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Michael Tomasky on the (Possible) Coming Obama Landslide
The Daily Beast ^ | Aug 4, 2012 | Michael Tomasky

Posted on 08/04/2012 11:56:32 PM PDT by Innovative

Liberals don't want to jinx it. It terrifies the right. And the press would prefer a nail-biter. But the fact is that finding Romney's path to victory is getting harder every day.

There's a secret lurking behind everything you're reading about the upcoming election, a secret that all political insiders know—or should—but few are talking about, most likely because it takes the drama out of the whole business. The secret is the electoral college, and the fact is that the more you look at it, the more you come to conclude that Mitt Romney has to draw an inside straight like you've never ever seen in a movie to win this thing. This is especially true now that it seems as if Pennsylvania isn't really up for grabs. Romney's paths to 270 are few.

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TOPICS: Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: chosenloserromney; elections; loserromney; obama; rinoromney; romney; weakromney
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To: Ann Archy

I actually think Romney could be worse, for e reasons DoughtyOne enumerated in post 143.


201 posted on 08/05/2012 5:32:38 AM PDT by dinodino
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To: DoughtyOne

You, of course, are thinking that there will be another election in 2016. If obama gets re-elected, I look for him to sign an executive order making himself dictator for life.

No more free elections for us! When, will some of you wise up and realize that, even though Romney isn’t what or who we wanted, he is the only chance we have to hold off the total tyranny for this country.

I’d love to have a Conservative candidate, but, they were picked off one by one during the primaries. We’re stuck with who we have.

Some will sit home in November,and whine about not having a conservative to vote for, and will come back on here griping and complaining that zero won again.

I don’t understand why some can’t see that they are helping obama’s re-election campaign. There may or may NOT be a 2016 election if zero wins again. He’d be perfectly happy being ruler over us for life.


202 posted on 08/05/2012 5:34:51 AM PDT by Catsrus
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To: swampfox101

D-One would rather step on a marked landmine than risk a papercut.
This whole “maybe we get a real conservative in 4 more years” crap burns me every 4 years. D-One and dinodino take an all-or-nothing approach to a fluid human-devised system. That, in my mind is pure foolishness.
And functionally, these two and the anti-Romney crowd at this point are democrats.


203 posted on 08/05/2012 5:35:28 AM PDT by bossmechanic (If all else fails, hit it with a hammer)
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To: dinodino
WORSE??? REALLY?? How about JUDGES???? How about people in his ADMINISTRATION???? REALLY you think Romney's Attorney General would be as bad or worse than Eric Holder???

Some people are CLUELESS or so damned IDEALISTIC they can;t see the forest thru the trees.

Jesus isn't running, Palin isn;t running......GROW UP and GROW A PAIR!! Our country's future hangs in the balance!

204 posted on 08/05/2012 5:40:40 AM PDT by Ann Archy ( ABORTION...the HUMAN Sacrifice to the god of Convenience.)
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To: marygam

Ty. Some on this tread are proof that our education system is a complete failure.


205 posted on 08/05/2012 5:41:31 AM PDT by swampfox101
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To: dinodino

When you and D-one can predict the future, let me know. Seems to me that neither of you is very good at recognizing reality and dealing with it.
Big boys don’t take their ball and go home.
Try using your vast insights to be constructive instead of defeatist.


206 posted on 08/05/2012 5:41:41 AM PDT by bossmechanic (If all else fails, hit it with a hammer)
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To: bert

Ty.


207 posted on 08/05/2012 5:47:24 AM PDT by swampfox101
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To: bossmechanic

I’m not taking my ball and going home! I am simply not going to vote for your crappy, leftist candidate just because the Republican establishment refuse to back a true conservative. Perhaps you are the one ignoring the reality of where this nation is headed, and that both Parties are taking us there as quickly as they can.

So, explain to us how Romney signed Romneycare and the AWB. Do you think those were just flukes? If those didn’t represent his core beliefs, why did he do them?


208 posted on 08/05/2012 5:49:38 AM PDT by dinodino
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To: Byron_the_Aussie

Nope, sorry—I was a diehard Reagan supporter. Nice theory you had there, though.


209 posted on 08/05/2012 5:51:16 AM PDT by dinodino
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To: DoughtyOne

I stand with you Doughty One.The coolaid drinkers on FR are relentless in their support of obamalite.They are part of the problem as I see it.I believe this election is a sham set up by the powers that be with the result being total control of our every waking moment.Screw them.


210 posted on 08/05/2012 5:54:35 AM PDT by HANG THE EXPENSE (Life's tough.It's tougher when you're stupid.)
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To: Innovative

Unicorns can fly also. People walk on fire to vote against barry


211 posted on 08/05/2012 5:55:04 AM PDT by italianquaker ( Mr Obama inherited an AAA rating and made it AA, thnx Resident Zero)
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Romney is no prize.

HOWEVER, he isn’t Obama, not by a damn long shot.

If he has a dem congress he will be a very squishy RINO.

If he has a pub congress he will get Rid of Obamacare (as he has said he would. Lower taxes as he has promised, and pass the Ryan budget.

This is worth voting for.

The big key IMO is electing the “Palin” Senators. That will send a message to the GOPe and start the game change this country needs.

We need to look at the big picture and no react like a bunch of whiny libs.


212 posted on 08/05/2012 5:57:01 AM PDT by Leto
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To: italianquaker

will walk


213 posted on 08/05/2012 5:58:01 AM PDT by italianquaker ( Mr Obama inherited an AAA rating and made it AA, thnx Resident Zero)
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To: bossmechanic

Sad but true. I can’t believe folks are ready to hand this GREAT COUNTRY over to a known and proven commuist just because Romney isn’t “conservative” enough.


214 posted on 08/05/2012 5:58:29 AM PDT by swampfox101
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To: dupree

You people are living in dream land.Please tell us what romney has done(RECORD AS GOVENOR)that leads you to believe he would be any different than obama?I dont expect a reply but feel free to do so if you like.


215 posted on 08/05/2012 5:58:47 AM PDT by HANG THE EXPENSE (Life's tough.It's tougher when you're stupid.)
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To: DoughtyOne

I like your style D1.


216 posted on 08/05/2012 6:00:32 AM PDT by HANG THE EXPENSE (Life's tough.It's tougher when you're stupid.)
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To: Innovative

Tomasky’s article needed to rely heavily on polls like Pew’s D+19 poll giving Obama a lead in the general election. Basically The Daily Beast, Politico, Morning Joe and the rest of the MSM continue to construct and live an alternate reality where 2012 continues to be 2008. Obama is in deep do do and Tamaskky and the rest of MSM all know it.


217 posted on 08/05/2012 6:02:01 AM PDT by hflynn
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To: Essie

Please enlighten us on the differences between the two.How about start with romneycare?I await your reply.


218 posted on 08/05/2012 6:02:49 AM PDT by HANG THE EXPENSE (Life's tough.It's tougher when you're stupid.)
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To: Innovative

Had that stupid amnesty plan of his passed he would have destoyed the country.Just how blind are you?Are you sure you are at the right wedsite?


219 posted on 08/05/2012 6:06:59 AM PDT by HANG THE EXPENSE (Life's tough.It's tougher when you're stupid.)
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To: dinodino

Look dinodino—
I’m not here to teach pigs to sing.
I don’t need to explain anything to your satisfaction.
You’re a defeatist bore and I have no need of your further opinion.

The one extremely powerful advantage we have to get Obumo the heck out is enthusiasm for “the other guy” and you are just a big slopping bucket of larva infested water trying to put out any ABO fire.
I expect to deal with Romney and all his faults after he’s in office and Obumo is out. But first things first...... Obumo must be OUT - pure and simple.
Your idealism and purist attitude is infantile.


220 posted on 08/05/2012 6:17:02 AM PDT by bossmechanic (If all else fails, hit it with a hammer)
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To: dixiechick2000

Calling DOUGHTY ONE pro obama is very stupid on your part.You may want to rethink that statement.


221 posted on 08/05/2012 6:18:24 AM PDT by HANG THE EXPENSE (Life's tough.It's tougher when you're stupid.)
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To: M1911A1

Very cool tagline.I have to disagree with your statement that conservatives are the reason romney is the presumptive nominee.It was open primaries(gop elite is responsible for that) that caused the vote to be watered down.Florida is nothing more than a bunch of transplant libs and I give you the fact that florida went for the obumer in 08.South Carolina was altogether different.


222 posted on 08/05/2012 6:26:54 AM PDT by HANG THE EXPENSE (Life's tough.It's tougher when you're stupid.)
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To: DoughtyOne

Oh, so we’re supposed to bank on your hypothetical conservative knight in shining armor showing up in 2016. We’re supposed to sit on our hands this election and let a Marxist wreck the country for four years, then we’ll fix it all when Mr. Right comes along. Well that’s a real good plan and stuff, but what happens if he doesn’t come along?

Your problem is that you think you’re hard core when you’re not. The hard truth is that a Reagan only comes along every century or so, and in the meantime you slog through with the imperfect hands you’re dealt. Falling short of the ideal is the norm for life on planet Earth. The only reason you even get to an exceptional Reagan type is because you’ve slogged through in between. Slogging through is how you create the conditions for a Reagan. If you think you get a Reagan every time then you’re not living on planet Earth.

You seem to think you’re acting on some higher principle by sitting around demeaning and demoralizing those of us who are getting ready to grit our teeth and slog through again. You’re like a powdered prince riding on our backs. You’ll only get out and pull for the team when we arrive at the next Reagan. You don’t want to get your little feet dirty.


223 posted on 08/05/2012 6:27:18 AM PDT by Yardstick
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To: Svartalfiar

“All Zone 1 Clubs are active, with regular attendance at Zone Meetings.”.....

Don’t bet on it.


224 posted on 08/05/2012 6:39:09 AM PDT by DaveA37
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To: Yardstick
That's an awesome post.

Don't let the libretarian sect get you down - by their very definition, they only care about themelves and how everything affects them. Taking the long view is not their strong point - as long as they "got theirs", everyone else can go hang.

Don't worry, Zero is going down and he's going down hard.

225 posted on 08/05/2012 7:03:24 AM PDT by liberty_lvr (Drill Gaia like a 3 am prom date)
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To: DoughtyOne
Ok Doughty, and others..
Lets hear your plan.. Take me down your road to a recovery, the hat trick that you and others have in mind if we take your advice..

I'm serious, I have to admit, that I am as frustrated as many on the fence are, but I haven't ever entertained throwing in the towel.. It's just not in my make-up..

If you had my proxy vote and the votes of, say 5% of conservatives on the political landscape, what will happen in your wet dream, scenario?

226 posted on 08/05/2012 7:03:26 AM PDT by carlo3b (Less Government, more Fiber..)
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To: Innovative

If 0bama is re-elected, this country absolutely SUCKS! That doesn’t mean that we don’t have beautiful scenery, a great history, that we didn’t have great people, and that we didn’t have a great constitution. It means the country, that is the people that presently constitute the county as a whole, really do suck because they are throwing away the greatest country in history.
We will have economic collapse and civil war if this POS is re-elected. After that, it will be impossible to restore the republic through legal or political means. The best we coud hope for is a coup or revolution that installs a dictatorship that supports free markets and suppresses the Left.


227 posted on 08/05/2012 7:07:47 AM PDT by grumpygresh (Democrats delenda est; zero sera dans l'enfer bientot.)
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To: dinodino

“I don’t see how anyone whom calls himself a Conservative could ever vote for Romney.”

I will because I consider myself an American first. We have a Communist in the White House now and I want him out. It is really just as simple as that.


228 posted on 08/05/2012 7:08:22 AM PDT by Amntn
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To: Russ

Russ, I completely agree with you...First go around I voted for Newt Gingrich...He has been tested and vetted, and is experienced. I am voting Romney, and as you said, concentrate on the senate, and defeat Obama...thanks for responding to my post.


229 posted on 08/05/2012 7:12:36 AM PDT by Bullfrogg (American by birth, Irish by heritage, and hellraiser by choice)
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To: bossmechanic

It’s sad that you find idealism to be “infantile.”. Since Romney doesn’t appear to be an idealist of any sort, he should be your dream candidate.

I am still waiting for you one of you Romney cheerleaders to justify his passage of weapons ban, Romneycare, and his support of amnesty. Do you have your head in the sand?


230 posted on 08/05/2012 7:13:58 AM PDT by dinodino
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To: HANG THE EXPENSE; Essie

I’m with Hang the Expense. Why won’t any of the Romney supporters tell us the significance of his voting record? I know why not: because they know that Romney is a disaster, and they are hoping that his past record was a fluke.


231 posted on 08/05/2012 7:16:27 AM PDT by dinodino
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To: Ingtar

It’s almost like he is some sort of Etch-a-sketch that shows a new image whenever he chooses..... Romney’s positions on key issues only differs slightly from Obama’s.

A Republican presidency’s purpose is to consolidate Democrat presidency’s gains. There is only one party with 2 wings that continually good cop - bad cop the increasingly Affirmative Action dumber and dumber USA entertainment addicts. The party of incumbent Ivy League lawyers that infest the highest levels of govt.


232 posted on 08/05/2012 7:21:40 AM PDT by wrencher
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To: Innovative

I see different kinds of bad depending on who gets elected. The author of the original piece, however, blew any claim to objective analysis when he stated “And this odious voter ID law is facing meaningful challenges.”, meaning to win Pennsylvania Philly will have to have 120% turnout again.


233 posted on 08/05/2012 7:21:40 AM PDT by Dr. Sivana ("I love to hear you talk talk talk, but I hate what I hear you say."-Del Shannon)
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To: Kit cat

I agree with you.

Sadly, too.


234 posted on 08/05/2012 7:25:09 AM PDT by combat_boots (The Lion of Judah cometh. Hallelujah. Gloria Patri, Filio et Spiritui Sancto.)
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To: Innovative
Whew! I read all the posts. Here is what I think (hope, pray).

Romney & Co. are waiting for just the right moment to launch their REAL campaign. They have kept their REAL strategy secret. ie. What they will run on, states they will fight for.

Once they reveal their strategy, it will be a little late for Obama to change theirs.

They will unleash an onslaught against Obama that won't let up until election day. Money is not an issue for Romney since he has raised more than Obama, has superpacs AND his own fortune in the Cayman's. I think Romney is ALL IN this cycle. He will do whatever, spend whatever it takes to WIN.

Romney DESTROYED Newt in Florida (with money). He will do the same with Obama.

Do I think this will happen???? I hope and pray it does. If it does.... I hope those of you, like myself, who swore to NEVER vote for Romney, will change your minds and vote for him.

Bob McDonnell for VP, the only SMART choice.

235 posted on 08/05/2012 7:30:22 AM PDT by faucetman ( Just the facts, ma'am, Just the facts)
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To: HANG THE EXPENSE; dinodino; DoughtyOne
If you had my proxy vote and the votes of, say 5% of conservatives on the political landscape, what will happen in your wet dream, scenario?

I'm waiting for something to chew on, about a plan that would entice me to throw my vote away, because having a better plan can get me to the finish line, faster! Please present it in simple terms, maybe with bullet points because people as simple as you seem to think we are, need to have it spelled out.. Please show me, us, how and why, doing it your way has a much better outcome than electing a known Marxist!

236 posted on 08/05/2012 7:31:47 AM PDT by carlo3b (Less Government, more Fiber..)
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To: Innovative; dinodino; DoughtyOne
Obama's re-election, especially if it were a landslide (unlikely), would guarantee the near-term beginning of R2/CW2.

"Is life so dear, or peace so sweet, as to be purchased at the price of chains and slavery? Forbid it, Almighty God! I know not what course others may take; but as for me, Give me Liberty, or give me Death!"

237 posted on 08/05/2012 7:32:56 AM PDT by DTogo (High time to bring back the Sons of Liberty !!)
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To: dinodino
I will never cast a ballot for the liberal Romney. I will hope for a Conservative candidate. If we don’t get one, I will write in Palin.

I wonder who Sarah Palin is going to vote for. After she decided not to run herself, she supported Newt and then he was defeated by the machine. Perhaps she's going to write in Gingrich.

238 posted on 08/05/2012 7:37:20 AM PDT by arasina (So there.)
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How about we think of what scenarios a second 0bama term will put in cement.

We will be....

disarmed

controlled by the control and dispensation of food, medicines and medical procedures, gasoline, electricity and natural gas

unable to afford to drive distances

forced to move into regional metropolitan centers

persecuted (if Christian, Jewish or a heterophile)

witness to the ever-growing Islamic transformation and ‘revival’ occurring on US soil

made to abandon Israel

forced to pay XY% of our incomes earned to millions of newly legally ‘made’ US citizens

denied our Constitutional rights in favor of UN (read Islamic) rule

These are best-case scenarios.

Worst case is much darker.


239 posted on 08/05/2012 7:40:26 AM PDT by combat_boots (The Lion of Judah cometh. Hallelujah. Gloria Patri, Filio et Spiritui Sancto.)
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To: DoughtyOne; All

Tomasky = doughtyone. Congratulations on successfully completing your mission to go “deep undercover” at Free Republic.

Troll.

Now back off to Democratic Underground please.


240 posted on 08/05/2012 7:53:56 AM PDT by PAR
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To: monocle
I am fully cognizant of open primaries and the havoc they cause. But...

You already had it right. There is no but.

Quit trying to make excuses. The GOPe needs to take a leadership role against this. Sometimes the rank and file cannot do things on their own. What's the point of being a member of a group who won't lift a finger to help you?

When open primaries showed up on the ballot in California, neither the state Republican leadership or the national leadership uttered a word or lifted a finger. Don't you think the GOPe has a vested interest in this? Not a peep!

We had the whole Left thinking it was a swell idea, and a lot of Republicans wondering, because there wasn't so much as a hint that the party leadership saw anything wrong with it.

241 posted on 08/05/2012 8:09:47 AM PDT by DoughtyOne (Vote Obama he's unqualified on so many subjects, citizenship, history, economics, racism, allies...)
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To: ontap

Boehner, McConnell, and Romney...

[ shaking head ]

We’re really on a roll here...


242 posted on 08/05/2012 8:15:26 AM PDT by DoughtyOne (Vote Obama he's unqualified on so many subjects, citizenship, history, economics, racism, allies...)
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To: swampfox101

I think you can press yourself and give me a better adult response than that. When you do, I’ll respond.


243 posted on 08/05/2012 8:17:03 AM PDT by DoughtyOne (Vote Obama he's unqualified on so many subjects, citizenship, history, economics, racism, allies...)
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To: chopperjc

You may be proven right. I don’t think it’s as bad as you do. If it turns out Romney doesn’t get the votes, what do you think the reason would be? Lousy candidate? Changing electorate? The fact that he has operated as so much of a statist Leftist in the past?

My take would be the third.

We will see. I expect to see him win by a wide margin.


244 posted on 08/05/2012 8:22:46 AM PDT by DoughtyOne (Vote Obama he's unqualified on so many subjects, citizenship, history, economics, racism, allies...)
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To: Principled

Let’s see, he has supported abortion, passed his own version of government health care, and sat on a platform with a smiling Ted Kennedy and a bunch of other crusty die-hard Democrats looking over his shoulder as he signed that bill.

He governed as a Lefty, and has never governed as anything else.

So you get upset that I tell it like it is, and tell me I’m the one who belongs on D. U., because I won’t support him.

LOL


245 posted on 08/05/2012 8:26:21 AM PDT by DoughtyOne (Vote Obama he's unqualified on so many subjects, citizenship, history, economics, racism, allies...)
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To: Catsrus

Thanks for your comments. If you want to see a response to it, please look up thread where I have addressed this angle a number of times.

Later...


246 posted on 08/05/2012 8:27:53 AM PDT by DoughtyOne (Vote Obama he's unqualified on so many subjects, citizenship, history, economics, racism, allies...)
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To: HANG THE EXPENSE

Thanks Hang the Expense.


247 posted on 08/05/2012 8:31:18 AM PDT by DoughtyOne (Vote Obama he's unqualified on so many subjects, citizenship, history, economics, racism, allies...)
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To: Yardstick

Please open your own eyes, and take a look at what Romney governed like as a governor.

Romneycare...
Supported abortion...
Appointed Liberal judges (the vast majority)...

What the hell is wrong with you folks.

Did Jim sell the forum to D. U. without telling me?

This guy is a full blown Democrat(R).

Oh maybe I got that wrong.

He’s just a Republican(D).

NO!


248 posted on 08/05/2012 8:35:02 AM PDT by DoughtyOne (Vote Obama he's unqualified on so many subjects, citizenship, history, economics, racism, allies...)
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To: DoughtyOne

No, you read wrong - your mypopia is evident.

What I posted was that our chance to do something about the quality of our nominee has passed. The primary is over and you failed to get a decent candidate nominated. So quit yer bitchin’ and get our nominee elected because he is waaaay less bad than 0bama. Way.

You responded to my post by not addressing the issue WHATSOEVER. Yes, that’s a leftist approach.

The issue is that you did not do what was necessary to get a better nominee and now you’re whining and bitching about it. Well, sux to be you. It’s your fault. Cut your losses and avoid an 0bama 2nd term, its supreme court appointments, its unilateral disarmament, its job killing, marxist policies, its war on small business, its growth of fed government, its marxist executive orders, and its unbounded spending.

We’re not idiots - there are differences between 0bama and our nominee. Go whine and cry in the back yard, get over it, and get our nominee elected. Then, to avoid the problem next time, do better in the primary.


249 posted on 08/05/2012 8:37:39 AM PDT by Principled (Vote Romney to stop Obama. Vote for conservative Reps and Senators to stop Romney. [ZET 7/30/12])
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To: carlo3b

Is it too much to ask for the GOPe to start supporting Conservative candidates?

Is it too much to ask to have them send out talking heads that don’t support McCain or Romney type candidates?

Is it too much to ask to have them support Conservative candidates instead?

How about them sending out talking heads that actually hawk Conservative values like Reagan did?

Is it too much to ask them to support decent legislation and quite trying to foist off more big government programs, or make illegal and criminal aliens among us legal residents, headed toward citizenship?

How about sending out leaders who inform state party leaders and members that open primaries are hurting us, and that the state membership should work to get those abolished, or a the very least make a lot of noise when these ballots come up in new states?

How about the GOPe starting a movement to get all open primaries abolished?

Do you see any of that now?

The answer is no.

That would at minimum, be the places I’d start.


250 posted on 08/05/2012 8:43:07 AM PDT by DoughtyOne (Vote Obama he's unqualified on so many subjects, citizenship, history, economics, racism, allies...)
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