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Chick-fil-A, Gay Marriage, and Your Grandchildren
Chron.com ^ | Aug 2 2012 | Chris Ladd

Posted on 08/04/2012 8:58:11 AM PDT by scottjewell

It’s hard to read about...Civil Rights... without playing a game of ‘what would I have done?’ ...

This spring when Obama described his “evolution”... I felt like I could relate...

When... people rise up and demonstrate their commitment to their rights... how do you say no to them in good conscience?

... one is inevitably reminded of the Civil Rights Movement. The pattern of non-violent resistance adopted by Martin Luther King had a complex beauty, operating at one time on so many levels...

The Civil Rights Movement placed the burden of black suffering squarely on the plates of people all over the country who otherwise felt that they had no part in Jim Crow oppression. It forced citizens [to choose sides]...

I can still make an esoteric argument that gay marriage is meddling or social engineering or whatnot, but I have lost my ability to put my soul behind it. Maybe you can sit across the table from a beloved friend and tell them that your straight family is more legitimate, more right, more legally and politically appropriate than theirs. Perhaps you can look into the eyes of people you care for and respect and explain that providing their children with the full legal protection of an official family would threaten something...

I am not going to do that. Eat your sandwich alone.

Before you put down that shake and reach for your Bible, let’s make something clear. According to the Bible, marriage is a sacred covenant between one man, one woman, his additional wives, his slaves, his wives’ slaves, his concubines, virgins he’s caught raping, and any women he happens to capture in battle...

This week that line of dead-enders stretches out the door of the Chick-fil-A.

Enjoy that sandwich. Your grandchildren will be so proud.

(Excerpt) Read more at blog.chron.com ...


TOPICS: Culture/Society; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: chickfila; homosexualagenda; romney; romneyagenda; romneymarriage; romneyvsclerks
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To: Maelstorm

Actually, that is not far from the truth: Media creates reality for millions of people. When you talk, they just sort of zone out, because they already “know” from MSM that gay marriage is “a very important civil rights issue”. I guess we are simply more grounded in reality. But it is frustrating as all hell to know you can preach only to your own choir.


51 posted on 08/04/2012 11:49:53 AM PDT by scottjewell
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To: Gene Eric

They know it , too. But they will never admit it.


52 posted on 08/04/2012 11:53:21 AM PDT by scottjewell
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To: Maelstorm
Addendum: Or you could always hand them this card:
53 posted on 08/04/2012 12:01:17 PM PDT by scottjewell
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To: scottjewell

Unfortunately in DC these types of GOP are very common. Usually they are just unprincipled yuppies whose rich daddy may have been a Republican or or they became a Republican so that they could get the job. A lot of the crap we deal with in the grasroots is because of people this advising and working for our elected officials. I became a Republican during the 94 Republican Revolution. I did it because Republicans demonstrated principles social and fiscal. Too many of these types view politics and government as some damn game. I’m proud though that we at the grass roots are changing the game. It isn’t without its challenges or set backs but we are on the right path. We just need to keep standing up and push the line rather than just holding it.


54 posted on 08/04/2012 12:08:17 PM PDT by Maelstorm (Now lets return to our regular scheduled deprogramming.)
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To: scottjewell

Good one. :-)


55 posted on 08/04/2012 12:13:44 PM PDT by Maelstorm (Now lets return to our regular scheduled deprogramming.)
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To: Maelstorm

thanks for that info. You come by conservatism honestly...and Agreed-
better to struggle for the right things at the grassroots level than go astray at the DC yuppified level. and yep, keep pushing.


56 posted on 08/04/2012 12:14:07 PM PDT by scottjewell
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To: scottjewell

Yes especially for the young and I actually remember being under their “spell”. I remember over hearing a couple older gentlemen talking about how they “missed when Reagan was in charge” this was around 1990. I remember laughing and thinking how that was ridiculous. I wasn’t really political and didn’t know much about Reagan beyond remembering when he was shot and remembering him speaking after the shuttle disaster but of course it wasn’t as much what I remembered but the overall media ridicule of Reagan which had sunk in. I didn’t change my mind because of talk Radio which was in its infancy then. I actually changed my mind when I started researching and studying and questioning why I thought certain things.

Some of the young people are like that but the ones in the heart of darkness have no incentive to change their minds. They are smart enough to know many of the beliefs they profess are foolish but long after they realize this they lve and work in worlds where continuing to profess thoses beliefs makes financial and career sense. Thankful much of the nutty leftist ideas get worked out of people’s system as they progress to adulthood and have to work, pay taxes, take care of children etc which is one of the reasons the left have so targetted making it easier for young adults to remain dependent on their parents which helps suspend their natural mental development and maturation.

We are at a cross roads if we dont halt the culteral slide the fiscal slide will exacerbate and the America we love will be gone forever.


57 posted on 08/04/2012 12:24:19 PM PDT by Maelstorm (Now lets return to our regular scheduled deprogramming.)
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To: scottjewell

They couldn’t “stop at civil unions”. The left wouldn’t let them, because that wouldn’t have achieved the goal of UNdefining marriage and of criminalizing Christianity.

So, the homos were told “nothing less than full equal legal and societal recognition of gay ‘marriage’ will be allowed”.


58 posted on 08/04/2012 12:28:47 PM PDT by MrB (The difference between a Humanist and a Satanist - the latter knows whom he's working for)
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To: sportutegrl

The author seems to think that polygamy is “wrong” and should not be considered a marriage.

What a closed-minded bigot!

Anything short of polygamous, inter-species, intergenerational marriage is a violation of civil rights!


59 posted on 08/04/2012 12:31:10 PM PDT by MrB (The difference between a Humanist and a Satanist - the latter knows whom he's working for)
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To: shatcher

Leftists shouldn’t attempt to refer to the bible, ever, to make their point,

because they always come off looking like such damn fools.


60 posted on 08/04/2012 12:32:39 PM PDT by MrB (The difference between a Humanist and a Satanist - the latter knows whom he's working for)
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To: tanknetter

You’re close.

The goal is, specifically, to criminalize Christian beliefs so they can use the power of the state to punish and kill those who hold those beliefs.


61 posted on 08/04/2012 12:34:20 PM PDT by MrB (The difference between a Humanist and a Satanist - the latter knows whom he's working for)
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To: scottjewell

Perhaps you can look into the eyes of people you care for and respect and explain that providing their children with the full legal protection of an official family would threaten something...
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Perhaps you can imagine that TWO MEN or TWO WOMEN can biologically produce children but I cant...

Theres still that old fashioned birds and the bees thingy

Way back to Bible times..


62 posted on 08/04/2012 12:53:47 PM PDT by Tennessee Nana (Why should I vote for Bishop Romney when he hates me because I am a Christian)
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To: MrB
The goal is, specifically, to criminalize Christian beliefs so they can use the power of the state to punish and kill those who hold those beliefs.

I disagree. Certainly they're going after Christians right now, but only because they're the "easy" targets. Low-hanging fruit, if you will.

If the goal is really to reach the ultimate Marxist state, what they're doing is a classic strategy of divide and conquer. Once the Christians have been neutralized (and by that I think the right term is "neutered", not "killed) they'll start going after the Libertarians, Secular Conservatives, etc.

Eventually they'll end up going after their own "useful idiots", basically the true secular humanists and hippies who will eventually wake up and realize that they've been lied to, used and f*cked over (Admins/Mods, pls excuse language, but I think it appropriate in this case). But at that point there won't be anyone left to join them in opposition - you'll be left with only two groups: the leadership cadre/vanguard and the enslaved.
63 posted on 08/04/2012 12:59:19 PM PDT by tanknetter
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To: MrB

Yes, they are being used as a vehicle of the left. True...


64 posted on 08/04/2012 1:01:49 PM PDT by scottjewell
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To: Maelstorm

Yes, you’ve said it all.

And you are one who sees keenly the subtle but persistant expediency which motivates and propels the left, and serves its interests and agenda.

Some see the consequences at this point, but very few see the roots and motives.


65 posted on 08/04/2012 1:05:50 PM PDT by scottjewell
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To: tanknetter; All

Exactly! “... and then they came for me”.

Anybody who doesn’t know what that pertains to .. you better find out, before they come for you.


66 posted on 08/04/2012 1:22:05 PM PDT by CyberAnt ("America is the greatest nation on the face of the earth".)
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To: scottjewell
Amazing isn't it how intolerant the so-called 'tolerant' folks are? One look at that cartoon shows that clearly.

There is absolutely NO evidence of discrimination toward homosexuals at ANY Chick-Fil-A location anywhere in this country, but that hasn't stopped liberals all over from claiming it, and spreading that lie all through the social media. I read a comment on a TV message board from someone who claimed that CFA wants to 'kill all the gays'. He could only have gotten that notion from his liberal friends.

67 posted on 08/04/2012 1:41:38 PM PDT by SuziQ
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To: MrB; scottjewell

It all began with DADT in the 1990’s, which seemed like a reasonable policy. But, with every step, the activists screamed for more and more.

If marriage is ever redefined nationwide, what will happen next? Will the activists stop there?

At some point, they will have to concede that, whatever name is given to a same-sex relationship, it can never be the same as marriage. So maybe their next step will be to have any disagreement with same-sex “marriage” labeled as a hate crime under the law.

And then what will they want next? Already there have been articles claiming same-sex couples somehow have superior relationships, and that the rest of us can learn from them. And, already, same-sex couples are given adoption privileges that single people and people in platonic relationships aren’t given. Will same-sex couples be screaming for adoption privileges over opposite-sex married couples next?

It all sounds crazy, but we live in strange times.


68 posted on 08/04/2012 2:13:02 PM PDT by Tired of Taxes
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To: scottjewell
Just wondering , though- how would you argue with, say, gay males who would assure you that they will still reproduce and pass on their sperm via surrogate mothers, as is now a new trend among them (Elton John being a famous example, but thousands of others are doing it as well). And lesbians who would tell you they will use sperm donors? (to me this is a whole new ethical problem which needs reigning in soon).

I would answer that offspring need input from both the male and female to successfully reach adulthood and form their own mating bond.

Reproduction involves more than just the male making his deposit and disappearing, it requires both parent investing in the upbringing of the offspring to assure survival. Harry and Larry aren't going to cut it, not only because they cannot take the place of mom, but because the role model they present is not one that will lead any offspring to adulthood with the appropriate background required for a successful relationship with the opposite sex.

Yes, I know there are exceptions to every rule. Just some personal observations about individuals I have been involved with who came from single parent or nontraditional families.

First, a very dear friend whom I've know since kindergarten. He was the youngest of four children. His father died of a heart attack when he was a toddler and his mom didn't remarry until all of the kids were grown. He was always just a bit different from the other boys who had dads. Not that he was a bad kid, he was a very good kid, just there was always something a bit different about him. He's now married with a son of his own and his son appears to be a totally normal kid with out that differentness that his dad had. Interestingly, his brother also married and had children, but neither of his sisters did and one sister has had some "issues" including being picked up for shoplifting (not a teenager, she was in her 50's when this happened - I'm not saying it was because of the lack of a father, just noting)

Next, I work with a guy who was raised by two dads. While he's married (but unable to conceive and going for in vitro, TMI) he stand out like a sore thumb, especially when contrasted to the other people I work with, many of whom are former police and FBI agent - the uber males, if you will. What I find most interesting about this guy is the size of his ego. He thinks he's the most wonderful thing that ever happened, and he's totally oblivious to how much of an idiot everyone else thinks he is. Again, I know that trait is shared by many others from two parent homes, but from other people who have come from "alternative" backgrounds, there seems to be some commonality there.

Anyway, in both of these cases there was the lack of a parent and both exemplify why a mom and a dad are the best assurance for raising offspring who, in turn, will produce their own successful families.

(I'm not even going into what's happen to the african american community and how the lack of fathers has destroyed a generation of young black men and women)

69 posted on 08/04/2012 3:41:15 PM PDT by KosmicKitty (WARNING: Hormonally crazed woman ahead!!)
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To: KosmicKitty

Thanks for your input. Very informative and I agree with you.

I would also add that there is something important about feeling you were conceived by a natural coming together of your married mother and father. I would not want to think my father had been just a sperm donor, or that my mother had been paid to carry me and then give me away. (this holds true as well for single straight women who delibrately use a sperm donor). Even if I were raised by 2 loving Dads or Moms the conception thing would irk me.


70 posted on 08/04/2012 3:57:17 PM PDT by scottjewell
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