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Berlusconi Newspaper Says Italy, Europe Now Under 'Fourth Reich'
Worldcrunch ^ | August 3rd, 2012 - 11:08 | (Il Giornale)

Posted on 08/07/2012 10:14:09 PM PDT by Olog-hai

Italian daily newspaper Il Giornale chose a deeply provocative headline for Friday's front page: 'Quarto Reich'—Fourth Reich, to comment on Germany's refusal to give the European Central Bank more leeway.

Il Giornale is a right-wing newspaper owned by Silvio Berlusconi's brother Paolo. "Since yesterday, Italy is no longer in Europe; it is in the Fourth Reich," writes the newspaper's editor-in-chief, Alessandro Sallusti, who writes that Germany has won, but Italy, Europe and the euro have lost after European Central Bank chief Mario Draghi. …

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TOPICS: Business/Economy; Crime/Corruption; Foreign Affairs; Government
KEYWORDS: europeanunion; eussr; fourthreich; italy

1 posted on 08/07/2012 10:14:17 PM PDT by Olog-hai
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To: Olog-hai

He who pays the piper calls the tune.


2 posted on 08/07/2012 10:32:15 PM PDT by Pontiac (The welfare state must fail because it is contrary to human nature and diminishes the human spirit.)
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To: Olog-hai

You just can’t keep the Germans down.


3 posted on 08/07/2012 11:47:25 PM PDT by TheDon (The Democrat Party, the party of the KKK (tm))
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To: Olog-hai

Right, because Germany is invading her neighbors, exterminating Jews, and waging war for global domination once again. fourth reich. what a bunch of BS.


4 posted on 08/08/2012 12:32:37 AM PDT by RC one (this space intentionally left blank)
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To: Olog-hai

The best of Silvio Berlusconi

(warning he can be crude)

http://youtu.be/81vQje8bWmo

I’d even vote for him over what we have in the WH today


5 posted on 08/08/2012 12:39:28 AM PDT by tsowellfan
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To: RC one

Just about every post third reich government has been called the fourth reich. Just a talking point.


6 posted on 08/08/2012 12:44:17 AM PDT by Republican1795.
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To: Olog-hai

I can’t believe just how wussified the Germans are.

They are insulted by all sides because they loan money to these governments that ran their countries into the ground and couldn’t pay their bills.

The fact is that EU needs Germany more than Germany needs the EU and it could leave, restore its own sovereignty and survive while the countries around it wouldn’t survive 5 minutes without getting bailed out.

What are they going to do?

Sell their souls to China for to bail out their grotesque welfare states?


7 posted on 08/08/2012 12:47:59 AM PDT by radpolis (Liberals: You will never find a more wretched hive of scum and villainy)
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To: Olog-hai

This Berlusconi clown owes Western Kentucky University billions when he ripped off WKU’s Big Red and created his own mascot that looks the same and incorporated the image into Italian children’s programming.


8 posted on 08/08/2012 2:24:17 AM PDT by WKUHilltopper (And yet...we continue to tolerate this crap...)
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To: radpolis

I fear not the so called “Forth Reich” The present German unified Nation. I fear the coming Fifth Reich—what will replace it in the future. This government will not be so wimpish and hearken back to Germany’s glorious past.


9 posted on 08/08/2012 3:22:13 AM PDT by Forward the Light Brigade (Into the Jaws of H*ll)
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So not giving someone a bunch of free money they’re demanding is the same as suppressing or even subjugating them? That’s OWS logic.


10 posted on 08/08/2012 4:43:18 AM PDT by Moltke ("I am Dr. Sonderborg," he said, "and I don't want any nonsense.")
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To: WKUHilltopper

Is that the mascot that Berlusconi said is different because the Italian one has a moustache and wears clothing?


11 posted on 08/08/2012 4:48:48 AM PDT by tsowellfan
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To: tsowellfan

“Is that the mascot that Berlusconi said is different because the Italian one has a moustache and wears clothing?”

The one where he publicly admitted he got the idea from a college basketball team in Kentucky.

“There was this puppet called Big Red who was the mascot of an American basketball team. The team is Western Kentucky University,” Ricci is quoted as saying. “I’ve wrested him from a life of hardships and humiliations. He was a clown in Kentucky; he’s the biggest TV star here, in Italy … Big Red became Gabibbo.”
http://www.bgdailynews.com/news/italian-judge-rules-against-big-red/article_639f217b-ccdf-540e-8e87-fb613d5ae4e4.html


12 posted on 08/08/2012 5:24:51 AM PDT by WKUHilltopper (And yet...we continue to tolerate this crap...)
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To: Olog-hai
"Since yesterday, Italy is no longer in Europe; it is in the Fourth Reich,"

So...because you couldn't stop spending, it's the German's fault. Yeah, that's the ticket!


13 posted on 08/08/2012 5:45:18 AM PDT by Caipirabob (I say we take off and Newt the site from orbit. It's the only way to be sure...)
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To: radpolis

Germany has all of its own sovereignty. It’s the only country in the EU that does. What I don’t get is how people seem to think of Germany as being anything like the USA. They and the other EU elites that do everything they tell them created this fiscal crisis; they’ve got a “solution” up their sleeve. (Come on; the Bundestag is reviewing the budgets of countries that are supposedly themselves “sovereign”—if the USA were in their position, do you expect Congress to review other countries’ budgets?)


14 posted on 08/08/2012 6:37:13 AM PDT by Olog-hai
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To: Olog-hai

Ah, poor little EuroWhiners....apparently, the alleged “Fourth Reich” won’t continue to bailout their failure to reign in their budgets. I suppose Margret Thatcher was part of the Fourth Reich when she asserted: “The trouble with Socialism is that eventually you run out of other people’s money”? /s =.=


15 posted on 08/08/2012 7:56:45 AM PDT by cranked
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To: cranked

You have to pay more attention to what’s going on there. The price being asked for is total centralization of all governmental functions, reducing national parliaments to mere speaking galleries. Is imperial conquest by imposition of socialism justifiable?


16 posted on 08/08/2012 8:50:59 AM PDT by Olog-hai
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To: Moltke

What free money? The EU and IMF have given out loans, not grants.


17 posted on 08/08/2012 8:52:10 AM PDT by Olog-hai
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To: Caipirabob

Germany can’t stop spending either. What makes them different?

People do need to read the treaties that define the European Union.


18 posted on 08/08/2012 8:53:42 AM PDT by Olog-hai
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To: Republican1795.

Examples?


19 posted on 08/08/2012 8:54:58 AM PDT by Olog-hai
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To: Pontiac

And that justifies imperialism?


20 posted on 08/08/2012 8:56:03 AM PDT by Olog-hai
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To: radpolis

“The fact is that EU needs Germany more than Germany needs the EU and it could leave, restore its own sovereignty and survive while the countries around it wouldn’t survive 5 minutes without getting bailed out.”

Not true. Germany needs these EU nations depreciating the currency to meet their mercantilist goals.


21 posted on 08/08/2012 9:07:13 AM PDT by wolfman23601
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To: Olog-hai

LOL. “Loans” that could not be had at true market conditions (otherwise, what’s the whole point of these ECB “loans”?) = free money. “Loans” that will likely never be repaid = free money.

How about you loan me $50k at 1% and I promise to never pay you back? And if you don’t, well, I’ll call you a NAZI.


22 posted on 08/08/2012 11:41:21 AM PDT by Moltke ("I am Dr. Sonderborg," he said, "and I don't want any nonsense.")
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To: Republican1795.

“Just about every post third reich government has been called the fourth reich.”

And just about every thread on almost any subject will at some point mention Hitler. So tedious and shallow.


23 posted on 08/08/2012 11:59:07 AM PDT by Owl558 ("Those who remember George Satayana are doomed to repeat him")
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To: Olog-hai
And that justifies imperialism?

How is it imperialism for Germany to tell the Euro banks that they are not going to finance the bloated socialist policies of the rest of Europe anymore.

Repeated promises of fiscal tightening have been broken. It is long past time that Germany got tough.

And what would an Imperialist nation want with a bunch of countries with populations that would rather riot for free stuff from the government than work?

24 posted on 08/08/2012 3:34:25 PM PDT by Pontiac (The welfare state must fail because it is contrary to human nature and diminishes the human spirit.)
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To: Pontiac

How is it imperialism for Germany to tell the Euro banks that they are not going to finance the bloated socialist policies of the rest of Europe anymore
That is precisely what they've been telling Europe to do for decades, especially when it comes to their own socialism. And they haven't been financing anything; they've been giving out loans. Read the treaties and what they entail.

And what would an Imperialist nation want with a bunch of countries with populations that would rather riot for free stuff from the government than work?
Their strategic value. If they control them, then they become a big world power. The price for all the loans is their sovereignty.
25 posted on 08/08/2012 4:24:57 PM PDT by Olog-hai
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To: Olog-hai
And they haven't been financing anything; they've been giving out loans.

The loans are financing the socialist policies of Italy.

It’s not a loan if you don’t get paid back.

Italy hasn’t been paying the loans back they have just been going back for more.

The price for all the loans is their sovereignty.

Sounds like a lesson the US should take heed of doesn’t it.

26 posted on 08/08/2012 4:32:46 PM PDT by Pontiac (The welfare state must fail because it is contrary to human nature and diminishes the human spirit.)
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To: Pontiac

So now it indeed looks like you’re back to justifying imperialism. I told you what the price for the loans is; they’ve merely yet to pay it. That’s why Italy has people like Monti installed by the EU; he’s on board with the program of total centralization.

And as for the USA, they actually respect countries’ sovereignty instead of trying to take them over via economic arm-twisting and socialism. For better or worse, the USA’s forgiven a lot of foreign debt. Don’t expect the EU and those who run it to do the same, even when they yell at the USA to do so.


27 posted on 08/08/2012 4:38:11 PM PDT by Olog-hai
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To: Olog-hai
So now it indeed looks like you’re back to justifying imperialism.

No I am saying that the US is borrowing money to finance our socialist programs and that sooner rather than later a certain nation that we borrow from will be dictating terms to us.

28 posted on 08/08/2012 4:55:51 PM PDT by Pontiac (The welfare state must fail because it is contrary to human nature and diminishes the human spirit.)
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To: Olog-hai
Germany can’t stop spending either. What makes them different?

Nothing, I was just thinking however that it made them nearly perfect democrats.

Only imperfection being that they can't vote 8 or 9 times in a given election.

Give obama time on that one though.

29 posted on 08/08/2012 5:49:22 PM PDT by Caipirabob (I say we take off and Newt the site from orbit. It's the only way to be sure...)
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To: Pontiac

No disagreement there.


30 posted on 08/08/2012 7:43:45 PM PDT by Olog-hai
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