Skip to comments.EDITORIAL: The Civil War of 2016: U.S. military officers are told to plan to fight Americans
Posted on 08/08/2012 4:50:24 PM PDT by EveningStar
Imagine Tea Party extremists seizing control of a South Carolina town and the Army being sent in to crush the rebellion. This farcical vision is now part of the discussion in professional military circles.
At issue is an article in the respected Small Wars Journal titled Full Spectrum Operations in the Homeland: A Vision of the Future.
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Excellent intelligent analysis.
A cogent, and spot-on analytical analysis, Steel Wolf. Very well done.
“And if it doesnt happen naturally, they might give it some help.
Somewhere I heard a breakdown of all the “terrorist” arrests since 9/11.
There were two (count em 2!) terror attempts thwarted by American Citizens.
Something like 27 or so others that were instigated in some way by FBI/CIA. (Somebody please correct me or provide sources)
If there is another civil war it will be instigated by “them” not “us”.
It's something that would need to be wargamed out using historical knowledge (presence of U.S. Colored Troops -- always a morale-raiser for the Confederates, as at Palmitto Springs near Brownsville, Texas, in May, 1865, when Gen. Nathaniel Banks, in a display of hubris and contempt for the Texans who'd beaten him twice, landed with his Colored Troops regiments up front, enraging the Texans -- U.S. control of waterways, the sub rosa cotton-trade networks => scalawags and carpetbaggers, etc., viz., co-optation of certain RiNOid Southerners) and modern wargaming artistry. Several times (to compensate for enthusiastic Southerners, e.g., refloating their aircraft carriers like Adm. Nagumo did when he war-gamed Midway).
Gen. Lee, a few months before his death, no doubt of heart failure, did make a comment privately to a former Texas Confederate lieutenant-governor (statement sourced and cached on media) to the effect that, had he known the purposes to which the North intended to put their victory, would not have surrendered at Appomattox, but sought by any means to disperse his army, reach Bragg in Tennessee, and continue the war as a guerrilla contest.
Thus Marse Robert. I respect his judgment, while noting that heart disease does produce a certain melancholia and pessimism in sufferers.
You do not credit the blood thirst of Obama's circle. These people are ideologues and Communists. They're middle-class armchair executioners who seriously want Middle America to Go Away (the 25,000,000 remark, which has been bid up in the meantime to God knows how many).
Middle-class Communists are the worst, the most bloody-minded. Check your hole card; it might not be worth as much as you think.
NB, have you been following this thread?
“I can imagine the military encircling DC and frog marching Reid,Pelosi,Odungo and about 42 Czars to prison”
And after reading the article and thinking about it, I am becoming more and more convinced that something like this will take place.
The reason is this:
What does the government do with the Army/military?
By that I mean if there was somehow a growing populist movement that in some way tried to “Hold DC accountable”, that obviously tends to be a threat to the power base in DC.
Any possibility that the military could sympathize with the movement MUST (from DC’s perspective) be avoided.
The way to do that is through propaganda/false flag operations demonizing some people/part/cultural institutions in America, to change the focus of military thought away from DC and towards some poor sucker who in essence didn’t do a single dam thing to cause problems.
Many peoples comments in the article call it an unrealistic scenario.
I see it as a VERY realistic scenario!!!
How much/many of our servicemen/women would fall for it is an important question.
But one thing is certain - if you wake up in the morning and the internet is down and all you see on the tv is the Emergency Broadcast Signal, then it’s time to hunker down bigtime!
While they legitimately point out some really radical groups, they also sweep in many others which do not constitute a threat to legitimate government.
This is also a measure of the decreasing Constitutional legitimacy of Government, that such blatant paranoia should abound.
For those knowledgeable about the TEA party movement, this is a serious flag, showing the TEA party groups have only skimmed the surface of the festering rot at all levels of government.
The sad effect, apparently lost on the writers of the scenario, is that they are alienating one of the greatest groups of people who support the military, simply by declaring us their enemy, even hypothetically.
Surely they don't think the donations to the USO, the DAV, The VFW, The Wounded Warrior Project, The BVA, and a host of other organizations which support veterans, wounded and otherwise, come from the OWS Obamite types?
Talk about crapping in your mess kit...
IOW, "shock and awe", misapplied against the owners of same, would degenerate to "awk! and pshaw!"
Hope you're right.
Actually, the Army has no place in a political fight. They are not the "guarantors/saviors of the Constitution", the doctrine that lies at the heart of so many South American golpes de estado, juntas, and revolutions.
This is a matter between the People and their disobedient servants, and between the Taxpayers and the "Tax-Eaters and Takers", between the Solution and the Problem, people-to-people. The Army has no posse comitatus role unless a governor or legislature declares insurrection.
Did someone pay the authors to write the study/paper?
If so, then who? The federal government? The people? The military?
You can call it hypothetical all you want, but obviously SOMEONE is interested enough in it to produce serious results...
Bracketing. Black-propaganda technique. Thoroughly explained by adman Hunter Madsen, writing with psychologist Marshall Kirk, in After the Ball, about homosexual psywar against public mores and American sources of moral authority.
That's what I pointed out to my Dem friend, who was an Obama delegate to the state 'Rat convention four years ago, when I sent him a link and threw down.
In the end, all those 'Rat activists are responsible for this crap. They put that Kenyan Klown in office.
That is a very good point. But I have looked at modern civil wars, and they don’t stay limited for long.
Tight ROE may be used at first, but as things esculate the State will start getting more and more bloody. If you look at Finland, Spain, the Balkans, and Greece (granted only the Balkan wars happened post WWII era), things get very bloody very quickly. Once everyone is forced to choose a side, the ROE will end.
What does your son have to say about Article II and the natural born Citizen clause of our Constitution?
Lol...so all military service members now have to pass your personal loyalty test? Some people on this site are unbelievable.
“The original article itself is PsyOps. Poke the nest ... see how riled up the hornets get.”
I agree. Psyops, plus meme planting.
in case you guys missed it, the small wars journal article and a most excellent review by Travis @ 23... http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/2916269/posts?page=23#23
How can you uphold your sworn oath to defend the Constitution and also serve in the Usurper's army? Col. Lakin upheld his sworn oath. Know any others?
If they believe that they can simply announce ROE such as “Anybody outside carrying a firearm can be killed as a hostile,” they have just outlawed hunting. In hard times especially, a lot of folks hunt to put meat in the freezer.
I see this scenario repeated a few times. “Uncle Cletus was out turkey hunting, like every year. A drone dropped a missile on him and blew him to pieces!”
Word (and photos) of such incidents would spread by wildfire on the internet, all over the country. If they try to squelch the internet, it will just lead to disbelief in any govt pronouncements. After “collateral” strikes on innocent civilians, even the non-political will burn with hate against the fedgov.
As it's been mentioned, a few hundred active IRA tied down much of the British military on a small island for decades. Nobody has studied a modern dirty civil war in a nation where millions shoot scoped rifles for sport, among other things.
Once begun, CW2 might become Argentina's Dirty War X The Balkan Wars X Rwanda etc. It would be impossible to contain to a county in South Carolina. The Colonel's female sidekick “the Civil War expert” is tossing lit matches into dry tinder with this deliberately provocative race-baiting scenario. I question her motives.
The horrors of guerrilla warfare were well known and studied even in that era. I have read post-war comments by Marse Lee to the effect that guerrilla warfare always devolves to reprisals and atrocities, with “women and priests hiding bombs in their skirts.” Spain and the Peninsular Wars being the recent example they studied.
They knew that GW makes direct targets of noncombatants, leading to massacres of civilians, concentration camps etc. Lee felt an honorable defeat and national reconciliation was preferable to decades of dirty war, atrocities, and the much deeper national hatreds that would be developed. It’s been a few years since I read that in a CW1 history, don’t quote me!