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EDITORIAL: The Civil War of 2016: U.S. military officers are told to plan to fight Americans
The Washington Times ^ | August 8, 2012 | Editorial

Posted on 08/08/2012 4:50:24 PM PDT by EveningStar

Imagine Tea Party extremists seizing control of a South Carolina town and the Army being sent in to crush the rebellion. This farcical vision is now part of the discussion in professional military circles.

At issue is an article in the respected Small Wars Journal titled “Full Spectrum Operations in the Homeland: A ‘Vision’ of the Future.”

(Excerpt) Read more at washingtontimes.com ...


TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Editorial; Government
KEYWORDS: 2016; army; banglist; civilwar; cwii; cwiiping; teaparty
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To: Windflier

You are not factoring in the goal of destroying the United States.

The Desolation of Obamanation has no interest whatsoever in either side prevailing.

Only that we are swept off the world stage and left a scorched ruin.


121 posted on 08/08/2012 6:35:00 PM PDT by null and void (Day 1297 of our ObamaVacation from reality - Heroes aren't made Frank, they're cornered...)
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To: redgolum
"Most of the “TEA” party is older, conservative, and set in their ways. That is not the group you turn to in a war. They have too much to lose."

I respectfully disagree.

Contrary to popular belief, for every dope smoking hippie at Woodstock, there were a hundred "normal" American kids in the service in Vietnam, Germany, South Korea, etc. Not to mention the Ozzie and Harriet kids who went on to college, marriage, jobs, etc.

And yes, there are a ton of them, a veritable lump in the Python, so to speak.

I daresay the majority of those folks have not changed their political stripes: indeed, they are the nucleus and the rank and file of the Tea Party.

As far as "too much to lose", who has that, the 19 year old kid in today's Army who is looking forward to his first legal beer and piece of tail or the old buzzard who sees nothing ahead but the Balkanization of his once great Country and a death panel?

122 posted on 08/08/2012 6:35:57 PM PDT by SnuffaBolshevik (In a tornado, even turkeys can fly.)
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To: ChildOfThe60s
Look at the attempted car bombing in NYC in 2010.

Leading up to the attempted bombing everyone from the President on down had their talking points as to how the TEA Party were a bunch of violent Tim McVeigh wannabees, and low and behold it was a fertilizer bomb.

Following the attempted bombing it was SEE SEE SEE we told you the Tea Party was violent.

Had that bomb not been a dud, it would have happened then.

Amazing how the left had their talking points in place before the attempted bombing .

123 posted on 08/08/2012 6:36:32 PM PDT by IMR 4350
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To: MamaTexan

“Any federal government action without a request from the State is unconstitutional on both the federal AND state level.”

The army being subordinate to the civil authority remains when it is the President giving the orders to attack.


124 posted on 08/08/2012 6:37:33 PM PDT by CodeToad (History says our end is near.)
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To: FreedomPoster

Welcome aboard!


125 posted on 08/08/2012 6:37:41 PM PDT by null and void (Day 1297 of our ObamaVacation from reality - Heroes aren't made Frank, they're cornered...)
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To: triSranch

Pennsylvania has close to a million deer hunters and they don’t use shotguns.


126 posted on 08/08/2012 6:38:18 PM PDT by Renegade
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To: sf4dubya

“What exactly is a Tea Party Extremist?”

We are not extremists. Frankly it’s the statists who believe in an all-powerful Federal Leviathan who are the extremists. If anything, we’re the only true “moderates” if you really think about it.

Like Ronaldus Magnus pointed out all of those years ago, Conservatism is not an ideology. Demanding that the federal government exercise only its Enumerated Powers is not an ideology, it’s being a good citizen. Stating that the redistribution of wealth is a terrible idea that only leads to genocide and destruction isn’t an ideology, it’s a statement of fact, just like it’s a statement of fact that the vast majority of Americans think radical Islam and homosexual “marriage” are bad ideas, too.

One thing I wish our “leaders” in the Republican party would realize is the fact that We the People outnumber They the Progressiveviks by a 2-1 margin. Maybe they wouldn’t be such craven cowards.


127 posted on 08/08/2012 6:39:05 PM PDT by Absolutely Nobama (The Doomsday Clock is at 11:59:00......tick-tock, tick-tock, tick-tock.....)
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To: ChildOfThe60s
...more importantly, control of its economic activity.

Key point.

128 posted on 08/08/2012 6:39:11 PM PDT by Palmetto Patriot (How much better off would we be if these bastards would just leave us alone?)
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To: null and void

“You are not factoring in the goal of destroying the United States.

The Desolation of Obamanation has no interest whatsoever in either side prevailing.

Only that we are swept off the world stage and left a scorched ruin.”

Well said. This isn’t about winning, this is about the destruction of the US.


129 posted on 08/08/2012 6:39:54 PM PDT by CodeToad (History says our end is near.)
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To: centurion316

Here’s hoping he’s fired. His infantile academic analysis is an embarrassment to real military planners the world over.


130 posted on 08/08/2012 6:40:05 PM PDT by Lurker (Violence is rarely the answer. But when it is it is the only answer.)
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To: FreedomPoster
They “get” a lot that I don’t think he does

Perhaps, but they also don't get their facts straight, at least based on most of the comments that I read.

No doubt that this issue is cause for concern, but the concern is with the political zealots who currently infest the White House and other corridors of power in DC. Thank Benson for getting this issue on the street, though I don't think that was his intent and I doubt that he realizes what a bonehead thing he did by using a political hot potato in his scenario.

131 posted on 08/08/2012 6:40:18 PM PDT by centurion316
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To: FreedomPoster; Lazamataz; Jim Robinson
Had I known about the guy's history here, I would never have posted that other article.

Fortunately, a couple kind folks FReepmailed me the new links and they do the job just fine. :)

132 posted on 08/08/2012 6:40:51 PM PDT by EveningStar
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To: redgolum
As you well know and understand, the ROE in Afghanistan are rather tight. It won't be if CWII breaks out.

That is for certain.

.And the Taliban is made up of people who have a culture, all the way back to Alexander the Great, of never surrendering. They will fight, because that is who they are. Will that happen here? Most of the “TEA” party is older, conservative, and set in their ways. That is not the group you turn to in a war. They have to much to loose.

While that is true at the moment, we are discussing a scenario where it could be that they realize they have very little to lose. An order person that has lived the majority of his life as a free man, may not be so eager to spend his few remaining years as a serf. He may also be willing to sacrifice those years to prevent the serfdom of his children and grandchildren.

It's just intuition, but I suspect that there are more of those "older" people than you think that would be willing to make the ultimate sacrifice for their country and their descendents. I hope we are not forced to find out.

133 posted on 08/08/2012 6:42:09 PM PDT by ChildOfThe60s (If you can remember the 60s....you weren't really there)
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To: Travis McGee

Very interesting. I doubt that Tea Party attendees would allow themselves into any situation such as that in the Col’s scenario, although another demographic might (e.g., laid off government employees). As you wrote, most of the tea partiers are getting old. Most of them are also wiser than most others. And maybe the Col. is coming out of the closet or something.


134 posted on 08/08/2012 6:42:08 PM PDT by familyop ("Wanna cigarette? You're never too young to start." --Deacon, "Waterworld")
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To: Travis McGee

Hey Travis, great comment, that you also left at the Washington Times article, and I wanted to give it a Like to help it rise up, but your link doesn’t work.
So, I searched for some of the text in your comment, and found it, and gave a Like, but you’re way below the number of Likes needed. You comment with the moniker Matt Bracken, so a Freeper can search for that also, and give a Like.


135 posted on 08/08/2012 6:42:28 PM PDT by Hokestuk
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To: Alas Babylon!
Still, it's laughable to think all these old grandparents are going to "take" Darlington, arrest mayors, cops, and sherrifs, stop traffic on the interstates, pull illegal aliens out of cars, etc.! I don't think they'd need the Army to put that down!

Who said anything about arrest , more like a tree with a short rope or a wall and lead.

136 posted on 08/08/2012 6:43:02 PM PDT by piroque ("In times of universal deceit, telling the truth becomes a revolutionary act")
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To: EveningStar
The article should have a sidebar on “Fragging.”
137 posted on 08/08/2012 6:43:11 PM PDT by Brad from Tennessee (A politician can't give you anything he hasn't first stolen from you.)
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To: dynachrome
What do you think would happen to his career if he did?

When your career is over, they call you retired. That's his status as the article makes clear.

138 posted on 08/08/2012 6:43:52 PM PDT by centurion316
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To: E. Pluribus Unum

Notice that in the past, the government used FBI agents to crack down on citizens rather than the Military?


139 posted on 08/08/2012 6:44:08 PM PDT by MinorityRepublican
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To: CodeToad

Even if 10% of those numbers came to bear it would scare the poop out of any army..
That is so so true..
If only We The People could come to know and believe that our strength is real.
When push come to shove We The People will step up and find that power and there will be hell to pay.


140 posted on 08/08/2012 6:45:09 PM PDT by triSranch ( Home of J.C. Calhoun and the Birthplace and Deathbed of the Confederacy)
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