Skip to comments.Beijing tells US to 'shut up' over South China Sea tensions
Posted on 08/06/2012 2:09:41 AM PDT by Cincinatus' Wife
The Chinese Foreign Ministry's over the weekend condemned a U.S. State Department statement that said Washington was closely monitoring territorial disputes in the South China Sea, and that China's establishment of a military garrison for the area risks "further escalating tensions in the region".
The mosaic of rival territorial claims in the South China Sea has become Asia's worst potential military flashpoint.
Beijing has said its disputes with Vietnam, the Philippines and other southeast Asian claimants should be settled one-on-one, and it has bristled at U.S. backing for a multilateral approach to solving the overlapping claims.
"We are entirely entitled to shout at the United States, 'Shut up'. How can meddling by other countries be tolerated in matters that are within the scope of Chinese sovereignty?," said a commentary in the overseas edition of the People's Daily, an offshoot of the ruling Chinese Communist Party's top newspaper.
The main, domestic edition of the newspaper was equally harsh, and accused Washington of seeking to open up divisions between China and its Asian neighbours.
.....Last week, the People's Daily said China's "core interests" were at stake in its territorial claims across the South China Sea language that puts such claims on a similar footing with China's claims of indisputable sovereignty over Tibet and Xinjiang in its west....
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They are correct.
They own us.
We can’t tell them what to do.
They are our masters.
And we let them become our masters.
I agree, they are correct.
But I disagree they are our masters.
The United States has, for too long, acted like the policeman of the world.
In this instance the nations involved will have to settle their differences without our intervening.
Even after Obama weakened our economy and our military, even after Obama apologized for everything America has ever done and said our country is not special or exceptional, and even after Obama displayed appalling hostility toward friendly countries and weakness in dealing with unfriendly countries, China still doesn’t like us or respect us. How unexpected!
Or they “claim to” say they own us.
Unfortunately, that area of the world has tremendous strategic, national-security, and economic significance to the US, as an enormous amount of ship traffic passes through there on its way to the Straits of Malacca off Singapore. If China controls that whole region, they’ll have the world economy by the neck (more than they already do).
Obama has successfully “leveled the playing field” (or more) in almost every aspect and corner of U.S. economic and national security areas.
Our enemies endorse his re-election.
I wish it were so. We’re a debt junkie nation standing up to our dealer.
The politicians we all voted in to office put us in this position.
The Chinese are speaking to governments throughout the world and telling them that America is weak. The Chinese say the governments must choose between the United States and China. America has few allies left in the world and if Obama is reelected America will have none.
The Obama Administration is turning the greatest country in the history of the world into a weak, corrupt, bankrupt dictatorship.
Quite a departure from the usual.
Oriental cultures are stereotypically deferential, and the ChiComs were obfuscatory to boot.
To come right out this directly and authoritatively has quite a sobering subtext.
Barry has to play both side of the fence with this deal. he has to look like he has a backbone to the American public and he also has to let the Chicoms do whatever they want. We know who’s side he’s on.
“Unfortunately, that area of the world has tremendous strategic, national-security, and economic significance to the US,..”
We’ll have to find another way to Singapore, I guess!
OK, so I’m being flippant. But what part of we, the U.S.A. is bankrupt, do you not understand? It takes great wealth to project a global military presence. We no longer have that wealth.
And how much commercial shipping travels via U.S. merchantmen, anyway? Damn little, if I remember right.
It isn’t a matter of “if” China controls what is essentially it’s own front yard. They already do control that area. They’re the Big Dog in that part of the world. Australia should be worried, not us!
Americans are just having a difficult time realizing that we no longer are “The Big Dog”.
I think the Chinese are unhappy with having to deal with Hillary Clinton - they do not trust her, nor do they respect her.
If you owe me $10,000 then I have a problem.
If I owe you $1,000,000,000,000 then you have a problem.
Heads are spinning in China. WTF are the words of the day. They own us. How dare our State Department indulge in such language.
A look at a map of the contested areas makes the Chinese claims seem ludicrous.
Then again, actual geographic location may not matter in such things; like the Brits owning that little piece of real estate off the coast of Argentina (or Gibraltar)...;-)
China and Russia back Syria and Iran.
China and Russia (and Belarus and the Ukraine, etc) are investing in oil production, satellite technology and launch services, arms plants -- making "loans" and investments to Hugo Chavez, and other Marxist leaders in our hemisphere.
The president and his science and technology (most likely all of Obama's czars and agency heads) have stated it is better for the world when the U.S. isn't number one.
The president and his party are salivating over cutting our military defenses, slowing our energy production, crippling the middle class and small business, and putting as many Americans on the dole as they possibly can.
The president and his administration have encouraged violence on our borders, blocked voter ID, stripped the work rule from welfare reform, pandered on amnesty and stepped up surveillance on Americans.
Our allies are insulted and left hanging in the breeze.
China is hosted to a state dinner in the White House.
Putin is told defenses in Europe will be more flexible when he is reelected.
The president churns out EOs (with more on the way, including Internet control) to remove liberty, just like an emperor (Obama said how much he likes how China can get things done).
The Chinese representative should be asked if he speaks Japanese.
When he says “no,” we should say, “you’re welcome.”
Is there anything we can do about all this? One thing only. We must understand clearly that there will be lasting peace in East Asia when, and only when, China abandons her atavistic fantasies of imperial hegemony, withdraws her armies from the two million square miles of other people's territory they currently occupy, and gets herself a democratic government under a rule of law. Until that day comes, if it ever does, the danger of war will be a constant in relations between China and the world beyond the Wall, as recent events in the South China Sea have illustrated. Free nations, under the indispensable leadership of the United States, must in the meantime struggle to maintain peace, using the one, single, and only method that wretched humanity, in all its millennia of experience, has so far been able to devise for that purpose: Qui desiderat pacem, praeparet bellum.
Though it would seem we're being handed over to China on a silver platter.
obama gave them gm and all of their technology... and most of our military secrets too.
“Another Obama triumph in foreign policy! ;-)”
And they B&%ch-Slapped Hillary in the process...It’s a two-fer.
Just tell Wal-Mart and other big box stores to cancel their next 6 months orders for goods from red china and find them elsewhere. It just might get the ChiComs attention!
zer0 will just bend over, take it, and like it.
Bill Clinton - Missile targeting technology to China in exchange for helping him get re-elected in 1996. It worked.
Romney made strong foreign policy speeches in Israel and Poland. You should read them (or listen to them).
If nothing else, Romney loves America (and will support our excellence, economy and power projection) and will stand with our allies.
“China and Russia back Syria and Iran.”
Oy! They’ll be lucky to survive.
I used to work a desk for the Navy involved in Middle Eastern, Mediterranean, and North African intelligence. There is a reason that area comprising Syria, Iraq, Iran and Jordan, is known by historians as “The Graveyard of Empires”.
Syria has had the habit of playing both sides at the same time, and sometimes against one another. I can’t be more specific than that; it’s classified. Right now they’re caught between two crazed groups: the Sunni and the Shia. I expect the slaughter to be widespread and generalized with Christians and Jews suffering the most, as usual.
Iran is a tyranny, and the majority of folks living in that nation aren’t Persian. The Persian minority stays in power through terror and by using Arab mercenairies. The economy is in horrible shape and people in some areas are starving. Iran is ripe for revolt.
China and Russia are up to their necks in Muslim discontent at home in their own countries. If they’re lucky, they will get out of the ME without it all collapsing, taking them with it.
The U.S.A. is trillions of dollars in debt. This means we must change what we’ve been doing, change our way of thinking about the world, and soon.
Maintaining a deep water fleet is extremely expensive, and we must chose our main options carefully.
Worrying about a situation in the South China Sea when we live nearly on the other side of the world is a good example of America’s difficulty in recognizing its priorities.
We have become involved in a mis-matched relationship:
American involvement with China is not even. China owns too much of the factories. China owns too much of our industry.
Allowing this to occur has been a mistake. It is time to rectify that mistake.
As a long-time amateur China-watcher (and former Soviet-watcher), my contention is that the problem with China isn’t Communism - it’s the Chinese (much as the problem with the Soviet Union wasn’t Communism - it was Russians who viewed themselves as world conquerors). When Imperial Japan went on its world tour, its model was Imperial China during its moments of martial vigor. The Chinese put on a mask of amity during their period of weakness, but now that China has grown strong, that mask is slipping. I suspect that future historians will look back upon the Maoist era, when China closed itself off from the world, as a period of respite for China’s neighbors - a time for them to prepare for a revived China red in in tooth and claw. However, historians may also record China’s feckless neighbors (aka future prey) as having wasted the breathing space afforded them - all you have to do is look at their minuscule defense budgets. With the exception of Vietnam and India, China’s neighbors appear to have settled upon a common policy based on (1) Uncle Sam providing for their defense and (2) fighting China to the last dead American.
Absolutely. These are very heady days for America's enemies. They know they can make the strategic moves they've wanted for generations, with no appreciable push-back from the USSA. They've measured us up and are confident we're not much of a threat now.
They had better take a second look at their cards before placing any more bets. It's a whole new world.
This is the standard issue thing we get from China. The same thing happened after Wrong Way plowed into the EP-3 near the Hainan submarine pens. You may simply not have been paying attention at that time.
China only “owns” America, if we act as if they have control.
America should continue to speak out and get back to doing what we ought?
Any attempt by China to pull a financial string will only backfire on their current and future investments.
China wants no attention on their aggression.
I agree we are trillions of dollars in debt. Obviously. However I don’t think that defense spending is the reason. It is entitlements spending. Entitlements to people and to favored businesses. Both parties are guilty. Ethanol and crop subsidies weren’t strictly, or even mostly, democrat party ideas.
Entitlements spending has been growing on a linear scale for decades, which is troubling enough. However, under Dear Reader, it has gone on afterburners. We are past the tipping point where half the population doesn’t pay income taxes. We are fast approaching, and with another term for Dear Reader we will reach, the point where the majority of Americans don’t even work.
THAT will be death of us.
China is also is in trouble, their economy is slowing down.
That is precisely correct. Around this point in the 20th century, Federal expenditures were 6% of GDP, including 1% for defense. We are now spending 36% of GDP at the Federal level (including about 5% for defense). In other words, Federal non-defense expenditures have gone up from 5% to 31% in the past century.
If we zeroed out the defense budget, we'd still have a $700b a year budget deficit. The reason it's so huge is because Obama carried over what Bush expected to be one-time expenditures in 2008 in a vain attempt to boost GDP. In essence our budget deficit is caused by the moral equivalent of having people dig holes and fill them up again - paying unemployment benefits to people for years and expanding eligibility for welfare benefits.
Guess this is what happens when the American president forgets to bow to the Beging Primier. Or did he?
East Sea ping....
No. It is both.
We are in hock to China. We have exported a majority of what used to be our exports - now they are imports.
That is a huge change. Exports were income. Imports are a drain on our income. A huge drain on our income. Now we do not have any income, we only spend.
We are going the wrong way.
For concessions on Obama pulling out of our Polish Ballistic Missille Defense agreement....we get the Russians stating they will build a Naval Base in Cuba.
Now China tells us to STFU.
Obama is worse than Jimmy Carter.
...and just as an aside...sure Chinese girl swimmers of 16 can out-swim elite men swimmers in legs of an Olympic swim meet. Go F yourself China.
“Unfortunately, that area of the world has tremendous strategic, national-security, and economic significance to the US, as an enormous amount of ship traffic passes through there on its way to the Straits of Malacca off Singapore. If China controls that whole region, theyll have the world economy by the neck (more than they already do).”
Thanks for some common sense on American interests.
The isolationist wing of the GOP is more dangerous than Obama’s Red Commie State Dept.
“It isnt a matter of if China controls what is essentially its own front yard. They already do control that area. Theyre the Big Dog in that part of the world.”
Actually, China is just beginning to acquire a Navy that would give them status. The US is still the Big Dog in the Pacific and will be for the foreseeable future. We are a Pacific power and always will be as the Economic Expansion in that area, forces us to be.
“Australia should be worried, not us!”
Australia, along with the Brits are some of our strongest allies...we have Defense Treaties with them.
“Americans are just having a difficult time realizing that we no longer are The Big Dog.”
Well, until the Chinese can build and maintain 10 Carrier Task Forces, we will still be the Big Dog...and even then, we will have parity to defend the sea lanes against Chinese military coercion.
Hey Hey, Smart Power at work...
I always smile reading statements like yours.
We are no longer a Pacific Power, ‘cause we ain’t got no money!
What part of trillions of dollars in debt don’t you understand?
You are about 100 years to 150 years early on your prediction.
or maybe 10 years to early if Obama is reelected.
If you don’t think we are a Pacific power you aren’t keeping up with geopolitical realities and the balance of military power in Asia.
China can only defend itself and make an attempt to take Taiwan, which would likely fail... we would wipe out their Blue Water Navy if they ventured out from their coastline.
We also have the option of beginning to impose tariffs and other restrictions on Chinese imports that we can make here or get elsewhere.
They don't want multilateral talks because they know it will be the US plus everyone else against China.
.They would prefer to bully all their neighbors one on one.