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EDITORIAL: The Civil War of 2016: U.S. military officers are told to plan to fight Americans
The Washington Times ^ | August 8, 2012 | Editorial

Posted on 08/08/2012 4:50:24 PM PDT by EveningStar

Imagine Tea Party extremists seizing control of a South Carolina town and the Army being sent in to crush the rebellion. This farcical vision is now part of the discussion in professional military circles.

At issue is an article in the respected Small Wars Journal titled “Full Spectrum Operations in the Homeland: A ‘Vision’ of the Future.”

(Excerpt) Read more at washingtontimes.com ...


TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Editorial; Government
KEYWORDS: 2016; army; banglist; civilwar; cwii; cwiiping; teaparty
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To: Chickensoup; CodeToad

There ain’t enough military to find 5,000 Taliban in a desert and mountain country as big as Texas, so there sure ain’t enough drones for the USA by many orders of magnitude.

How does a drone distinguish a hunter with a scoped rifle from a “rebel sniper?” Or does Drone Command order the end of outdoor firearms carry? Really?

How will that work, when 19 million Americans purchase deer hunting stamps each Fall, and sally forth with scoped rifles to slay wily 200-pound mammals? Ban hunting, ban the 2nd Amendment. I’m sure Obama can just issue an Emergency Edict, and we’ll all obey it.

Good luck with that, ‘Rats!


421 posted on 08/10/2012 8:57:17 PM PDT by Travis McGee (www.EnemiesForeignAndDomestic.com)
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To: wintertime
The Chick fil A response should be a warning to all tyrant wannabees.

That we're willing to stand in long lines for food? I think they're already counting on that.

422 posted on 08/10/2012 9:00:24 PM PDT by ponygirl (Be Breitbart.)
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To: null and void

NOTIFICATION!

If I’m not added to the ping list immediately I will report you to the authorities. Lord only know the consequences.

It would be unacceptable to miss another thread like this one.

(Much obliged... ;)


423 posted on 08/10/2012 9:07:51 PM PDT by MV=PY (The Magic Question: Who's paying for it?)
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To: MV=PY

I noticed. You’re here! (And there)


424 posted on 08/10/2012 9:09:54 PM PDT by null and void (Day 1299 of our ObamaVacation from reality - Heroes aren't made Frank, they're cornered...)
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To: af_vet_rr

As a Texan, let me agree with you that whites are not predominant, but if you dont count illegals, that changes the situation. And even Gov Perry was threatening secession a couple of years ago. Texas very well could secede.


425 posted on 08/10/2012 9:42:24 PM PDT by TexConfederate1861 (Deo Vindice (God will vindicate) February 22, 1861)
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To: Travis McGee

This is on Drudge now.


426 posted on 08/11/2012 1:43:46 AM PDT by ebshumidors ( Marksmanship and YOUR heritage http://www.appleseedinfo.org)
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To: cripplecreek

Just give them booklets on the Constitution, problem solve.


427 posted on 08/11/2012 3:07:44 AM PDT by Biggirl ("Jesus talked to us as individuals"-Jim Vicevich/Thanks JimV!)
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To: DuncanWaring
In my English dictionary (ca 1814), the word "regulated" is defined as "Controlled". Every form of regulator, whether law enforcement or controlling the flow of gas, or pressure, does just that: controls.

If you read the supporting discussions in the Federalist Papers, controlling a standing army was discussed at length while discussing whether there should even be a Federal standing Army.

The conclusion was that a small standing army would be overwhelmed by the sheer force of armed citizens with or without martial training, and thus kept in line.

The term "Militia" is defined in the same dictionary as: "the Army, in its entirety."

When the substitutions are made, (remembering the objective is the "security of a free State"), keeping the army controlled by guaranteeing the Right of the People to Keep and Bear Arms, and thus keeping the Federal Government in check was indeed the objective of the Second Amendment, to ensure liberty.

The Third Amendment dealt with another related concern: that of quartering troops within one's home.

Recall, too, that the colonies had been subjected to what amounted to military rule prior to the fight for independence, and the pieces all fall into place.

428 posted on 08/11/2012 3:37:16 AM PDT by Smokin' Joe (How often God must weep at humans' folly. Stand fast. God knows what He is doing)
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To: Travis McGee

Not just numbers but I hardly think we the people that build those drones and other systems would stand by and allow them to be used against us. When we say that we have had enough I can’t imagine an army that could defeat us.


429 posted on 08/11/2012 7:35:44 AM PDT by CodeToad (History says our end is near.)
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To: Travis McGee

“Actually, it would have to rise back UP to an 1800s population.

The massive dislocation die-off might take us well below sustainable 1800s pop. levels.

Since the artificial push to get everyone into the cities, that’s an interesting thought that hasn’t come up in a while. Taxation and voting manipulations have pushed people to get into cities while the rural areas have seen population decreases, not to mention technology means less people needed for farming and ranching while more people were needed in offices and factories.


430 posted on 08/11/2012 7:40:22 AM PDT by CodeToad (History says our end is near.)
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To: Smokin' Joe

Very good post! Perhaps worthy of its own thread?


431 posted on 08/11/2012 8:13:57 AM PDT by null and void (Day 1299 of our ObamaVacation from reality - Heroes aren't made Frank, they're cornered...)
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To: jimjohn
...the rest would just back off and let the military 'restore order'. Always keep in mind the Ace card us bitter-clinger types hold over this government: They need us more than we need them. Think about it. The groups this government panders to these days can't even take care of themselves, let alone the country. If you left them to run free, how long would the infrastructure hold up?

You're right if elites wanted our country to function at the level it's functioning at now. That might not be the case. Elites throughout history want things to work for them, but show little concern for the general population.

Check out Africa - or banana republics - thugs neutralize opposition and plundered what's left. Thugs running countries do well for themselves. They would live well here too - as long as they have theirs - and their power's not threatened. Which is where to repressive force always comes into play...

Think of the poorest countries in the world - their corrupt leaders live like kings...

Our country's broke - but there's much that could be sold off - or lived off of for a long time. Yes, it could happen here. The history of the world tells us democracies like ours are the exception...

432 posted on 08/11/2012 9:03:06 AM PDT by GOPJ (Freeper Neveronmywatch's convinced: Put a compass in the hands of a liberal it'll point south.)
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To: EveningStar

bump


433 posted on 08/11/2012 9:55:17 AM PDT by Mark17 (California, where English is a foreign language)
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To: ChildOfThe60s

[[ My cousin’s son is in the National Guard. He says some of them are *very* concerned they could be ordered to fire on their fellow citizens.........uh, key word being *some*.]]

If it comes to a new civil war, it won’t be a case of the military firing at civilians.

It will be factions of the military firing at each other.

If there ever is an incident of the U.S. military killing Americans en masse, it won’t matter who they are. It will portend the finale of the American experiement, once and for all.


434 posted on 08/11/2012 10:01:02 AM PDT by Road Glide
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To: 98ZJ USMC
The problem with the military is the O-6 and above Command Structure.

Not precisely. The problem is those at the staff colleges that train those officers and develop doctrine.

435 posted on 08/11/2012 1:25:54 PM PDT by archy (I'd give my right arm to be ambidextrous!)
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To: Travis McGee

There ain’t enough military to find 5,000 Taliban in a desert and mountain country as big as Texas, so there sure ain’t enough drones for the USA by many orders of magnitude.

__________________________

Most of us dont live like 5000 Taliban in the desert. We live in houses with addresses ususally readily available on Google. We live quiet lives.


436 posted on 08/11/2012 1:29:49 PM PDT by Chickensoup (STOP The Great O-ppression)
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To: Travis McGee
A CW here would, I think, devolve into a dirty civil war, shades of Argentina, Balkans, some Rwanda, etc. Beyond a horror show.

And it might so totally cripple the economy and delivery systems, that all urban zones explode in uncontainable food riots.

Then Katy Bar the Door, All Bets Are Off.

And Finland. In 4 months in 1918, Finland managed to kill off about 1% of its male population. During the US Civil War of 1861-1865 we managed to knock off around 2% of our own over that 4-year period. The difference was that in Finland, only about 25% were combat deaths. The rest were summary executions, or prisoners dying in the horrid conditions in the PW camps.

If they ave no respect whatsoever for my constitutional rights or the Law of Land Warfare, why should I extend such niceties to those other people.

437 posted on 08/11/2012 3:59:28 PM PDT by archy (I'd give my right arm to be ambidextrous!)
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To: Hokestuk
Huge point, you are saying the war could be won.

Oh yes. Example: On 10th Anniversary Of Murder, FBI Seeks New Clues

438 posted on 08/11/2012 4:05:36 PM PDT by archy (I'd give my right arm to be ambidextrous!)
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To: chessplayer
U.S. troops firing on citizens? Not that far fetched.

Indeed.

439 posted on 08/11/2012 4:09:51 PM PDT by archy (I'd give my right arm to be ambidextrous!)
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To: Noumenon

Thanks for the ping to your essay. I hope you have not given up on your book project.


440 posted on 08/11/2012 9:53:28 PM PDT by SaraJohnson
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