter Libra
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To: smokingfrog

I am curious as who Cheney thought would be better.


54 posted on 08/02/2012 10:36:34 AM PDT by Little Ray (AGAINST Obama in the General.)
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To: Iron Munro; pinochet
I am greatly saddened by Dick Cheney's comment but something about it doesn't ring true. ... This is so out of character for the Dick Cheney who earned my respect as VP.

Actually, his comments do accurately reflect the true Cheney. He has always been a fully-committed member of our self-styled elite Ruling Class(as described so aptly by Angelo Codevilla). That said, I admire and respect him for the good he has done for his country, but simply wish to point out that the left are not the only ones prone to idealistic projection of their own beliefs and values onto their public leaders - conservatives are equally culpable.

Has he agreed to be the attack dog to knock Sarah down for someone else?

Here is my suspicion: there is an intense behind the scenes battle going on right now between the RNC and Romney campaign, and the conservative/Tea Party wing of the GOP to give Palin a featured speaking role at the GOP Convention. The GOP elites absolutely do not want to give Palin any sort of public forum, so they're using "respected" GOP leaders to wage a low-level smear campaign to blunt those efforts.

They don't intend to take any more chances with giving Palin any sort of public forum or make any comments which would indicate that she is an "acceptable" leader, spokesman, etc. The intent is to completely destroy any possible political viability for her, and by extension, the ideas she espouses, both now and for the future.

55 posted on 08/02/2012 10:51:12 AM PDT by tarheelswamprat
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To: pinochet

If Sarah wasn’t ready to be VP, what does that say about Barry?


56 posted on 08/02/2012 11:02:31 AM PDT by Phlap (REDNECK@LIBARTS.EDU)
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To: tarheelswamprat
They don't intend to take any more chances with giving Palin any sort of public forum or make any comments which would indicate that she is an "acceptable" leader, spokesman, etc. The intent is to completely destroy any possible political viability for her, and by extension, the ideas she espouses, both now and for the future.

Exactly!

57 posted on 08/02/2012 11:28:39 AM PDT by itsahoot (Old people cost too much money. They make lots of typos too.)
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To: pinochet
That's what I've been saying for a while. But even so I don't quite agree with you.

You can't saddle Cheney with our defeat in Vietnam or with foreign policy defeatism in general. He's been trying for years to get a more powerful executive branch and a more hawkish or interventionist foreign policy.

Cheney's definitely not a dove or a foreign policy softie. But he's been so devoted to that tough-guy, hardline foreign policy stance that he didn't really care much about smaller, less intrusive government at home or about deficits or the debt.

Social conservatism wasn't so important to him either, though that may have more to do with his daughter than with any remaining "Rockefeller Republicanism" in his make-up.

I can understand people wanting a tough guy to look after their interests and beliefs, but you have to ask just how important your interests and beliefs will be to a Washington insider who's so focused on concentrating and wielding power.

58 posted on 08/02/2012 11:47:07 AM PDT by x
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To: frogjerk

Great you should change your name to just frog then...


59 posted on 08/02/2012 12:08:59 PM PDT by stuartcr ("When silence speaks, it speaks only to those that have already decided what they want to hear.")
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To: frogjerk

Great you should change your name to just frog then...


60 posted on 08/02/2012 12:09:14 PM PDT by stuartcr ("When silence speaks, it speaks only to those that have already decided what they want to hear.")
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