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Woman wants answers after sheriff's deputy shot, killed her dog
http://www.koco.com ^ | 8:00 AM CDT Aug 03, 2012 | KOCO.com

Posted on 08/05/2012 6:25:11 PM PDT by FunkyZero

CLEVELAND COUNTY, Okla.

A Cleveland County woman says she called a sheriff's deputy for help, but when he arrived at her home, he shot and killed her dog without provocation.

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TOPICS: Government; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: animals; copshootsdog; deputy; dog; donutwatch; leo; shot; sourcetitlenoturl; warondogs
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To: ExGeeEye
"It would be nice if there was some way to tell which kind you got when he arrives— size and shape of the badge, maybe."

Sometimes yinz can just tell.........


51 posted on 08/05/2012 9:28:04 PM PDT by Emperor Palpatine (Tosca, mi fai dimenticare Iddio!!!!!)
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To: Tunehead54

And it will be a closed-casket service. The round count from the donut-munchers will be be in the triple digits.

The investigation will cover-up the fact that they didn’t have a warrant.


52 posted on 08/05/2012 9:34:42 PM PDT by NVDave
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To: OldGoatCPO
Cops are on edge when they answer a domestic dispute. Put the dog away when you know they are coming. And you know they are coming because you called them

Also don't take up with violent boyfriends who inspire 911 calls when you have children and pets in the home.

53 posted on 08/05/2012 9:43:27 PM PDT by CaptainK (...please make it stop. Shake a can of pennies at it.)
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To: Lurker

Family pet? Maybe you ought to send that hundred to Zimmerman. He shot a family pet.


54 posted on 08/05/2012 9:53:19 PM PDT by meatloaf (Support Senate S 1863 & House Bill 1380 to eliminate oil slavery.)
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To: FunkyZero
The sheriff felt ‘threatened’ it probably wagged it's tail.
55 posted on 08/05/2012 10:14:14 PM PDT by fortheDeclaration (Pr 14:34 Righteousness exalteth a nation:but sin is a reproach to any people)
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To: FunkyZero
Yep, that is a bloodthirsty cur. A real Hound of the Baskervilles, if you ask me. Here he is shown along with several other bloodthirsty canines so vicious, you can still see their direct relation to their lycanthrope ancestors. Can you blame the cops for defending themselves against such hounds of unspeakable terror?


56 posted on 08/05/2012 11:52:00 PM PDT by Freedom_Is_Not_Free (REPEAL OBAMACARE. Nothing else matters.)
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To: tflabo

When the “good” cops tolerate the bad cops, there are no good cops.


57 posted on 08/06/2012 12:27:18 AM PDT by UnwashedPeasant (Don't nuke me, bro)
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To: South40

Ahhh,
Colt .32,
This is just one of my guns I use and it is nearly invisable in your pocket.


58 posted on 08/06/2012 2:42:47 AM PDT by Joe Boucher ((FUBO) Hey Mitt, F-you too pal)
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To: NVDave

Since when did you expect State power to be benevolent?

Sarcasm aside, we assuredly have the government we deserve. But look on the bright side. We’re proactively protected from hate chicken and rogue slurpees.


59 posted on 08/06/2012 5:05:35 AM PDT by Robert Teesdale
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To: Drill Thrawl

I have to say that it’s always disturbing to hear the incendiary vocabulary of the radical left used on a conservative site.


60 posted on 08/06/2012 5:16:49 AM PDT by brytlea (An ounce of chocolate is worth a pound of cure)
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To: the OlLine Rebel

Like virtually all of these stories, very short on details and told from the position of making the public angry at the cops. It may well be that he’s an idiot who shot the dog for no reason. OR it could be that something happened (ACDs can be quite sharp and snappy, and especially one with puppies and lots of scary things going on in her house, I imagine the domestic disturbance was “disturbing” to her also).
And of course the owner is distraught, regardless of exactly what happened and her story is going to be, “the cop shot my dog for no reason and needs to pay/be fired/killed/sent to hell on the express train”. That’s natural.
Personally I would always like all of the information before passing judgement.
But I agree with your first sentence. And your last one.


61 posted on 08/06/2012 5:28:38 AM PDT by brytlea (An ounce of chocolate is worth a pound of cure)
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To: NVDave

Very well said.


62 posted on 08/06/2012 6:35:07 AM PDT by gruffwolf
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To: tflabo

The 98% of bad cops give the other 2% a bad name.


63 posted on 08/06/2012 8:42:48 AM PDT by coloradan (The US has become a banana republic, except without the bananas - or the republic.)
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To: tflabo

“Well let’s not brand and lump all police officers into the hated dog killers column. Some police are excellent people and others are scum of the earth.”

Yeah, so when you call them, how do you discern the “excellent” ones from the “scum?” In large measure, they are union thugs who have been given guns and they have an attitude that no matter what, they are going to “go home!” We have had two calls to 911 for medical problems that we subsequently cancelled. In each instance, the cops showed up and refused to leave. Eff them all. They are not good people and cannot be trusted with your safety!


64 posted on 08/06/2012 8:43:58 AM PDT by vette6387
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To: umgud

Dogs are shot in bathrooms, in owner’s bedrooms or other rooms in the house.

“Put your dogs up” assumes that the LEO will give you the benefit of the doubt if it learns that your dog is contained in your bathroom/laundry room/bedroom, etc, and not shoot it upon opening the door.


65 posted on 08/06/2012 12:37:05 PM PDT by Altariel ("Curse your sudden but inevitable betrayal!")
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To: CaptainK

She was not “forced” to call 911 unless someone at that residence was holding a gun to her head at the time.

I doubt that was the case.

I would say that she ought to be personally armed to defend herself against said boyfriend (and dump the jerk).


66 posted on 08/06/2012 12:42:24 PM PDT by Altariel ("Curse your sudden but inevitable betrayal!")
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To: CaptainK

Of course, Captian it’s never the fault of an officer who shoots first and asks questions later. It’s the fault of the victim that the criminal assaulted them, not the fault of the criminal.

We get it; it bothers you that we don’t worship the police.


67 posted on 08/06/2012 12:46:22 PM PDT by Altariel ("Curse your sudden but inevitable betrayal!")
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To: brytlea

There is no logical reason for him to shoot the dog before giving her opportunity to put the dog in another room.

Since he did so, his version of the story has less credence than hers.

How is it that her mailman, utility repairmen, meter readers and the like all managed to perform their duties without shooting her dog, hmm?


68 posted on 08/06/2012 12:49:46 PM PDT by Altariel ("Curse your sudden but inevitable betrayal!")
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To: Altariel

I have no details on what occurred. I know only what the woman involved said. I simply don’t know what happened. As to your last sentence, it has nothing to do with this. I have not said the cops actions were correct. I have said that we don’t know what happened. That is all. Unless you have access to more info that’s what I have to go with.


69 posted on 08/06/2012 1:06:29 PM PDT by brytlea (An ounce of chocolate is worth a pound of cure)
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To: brytlea

Of course we have indpeendent verification of some of the details.

We know there is a dead dog.

We know who shot the dog.

We know the individual belongs to an occupation which has, in recent years, been documented shooting and killing numerous dogs.

In light of these facts, the more reliable witness, of the two, in this situation, is the non-police officer.


70 posted on 08/06/2012 1:19:36 PM PDT by Altariel ("Curse your sudden but inevitable betrayal!")
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To: Altariel

I have said I wasn’t there and so I don’t know. As far as I know you weren’t there, but you do know. You are determined to be right. I’m done discussing this with you.


71 posted on 08/06/2012 1:25:57 PM PDT by brytlea (An ounce of chocolate is worth a pound of cure)
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To: barbarianbabs

Very, very few of us know WTF “SCE” is.


72 posted on 08/06/2012 1:39:06 PM PDT by Cyber Liberty (Obama considers the Third World morally superior to the United States.)
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To: Altariel

I don’t worship cops. Not by a long shot. I also don’t worship abusive boyfriends or have them living in my house along with my kids my mother and my pets. That way I don’t have to entertain trigger happy cops in my house and put my loved ones in harms way.


73 posted on 08/06/2012 1:50:15 PM PDT by CaptainK (...please make it stop. Shake a can of pennies at it.)
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To: FunkyZero

Arm yourself and prepare to take care of yourself.


74 posted on 08/06/2012 1:57:56 PM PDT by SaraJohnson
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To: NVDave

What has “gone wrong” is that DHS has named Americans as domestic terrorists and declared “war on terror.”

Police have been placed into a mentality of military occupiers. The population being invaded has no rights. The occupiers are into indimidation for total control of the enmey.


75 posted on 08/06/2012 2:06:07 PM PDT by SaraJohnson
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To: CaptainK

Yet, you’re still blaming the victim, not the officer who shot the dog, for the death of her dog.


76 posted on 08/06/2012 2:18:06 PM PDT by Altariel ("Curse your sudden but inevitable betrayal!")
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To: brytlea

Yes, what happened is known.

The officer shot and killed the dog.

I daresay the “official story” of the officer will differ from the story of the law-abiding citizen.

The party whom did not shoot and kill the dog is therefore more reliable than the party who did shoot and kill the dog as to the circumstances surrounding the killing of said dog.


77 posted on 08/06/2012 2:24:25 PM PDT by Altariel ("Curse your sudden but inevitable betrayal!")
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To: Altariel
As a mother I blame the stupidity of women who bring violent men into the lives of their families and then want the authorities to bail them out their stupid choices. It's not like a burglar broke into her house.

I'm not letting her off scott free though you may choose to do so.

78 posted on 08/06/2012 5:21:56 PM PDT by CaptainK (...please make it stop. Shake a can of pennies at it.)
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To: brytlea

As ever, the soul of reason. No hot-head, you. :-)


79 posted on 08/06/2012 7:29:08 PM PDT by the OlLine Rebel (Common sense is an uncommon virtue./Technological progress cannot be legislated.)
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To: the OlLine Rebel

One of the most frustrating things about these stories is we rarely hear the rest of the story. The press is in the business of stirring things up and people are more than willing to be stirred up. And I agree that the police (like all groups, btw) will close ranks and protect each other. And people do damn fool things sometimes. And every one of us would be very angry if our dog was shot, even if we did something stupid that led to it or if the dog was menacing someone (or appeared to be).
I always feel sorry for the dog. And I sometimes feel sorry for the people. ;)


80 posted on 08/06/2012 7:46:30 PM PDT by brytlea (An ounce of chocolate is worth a pound of cure)
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To: CaptainK

I find it most unfortunate that you refuse to condemn the police officer for entering a bad situation and choosing to make it worse by shooting the dog.

I remind you of Obama’s goal: “We’ve got to have a civilian national security force that’s just as powerful, just as strong, just as well-funded [as the military].”

What has happened during his administration? Police departments have increasingly received federal funds, making them hunger for *more* federal funding.

Declaring the need for an American Gestapo + Funding a future Gestapo = Americans should not be surprised when the police view them, and not The State, as The Enemy.

How do you threaten a citizen? Shoot his dog today, knowing the implication is that you will shoot him with no more compunction another day.

Consider that, before you come back and blame the victim.


81 posted on 08/06/2012 9:14:03 PM PDT by Altariel ("Curse your sudden but inevitable betrayal!")
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To: Altariel

I said the cops were trigger happy. That’s not enough for you?
The rest of you post veered off Non Sequitur Ave.


82 posted on 08/06/2012 9:38:39 PM PDT by CaptainK (...please make it stop. Shake a can of pennies at it.)
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To: CaptainK

The rest of my post observed a very plausible reason for this current trend of dog-shooting by police officers.

Twenty years ago, I can’t recall hearing about one such shooting.

Only in the past couple of years has this phenomenon exploded. That’s a serious trend and a serious problem requiring major addressing.

And no, blaming the victim won’t make that trend go away. One of the most heinous ways some abusers keep abused women with them is convincing them that they-—the victim—will be despised and looked down upon by others in society; that others will tear down the victim.

With such twisted arguments, the abused woman increasingly viewers her abuser as the “safest” person in a dangerous world.

Sorry, this woman had no way of knowing the officer would shoot her dog. And given other cases in the past, even if she had put her dog in a bathroom or other room, it still may have been shot. It has happened before:

Police shoot, kill grandmother’s dog after raiding wrong house (13 year-old pug named “Wrinkles”)

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2541284/posts

“An officer entered the bathroom over the 62-year-old woman’s protests and shot the dog, named Wrinkles. As many as eight shots may have been fired, Robinson said.”

So long as we pretend that the problem was what the victim did *not* do rather than what the assailant *did* do, these killings will continue.


83 posted on 08/06/2012 10:19:48 PM PDT by Altariel ("Curse your sudden but inevitable betrayal!")
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To: SaraJohnson

This kind of thing started before the DHS was formed. Blame the drug war for blazing the trail.


84 posted on 08/06/2012 10:22:52 PM PDT by Ken H
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To: the OlLine Rebel

And what happens when the officer opens the door to the room where she’s keeping the dog and shoots it?

It’s happened before. ( http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2541284/posts )

The proper impetus is on an officer to *not* shoot a dog needlessly or unlawfully, not on the law-abiding private citizen to try to think of places to *hide* his/her dog and pray that law enforcement won’t shoot it anyway.

The latter expectation trains the citizen to fear the reaction of a government employee.

The police should be frightened of angering the law-abiding private citizen, not the other way around.


85 posted on 08/06/2012 10:27:15 PM PDT by Altariel ("Curse your sudden but inevitable betrayal!")
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To: Altariel

Put your dog away when the cops come. It’s not rocket science.


86 posted on 08/07/2012 6:15:44 AM PDT by CaptainK (...please make it stop. Shake a can of pennies at it.)
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To: Altariel

I’m going to paraphrase CaptainK shortly above.

I said,

“Sounds like an overreaction to me.....it does sound like the cop flipped and went trigger-happy.”

That’s not enough for you?


87 posted on 08/07/2012 7:07:46 AM PDT by the OlLine Rebel (Common sense is an uncommon virtue./Technological progress cannot be legislated.)
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To: Altariel

“Twenty years ago, I can’t recall hearing about one such shooting.”

Good God. 20 years ago, there was no Internet (in practicality). You didn’t get fed this stuff from all over the country constantly - local stories like that wouldn’t make national news. You THINK it’s more prevalent, but you have no proof - go do statistics on dog-shootings then and now. I have little doubt it’s mostly PERCEPTION because you have more information sources flooding you.


88 posted on 08/07/2012 7:12:26 AM PDT by the OlLine Rebel (Common sense is an uncommon virtue./Technological progress cannot be legislated.)
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To: Lurker
I can’t wait for the day when Mr Honest Citizen kills a cop for shooting a family pet. I’ll throw the first hundred bucks into the defense fund.

Same here.
89 posted on 08/07/2012 7:25:37 AM PDT by ZX12R (FUBO GTFO 2012 !)
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To: CaptainK

I’ll reiterate what I said in post 48.


90 posted on 08/07/2012 9:01:08 AM PDT by Lurker (Violence is rarely the answer. But when it is it is the only answer.)
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To: Lurker

Mr Honest Citizen most likely will never call the cops for a domestic dispute and leave Rover unleashed when strangers come a knocking.


91 posted on 08/07/2012 9:09:10 AM PDT by CaptainK (...please make it stop. Shake a can of pennies at it.)
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To: CaptainK

There have been dozens of stories posted here about cops who’ve shot family pets while on or near property they hadn’t been called to. Recently one Mr Citizen killed the cop who went into his backyard uninvited and without any lawful authority to shoot his dog.

Yep, I cheered.

You folks need to learn that you work for us. If that means a few of you catch bullets or get sued into bankruptcy, so be it. I’ve had it with the Thin Blue Line and Law Enforcement mentality.

Smart and honest cops would realize that.


92 posted on 08/07/2012 9:31:04 AM PDT by Lurker (Violence is rarely the answer. But when it is it is the only answer.)
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To: ZX12R
I can’t wait for the day when Mr Honest Citizen kills a cop for shooting a family pet. I’ll throw the first hundred bucks into the defense fund.

That's how Ruby Ridge started.

93 posted on 08/07/2012 11:57:03 AM PDT by Forgotten Amendments (Face it. The definitive Republican politician isn't Reagan. It's the Mayor from JAWS.)
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To: Lurker

I was only responding to this story where the woman called the cops regarding a domestic dispute and failed to lock up her dog.

I’ll have a different response for a story where a cop shows up at the house of an unsuspecting citizen and shots their dog.


94 posted on 08/07/2012 4:27:12 PM PDT by CaptainK (...please make it stop. Shake a can of pennies at it.)
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To: CaptainK

There is no law that a law abiding citizen *must* lock up her dog simply because a government employee is in route.

The dog was on it’s property where it was supposed to be.

The criminal shot the dog because it chose to shoot the dog. As demonstrated, he would have shot the dog even in another bedroom because the *desire* to shoot the dog is still *present*.

The problem is the unlawful desire to shoot the dogs of law abiding citizens *NOT* the ‘failure’ of the citizen to fearfully anticipate what the thug will do.


95 posted on 08/07/2012 8:17:54 PM PDT by Altariel ("Curse your sudden but inevitable betrayal!")
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To: CaptainK

Don’t shoot the dog of a law-abiding citizen just because you have a government badge. It’s not rocket science.

It’s not the job of the law abiding citizen to live in fear of a government thug.

It’s the job of a government thug to question whether he REALLY WANTS to anger the private citizen.


96 posted on 08/07/2012 8:19:33 PM PDT by Altariel ("Curse your sudden but inevitable betrayal!")
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To: the OlLine Rebel

It’s not merely the lack of Internet accessibility. There’s been a fundamental change in the attitude of LEOs.

Comparing “dog shootings” to “unlawful, unwarranted shootings of housedogs by LEOs” is akin to comparing “fruit” with “Texas Grapefruit”.

You compare like with like, not broad category to specific parameters.

If you can demonstrate, factually, that unlawful, unwarranted dog shootings of housedogs by LEOs has NOT majorly jumped in the past 20 years, I will apologize on Free Republic and retract my statement.


97 posted on 08/07/2012 8:24:44 PM PDT by Altariel ("Curse your sudden but inevitable betrayal!")
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To: CaptainK

Not buying that excuse. Don’t know why you keep selling it in this thread.

There is no law that says one must have one’s dog shut up in another room for a police officer to enter a residence.

Period.

The problem is not the dog. The problem is the officer who thinks it is acceptable to shoot a housedog.


98 posted on 08/07/2012 8:33:31 PM PDT by Altariel ("Curse your sudden but inevitable betrayal!")
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To: Altariel

There is no law that says a cop called on a 911 call can’t shot an unconstrained dog if they fear the dog will attack them.


99 posted on 08/08/2012 1:27:07 PM PDT by CaptainK (...please make it stop. Shake a can of pennies at it.)
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To: CaptainK

A dog inside a home is lawfully contained.

A fear that one will be attacked is a fear, not an example of rationality. You are attempting to justify a government employee’s irrational behavior.

Why are you attempting to justify a government employee’s irrational behavior?


100 posted on 08/08/2012 1:42:49 PM PDT by Altariel ("Curse your sudden but inevitable betrayal!")
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