Posted on 08/03/2012 1:26:47 PM PDT by Bratch
Don’t buy the doom and gloom pronouncements from conservatives telling you, “this is the most important election in history.” A loss for Mitt Romney would not necessarily spell long lasting disaster for Republicans, nor would it be the death-knell to conservatism. In fact, it’s possible a 2012 loss could lay the groundwork for a stronger Republican party and conservative movement.
Elections are almost always seen as urgent and morally imperative. But sometimes major victories can only come in the aftermath of what appear to be devastating defeats. John Kerry‘s loss in 2004 laid the groundwork for a Democratic takeover in 2006 and 2008, and Jimmy Carter‘s defeat of Gerald Ford in 1976 paved the way for the Ronald Reagan in 1980. In other words, it is a mistake to assume losing a presidential election is a permanent defeat.
“This should be the most important election since 1980, but so far it is not,” says Reagan biographer Craig Shirley. “Scottish historian Thomas Carlyle postulated the ‘great man’ theory of history, and indeed this was true with Washington, Jackson, Lincoln, TR, FDR and Reagan. But history has not summoned forth great men in 2012 and in fact our history today is small.”
This is not to say Republicans should concede the election, but conservatives should keep November in proper perspective.
(Excerpt) Read more at dailycaller.com ...
Maybe not if Gary Johnson wins, but Gary Johnson has about as much of a chance of being elected in November as I do. It’s a disaster of near-Chicxulub asteroid proportions for American culture and values if Obama wins.
I’ve made the argument that the best path MIGHT be for a republican controlled congress and Obama in the white house. I won’t get into the particulars here but the SCOTUS decision kinda nixed that.
If the only thing a Romney election gets us is the death of Obama care I’ll be happy.
Mr. Lewis is wrong. A presidential election is also the closest we get to voting for Supreme Court Justices. I’m not expecting great conservatives from Romney, but they’ll be better than the rubber-stamp Marxists we’ll get from Big-0.
“Make no mistake, this election is not about Romney. This election is about a mandate to flush away all the barriers that impede a return to strong conservative constitutional government and a thriving economy.”
Guess what, not only is Mittens not a strong conservative constitutionalist (he only plays one on TV), he hates thriving economies too. Just see Massachusetts and what he did to it.
” I did not say radical conservative, or religious zealots, I said strong conservatives with integrity and honesty. “
In other words, you hate conservatives, and you think Mitt Romney, who has no integrity and honesty, is a strong conservative. That explains why we are where we are.
Whatever. Go and vote for Obama, you know you want to..
Morestupidity.
Here’s reality: If Obama wins, Obamacare stays.
If Obamacare stays, America turns into an Eruo-socialist ash-heap.
QED.
As biden would say: Its a big F’ing Deal!
” Deadly assault weapons have no place in Massachusetts. These guns are not made for recreation or self-defense. They are instruments of destruction with the sole purpose of hunting down and killing people.”
;0)
“Whatever. Go and vote for Obama, you know you want to..”
If Obama had a Michael Jackson skin bleach, started wearing magic Mormon underwear and maybe had an operation to make his jaw protrude Presidentially, you’d probably vote for him by accident.
This writer must have been born and raised in Southern Arizona where he’s never seen anyone on a sled in his life. Because he doesn’t know a slippery slope when he sees one. Four more years will cement the takers over the givers to such an extent the givers will never be a factor again on the national scene.
Would make an awesome sig line!
“This writer must have been born and raised in Southern Arizona where he’s never seen anyone on a sled in his life. Because he doesn’t know a slippery slope when he sees one. Four more years will cement the takers over the givers to such an extent the givers will never be a factor again on the national scene”
Interesting! Because despite 4 years of Obama, the United States is even more conservative. You can thank the GOPe corruption, the open primaries, and the millions to buy campaign lies for Mittens win.
That's one ugly hand. I fold.
Thanks but I will stick with what I said not what you say I have said. Who the f@#k are you to tell me? What a maroon!
Do you really expect Romney to get rid of national socialized medicine based on Romneycare?
/johnny
Bull___t. Matt can’t see the forest for the trees. Take a look at how, each year, government expands. Take a look at how Obama took over a huge chunk of the private sector. Take a look at how each day we become more Socialist. Take a look at how, even when we had conservative Ronald Reagan in office, we could only halt government, not shrink it. If Obama can simply keep government on the same course, we become more Socialist year in and year out. The frog is in the pot and the heat is being turned up slowly. Matt doesn’t seem to see it.
My personal opinion is that it will be a disaster no matter which one wins.
It’s sort of a death by gun or death by knife thing.
So are you a plant from MSNBC or the DNC?
Forget it, just don’t post to me anymore and I wont post to you. But I think you are a plant..
"If you're not fiscally AND socially conservative, you're not conservative!" - Jim Robinson, 9-1-10
Another personal attack from our Daily Kos troll.
/johnny
Romney can't be kept in check. Look at what he did as governor. Romney wrote the model for Obamacare. Romney put extreme liberals on the Mass court. Romney did more for gay marriage as Governor than Obama has done as president.
Fear isn't going to make me vote against my principles.
I know where you stand regarding Romney. Of course you are correct. You know that I don't like the liberal either.
You should vote your conscience. I have much respect for your opinions.
I'm going to tell you something. I'm going to vote for the liberal. The reason is I'm giving myself a shot at getting to my wheel chair. If 0bama is elected, I say there is a 1 in 4 chance of CWII.
Sure, it's better it happens now, than when I can't hump ammo, but I figure I got (G-d willing) 20 more years max on this planet. Plus, I'd hate to have to kill fellow Americans. If I have to, I will be extremely efficient, and will do it with extreme prejudice. Problem will be target acquisition.
Honestly, there is no guarantee that if Romney is elected it won't happen anyway. Imho, the liberal choice will give me a better opportunity to live those 20 years than the marxist.
Yes, I'm being self centered.
Incoming!
5.56mm
actually I think she is from the media..
“In fact, it’s possible a 2012 loss could lay the groundwork for a stronger Republican party and conservative movement.”
Four more years of Obama, and people will be ashamed of having written crap like this.
But, all that said, I’m beginning to believe that much of the anti Romney sentiment here has nothing to do with the fact that people think he will be a RINO failure. I think a lot of people are scared to death he might turn out to be a good president. ...He is going to win.
Seems there are any number of speculative scenarios out there in Journ-o-ville, but one thing is for certain, and that is Obama must go. He cannot be the President of this Nation for a second term, because it would be the disaster this author claims a Romney loss would necessarily not be.
Anybody that can eff up the works as Obama has simply cannot be allowed to hang around to eff things up worse than he already has. It’s commonsense.
If you think Obama and Romney are the same it’s not really worth discussing. It’s hyperbole.
Romney is a non-ideological centrist - who was not my first (or 2nd or 3rd) choice. But Obama is an enemy of this country. And will severely damage her in a 2nd term with “flexibility.”
“Forget it, just don’t post to me anymore and I wont post to you. But I think you are a plant..”
I probably will forget your user name after making this post, so I’ll probably respond to you in the future when you make Pro-Mitt Romney posts or argue for why surrendering to Mittens and the GOPe will lead to a blessed and wonderous future.
Bottom line, though, as I have said in other threads, is that this is a spiritual issue, not a political one. None of you guys who are demanding we give it up for Mittens are taking into account the existence of a God in heaven, who ultimately is in control of our nation’s fate. Both Mittens and Obama are shallow, self-righteous, utterly wicked individuals who wear lots of makeup and practice how to lie in front of mirrors. IOW, they are surface level creatures. I am convinced that they literally represent our spiritual conditions. We’ve all come to this point where we believe we can pull ourselves up by our bootstraps, even though the nation itself did not even win its own battles. It was God who won them. It was God who put things together. Our nation is a nation built on miracles. But, meanwhile, Republicans (not conservatives) lie and tell us that only THEY can save the nation, and that if we don’t do it, Evil Obama (they carefully ignore the ideology BEHIND Obama) will kill us all.
The number of freepers wanting 4 more years of Obama is simply mindboggling.
So every one should just lay down, roll over, give up before the fight even begins, because romney might comprimise?
Any number of supposed could be, might be, may be compromise's romney could ever make, would be a thousand times better then four more years of obama.
The number of Freepers wanting four more years of Obama is ZERO.
The number of Freepers who want a conservative in the White House, however, appears open to debate.
I expect everyone to vote the way they see that they need to. It's what a free republic is all about.
After the accident in 2009, fear of the future, and of death is pretty well gone out of my makeup. ;)
/johnny
I trust their judgment.
***Don’t you have your own judgement you can trust? Being led by the nose to vote for a librul is not worthy of trust.
Those that don’t are RINOs trying to occupy the GOP and make it a 3rd party.
***Those that DO are republicans trying to make the GOP into Democrat Lite. More significantly, those like you who come onto a conservative website and try to separate conservatives from their conservative beliefs (by getting them to vote for a librul) are not conservative. You are not conservative. Free Republic is not a republican website; it is a conservative website.
Okay, ma'am. I'll bite. Name some. Please start with your tagline.
A Mitt Romney loss wouldn’t necessarily be a disaster
***A Romney win means that the GOP-E was correct in that it no longer needs conservatives. A Romney loss means that conservatives get the blame for not falling in line with those who so severely disagree with our beliefs that they go out of their way to disrupt them. Either way, conservatism has already lost.
/johnny
Your logic for voting against Romney is more effective than any ad the Obama campaign has put out.
Congrats, I guess.
I’m still voting for him though. Not because he is going to lead us to a blessed and wonderous future as you derisively suggest, but because the man he is running against has committed traitorous acts against our country and needs to be replaced by someone who (whether right or wrong) will sincerely try to act in its best interests.
The number of freepers wanting 4 more years of Obama is simply mindboggling.
***The number of freepers who regularly try to separate conservatives from their conservative beliefs is mindboggling. FR is not a republican website, it is a conservative website.
I don’t get it. Are you saying that if my opinion does not conform to Jim R’s than I’m not a conservative? I assure you that I am an American conservative patriotic veteran and the radicals I described whether on either side of political debate only causes noise! I hope I am 5x5 here. I am a libertarian who supports and defends the Constitution so that all Americans can pursue happiness not just the ones who agree with me.
Okay, that made me snort. Thanks for the laugh.
“I’m still voting for him though. Not because he is going to lead us to a blessed and wonderous future as you derisively suggest, but because the man he is running against has committed traitorous acts against our country and needs to be replaced by someone who (whether right or wrong) will sincerely try to act in its best interests.”
IOW, you’re hooked on Hope and Change. As for “sincerity.” I’ve never met a sincere liar before. I do remember Mittens’ people sabotaging the McCain/Palin campaign before and up to the eve of the election so Obama would get in, though. That fits with what a pathological liar obsessed with gaining the Presidency would do.
Newsflash: You're just a noob. No one really cares what you think. Four more years of Obama. Yeah, that sounds like a plan, Mastermind.
Your second sentence conclusively proves your first one.
Baby steps, this time: define "radical conservative." Then define "religious zealot." Be specific.
Also working hard to get rid of the GOP-E types here in Texas. Dewhurst done pissed me off.
/johnny
Matt Lewis needs to get out of DC and back to his Wolfsville roots. His father has to be rolling over in his grave with an opinion like that! 4 more years of Obama’s desecration of the US and there won’t be any US left!
You must really hate Reagan then.
NOT ONE of the anti MItt can answer this question:
Who do you suggest as an alternative to examine to Mitt?
YOU are quick to tell me Mitt is bad but cannot answer that very simple question.
You must hide behind “ I cant tell you how to vote for” yet the 7 or 8 Daily Kos/Ron Paul trolls appear on each and every Mitt thread telling us not to vote for Mitt.
Not one of the Daily Kos and Ron Paul trolls here has ever answered that question.
They can’t.
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