Skip to comments.Sikh temple shooting suspect identified as Wade Michael Page; Motivation unclear
Posted on 08/06/2012 6:03:54 AM PDT by Zakeet
The suspect in a shooting that left six people dead at a Sikh temple in suburban Milwaukee on Sunday has been identified as Wade Michael Page, who served in the U.S. Army for about six years.
According to sources in the U.S. Army, Page enlisted in April 1992 and given a less-than-honorable discharge in October 1998. He served at Fort Bliss, Texas, in the psychological operations unit in 1994, and was last stationed at Fort Bragg, North Carolina, attached to the psychological operations unit. The details of his discharge were not immediately clear.
Wade was killed outside the temple in a shootout with police officers after the rampage that left terrified congregants hiding in closets and others texting friends outside for help.
Officials had previously described the suspect as a heavy-set, 40-year-old Caucasian with numerous tattoos.
Sources tell CBS News some unspecified evidence suggests race or ethnicity may have played a role in the violence, but no links to extremist groups have been confirmed.
Local police called the attack an act of domestic terrorism, but other sources tell CBS News correspondent Bob Orr it may be more accurate to refer to "an investigation into a possible hate crime."
Neither the local nor the federal sources provided further details or suggested a possible motive, including whether the suspect specifically targeted the Sikh temple.
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Am I the only one who thinks the timing of this...so close to the Aurora shootings...seems a little suspect? Maybe I need to make a tinfoil hat for real...
Words you will never read in a mainstream newspaper:
“The suspect may be a muslim extremist”
But they have no trouble saying the suspect “may be” a white supremicist.
Of course, the white supremicists won’t blow up your newsroom if you say the wrong thing.
I don’t think that is the same guy. That email address has several listings associated on Gun Trader and shows he lives in South Carolina, not Wisconsin. Example:
I also found someone by the same name on Facebook in South Carolina and he was much younger (graduated HS in 97)
It is such a common name, it isn’t good to jump onto any connection without proof.
So active duty Muslim shots up military base= NOT TERRORISM
Dishonorably discharged white guy shoots up Sikh Temple IMMEDIATELY = DOMESTIC TERRORISM
did I miss something?/sarc
He was a loser as the Army throws idiots like him out on a fast chapter 13 with a General discharge. I wish it were not so, but; it takes too much time to court martial the losers from drug addicts to you name it. These idiots take up a First Sergeant’s and Company CO’s time. The CO calls Div or CORP JAG. JAG advises. THE CG authorizes the admin out/discharge.
That isnt him. Found the email/screenname also being used on Huffington Post and it was used yesterday well after the shooting.
But, it has to be the same guy. There can’t possibly be more than one Wade M. Page in the united states — and certainly not who would write on the internet.
The WWW makes it easy for us to smear the good name of people around the world, from the comfort of our parent’s basement.
See 58 & 54
People are jumping on the name too quick even though it is a common name.
Oh come on now....Seriously you know what I meant. Sheesh. No benefit of the doubt on my statement. You 100 percent understand what I was saying.
There ARE no Sikhs in Middle East, for practical purposes.
2/3 live in India, with the largest communities outside India in UK, USA and Canada.
Sad, but most likely explanation is the idiot doesn't know how to tell one variety of raghead from another. Thought he was attacking those responsible for Islamist terrorism. To the extent he was thinking at all.
I hate Hippies
You left out the part about the active duty muslim screaming 'Alahu Ahkbar' while engaging in workplace violence.
I meant to say NBC and Brian Ross (it was a joke).
I meant to say ABC and Brian Ross (it was a joke).
Oh, OK. Sorry I didn’t catch that.
I bit the big one that time!
I saw that later. Sorry to go off on you, but after Brian Ross pointed the blame at the innocent guy, I’ve been sort of touchy about false accusations. Heck, it could be one of us under the MSM microscope.
Wrong. The man was discharged in 1998 most likely admin under- chapter 13 for a fast out. An unfit SOB who takes up his 1SGT’s and CPT’s time is finally gone, but; it is up to division or Corps CG’s as to a court martial or the faster admin discharge. I threw some 10 plus out on that damn chapter 13 in 73 and it was all because the CG was in a hurry to give the druggies a chance. Well, they are costing us today as a chapter 13 general discharge can be upgraded. Most go on to get VA bennies after upgrading the discharge.
>>>Sikhs believe in the principle of non-violence.
Yes, and they have history of taking revenge.
Strike 4: It’s been reported that he just broke up with his girlfriend; we know he’s straight.
While what you say seems to be precisely the case, doesn't it seem totally ridiculous ?
It's not that we don't know how a beard grows or why. And it's not that we don't know how to remove it. I'd say if you are in prison, razors are hard to come by.
The judge telling him he can't have a beard is just the oddest thing I have ever heard.
Am I missing out on some upside down world reason the court has ?
He is still receiving active duty pay. :scream: That is my guess as to why he can’t have a beard.
There is nothing about Army PSYOPS that requires a high GT score . Army General testing score is close to IQ.In fact a 138 GT score in 65-66 makes one qualified for MENSA. Not that many have 138’s-142’s and over.
In short you cannot equate army PSYOPS EM or officers with a degree in Neuro Science.
He will be clean-shaven for his verdict.
He will be shaved.
If you look at him, it makes way more sense to believe he’s a white supremist than a muslim extremist.
Well... they might stay in India but there are 25 million of them, and I bet they reconsider supporting some of the 'rebels' in neighboring countries. Saudi Arabia is only a boat ride away.
Maybe there are no Sikhs in the ME, but are there Muslims in Punjab ?
So... what will they threaten him with , death ?
Fox is reporting no such thing. That picture is of James Lovelock and it is from the UK Telegraph.
This is perfect. We put this guy and Hissan Nidal with pistols in the same locked phone booth. Whatever happens, we win.
Buzzfeed reporting this is him:
... seems to be part of the band “End Apathy” whose Myspace webpage is:
More pics of the ‘band’ at the link directly above too.
And if you are merely a pawn in a larger game, the less educated you are, the easier you are to provoke and control.
I thought so as FOX did not show a photo earlier this AM. The had that gal fill in who shows too much leg by wearing short dresses.
There are lots of Muslims in Punjab, which split more or less down the middle at Partition. It was the scene of some of the worst violence between the Muslim and Hindu/Sikh communities which killed up to 1M people. The Sikhs did most of the killing on the “Indian” side.
Sikhs have their own history of extremism, though not aimed at the West. Two of her own Sikh bodyguards gunned down Indira Gandhi, which would be kind of like the Secret Service killing the President.
Though admittedly they had extreme provocation, the rough equivalent of Obama ordering a Waco-style assault on the Salt Lake City Temple, which just might be expected to piss off Mormon Secret Service agents.
Well... at least the 'court' is focusing on the 'important things'.
Am I the only one who thinks the timing of this...so close to the Aurora shootings...seems a little suspect? Maybe I need to make a tinfoil hat for real...Stimulus generalization; take a walk, get some air, refresh and renew ...
Thank you for the very informative response.
Now, can you see why the CIA would want to instill ‘fear’ into the Sihks ?
That looks like a nazi flag in the background.
“2010 interview: Temple shooter said he started band to get results ‘in our sick society’”
A May 2010 interview Sikh Temple shooter Wade Page gave to promote his hard-core punk band End Apathy reveals a man who felt he was holding himself back when it came to accomplishing “positive results . . . in our sick society.”
The interview was conducted by “Rick 56” from End Apathy’s record label Label 56, which bills itself on its website as promoting “cultural change through music and activism.” In the interview, Page said he started the band in 2005 “to figure out what it would take to actually accomplish positive results in society and what is holding us back.”
If you don't turn down the heat, a pan of water will keep boiling.
Our 'leaders' have the knob turned up to full.
That was “workplace violence” and ...still pending trial.
“End Apathy” interview (in its entirety sans pics in case it disappears):
SUNDAY, MAY 23, 2010
End Apathy Interview 2010
This interview with End Apathy was conducted by Rick 56 in April of 2010 . Permission to reprint is granted as long as this statement with links to http://www.myspace.com/endapathyband, http://www.label56.com/ and http://uprisedirect.blogspot.com/are included. Mp3`s from End Apathy can be heard on the End Apathy my space as well as the Label 56 website
Good evening Wade, this interview is long overdue due to my own fault but with all the good stuff going on with your band now I don`t think the timing could be more perfect. I`d like to do this interview to let everyone know about End Apathy from the very beginning up until now. It was at least three years ago when I first got in touch with you after hearing your music on your my space page. Can you give the readers a quick background to End Apathy? More specifically- how long ago did you actually come up with the idea for End Apathy (and why you choose the name End Apathy) and start writing music for it?
End Apathy began in 2005 and the concept was based on trying to figure out what it would take to actually accomplish positive results in society and what is holding us back. A lot of what I realized at the time was that if we could figure out how to end peoples apathetic ways it would be the start towards moving forward. Of course after that it requires discipline, strict discipline to stay the course in our sick society. So, in a sense it was view of psychology and sociology. But I didn’t want to just point the finger at what other people should do, but also I was willing to point out some of my faults on how I was holding myself back. And that is how I wrote the song “Self Destruct”.
As you said End Apathy was entirely your own creation. What was your inspiration for wanting to do the band?
Yes, it was entirely my own idea. The inspiration was based on frustration that we have the potential to accomplish so much more as individuals and a society in whole.
The music you write is very clean sounding and to me has an oldschool 80`s California skate punk sound to it. Am I totally off base here? Lol. How would you describe your music and can you tell us why you choose to write in this style?
When I first started writing these songs I didn’t have a set plan on the style of sound, it just came together. I think it is mainly based on the mix of my influences and that is 80’s punk, metal, and Oi.
What kind of topics do you write about in your lyrics?
The topics vary from sociological issues, religion, and how the value of human life has been degraded by being submissive to tyranny and hypocrisy that we are subjugated to.
As mentioned you have been writing music for End Apathy over 5 years but until now it has been a solo project. I`m very happy you stayed persistent with it because I personally love the music style you create for the band. Your persistence has paid off as you now have a complete line up. Can you let everyone know what is going on with End Apathy now?
End Apathy as a band has taken a long time to develop, mainly because it was a one man project. But now there is a full line up with Brent on bass and Ozzie on drums - both from Definite Hate and 13 Knots. We have the luxury of living close to each other and are able to have practice often, as a result we are ready to record our first release which is a 7” split with Definite Hate, then another song that we’re contributing to the UPRISE compilation and our full length CD will come out after that.
I`m really glad that worked out for you. Just in this short time you have already done a live show playing with Definite Hate and you guys are all practicing together. How long do you think it will be before we will see End Apathy on stage live?
End Apathy will be playing at the Independent Artist Uprise fest, but we will also be playing at some local clubs here in North Carolina and possibly playing the midwest this fall.
You guys are also getting ready to do some recording for both bands. Label 56 will be releasing a split 7” this summer between End Apathy and Definite Hate. We are also planning to do your full length sometime early next year. Is there anything you want to let the readers know about these. What else do you guys have planned?
Even though End Apathy, Definite Hate, and 13 Knots share some of the same members each band has it’s own unique style and sound. Our main focus is the upcoming recording and playing shows.
Aside from your band I`d like the readers to know a bit about you. Not many people may be aware but you used to play with Youngland out in California before moving out to the east coast. How long have you yourself been involved in music and are there any other bands you have been involved with?
I had the opportunity to play bass with Youngland for 2 years back in 2001 - 2003 and during that time I filled in for various bands on guitar and bass including Celtic Warrior, Radikahl, Max Resist, Intimidation One, Aggressive Force, Blue Eyed Devils. I have been playing music since I was 13, off and on over the years.
Are you originally from out in California? How did you wind up moving from one side of the country to the complete other?
I am originally from Colorado and had always been independent, but back in 2000 I set out to get involved and wanted to basically start over. So, I sold everything I owned except for my motorcycle and what I could fit into a backpack and went on cross country trip visiting friends and attending festivals and shows. I went to the Hammerfest 2000 in Georgia, over to North Carolina, up to Ohio, down to West Virginia, and out to California and that’s when I joined Youngland.
What do you see as any differences between the east and west coast whether in the music scene or just lifestyle in general?
In some ways things are generally the same, but each area has it’s own unique style and traditions. Influenced by surroundings and events. The southeast is much more laid back and relaxed with more of a hillbilly attitude and that is reflected in the music. SoCal was more of a fast paced, tense environment and that definitely comes across in their music.
Well I`m glad you have made yourself a home out here and things are coming together for you. I hope to see End Apathy around and making music for years. The closing words are yours.
I want to say a big THANK YOU to everyone at Label 56 for believing in End Apathy and putting out our music!
Which is my second choice for an explanation. And may be the correct one. How hard will the MSM make it for us to be able to reasonably determine the truth about this incident?
If it is just that simple, they won't sell much laundry detergent. Would they lie to make more money ?