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Romney’s silence on Chick-fil-A may cause voters to ‘simply stay at home,’ Donohue warns
Life Site News ^ | Ben Johnson

Posted on 08/08/2012 5:35:12 AM PDT by IbJensen

LAS VEGAS, August 7, 2012, (LifeSiteNews.com) – Mitt Romney’s decision not to condemn mayors threatening to deny Chick-fil-A the right to do business was a missed opportunity and may cost him votes in November, a growing chorus of social conservatives warn.

Last Friday in Las Vegas, when a reporter asked the Republican presidential nominee about the controversy over Chick-fil-A and charges about a diplomat’s ties to the Muslim Brotherhood, he replied, “Those are not things that are part of my campaign.”

After company president Dan Cathy said he supported Biblical marriage, homosexual organizations called for a boycott, and several prominent Democratic mayors threatened to withhold permits for the Christian business to operate in their cities. The fast food chain broke sales records during the August 1 “Chick-fil-A Appreciation Day” called by former Arkansas Gov. Mike Huckabee.

Christian radio talk show host Bryan Fischer asked, “Well, governor, exactly what was not a part of your campaign? The part about natural marriage? The part about freedom of religion? The part about freedom of speech? The part about freedom of entrepreneurship? What? If you will not publicly stand for those values, what will you stand for?” These questions were echoed by talk show host Mark Levin.

“Social conservatives have to make up their mind whether they should just simply stay at home, or go out there and vote for Romney,” Bill Donohue, president of the Catholic League, said. “I’m astonished that he couldn’t even come to grips with the question. Leaving gays out of it, do we want the chief executives, the mayors of large cities trying to intimidate, using the power of government against private enterprises whose politics they disagree with? I think it’s a pretty simple issue.”

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Several conservative writers confessed to being flummoxed by Romney’s absence, calling it a “missed opportunity.”

“I don’t understand why Mitt Romney doesn’t just get his Secret Service detail and take his press corps down to a Chicken-fil-A and show solidarity with these people,” said columnist and former presidential candidate Pat Buchanan. “It’s instinct. Reagan would have walked right on down there naturally.”

To excite the party’s base, Richard Viguerie, a conservative activist for more than 50 years, has suggested the GOP invite Dan Cathy to address the Republican National Convention. “Republicans should oblige President Obama’s desire to make same-sex marriage a central issue in the November election, and campaign unequivocally as the party of the traditional values Dan Cathy stood for,” Viguerie wrote.

Even prominent members of the party’s neoconservative wing, which has little time for social issues and generally supports the homosexual lobby, encouraged Romney to stop at Chick-fil-A. “Didn’t happen,” wrote Bill Kristol.

Some supporters of same-sex “marriage” have defended the beleaguered chicken chain.

New York City Mayor Michael Bloomberg, a social liberal who considered running against Romney as an independent presidential candidate, said “it’s inappropriate for a city government or a state government or the federal government to look at somebody’s political views and decide whether or not they can live in the city or operate a business in the city or work for somebody in the city.”

Congressman Barney Frank, who recently “married” his boyfriend, agreed, “I don’t think government should discriminate against Chick-fil-A because of the views of the owner.”/

Even Antoine Dodson, the flamboyantly homosexual subject of a viral video, has said, “A lot of people from the gay community was [sic] actually telling me not to eat at Chick-fil-A and then you know, I started having these flashbacks, because I started believing like, the gay community — we have went [sic] from being bullied to becoming bullies,” he said. “And I don’t think that that is fair, because I’m like, aren’t we like in America? Like, we have freedom of speech.”

“I don’t think it’s American,” he said.


TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Government; News/Current Events; Politics/Elections
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To: Sola Veritas
-"Actually, he is right on the mark. Obama has the potential to destroy the country. Romney has the potential to destroy the country and conservatism."

That is utter incomprehensible thinking revolving around an obsession over one single person (Romney). To say that you consider Romney a worse risk than Obama is beyond all hope of reasoning and logic to even continue debating the point. Like Rush said, "you people are not on the same page as I am". May you find some comfort and happiness (in some way) come this November.

151 posted on 08/09/2012 6:40:01 AM PDT by LibFreeUSA
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To: LibFreeUSA
Nice! The country is ‘burning down’ from a Socialist arsonist and people are actually thinking of ‘staying home’ on account of a ‘Chick-Fil-A’ fight the RATs started.

Disinformation: How It Works

Here's a nice round up of Alinsky tactics that at least partly explains the demoralisers.

152 posted on 08/09/2012 6:50:06 AM PDT by Stentor
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To: mike_9958

I do not campaign for liberals, if you want to go ahead.


153 posted on 08/09/2012 7:25:16 AM PDT by roylene (Salvation the great Gift of Grace.)
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To: LibFreeUSA

I don’t need you to write my lines, thank heavens.

I’m not voting for Romney. You may vote for a pro-gay pro-abort liar who introduced socialized medicine in his state, and you may even call yourself a conservative while you do it, but you are a Romney supporter and you’d deserve what you’d get if he won.

If he does not win, obama will turn the nation to ashes. And if there should be a phoenix in those ashes, it’ll be no thanks to surrender monkeys who were willing to vote for Romney.

Accepting whatever the GOP serves you, is a lot like keeping a dead spouse in your home because you can’t bear to face reality and bury them. The conservative spirit has flown; it’s not in there; you’re propping up a stinking corpse. Time to let go.


154 posted on 08/09/2012 7:31:52 AM PDT by Lady Lucky ( 'Better than the worst' is not the same as 'good.')
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To: Stentor
-"Here's a nice round up of Alinsky tactics that at least partly explains the demoralisers. "

Excellent find. So true.

155 posted on 08/09/2012 7:34:22 AM PDT by LibFreeUSA
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To: Lady Lucky

Oh snap and so true.


156 posted on 08/09/2012 7:47:54 AM PDT by roylene (Salvation the great Gift of Grace.)
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To: sport
"This brings up the question as to why do the Elite Republican Party wish for four more years of omama and the answer is simple. They view this as an opportunity to destroy both the Conservative Movement and the TEA [Taxed Enough Already] Party movement, both of whom they despise. Should Romney somehow win, they will take it, but the plan is to give obama four more years and by then the GOP and Democrats will be just two flavors of the same brand: Socialism."

Unfortunately, that type of thinking is from those who hope to be shot last. Four more years of Obama and those members of the GOPe who plan to survive had better join the Obama central committee.

157 posted on 08/09/2012 7:49:36 AM PDT by Truth29
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To: Lady Lucky
-"If he does not win, obama will turn the nation to ashes. And if there should be a phoenix in those ashes,..."

It's a shame that you (and others) would be willing to sacrifice more angst for our country - even at the point of turning our "nation to ashes" solely for the fact that you can't come to terms with a candidate's change in his position towards the conservative position, and the 'hope' that there arises some unknown "phoenix" to ultimately save the day.

All I can say is that if everyone else on our side had your exact same way of thinking, it would most assuredly guarantee that our nation would turn into ashes!

158 posted on 08/09/2012 8:12:02 AM PDT by LibFreeUSA
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To: LibFreeUSA

You really think you can believe a politician? And a politician running for POTUS? And his name is Willard Mitt Romney?

The shame is on you. In the old days you’d have been shaved as a collaborator.


159 posted on 08/09/2012 8:26:32 AM PDT by Lady Lucky ( 'Better than the worst' is not the same as 'good.')
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To: Lady Lucky

With your ‘collaborator’ comment, you remind of the ‘political police’ currently residing in a country 90 miles from our shores!

Your “collaborator” comments only set to marginalize yourself from the majority of conservatives who want more to save their country from a scheming Socialist than worry about the “former” positions of an individual candidate.


160 posted on 08/09/2012 8:46:31 AM PDT by LibFreeUSA
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To: LibFreeUSA
When did Romney change?
Was it when he still praises his health care with free and $50 abortions?
Or when he supports the homosexual agenda?
Or maybe when he says he wants to tax the 1%ers more?
Or when he applauds big government?
Or when he bashes converatives and TP members?
Or maybe when he degrades Ronald Reagan?
Sorry when did this transformation take place?
161 posted on 08/09/2012 8:54:53 AM PDT by roylene (Salvation the great Gift of Grace.)
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To: mike_9958
Romer - you are a person squarely in the middle of the process, not willing to take a stand because your guy didn’t get picked.

ROTFLMAO!! So the way I am to 'participate' and 'take a stand' is to vote for the antithesis of everything I believe in? HAHAHAHAHAHA! Do you listen to yourself?

I will reiterate: I do not have a 'guy'. I never did have a guy, so your theory is without any basis. I am 'involved' down-ticket, and through the TEA Parties and Pro-Life movement. And I will vote for any Conservative on the presidential line, or any that can be validly written in. I will never vote for that POS that you are pimping (and, btw, I don't personally know anyone who will).

You are the type person Judge Roberts was talking about..... if you don’t choose wisely someone else will. And if you can’t work within the process you’re really not much good anyone and have marginalized yourself.

HAHAHAHA! 'Choosing wisely'... For that which destroys every conservative cause... You have to be joking. No one can believe this idiocy. Here's a clue, pal: If offered a choice between a sh*t burger and a puke sandwich, the ONLY logical, sensible, reasonable choice is to refuse both. And it is not me who is marginalized. It is Romney, and by extension, the GOP (and by further extension, YOU) that is marginalized. I am still working relentlessly for the things the GOP says they believe in - It is the GOP that isn't standing up for those things - and thereby marginalizing itself.

Lastly, as I said before the democrats will appreciate you not voting against their guy....

Then conversely, you should be appreciative that I am not 'voting against your guy' either. Your reasoning is obtuse. You cannot 'vote against' anyone. you only vote *for*. I will vote *for* anyone who can be seen to uphold Conservative, and particularly Judeo-Christian principles. That ain't your guy, by a LOOOONG shot.

And what is funny is that you know it. You are not demonstrating the accomplishments of your candidate, saying "See, you are not right about him: He did this, and this and that..." LOL!... BECAUSE you have *nothing* to defend him with! He's a piece of crap, and you know it.

162 posted on 08/09/2012 9:38:54 AM PDT by roamer_1 (Globalism is just socialism in a business suit.)
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To: LibFreeUSA; All

“That is utter incomprehensible thinking revolving around an obsession over one single person (Romney).”

Rush is wrong, as are you - that has been discussed on other threads when Rush showed how “out of touch” he is. However, you (and your ilk) have “utter incomprehensible thinking revolving around an obsession over one singe person (OBAMA).” No matter how unacceptable Romney is, you are so focussed on Obama that you would vote for Adolf Hitler if he were running against Obama.

You are so obsessed with Obama, that you cannot see that Romney is NOT an improvement and certainly NOT a conservative. IMO, your ilk will be the death of conservatism.


163 posted on 08/09/2012 9:54:05 AM PDT by Sola Veritas (Trying to speak truth - not always with the best grammar or spelling)
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To: Sola Veritas

And those of you who refuse to see how dangerous Obama is will be the death of our country.


164 posted on 08/09/2012 9:57:29 AM PDT by Crusher138 ("Then conquer we must, for our cause it is just")
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To: Loud Mime
a. The Constitution is the center of US Politics, not the right.

Quite incorrect: The far right Constitutional conservatives are the only ones who pay the Constitution due deference. That does not apply as well in my case, as I am a Reagan Conservative. While the Constitution is key to me too, I see things in the broader sense of upholding the principles of all Conservative factions.

b. It’s either Obama or Romney. Period.

So the 'liberal trap' is to vote for either a liberal or a liberal. As I said upthread, the only sensible thing to do is refuse both. The advancement of the principles I support is not accomplished by voting for either, and in fact, either one will predictably be deleterious to my cause... How the hell does voting for that which is abhorrent solve anything? Doesn't it just make that which is abhorrent seem popular and lend it credence it doesn't natively possess?

No FRiend, it is you that is blinded. If one continually settles for politicians, it is little wonder why there are no statesmen. If one continually votes in that which opposes us, it is little wonder that there is no opposition to that which we abhor.

Sooner or later you will have to draw a hard line that you simply will not cross. I would encourage you to contemplate where you think that is.

165 posted on 08/09/2012 9:58:07 AM PDT by roamer_1 (Globalism is just socialism in a business suit.)
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To: Crusher138; All

“And those of you who refuse to see how dangerous Obama is will be the death of our country.”

You fool. EVERYONE recognizes how dangerous Obama is to the country. However, your ilk are so OBTUSE, or NOT REALLY CONSERVATIVE, that you don’t recognize that Romney is NOT the solution to Obama. If you get him elected, YOU WILL HAVE SERIOUS BUYER’S REMORSE.

Also, I have more faith in the resilence of the United States than you have. I think the country can survive him...especially if he so burns the “liberal mindset” in the public view that folks won’t vote that way anymore for decades.

I will leave this with a quote for Jim Robinson:

“Well, I’m not staying home, but I’m not voting for no damned abortionist/homosexualist statist either. I will not cast a vote for the chief architect of ObamaCare (Mitt Romney)!! I’ll be voting straight conservative!!”


166 posted on 08/09/2012 10:44:22 AM PDT by Sola Veritas (Trying to speak truth - not always with the best grammar or spelling)
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To: Sola Veritas

I have no more time for you guys (and gals), that are so hell-bent on getting ginned-up on Romney that you all are incomprehensibly blinded to this country’s real enemy. You all are still hopelessly lost in the primary fight. Sad.

I respect those who never wanted Romney to be the nominee, and who will not vote for Romney because of deep beliefs, but I stop where there now continues to be a constant campaign to TRY TO DEFEAT Romney in November by continuing to raise old primary war battles.

You can continue to demoralize our side with your endless anti-Romney campaign (as the DUers are also doing) while we now engaged in trying to defeat the Socialists - but you are doing the work of the RATs. I will not be part of adding fuel to this psychotic campaign.


167 posted on 08/09/2012 10:54:42 AM PDT by LibFreeUSA
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To: LibFreeUSA

Collaborator: one who engages in “traitorous cooperation with the enemy”

Sort of hits a nerve, doesn’t it?

“Crouch down and lick the hand that feeds you; may your chains set lightly upon you, and may posterity forget that ye were our countrymen.” — Samuel Adams


168 posted on 08/09/2012 10:56:34 AM PDT by Lady Lucky ( 'Better than the worst' is not the same as 'good.')
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To: LibFreeUSA; All

“You can continue to demoralize our side with your endless anti-Romney campaign (as the DUers are also doing) while we now engaged in trying to defeat the Socialists - but you are doing the work of the RATs. I will not be part of adding fuel to this psychotic campaign.”

I consider persons like you that will sell out conservative values for the pragmatic purpose of eliminating Obama to be fools of the highest order. I know you are OBTUSE, but get this straight in your dense head. ROMNEY IS NOT BETTER THAN OBAMA. Each are equally bad in differing and similar ways. You are BEING LIBERAL to vote for Romney...you are SUPPORTING A LIBERAL AGENDA TO VOTE FOR ROMNEY. Romney is a liberal. Jim Robinson has pointed this out repeatedly. Get you head on straight.

I WILL NOT be a slave to the GOP Establishment that pushed this scum on us. I will NOT be a FOOL like your ilk.

Stop promoting left wing liberalism (in disguise) by trying to make the unacceptable Romney to appear acceptable. It is a fool’s errand.


169 posted on 08/09/2012 11:07:12 AM PDT by Sola Veritas (Trying to speak truth - not always with the best grammar or spelling)
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To: Lady Lucky; LibFreeUSA

“Crouch down and lick the hand that feeds you; may your chains set lightly upon you, and may posterity forget that ye were our countrymen.” — Samuel Adams

Well said. I am so sick of these Romneyphiles polluting Free Republic with nonsense that attempts to make the unaccepatble (Romney) appear acceptable. I am also sick of them being guided entirely by fear of Obama instead of being rational and recognizing the Romney is NOT a solution to Obama...and may be worse in many ways.


170 posted on 08/09/2012 11:12:10 AM PDT by Sola Veritas (Trying to speak truth - not always with the best grammar or spelling)
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To: Lady Lucky; LibFreeUSA

I directly quote Jim Robinson again:

“Well, I’m not staying home, but I’m not voting for no damned abortionist/homosexualist statist either. I will not cast a vote for the chief architect of ObamaCare (Mitt Romney)!! I’ll be voting straight conservative!!”


171 posted on 08/09/2012 11:15:45 AM PDT by Sola Veritas (Trying to speak truth - not always with the best grammar or spelling)
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To: roylene

“I do not campaign for liberals, if you want to go ahead.”

You don’t campaign against them either.... unless they are Republican.

mmmmm


172 posted on 08/09/2012 11:47:18 AM PDT by mike_9958
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To: IbJensen

Horseshit


173 posted on 08/09/2012 11:47:59 AM PDT by Gaffer
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To: mike_9958

I do not campaign for liberals which would eliminate the entire democrat party.
Why not do something to elect your liberal guy and stop focusing on me and who I vote for or don’t vote for


174 posted on 08/09/2012 11:56:46 AM PDT by roylene (Salvation the great Gift of Grace.)
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To: roamer_1

“Then conversely, you should be appreciative that I am not ‘voting against your guy’ either. “

I am appreciative you are not voting against the Republican running against Obama... not sure that was the point though.

But as I said over and over, the democrats will appreciate you not voting against Obama.

You could probably put that one on a DU profile or sell to a democratic campaign: “I won’t vote against Obama”

Just be honest.... and say you’re ok with Obama as your president because you will not vote against him.


175 posted on 08/09/2012 11:57:07 AM PDT by mike_9958
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To: Sola Veritas
“And those of you who refuse to see how dangerous Obama is will be the death of our country.”

You fool. EVERYONE recognizes how dangerous Obama is to the country. However, your ilk are so OBTUSE, or NOT REALLY CONSERVATIVE, that you don’t recognize that Romney is NOT the solution to Obama. If you get him elected, YOU WILL HAVE SERIOUS BUYER’S REMORSE.

Also, I have more faith in the resilence of the United States than you have. I think the country can survive him...especially if he so burns the “liberal mindset” in the public view that folks won’t vote that way anymore for decades.

I will leave this with a quote for Jim Robinson:

“Well, I’m not staying home, but I’m not voting for no damned abortionist/homosexualist statist either. I will not cast a vote for the chief architect of ObamaCare (Mitt Romney)!! I’ll be voting straight conservative!!”

You moron. This guy isn't Clinton. He isn't Gore. He isn't even Kerry. Obama wants to CHANGE AMERICA. He has already stated open contempt for our constitution and economic system. This isn't a socialist swing like they have gone through in Europe...this is more akin to Hugo Chavez, Fidel Castro or Lenin.

Don't say that it can't happen here, it absolutely can. With over half the people dependent on the government in one way or another, with the judicial branch ruling against the constitution, with half of Congress agreeing with him and the other half with no balls, it not only CAN happen here, IT IS ALREADY HAPPENING HERE!

176 posted on 08/09/2012 12:24:15 PM PDT by Crusher138 ("Then conquer we must, for our cause it is just")
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To: mike_9958
Just be honest.... and say you’re ok with Obama as your president because you will not vote against him.

As I said before: It is impossible to vote against anyone. There is not a "[ ] Yes [ ] No" along side each name on the ballot. Ergo, you are voting *FOR* a candidate. Obviously, your particular brand of 'conservatism' allows you to vote for abortion, homo marriage, gun control, and etc, as that is what you are undoubtedly supporting in voting for Romney.

I certainly do not want Obama to win... but I do not want Romney to win either. There is little difference between them, so why would I give a crap which one wins? All I can do is vote *FOR* those who lift up American Conservatism, and let God do the rest.

And such has always been the case. Conservatives vote their conscience. They vote for the principles they stand upon. The GOP has been crying in their beer as long as I have been alive because trying to herd Conservatives is like trying to herd cats. When the GOP stands upon Conservatism, then they win, because the Conservatives vote for them. No herding is necessary, and it is not effective.

177 posted on 08/09/2012 12:44:19 PM PDT by roamer_1 (Globalism is just socialism in a business suit.)
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To: roamer_1

I do not discount your point that we need the GOP to stand on Conservatism. But never though out history can that be done by working from the outside of the organization to effect change within.

Large organizations change slowly by consistently pushing them in the direction you want them to go. As more are convinced to join things do change, organizations have inertia, and compromise sucks, but that is how the system is designed. (or was before Obama decided to break the laws)

Obama is a criminal who was never qualified to be President. Romney may be perceived as a liberal but he is an accomplished businessman, politician and administrator, and not a criminal.

Votes count, non votes do not.


178 posted on 08/09/2012 2:45:55 PM PDT by mike_9958
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To: roamer_1

Do you really think you can reason or provide a logical argument to a person who’s basic belief system is that if you do not agree with them you are an Obama supporter or an extreme liberal.
They have only one reply - Obama and the democrats thank you.
Its like trying to have a discussion with jello, and asking it to stop squirming.


179 posted on 08/09/2012 5:24:17 PM PDT by roylene (Salvation the great Gift of Grace.)
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To: Crusher138; xzins; Lady Lucky; SoConPubbie; finney; little jeremiah; All

“Don’t say that it can’t happen here, it absolutely can. With over half the people dependent on the government in one way or another, with the judicial branch ruling against the constitution, with half of Congress agreeing with him and the other half with no balls, it not only CAN happen here, IT IS ALREADY HAPPENING HERE!”

You are just a coward...plain and simple, and ultimately have no faith the American public or in God to rectify the situation. I read the news just like you do and I’m fully aware of the situation. You are letting your fear cloud your judgement, or you are REALLY a Romney supporter pretending to be ABO (I can’t tell anymore). This IS NOT the end of the world. I remember well the “fear and dread” we were all in when Clinton took office. We survived it, and we will survive this. If we don’t, then it is God’s judgement. Sometimes it takes a kick in the pants by the Good Lord to get us to wake up. I include myself in that wake-up call. I’m certainly fallible.

However, I am 100% certain that God is not on Obama’s side. I’m also 100% certain that God would not approve of me voting for an abortionist/homophile/statist and Mormon Cultest - God is not on Romney’s side either. That is not negotiable to me. His record as a liberal already disqualified Romney for me, but his strong ties to Salt Lake City is a total deal breaker.

I see it this way. Asking me to pick Romney over Obama is like asking me to chose between Horse manure (Romney) or Pig Manure (Obama). It could, and is, argued here by the ABO crowd (i.e. you) that Horse manure isn’t as bad as Pig manure. However, it escapes them that either way you are getting manure! I WILL NOT settle for manure pushed on me by the GOP establisment. IF they cannot remedy the situation...Romney...and replace him with a full conservative (to include moral, national defense, & fiscal) then they don’t get my vote. I will not vote for him EVER. No matter how bad you “end of civilization as we know it” types keep spouting. I’m voting third party, barring some extreme event.

Romney is probably going to win the election because the economy is so bad. If he doesn’t, it just shows how innept the GOPe and the process that made him the candidate is. I won’t be a party to helping them screw up.

If the congress, as you say, is too anemic to counter Obama, they certainly we be more so against Romney and his real liberal/leftest nature will run amok. I won’t help that happen...EVER. I’m voting third party on the POTUS issue.


180 posted on 08/09/2012 7:15:17 PM PDT by Sola Veritas (Trying to speak truth - not always with the best grammar or spelling)
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To: Sola Veritas; Crusher138; P-Marlowe; Lady Lucky; SoConPubbie; finney; little jeremiah

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/religion/2916695/posts?page=1

See the above thread.

It is all God.


181 posted on 08/09/2012 7:27:21 PM PDT by xzins (Vote Goode Not Evil: The lesser of 2 evils is still evil!)
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To: Sola Veritas

Thanks for the ping, Sola Veritas. I will not be able to vote for Romney. A couple of weeks ago I was toying with the idea for a couple of days (after refusing to even consider the thought) just because 0kaka is a fiend in human form and means ruination and mass death and enslavement. But then when reading Romney wants sodomy practitioners in the BSA brought me back to my senses.

No way. I could never live with myself to vote for a him. He could easily be the Dem candidate. Easily.

I also have faith that whatever happens, whether it appears good or bad to human eyes, God is in control, and will bring about ultimate good from all this. All each of us tiny humans can do is cling to God and His truth and His merciful protection, and the results are up to Him, are in His hands. And even if I were to get killed - well, everyone has to to face death sooner or later, either on the battlefield, in prison, or lying in one’s own bed at home. At death, the only thing that matters is:

Was I faithful to You, Lord?

Nothing else matters.


182 posted on 08/09/2012 8:12:38 PM PDT by little jeremiah (Courage is not simply one of the virtues, but the form of every virtue at the testing point. CSLewis)
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To: mike_9958

But never though out history can that be done by working from the outside of the organization to effect change within.


Surely you jest.

So the American colonists just worked within the British system to achieve their goals. Gimme a break with such idiocy.


183 posted on 08/09/2012 8:16:42 PM PDT by little jeremiah (Courage is not simply one of the virtues, but the form of every virtue at the testing point. CSLewis)
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To: xzins; P-Marlowe; Lady Lucky; SoConPubbie; finney; little jeremiah

Amen to that Chaplain. God is entirely sovereign in all circumstances. Ultimately, when someone takes office, even the evil, it suits God’s purpose and will. God’s will in matters of His sovereignty are not always clear to us. Maybe by these horrid conditions we see ourselves in, and faced with no viable choice that could be within the “revealed” will of God as found in Scripture. (I.E. I think voting for Romney is covered by Galatians 1:6-9) then it may Him attempting to draw us to repentance. This country is in need of a “Great Awakening” like that which occured in the years before the American Revolution. God send us some Jonathan Edwards and George Whitfields.

Of course, God does not provide us with the opportunity to vote and to not exercise it. A favorite preacher of mine, is Charles Haddon Spurgeon who was a famous English Baptist. On March 22, 1857 he preached a sermon titled “Particular Election.” In that sermon he touched briefly on secular elections as follows:

“When Mr. Whitefield was once applied to use his influence at a general election, he returned answer to his lordship
who requested him that he knew very little about general elections but that if his lordship took his advice he would make his own particular “calling and election sure,” which was a very proper remark. I would not, however, say to any persons here present, despise the privilege which you have as citizens. Far be it from me to do it! When we become Christians, we do not leave off being Englishmen! When we become professors of religion, we do not cease to have the rights and privileges which citizenship has bestowed on us. Let us, whenever we shall have the opportunity of using the right of voting, use it as in the sight of Almighty God, knowing that for everything, we shall be brought into account and for that among the rest, seeing that we are entrusted with it. And let us remember that we are our own governors, to a great degree, and that if at the next election we should choose wrong governors, we shall have nobody to blame but ourselves,however wrongly they may afterwards act, unless we exercise all prudence and prayer to Almighty God to direct our hearts to a right choice in this matter. May God so help us and may the result be for His Glory, however unexpected that result may be to any of us!”


184 posted on 08/09/2012 8:21:12 PM PDT by Sola Veritas (Trying to speak truth - not always with the best grammar or spelling)
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To: little jeremiah

“Was I faithful to You, Lord? Nothing else matters.”

Thank you sister...as usual a timely and profound comment!


185 posted on 08/09/2012 8:40:08 PM PDT by Sola Veritas (Trying to speak truth - not always with the best grammar or spelling)
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To: mike_9958
But never though out history can that be done by working from the outside of the organization to effect change within.

The GOP can go sit on a stick.

Large organizations change slowly by consistently pushing them in the direction you want them to go. As more are convinced to join things do change, organizations have inertia, and compromise sucks, but that is how the system is designed.

Yeah, well... I heard that bullcrap for nearly 30 years. What have they done for Conservatives? Bupkis. I resigned my membership in the GOP in 2007, and I will not be back. I am not obligated to play their game, where Conservatives always wind up sucking eggs... No more. Ever. I vote Conservative, and pay no attention to party at all. And since 60% of Conservatives now reside off the GOP plantation, I bet there are plenty out there like me.

Obama is a criminal who was never qualified to be President.

So what? I ain't voting for Obummer anyway.

Romney may be perceived as a liberal but he is an accomplished businessman, politician and administrator, and not a criminal.

Romney is not 'perceived' to be a liberal. Romney IS a liberal. A corporate socialist and globalist... Just like his daddy before him. He is a declared enemy of Reaganism. He lies through his teeth and flip-flops more than a pair of Tevas. His Massachusetts record is an abomination, and the only thing holding his 'values' together is Brylcreme and Dentu-Grip. I wouldn't vote for the POS if he was the last chance on earth. Quit polishing the turd. It ain't gonna happen.

Votes count, non votes do not.

I am voting - providing there is a Conservative to vote for on my ballot (and there will be). I do NOT vote for socialists.

186 posted on 08/09/2012 9:06:50 PM PDT by roamer_1 (Globalism is just socialism in a business suit.)
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To: little jeremiah

oh for cryin out loud.... you are actually using the culture of over 200 years ago as a benchmark for your actions today ?

How did you turn on your computer ?


187 posted on 08/10/2012 5:53:19 AM PDT by mike_9958
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To: roamer_1

All I left to say... is that I’m glad you and your ilk are an insignificant minority. (even though I’m sure you think otherwise)

I think every vote against Obama counts - which is why I’m willing to try to talk, but you are way too gone, the libs did a good job on you.

“The GOP can go sit on a stick.”
“I heard that bullcrap for nearly 30 years”


188 posted on 08/10/2012 6:01:38 AM PDT by mike_9958
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To: mike_9958

Human nature hasn’t changed.

Except that general morality and character is worse.

I”m wondering if you are some kind of paid political entity.


189 posted on 08/10/2012 7:53:12 AM PDT by little jeremiah (Courage is not simply one of the virtues, but the form of every virtue at the testing point. CSLewis)
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To: Sola Veritas

Thank you for your kind words.

Life here is a testing ground, eternity is is the “real life”.


190 posted on 08/10/2012 7:55:41 AM PDT by little jeremiah (Courage is not simply one of the virtues, but the form of every virtue at the testing point. CSLewis)
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To: roylene
Do you really think you can reason or provide a logical argument to a person who’s basic belief system is that if you do not agree with them you are an Obama supporter or an extreme liberal.

What is most disturbing is that these folks are so willing to throw away the principles that make us what we are - They seem completely oblivious to the notion that Conservatism isn't a political 'chip' to play, but rather that it is a way of living. Asking me to throw away Conservative principles for ANY reason is a grievous error - an insult of a very high order. To DEMAND I sacrifice principle on the altar of political expediency is far beyond the pale.

That ANY Christian would vote for this man is beyond me. That the principle of LIFE (not to mention marriage) can be so utterly destroyed without a whimper is astounding to me. But then, WE know that principles cannot be destroyed... That some would so easily cast them off is merely indicative of their character. The principle itself remains unmoved. Forever TRUE.

It does go to show how low in esteem they hold such things, and one can pity them for it.

191 posted on 08/10/2012 8:26:16 AM PDT by roamer_1 (Globalism is just socialism in a business suit.)
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To: mike_9958
[...] I’m glad you and your ilk are an insignificant minority. (even though I’m sure you think otherwise)

ROTFLMAO!!! Yeah. I hear that from Republicans all the time. Funny part is that folks like you can forget so easily what happens when Conservatives DO turn out... When Conservatives exist in vast majorities in this nation, how is it that Republicans have such a hard time winning against the less than 30% of the country that claims liberalism? Why is it that 60% of Conservatives have left you?

I think every vote against Obama counts - which is why I’m willing to try to talk, but you are way too gone, the libs did a good job on you.

LOL! Riiiight.... You are here on a Conservative website hawking as liberal a candidate as the Republicans have ever offered up, and I'M the one the 'liberals have gotten to'... Can't you see how specious that comment is? YOU are the one telling me to throw aside every single conservative principle in order to vote for this guy, and yet you tell ME the liberals have gotten to me? It is a laugh-riot.

As I said up thread, I will wish upon you as well: Sooner or later you are gonna have to draw a hard line that you simply will not cross. I invite you to contemplate where that line is.

Have a nice day.

192 posted on 08/10/2012 9:31:11 AM PDT by roamer_1 (Globalism is just socialism in a business suit.)
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To: roamer_1
Brilliantly stated.

This is off topic (maybe). My mom (as all moms) would say clean your room. (whining of course happens)

Anyway, the first thing she would do is open the doors to our dressers, regardless of how clean the room appeared to be.

What she taught us was it didn't matter what people saw, it was the things people didn't see which showed our true character.

Her point was that if we could keep the drawers organized and clean it was like our being was of good character.

So there are some I talk/argue/whatever who appear to be fine people on the outside, yet I think "wonder what their dresser drawers look like".

Yep, you can tell whats in the laundry by the space that's open ;-)

193 posted on 08/10/2012 9:43:12 AM PDT by roylene (Salvation the great Gift of Grace.)
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To: roamer_1; roylene
What is most disturbing is that these folks are so willing to throw away the principles that make us what we are

Precisely correct.

194 posted on 08/10/2012 9:52:46 AM PDT by Godzilla (3/7/77)
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To: little jeremiah

“I”m wondering if you are some kind of paid political entity.”

I’m not an entity... but it sounds large and cool.

And I wish someone would pay me.

just a regular guy who wants has experienced too much government interference under this administration, and wants the economy to turn around in my lifetime.


195 posted on 08/10/2012 11:09:39 AM PDT by mike_9958
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To: roamer_1

Romer I’m glad I made you laugh.... the thread wasn’t a total waste..... it was pretty lively and you didn’t resort to name calling... thank you.

I hope someday your cause is plausible, but in my lifetime (based on history) I think the most that can be accomplished is a movement towards conservationism and its principles.

Hence the desire to rid ourselves of dems in office.

If the lib media can’t change our vote to dem then the next best defense they have is to push us so far right that we won’t vote against their guy.... you can see that alot.

Another thing you see alot are bloggers and talk show people fighting for an audience, and pandering to the right by becoming more extreme... it’s how they make money. They actually like dems in office - good for ratings.

Have a nice day as well.


196 posted on 08/10/2012 11:27:22 AM PDT by mike_9958
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To: mike_9958

Romney is different only in very small degree from 0kaka.

I want a revolt at the convention. The R establishment could not have found a more repulsive nominee than Romney.


197 posted on 08/10/2012 11:40:15 AM PDT by little jeremiah (Courage is not simply one of the virtues, but the form of every virtue at the testing point. CSLewis)
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To: mike_9958; little jeremiah

How do you word process with no thumbs or frontal lobe?


198 posted on 08/10/2012 12:13:53 PM PDT by roylene (Salvation the great Gift of Grace.)
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To: roylene; mike_9958

He has a “funny” posting history.

I want a REVOLT at the convention.

If they forcefeed Romney down our gullets, and on top of it if he chooses a RINO (most probably will), he’ll lose.

Why does the (deleted bad word) GOP want to lose all the time? I hate and loathe and abhor the R establishment more than I hate and loathe and abhor Dems. If the ones supposed to be on “our” side are traitors, what recourse do we have?


199 posted on 08/10/2012 2:16:03 PM PDT by little jeremiah (Courage is not simply one of the virtues, but the form of every virtue at the testing point. CSLewis)
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