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Michael Tomasky on the (Possible) Coming Obama Landslide
The Daily Beast ^ | Aug 4, 2012 | Michael Tomasky

Posted on 08/04/2012 11:56:32 PM PDT by Innovative

Liberals don't want to jinx it. It terrifies the right. And the press would prefer a nail-biter. But the fact is that finding Romney's path to victory is getting harder every day.

There's a secret lurking behind everything you're reading about the upcoming election, a secret that all political insiders know—or should—but few are talking about, most likely because it takes the drama out of the whole business. The secret is the electoral college, and the fact is that the more you look at it, the more you come to conclude that Mitt Romney has to draw an inside straight like you've never ever seen in a movie to win this thing. This is especially true now that it seems as if Pennsylvania isn't really up for grabs. Romney's paths to 270 are few.

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To: DoughtyOne

Fine! Vote for some third party....you might get them up to 6% and cause Romney to lose. That would be success in mind...right!!!


251 posted on 08/05/2012 8:47:07 AM PDT by ontap
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To: DTogo

That sounds pretty good until you think of the dead people on Weaver’s farm, the dead people at Waco, the dead border agent, and folks who have to fly these days. And now drones are flying over our nation, and we have a division of our military assigned to operate on U. S. soil.

Is this evidence of Conservative presidents working their magic, or evidence of Leftist presidents working theirs?

We simply cannot continue to elect Leftists from the Republican party.


252 posted on 08/05/2012 8:48:26 AM PDT by DoughtyOne (Vote Obama he's unqualified on so many subjects, citizenship, history, economics, racism, allies...)
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To: PAR

Oh that’s such a powerful argument... /s

He supports government health care...
He appointed mostly Leftist judges...
He supported abortion...

I call him on it, and you want me to go to D. U. so you can support him in peace.

Do I have that about right? No. I got it exactly right and you know it.


253 posted on 08/05/2012 8:50:52 AM PDT by DoughtyOne (Vote Obama he's unqualified on so many subjects, citizenship, history, economics, racism, allies...)
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To: DoughtyOne

Doughtyone, Thanks so much for taking the time to answer all these posts. I agree with you 100%. I just couldn’t have explained it as well as you have done.


254 posted on 08/05/2012 8:51:08 AM PDT by magglepuss (Don't tread on me)
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To: Innovative
Polls are worthless before Labor Day, and weak until October. Nobody's leading jack right now.

That said, this article is campaign obvious. Certain states decide the election. Gore and Kerry had to try and run the table in 2000/2004 (nearly did). McCain had one path to win and choked. Either Obama or Romney will have to run the table this year depending how things look.

255 posted on 08/05/2012 8:51:13 AM PDT by Darren McCarty (Holding my nose one more time to get rid of Eric Holder)
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To: DoughtyOne

Do you deny that conservatives have used the open primaries in attempts cause havoc in Democrat races?


256 posted on 08/05/2012 8:52:57 AM PDT by monocle (Some polls are desi)
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To: ontap

“Rain

“I’d feel better if WE ALL UNITE to support Mitt Romney”.

Ditto.

Were you reading over at the Free Republic, also, this morning? It was near enough to drive me to drink!

As it is I’m left thoroughly amazed by the reasoning of some who think it would be best to sit this one out or vote for Obama again, allowing him to completely destroy what’s left of this once great Republic so that come 2016, it might be rebuilt again.

The mere thought of that shakes me to the marrow, believing as I do that Obama would not only be President for another 4 more years, but KING, or at least a lifelong Dictator who’d obliterate any chance we had of voting him out of office at any point in the future. If that were to happen what would our children, our future generations, ever know about what it was to live free?”

http://www.breitbart.com/Big-Government/2012/08/04/Another-Chick-fil-A-vandalized

We are tearing each other to shreds. People are noticing.


257 posted on 08/05/2012 8:53:30 AM PDT by combat_boots (The Lion of Judah cometh. Hallelujah. Gloria Patri, Filio et Spiritui Sancto.)
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To: Innovative

the writer of this piece is a proud Red Diaper baby

who writes for Newsweek, Daily Beast, and The Guardian

why does anyone here care what he says?

if Obama wins there will be time to gloat then

if Romney wins there will be plenty of time to bitch about him the next 4 years too

there will likely be less to bitch about than if Obama wins

but it will sting more

like Bush


258 posted on 08/05/2012 9:06:30 AM PDT by wardaddy (this white hair don't cover up my redneck......)
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To: vette6387
Did you give any thought to what happens if Obama is reelected?

I think Americans would be forced to fight for their freedom or surrender. Might be the best thing to ever happen to us.

Whereas with Romney, our freedom would continue to be stolen silently while we barely paid attention.

The GOPe is as progressive as the democrat party and will take us to the same big government tyranny the democrats will, but the rinos still understand how money works, so it won't be quite as painful with Romney as it would be with obama.

They both jumped the shark with their two party, progressive war against the Constitution and we, the people. It's time for something new.

The progressives, be they democrat or GOPe rino, are NOT the answer, but the pain they cause might lead us to it.

And so, here we are...doing the same thing over and over again, while ignoring the feedback and expecting a different result.

That's the reality behind your Romney sales pitch. We're either admiring the view from the slippery slope or skiing to the bottom.

259 posted on 08/05/2012 9:21:46 AM PDT by revo evom
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To: RIghtwardHo; dixiechick2000
You're right about polls but it is a slight edge for Obama whereas McCain had a slight edge this time in 2008.

and even though I do actually think polls are more often accurate than not I am noticing that most polls are weighing their polls per 2008 Democrat averages which are 9-15 points more sampling for Dems than GOP

in 2010 GOP out sampled Dems turnout wise

hence I don't see current sampling as accurate but rather tilting at least 4 points Democrat based on record Dem tunrout which given 2010 ain't gonna happen

black man has already run once...

samplings will likely tighten up by late September as will the polls baring a gaffe

Obama stays under 50 percent everywhere and for an incumbent he is low in polls...too tight in the aggregate

all 3 losers in the past 40 years seeking a second term were under 50%..Carter...Ford...GHW Bush

however...Romney is so far proving to be a poor candidate

playing it safe loses races...and the media has succeeded framing him as a rich out of touch guy

but most folks right of center absolutely loathe Obama and will hold their noses

I see Romney winning by 3-4% in a tight electoral race given the left and minorities control so much urban blue turf

it will be based on high turnout by angry white self identified Christian voters

the CFA brigade was a harbinger

260 posted on 08/05/2012 9:25:53 AM PDT by wardaddy (this white hair don't cover up my redneck......)
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To: DoughtyOne

You have NO RESPONSE....! You can’t defend the indefensible. I don’t blame you, If I were a democrat, Id be ashamed of that communist in the White House too.

You have NO trouble shooting your mouth off when it comes to republicans and their short comings but when it comes to that communist in the White House, you can’t even bring it upon urself to find one fault.

Your are a fraud.....and the reason you want resopnd is becaue you can’t. You know Obama is a communist, the democrat congress is made up mostly of communist, and you, like Obama, worship at the foot of your God, Karl Marx.


261 posted on 08/05/2012 9:37:31 AM PDT by swampfox101
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To: DoughtyOne

Everyone here is familiar with Romney’s background.

If the congress puts repeal of Obamacare on Romney’s desk, he will sign it. With Obama there is zero chance of that happening.

We’re going to win the abortion issue from the grassroots up, not from the top down. The issue is moving our direction independently of whoever happens to be president.

There was no way Romney was going appoint conservative judges in a blue state with a blue legislature.

The idea that wanting to see Romney beat Obama is a DU attitude is just silly. The very fact that you’re thinking this should be a red flag in your own mind that you’ve gotten off track somehow. Sometimes it’s good to sort of step outside yourself and cross-examine your owning thinking to make sure your perspective hasn’t gotten skewed. We’re all conservatives and we’re all struggling with what to do about this mess we’re in.


262 posted on 08/05/2012 9:39:29 AM PDT by Yardstick
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To: DoughtyOne
"That’s why my future votes will only go to a reasoned Conservative."

Doughty, If you recall, back during the election of 2000, I recommended that Al Gore be elected. I still think it was the best of the options we were facing. Gore was a once in a lifetime buffoon capable of displaying to the public how far out of balance our federal government along with the two political parties populating it at that time had become to mainstream America. Real change, led by true conservatives would be the net result.

This election does not afford us such an opportunity. We have NO choice, be it one forced upon us or not. Obama must be defeated or the cause itself is over and done with. This nation, as constituted, cannot survive his re-election.period.

I hate Romney and how the GOP establishment has manipulated the primaries time after time to ensure his type get the nomination. I told this forum many years ago that to get rid of the Democrats, we must first get rid of their bodyguards, the Republicans. In many ways this is still true. The problem this election cycle is that if we don't get rid of Obama, there might never be a chance to enact the changes we wish to enact. Socialism is FAILING right before everyone's eyes all over this nation as one city after another declares bankruptcy. There will be a response to this. Our time is coming. We can't afford to stop the clock now.

263 posted on 08/05/2012 9:41:59 AM PDT by Uncle Sham
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To: ScottinVA
I agree with your points. All actions of a desperate campaign.

However, the GOPe wants 'the cherry on top' with the conservative vote as a seal of approval. They think that threatening people into voting through the specter of a second term is sufficient incitement when it is actually an insult.

It's no different than with the Democrats with Obama in 08. Many "middle to right" Democrats didn't want Obama yet they gave their vote anyway simply because they were, and had always been, Democrats.
They chose party over principles and now many of them regret their vote.

264 posted on 08/05/2012 10:01:21 AM PDT by philman_36 (Pride breakfasted with plenty, dined with poverty, and supped with infamy. Benjamin Franklin)
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To: monocle
I am fully aware of the form of government we have in this country...
Apparently not since you called it a democracy.

...but apparently you have overlooked the fact that democratic principles are employed in electing our representatives and senators or are you asserting that elections are not democratic.
You can't even get that right.
@There are democratic elements to our form of government, not democratic principles.

The rest of your reply...more fear mongering.

265 posted on 08/05/2012 10:08:29 AM PDT by philman_36 (Pride breakfasted with plenty, dined with poverty, and supped with infamy. Benjamin Franklin)
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To: carlo3b

I dont care if we have your vote.We dont vote for liberals of either party.Got that?


266 posted on 08/05/2012 10:21:09 AM PDT by HANG THE EXPENSE (Life's tough.It's tougher when you're stupid.)
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To: DoughtyOne; Deagle; dixiechick2000

Doughty One: “I’m not going to vote for Bush because he’s a putz, and I’m not going to vote for McCain because he’s terrible, why would I vote for this chameleon?”

Making statements such as the above, about President Bush is all we need to know about you...


267 posted on 08/05/2012 10:21:09 AM PDT by Innovative (None are so blind that will not see.)
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To: Principled; DoughtyOne

Principled (ironic name, by the way),

You say that Romney’s critics should have worked harder to get “their” candidate in the primaries. Does that mean Romney embodies YOUR ideals? Are you telling conservatives to go pound sand, and that YOUR way, the moderate left/Romney way, is just the way it’s going to be?


268 posted on 08/05/2012 10:25:48 AM PDT by dinodino
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To: DoughtyOne

“I and patriots like myself”

How patriotic is it to root for the reelection of Obama, when everyone knows he will destroy the country, so we’ll never be able to put it back together again.


269 posted on 08/05/2012 10:26:38 AM PDT by Innovative (None are so blind that will not see.)
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To: HANG THE EXPENSE

Well, if open primaries are to blame for Romney, we are in turn to blame for allowing open primaries, or at least not calling for the political heads of those who allow them.

I just don’t see the point of wailing and gnashing our teeth with no other plan than “let it get so bad it implodes and only then will we exert our will on a suddenly supportive population”.

The libs aren’t going to just disappear if the economy collapses, they’ll still be around blaming us. What makes us think that the same folks who lined up for handouts before will have a change of heart and become conservatives?


270 posted on 08/05/2012 10:27:15 AM PDT by M1911A1
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To: Ann Archy

“I call myself an ULTRA conservative and while Romney isn’t my IDEAL, he’s ALL WE HAVE BETWEEN US and TOTAL DESTRUCTION!!!!!! “

Well said. You are exactly right.

It’s time for people to take off their blinders and see the obvious that you stated.


271 posted on 08/05/2012 10:32:16 AM PDT by Innovative (None are so blind that will not see.)
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To: M1911A1

There is no wailing and gnashing of teeth.The elite in each state are well fortified(MONEY).Therefore it is damn near impossible to get them out of power.I am talking of the northeast hear.The will is not there. In the south we would run them out of town on a rail.


272 posted on 08/05/2012 10:38:20 AM PDT by HANG THE EXPENSE (Life's tough.It's tougher when you're stupid.)
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To: DoughtyOne

You are most welcome.


273 posted on 08/05/2012 10:39:30 AM PDT by HANG THE EXPENSE (Life's tough.It's tougher when you're stupid.)
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To: combat_boots

It’s the “burn down the village to save it” syndrome...

They will be proud if they will succeed in helping Obama get a second term.


274 posted on 08/05/2012 10:46:18 AM PDT by Innovative (None are so blind that will not see.)
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To: trebb

The millions that put him where he is at can vote for him and allow him to continue the destruction in their name. My head is cut off and my toe is more than stubbed with either in the Oval Office. I will not vote for ObamaRomneycare, abortion, destruction of marriage, liberal judges, higher taxes (even if disguised as mandatory fees and fewer deductions, or someone who has proven as negative or destructive as either candidate.


275 posted on 08/05/2012 10:54:59 AM PDT by Ingtar ("As the light begins to fade in the city on the hill")
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To: Byron_the_Aussie

In 1980, our venom was not aimed at Reagan. Rather, it was aimed at George Bush, who for all of his liberal positions, was still to the right of Romney.


276 posted on 08/05/2012 11:00:00 AM PDT by Ingtar ("As the light begins to fade in the city on the hill")
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To: Innovative

What an idiotic article. The Electoral College is not a secret and it does not help Democrat candidates. It overrepresents Republican voters and keeps Democrats from running up the score in California or New York.


277 posted on 08/05/2012 11:06:30 AM PDT by GunRunner (***Not associated with any criminal actions anonymus by the ATF***)
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To: dinodino
Romney will NOT repeal Obamacare. If you think he will, you are going to be sorely disappointed...

So you think Romney would veto a bill to repeal Obamacare?

278 posted on 08/05/2012 11:35:31 AM PDT by Mike Darancette (Obamaid has to go.)
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To: Mike Darancette

Romney will do what is politically expedient. He represents a final return to the politics we experienced before 2005.


279 posted on 08/05/2012 11:38:31 AM PDT by combat_boots (The Lion of Judah cometh. Hallelujah. Gloria Patri, Filio et Spiritui Sancto.)
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To: combat_boots

Vetoing you own Congress’ signature bill is not politically expedient.


280 posted on 08/05/2012 11:45:19 AM PDT by Mike Darancette (Obamaid has to go.)
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To: Mike Darancette

Yes, I do. More likely, though, is that Mitt would advance a plan to “fix” Obamacare and the Republicans would go along with it.

I think it’s quite likely he would sign another gun ban,too.


281 posted on 08/05/2012 12:24:35 PM PDT by dinodino
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To: Ingtar
The millions that put him where he is at can vote for him and allow him to continue the destruction in their name. My head is cut off and my toe is more than stubbed with either in the Oval Office. I will not vote for ObamaRomneycare, abortion, destruction of marriage, liberal judges, higher taxes (even if disguised as mandatory fees and fewer deductions, or someone who has proven as negative or destructive as either candidate.

Nobody (even Romney) has been proven half as destructive as Obama. At the very least, Romney understands that what might be aceptable 9even if not right) at State level is not right at the National level. While he is too liberal for my liking, he has stated he would overturn ObamaCare, has stated that he thinks Roe vs. Wade should be overturned, conceded that even as he is not anti-homosexual, that businesses and the People have the right to not be forced into embracing homosexuality, has business/economic acumen and did manage to make Massachusetts a little more pro-business despite having a heavily Democratic set of politicians to have to work with/around. Not "Christian" enough for you - the government is not a religious theocracy and shouldn't be. Bush is Christian and still managed to bollix things up with his "compassionate conservatism". To say there is no difference is like saying that, on the surface, a dog turd and a Tootsie Roll appear to be much the same, so they must be the same. Please tell me, with some real conviction, how allowing Obama a second term will be beneficial to us and I'll jump on the bandwagon. Until then, this chicke-coop resident will vote for the Chihuaua instead of giving the fox another term to continue trying to satiate his appetite for chewing on the flesh of Freedom and trashing the Constitution to all our demise. What he has already wrought will take years/decades to undo if we actually end up with a conservative majority - given another 4 years, with no thoughts of being reelected (if we still have anything that resembles real elections) and he just might tip it so far that another revolutionary war is the only hope, and the government is already ensconced on the mainland and very well armed. Other than "voting your conservative/Christian principles", what is your idea of how the end game might play out? You must have some vision that makes stopping Romney the most important, and rational, goal of your life....right? If any of you actually had some sense of how it will/would play out, instead of spouting that there's no difference, the lesser of two evils is still evil, and other heart-string quips, then I'll gladly put a STOP ROMNEY AT ALL COSTS bumper sticker on my car and join your chorus. Until then, I'llray for a miracle but I won't count on one as my last ray of hope.

282 posted on 08/05/2012 12:27:15 PM PDT by trebb ("If a man will not work, he should not eat" From 2 Thes 3)
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To: trebb

He has stated he would overturn Obamacare = so he can replace it.

He thinks that Roe v Wade should be overturned = while still supporting PP through his wife and doing everything he can to keep it in place.

He not only is not “anti-homosexual,” he has proven that he wants to push their radical agenda. By the way, opponents on this issue are not anti-homosexual. That would imply hate, which is not there. They are pro-family and pro-USA.

On the surface, he made Mass. more pro-business. This appears true until you realize that his “lower taxes” were renamed as mandatory fees and fewer deductions.

I will not vote for that. If we accept that on the GOP “side”, then we get the same level of destruction as Obama and the quality of the candidates continues to slide. Aside from that, for me it is wrong to vote for such a man as this. I have looked long and hard for redeeming qualities to give me an excuse to vote for him, to no avail.

Allowing a second Obama term is not beneficial. However, neither is allowing a first Romney term. We, the voters, have painted ourselves into a corner. There is no “win” in this election.


283 posted on 08/05/2012 1:24:35 PM PDT by Ingtar ("As the light begins to fade in the city on the hill")
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To: DoughtyOne; Jim Robinson
“NO MORE RINO LEFTISTS! “

So, you're advocating

  1. Staying home -- with your thumb stuck where the sun never shines

    ...or...

  2. Staying home -- sucking your thumb and sulking.

or...

1 + 2 in order...

and guaranteeing that a muslim-loving, demonstrated COMMUNIST, illegal alien usurper, who has already bowed to tyrants, wrecked our military, and openly gives credit for entrepreneurs' successes to his Marxist ideal of all-powerful government -- WINS. And has four more years free reign with more unelected "czars", "My People" DOJ, and totalitarian "executive order" edicts.

You are a fool to expect a 2016 election if you do so. By 2016 under Obama, America will be a more Soviet dictatorship than Russia! There will be no 2016 election under Obama!!!!!

Wake up! Quit sulking because you aren't getting your way. GROW UP, get off your whiny @$$ and get out and WORK TO ELECT MORE TEA PARTY CONSERVATIVES TO THE HOUSE, SENATE, AND ALL STATE OFFICES.

FR used to be a CONSERVATIVE ACTISM site -- not a pouting babies' surrender party....

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Da*ned whiny kids... :-(

284 posted on 08/05/2012 1:44:50 PM PDT by TXnMA ("Allah": Satan's current alias...)
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To: TXnMA

Sounds like YOU are the one who’s surrendered. You’ve just thrown up your hands and said, “Walp, I guess a liberal RINO like Romney is the best we can expect. Oh, well!”


285 posted on 08/05/2012 1:54:32 PM PDT by dinodino
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To: HANG THE EXPENSE

” In the south we would run them out of town on a rail.”

Right...tell us the last time THAT happened anywhere in America.

That’s just fantasy-world talk. Like believing there’ll be anything left to resurrect after another 4 years of Obama. NOTHING will rise from the ashes after Obama’s 2nd term conflagration.


286 posted on 08/05/2012 2:06:58 PM PDT by moovova (Chic-fil-A is good...and right.)
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To: moovova

Pay attention chicken little.The south has all republican houses and senates because of the marxist in the whitehut.First time since reconstruction.More states up north will throw out his minions until they dont even have the dog catcher position anymore.


287 posted on 08/05/2012 2:17:39 PM PDT by HANG THE EXPENSE (Life's tough.It's tougher when you're stupid.)
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To: wardaddy

Too lazy to google, but I believe Mike Tomasky is a Ukranian/Italian mutt from coal country (West Virginny to be precise), and I don’t think his parents were reds.


288 posted on 08/05/2012 3:55:53 PM PDT by Clemenza ("History, I believe, furnishes no example of a priest-ridden people maintaining a free civil governm)
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To: HANG THE EXPENSE

I didn’t expect you to answer my question.

I was right.


289 posted on 08/05/2012 4:06:22 PM PDT by moovova (Chic-fil-A is good...and right.)
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To: dinodino; DoughtyOne
"Sounds like YOU are the one who’s surrendered. "

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OK, Mr, Political Genius, please announce your acceptable and viable conservative candidate for POTUS that we can all support for election.
~~~~~~~~~~~~~

My preferred candidate and her family were so mauled by the MSM (with no other conservatives coming to her defense) that she decided not to expose them further by running for POTUS. But she has been very successful in endorsing and supporting solid conservative Tea Party candidates -- and I have been working in precinct, county, and Texas wide campaigns for those and other Tea Party candidates.

Perhaps you noticed: We Tea Party conservatives kicked RINO butt in the July 31 Texas primaries. That is da*n sure NOT "surrender"!

So far, on FR, you and your fellow IGTMVAGH whiners have done nothing but that: whine and try to disrupt our discussions.

STOP OBAMA!!!

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Again: announce your acceptable and viable conservative candidate for POTUS that we can all support for election. - - - - Or STFU!
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290 posted on 08/05/2012 4:53:08 PM PDT by TXnMA ("Allah": Satan's current alias...)
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To: DoughtyOne

Thanks Doughty for your response, I know your are being inundated because your are advocating a really controversial position.. However, your plan is more a retrenchment, or an after-action priority wishlist.. A good one, that I don’t believe anyone on this board would argue with..

My concern is, why would this not work in the next election whether or not we win?? If we were to win, and as I see it today, is still a very long shot, given what the Comrades will do, legally or otherwise, to keep this regime in power.. I will be the first to join you in punishing any Pol that drops us into the liberal abyss again..

Something I haven’t told many of my FRiends here, I was a working Democrat until late Carter, actually working in the Capital in Austin as an official department head for a Dem Governor, and I can tell you stories what these bastards can/will do to cheat.. But I digress..

When I left the party, I did so with a vengeance, and became a major bundler for Reagan, Bush Sr (UGH), Bush Jr’s first term, and Speaker Gingrich (Contract With America)..

Sorry to say, I have been an interested observer for the past decade, however, I know my way around politics, from the inside, and I will work around the clock to demolish the next GOP turncoat that steps in our way, PROMISE!


291 posted on 08/05/2012 4:59:47 PM PDT by carlo3b (Less Government, more Fiber..)
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To: dinodino; DoughtyOne
Shocker From ABC's Jonathan Karl: 'Sarah Palin Is 4 for 4 on Her Senate Endorsements'

QWITCHERBELLYACHIN -- and get on board and help -- instead of whining...

292 posted on 08/05/2012 5:22:49 PM PDT by TXnMA ("Allah": Satan's current alias...)
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To: dinodino

Dang what is it w/ you guys. I didn’t say any of that.

You’re making stuff up too.

What I said was that it’s too late to get the candidate we want. Our nominee is decided. Go back and reread. Well you know what I said.

I asked for you to support our nominee to avoid 0bama’s supreme court appointments, obama’s unbounded spending, 0bama’s marxist executive orders, 0bama’s unilateral disarmament, etc. You can’t make anyone think our nominee would be as bad. No way in hell.

If you wanna change nominee, it’s too late. Did you get that? In spite of everything, the time for a different nominee has passed. If you want a better nominee, you have to take more action in the primary - whatever you did obviously was not sufficient last time [if you did anything but vote for 0bama.]

So unless you wany obama court picks, obama spending, obama marxism, get behind our nominee. Quit your moaning and whining. Grow up. You’re acting like a stupid teenager.


293 posted on 08/05/2012 5:48:43 PM PDT by Principled (Vote Romney to stop Obama. Vote for conservative Reps and Senators to stop Romney. [ZET 7/30/12])
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To: Innovative

“Did you give any thought to what happens if Obama is reelected?

Hint: Obamacare will be implemented, think of the SCOTUS, taxes, Constitution, free speech, not to mention the economy...”

Obamacare will be implemented by President Romney. There will be a half hearted effort to repeal it. The House will vote to repeal. If the Dems control the Senate the Senate will vote against repeal, case closed. If the Republicans control the Senate, Harry Reid and the Dems will filibuster so the repeal will not pass. Knowing this, Romney can support repeal while campaigning knowing repeal will never happen.

With respect to SCOTUS, Romney consistently appointed moderate to liberal judges when governor of Massachusetts. He will appoint a moderate to liberal judge. He will have no stomach for a confirmation fight with Harry Reid and the mainstream press.

Free speech. George W. Bush gave us the Patriot act and he was supposed to be a “compassionate conservative”. Romney is no conservative. He is a crony capitalist and will play the establishment game. Envision more regulation of the internet. Expect moderate to liberal appointees to federal oversight agencies such as the FCC and FEC.

Romney will not be as bad as Obama in the same way thyroid cancer isn’t as bad as pancreatic cancer. Regardless of which one you have you still have cancer.


294 posted on 08/05/2012 5:58:49 PM PDT by Soul of the South
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To: Innovative

“Did you give any thought to what happens if Obama is reelected?

Hint: Obamacare will be implemented, think of the SCOTUS, taxes, Constitution, free speech, not to mention the economy...”

Obamacare will be implemented by President Romney. There will be a half hearted effort to repeal it. The House will vote to repeal. If the Dems control the Senate the Senate will vote against repeal, case closed. If the Republicans control the Senate, Harry Reid and the Dems will filibuster so the repeal will not pass. Knowing this, Romney can support repeal while campaigning knowing repeal will never happen.

With respect to SCOTUS, Romney consistently appointed moderate to liberal judges when governor of Massachusetts. He will appoint a moderate to liberal judge. He will have no stomach for a confirmation fight with Harry Reid and the mainstream press.

Free speech. George W. Bush gave us the Patriot act and he was supposed to be a “compassionate conservative”. Romney is no conservative. He is a crony capitalist and will play the establishment game. Envision more regulation of the internet. Expect moderate to liberal appointees to federal oversight agencies such as the FCC and FEC.

Romney will not be as bad as Obama in the same way thyroid cancer isn’t as bad as pancreatic cancer. Regardless of which one you have you still have cancer.


295 posted on 08/05/2012 5:58:58 PM PDT by Soul of the South
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To: dinodino
You say that Romney’s critics should have worked harder to get “their” candidate in the primaries.

No, I didn't. You either made that up or posted to the wrong person.

296 posted on 08/05/2012 7:07:23 PM PDT by Principled (Vote Romney to stop Obama. Vote for conservative Reps and Senators to stop Romney. [ZET 7/30/12])
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To: Clemenza

glad u came back!


297 posted on 08/05/2012 8:10:35 PM PDT by wardaddy (this white hair don't cover up my redneck......)
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To: Principled

Sure you did! You just said it again in post 293. You accuse Romney critics, myself included, of not doing enough to support more conservative candidates; yet, you exclude yourself, while simultaneously claiming to be a conservative.

Why is it that whatever YOU did was good enough, even though we now have a garbage candidate like Romney?


298 posted on 08/05/2012 10:55:31 PM PDT by dinodino
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To: Soul of the South

Well put, Soul of the South. It seems like a bunch of the other frogs in this pot with us either don’t see that Romney will just turn the heat down a little, or simply think that that’s good enough.

I want out of the pot, and so do plentyt of other frogs.


299 posted on 08/05/2012 10:58:14 PM PDT by dinodino
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To: HANG THE EXPENSE

Do you know what is stupid? Not reading thoroughly, and recognizing quotes.

Yes...I’m looking at you.


300 posted on 08/05/2012 11:18:14 PM PDT by dixiechick2000 (This hobbit is looking for her pitchfork...God help the GOP if I find it.)
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