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EDITORIAL: The Civil War of 2016: U.S. military officers are told to plan to fight Americans
The Washington Times ^ | August 8, 2012 | Editorial

Posted on 08/08/2012 4:50:24 PM PDT by EveningStar

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To: null and void; djf

“Going back to an 1800’s technology also means going back to an 1800’s population.”

Actually, it would have to rise back UP to an 1800s population.

The massive dislocation die-off might take us well below sustainable 1800s pop. levels.


351 posted on 08/09/2012 4:13:45 PM PDT by Travis McGee (www.EnemiesForeignAndDomestic.com)
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To: SLB

How do you explain the COL’s obvious derangement or motivation, in naming a regional and ethnic “National Villain” in this scenario, instead of a generic “Pineland Liberation Army” as has been the protocal?

Was his half-byline hijacked?


352 posted on 08/09/2012 4:16:52 PM PDT by Travis McGee (www.EnemiesForeignAndDomestic.com)
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To: stephenjohnbanker; SLB

I rule out just plain stupid.

Fancy, pedigreed and degreed stupid, maybe.


353 posted on 08/09/2012 4:18:23 PM PDT by Travis McGee (www.EnemiesForeignAndDomestic.com)
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To: Mack the knife

Roger that.


354 posted on 08/09/2012 4:22:12 PM PDT by Travis McGee (www.EnemiesForeignAndDomestic.com)
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To: lentulusgracchus

“Think about that for a while.”

And sometimes “emergency orders” and “decrees” are not announced publicly at all.

That is, the FBI could turn into the KGB, and we would not be informed, until we noticed that some posters were no longer posting in places like this one.


355 posted on 08/09/2012 4:26:12 PM PDT by Travis McGee (www.EnemiesForeignAndDomestic.com)
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To: Steel Wolf; Squantos; CodeToad

338: A great caliber, another great post.


356 posted on 08/09/2012 4:31:50 PM PDT by Travis McGee (www.EnemiesForeignAndDomestic.com)
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To: EveningStar

Obama is getting scared.


357 posted on 08/09/2012 4:35:18 PM PDT by editor-surveyor (Freepers: Not as smart as I'd hoped they were.)
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To: TheOldLady

I reported you to Admin after you added me to the list. Is that still okay?


What did the Admin say?


358 posted on 08/09/2012 4:37:36 PM PDT by OwenKellogg
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To: Travis McGee
The massive dislocation die-off might take us well below sustainable 1800s pop. levels.


Scary thought.

But, a possible outcome.

359 posted on 08/09/2012 4:44:18 PM PDT by OwenKellogg
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To: OwenKellogg

Admin almost never speaks to me. Sigh... ;-)


360 posted on 08/09/2012 4:49:21 PM PDT by TheOldLady
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To: cripplecreek

I can’t argue with that. These COUNTRY CLUB REPUBLICANS are in a complete tizzie because of the tea party. Most often, their “LIBERAL LITE” politicians are being beat by conservative “NO BODIES”, This is why I’ve quit giving money to the RNC. I remember when these “REPUBLICANS” scuttled a conservative over a “LIBERAL LITE” republican in New York State. When the conservative won, the “LIBERAL LITE” backed the democrat. There is a new wind blowing and these people had better sign up with us or get out of the party.


361 posted on 08/09/2012 4:55:05 PM PDT by gingerbread
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To: Travis McGee
The massive dislocation die-off might take us well below sustainable 1800s pop. levels.

I imagine there would be quite a few outsiders waiting in the wings for the opportunity to waltz in and plant their flag.

362 posted on 08/09/2012 5:04:26 PM PDT by Sarajevo (Don't think for a minute that this excuse for a President has America's best interest in mind.)
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To: ScubieNuc
"I too am a veteran and don't believe Obama meets the standard set in the Constitution of being a Natural Born Citizen, but I am curious as to what you think my son, an two year E-4, is supposed to do about the belief that Obama doesn't meet the Constitutional requirement to be CinC."

When did he enlist?

"My son is doing his duty, which basically breaks down to obeying the lawful orders of his immediate superiors."

There are no lawful orders when the commander-in-chief is unlawful. All command authority is derived from the CIC.

363 posted on 08/09/2012 5:08:01 PM PDT by Godebert (No Person Except a NATURAL BORN CITIZEN!)
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To: TheOldLady

We listen....:o)


364 posted on 08/09/2012 5:26:02 PM PDT by Sidebar Moderator
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To: Smokin' Joe
how much they can rely on the ignorance and sheer propensity of the average TV watcher for being suckered

Which, as past experience shows, they can rely on a LOT.

Anyone that is hoping the American people will remove the blinders and start thinking for themselves is deluded.

365 posted on 08/09/2012 5:52:02 PM PDT by ChildOfThe60s (If you can remember the 60s....you weren't really there)
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To: Sidebar Moderator
We listen....:o)

Yes, I know that you do. You're a great bunch of guys and gals. ;-) Saved my bacon more than once, I'll tell you what.

366 posted on 08/09/2012 6:00:19 PM PDT by TheOldLady
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To: Sarajevo

It might be worse or just as bad most other places.

Who would be in a position to take full advantage, so secure at home were they? Naturally, their agents and sabateurs might be given free reign to cause maximum mischief.


367 posted on 08/09/2012 6:55:54 PM PDT by Travis McGee (www.EnemiesForeignAndDomestic.com)
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To: Travis McGee

Rules 308/300/338. I like them all. :)

And, yes, it will be an uncivilized bloody mess.


368 posted on 08/09/2012 7:02:57 PM PDT by CodeToad (History says our end is near.)
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To: CodeToad; The Shrew

http://www.pjtv.com/?cmd=mpg&mpid=105&load=7290

PJTV doing rapid response New Media, and Bill Whittle plugs the oathkeepers.


369 posted on 08/09/2012 7:17:42 PM PDT by Travis McGee (www.EnemiesForeignAndDomestic.com)
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To: Osage Orange; ctdonath2; rollo tomasi; DesertRhino; ChildOfThe60s; Travis McGee; 2ndDivisionVet
Overall, here are 3 main arguments against my notion that the insurgency will fail against the US military.

1. US cannot even win against the Islamist insurgents in over 10 years of fighting.

Who says that US is not winning against the Islamist insurgents? In fact, US has killed them by hundrends of thousands and have weakened them considerably. The only reason the fighting is continuing, apart from the fact that they keep coming from non-fight-zones such as Saudi Arabia, is that US is really benefiting from the managed-scale insurgencies -- this is the war of the future, so honing the skills ain't bad at all. A decade of experience in fighting urban insurgency will compliment tremendous air and naval superiority of the US military.

2. Even those 2 Washington DC shooters paralyzed the entire region, so imagine the terror unleashed by thousands of insurgents.

The population might have been paralyzed, but the military will not be. In fact, a paralyzed population will make things easier for the military to wipe out the insurgents. The paralyzed population will follow curfews, so insurgents will be much easier to locate using thermal/infrared imagery.

3. The military supply chain will be severely disrupted by armed uprising, thus preventing the military from mobilizing effectively.

Although the military supply chain will be severely disrupted, the civilian supply chain will be even more so! Without wal-marts stocked in every town, the docile population will flee to the urban areas for basic sustenance. Those with the supplies are survivalists and those are in remote areas. THe military can carpet bomb those areas, leaving the survivalists dead in their dungeons.

I think one of the better arguments against sustained insurgency is that half of the aged insurgent population will be dead before the nightfall after an insurgency. The aged folks will be the brains behind insurgency (ala mullahs), but they are kept alive by daily doses of medical cocktails. A week/month/year after the insurgency, no more medicine to keep them viable.

And beside all of the speculation, all we have to do is look at China to see how armed insurgency can be kept under total control if the military is powerful enough. Look at West China where restive population of Muslims are kept under complete control by the Chinese military. The US military has even more resources to do it.

370 posted on 08/09/2012 7:45:03 PM PDT by sagar
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To: CodeToad

” - - - yes, it will be an uncivilized bloody mess.”

This would be the goal of Communist Obama. He would be delighted to encourage us to destroy what “somebody else made that happen.”

Keep in mind that Obama flunked kindergarten, so he is just a little bit smarter than the average journalist. His sole purpose in life is to destroy America, as well as all of his former classmates who got better grades than he did.

If Romney wins, Obama will pardon all of the Gitmo prisoners, Mexican Drug gang members, and swing our Southern Border as wide open as his Executive Orders will allow him.

His lame duck “flexibility” with the Russians will involve selling Putin Military secrets and technology.

But that is just MHO.


371 posted on 08/09/2012 7:53:25 PM PDT by Graewoulf ((Traitor John Roberts' Obama"care" violates Sherman Anti-Trust Law, AND the U.S. Constitution.))
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To: sagar

I believe that we are going to find out one way or the other before many moons have passed. Soon, probably too soon, we are going to make a choice as to what we do:1. Docially be starved to death in one of obama’s camps. 2. Die fighting as free [to the extent that we are free now] men and women.


372 posted on 08/09/2012 7:54:54 PM PDT by sport
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To: sagar

“US has killed them by hundrends of thousands ...Without wal-marts stocked in every town, the docile population will flee to the urban areas for basic sustenance. Those with the supplies are survivalists and those are in remote areas. THe military can carpet bomb those areas, leaving the survivalists dead in their dungeons. “

That was a bunch of ignorant screed.

No one in the cities is going to “flee to the urban areas” because ‘urban’ means ‘cities’. I think you might mean ‘rural’ areas and frankly, no one is walking there. History shows people rarely get past 5 miles from home.

Since you obviously haven’t been paying attention, prepping is all the rage by housewives and people of all kinds. To claim any one of them is a lone survivalist in a rural setting available for carpet bombing is just plain juvenile...and stupid.

I am pretty sure we haven’t killed hundreds of thousands of foreigners. That’s kind of a liberal viewpoint.

Nice try, but, seriously, go back to your video games.


373 posted on 08/09/2012 8:05:04 PM PDT by CodeToad (History says our end is near.)
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To: Graewoulf

Without a doubt it is the liberal’s goal to destroy America. What to put in its place they have no idea. They’re just angry little children lashing out without a thought to the consequences.


374 posted on 08/09/2012 8:06:43 PM PDT by CodeToad (History says our end is near.)
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To: Travis McGee

Good point.

In the past, the Producers vastly outnumbered the moochers, so the touchy-feely creed of “helping” the poor appealed to the elite in “both” of our sorry political parties.

Then the moochers got so numerous that the elite gave them free lunches and thus bought their votes with our tax and debt dollars.

Now the cost and debt of the free lunches is so high that the elites have started to raise money by Nationalizing money-making industries, such as the Medical and insurance industries with Traitor John Roberts’ Obama”care.”

England followed this same path after world War Twice. Fortunately for England the North Sea Oil Field Complex can in at the right time o keep England from following the same fate as Greece of today.

The Silent Majority are now the Taxed Enough Already Party.

The TEA Party foolishly ASSUMED that by sending 89 newly minted Congressmen and women to Congress in 2010, that the DC elites would wean themselves magically from playing to the moochers.

Lesson learned!


375 posted on 08/09/2012 8:18:40 PM PDT by Graewoulf ((Traitor John Roberts' Obama"care" violates Sherman Anti-Trust Law, AND the U.S. Constitution.))
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To: sagar
"And beside all of the speculation, all we have to do is look at China to see how armed insurgency can be kept under total control if the military is powerful enough."

Ummmm...there are few differences that MIGHT matter.

For one, we're not a disarmed nation of sheep for free wolf slaughter, like the Chinese.

In America, 19 million folks venture into the woods each fall with scoped rifles during "Operation Opening Day."

Not quite the situation of CHina.

I picked only one of your flubs to highlight, the rest of your thinking is just as foolishly flawed.


376 posted on 08/09/2012 8:25:09 PM PDT by Travis McGee (www.EnemiesForeignAndDomestic.com)
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To: CodeToad

” - - - What to put in its place they have no idea.”

Not so. History is rife with examples of men who do not play well with others: THEY ALL BECOME DICTATORS.


377 posted on 08/09/2012 8:29:39 PM PDT by Graewoulf ((Traitor John Roberts' Obama"care" violates Sherman Anti-Trust Law, AND the U.S. Constitution.))
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To: Iron Munro

Read Unintended Consequences by John Ross.


378 posted on 08/09/2012 8:38:17 PM PDT by Robert Teesdale
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To: Travis McGee
Looters loot the Producers to buy votes from the Moochers. It’s a simple as that. And now it’s coming to a head.

It'll get really nasty when the Moochers decide to eliminate the middleman.

Oh, wait -- Trayvon tried that. Fail.

379 posted on 08/09/2012 8:42:53 PM PDT by lentulusgracchus
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To: sagar

The variable which comes into play for us which has not elsewhere. Impossible to predict how effective it will be. Arms held by non military.

I don’t think the dissident populations in your examples have had the volume of arms that are held by US citizens.

Because of the sheer magnitude of this country and terrain, I think that effective, organized control of the entire country by the military is going to be extremely difficult at best. I’m more inclined to think that we will end up with prolonged chaos more than anything else. The technology dependency will work against the oppressors as well.

It could very easily devolve into a Mad Max scenario. A lot of unpredictability here, but it would be awful beyond anything most people are willing to imagine.

Anyone who is not very frightened right now is not looking rationally at the facts.


380 posted on 08/09/2012 9:13:21 PM PDT by ChildOfThe60s (If you can remember the 60s....you weren't really there)
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To: ChildOfThe60s

” - - - I’m more inclined to think that we will end up with prolonged chaos more than anything else.”

Perhaps I missed it, but no one has brought up the subject of City States. Currently, the best model to look at is NYC.

City States with defendable marine harbors could then supply the interior City States if the corridors of transportation could be defended.

Labor Unions would have to choose to lose their membership cards, to put it politely - - .


381 posted on 08/09/2012 9:36:45 PM PDT by Graewoulf ((Traitor John Roberts' Obama"care" violates Sherman Anti-Trust Law, AND the U.S. Constitution.))
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To: Travis McGee
A few thousand active Taliban armed mostly with rusty old AK-47s are tying down how many of our troops, MRAPS, helos, Predators, etc? Are we winnin that one?

Imagine not a few thousand Taliban with old AKs, but millions of soldiers with experience from Vietnam to OIF, armed with scoped deer rifles.

Could be interesting times.

382 posted on 08/09/2012 10:38:22 PM PDT by neverdem (Xin loi minh oi)
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To: centurion316

We have mad men running everything now.


383 posted on 08/09/2012 10:53:58 PM PDT by SaraJohnson
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To: Drumbo; Kartographer; EveningStar

Interesting thread, also a concept trailer for an independent film “Grey State” that caught my attention:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Gy7FVXERKFE
posted among the comments for the article in post #1.


384 posted on 08/09/2012 11:10:08 PM PDT by Titan Magroyne (What one person receives without working for, another person must work for without receiving.)
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To: Travis McGee

I could not get the link to work.

Obama gang said they wanted to kill 25 million people to launch their Utopia. I don’t think it would bother them to do that to religious white people and conservative white people. I’d like to see them an’ git it. We’ll take out at least one for one. It would be the end of America, that’s for sure.


385 posted on 08/09/2012 11:11:00 PM PDT by SaraJohnson
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To: SaraJohnson

I tried to link directly to the comments, but that didn’t work. Here is the original article, comments below.

http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2012/aug/7/the-civil-war-of-2016/

Looks like they deleted the #1 comment, mine! The replies to my comment are still there, but my comment is gone. Must have offended some Obamite fedgoon traitors.


386 posted on 08/10/2012 5:12:31 AM PDT by Travis McGee (www.EnemiesForeignAndDomestic.com)
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To: SaraJohnson

The comment the WA Times deleted is posted here at 23.


387 posted on 08/10/2012 5:38:35 AM PDT by Travis McGee (www.EnemiesForeignAndDomestic.com)
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To: sagar
Who says that US is not winning against the Islamist insurgents?

The facts.

Are you over there? Talk to most people with multiple deployments and you might be surprised. Please provide empirical evidence that radical Islam has been neutralized and put down. You would be surprised how little was done despite killing "hundreds of thousands", check your math as well. BTW, I have killed many cock roaches in my day but the insurgents perpetually keep the invasion up wasting time and resources trying to stop the vermin.

Even those Washington DC shooters paralyzed the entire region, so imagine the terror unleashed by thousands of insurgents.

Contrary to the fighting strength of the US military, they would be no match to a civilian army, who pays for their room & board, of numbers in the 90,000,000 range. Plus the "insurgents" would have no rules or PT requirements dumbing down their training.

The military supply chain will be severely disrupted by armed uprising, thus preventing the military from mobilizing effectively.

Well, both supply chains would be disrupted but like any other successful revolution, the appeals and overtures to outside forces (Sympathetic to a rebellion or nations that just hate the US government) from a foreign State will be made. If deals are made then all bets are off.

Also you fail to account for the retention rate of the US military. Contrary to popular belief, freedom comes first to many in the military; not all members are "careerist".

BTW, the foundation like citizens in the United States are blessed with (Of arms and resources), are not at the Chinese rebels disposal. Why do you think politicians are crazy about gun control or politicians who pretend to be Pro 2 but love to back-door supporters in implementing gun control?
388 posted on 08/10/2012 7:06:28 AM PDT by rollo tomasi (Working hard to pay for deadbeats and corrupt politicians)
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To: Godebert
There are no lawful orders when the commander-in-chief is unlawful.

So you think my son, an E-4 in the Army, should refuse to do anything because of the above belief? If so, you are an idiot. Number one, anyone with half a brain KNOWS that position is a loser which at the very least would get him punished and probably get him kicked out of the Army. Even Sun Tsu talked about only choosing battles you can win, and that battle you suggest is a loser. Number two, even if all of the enlisted personel decided to refuse to do anything because of your belief, the end result would be our Armed Forces purged of Constitutional, right minded people. Who is going to fill those spots? The Black Pampers? Wake up and get real, dude! The responcibility for making sure Obama meets the Constitutional requirements is Congress and the Courts. Both have refused to do their duty. So now are you going to refuse to obey any laws passed by Congress or inforced through the courts because they are failing in their duty? Of course not! Don't purpose actions that you aren't ready and willing to lead.

389 posted on 08/10/2012 8:05:51 AM PDT by ScubieNuc (When there is no justice in the laws, justice is left to the outlaws.)
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To: Nebr FAL owner

I know that BUT it was an example of US “Troops” firing on US civilians.


390 posted on 08/10/2012 9:23:48 AM PDT by MrLee (Sha'alu Shalom Yerushalyim!! God bless Eretz Israel.)
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To: ScubieNuc

Don’t feel too bad. On this very thread we have an active duty commissioned officer admitting that his paycheck is more important than his sworn oath to defend the Constitution.


391 posted on 08/10/2012 12:17:48 PM PDT by Godebert (No Person Except a NATURAL BORN CITIZEN!)
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To: Godebert

I don’t feel bad at all. As for my son, I feel nothing but pride.

What I know though, is that your mouth is writing checks that your own ass won’t cash. Citizens have more freedoms and opportunity to create change then soldiers, so why don’t you lead something instead of chastising others for something you won’t do yourself.


392 posted on 08/10/2012 1:14:09 PM PDT by ScubieNuc (When there is no justice in the laws, justice is left to the outlaws.)
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To: F15Eagle
"You have to threaten to report him to the admin for the nutjob conspiracies, lol"

I've already threatened to report him so I am on the list, but I am seriously thinking about threatening him with the moderator again.

Thinking.....

HA, HA!

393 posted on 08/10/2012 3:06:53 PM PDT by hummingbird (Breitbart and Spartacus: here, there, everywhere. Join them. Join us.)
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To: hummingbird; null and void

I had to say I was gonna report him just so I could get added.

LOL

Sorry, gotta run, UFO fighting it out with black helicopter in backyard. Bigfoot running the video camera but he has it set on “Grainy. Out of Focus”. Can never teach Sasquatch to run the video camera properly. Think I will submit it to NatGeo’s “Chasing UFO’s”, anyways. Can’t be any more boring than the real show where they walkie-talkie each other about nuthin’.

Think I see a crop circle in the grass in the front yard as well.


394 posted on 08/10/2012 3:27:45 PM PDT by F15Eagle (1 John 5:4-5, 4:15, 5:13; John 3:17-18, 6:69, 11:25, 14:6, 20:31; Rom10:8-11; 1 Tim 2:5; Titus 3:4-5)
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To: ScubieNuc
"What I know though, is that your mouth is writing checks that your own ass won’t cash. Citizens have more freedoms and opportunity to create change then soldiers, so why don’t you lead something instead of chastising others for something you won’t do yourself."

Soldiers take the oath to defend the Constitution. Just ask your son. If a few more officers had honored their sworn oath like Col. Lakin, Obama would have had to step down, IMHO.

I don't expect 18 year old recruits to understand Constitutional law. The officer corps is another story.

395 posted on 08/10/2012 4:18:29 PM PDT by Godebert (No Person Except a NATURAL BORN CITIZEN!)
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To: cripplecreek

homosexuals, women and minorities are being promoted like mad right now.

Now we find out tonight at the first homo woman was promoted to Brig Gen


396 posted on 08/10/2012 6:08:54 PM PDT by manc (Marriage =1 man + 1 woman,when they say marriage equality then they should support polygamy)
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To: Uncle Ike

LOL Just said the same and saw your post, homosexuals etc are being promoted right now.
The socialists and Marxists are doing as much as they can in case they lose this or the next election.

As bozo the clown has said in the past, “we have to lay the ground work for the future”


397 posted on 08/10/2012 6:11:30 PM PDT by manc (Marriage =1 man + 1 woman,when they say marriage equality then they should support polygamy)
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To: SaraJohnson
We have mad men running everything now.

No. We have worse.

398 posted on 08/10/2012 6:17:04 PM PDT by Noumenon (Obama 2012: Zimbabwe without the airfare)
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To: Travis McGee

this is #1 at wash times comments now, nyuk, nyuk:

“Toaster Crisp•6 hours ago “

=your post pasted in=

“There. I fixed it for you. Looks like you will have to dump the whole thread this time...”


399 posted on 08/10/2012 6:17:22 PM PDT by dynachrome ("Our forefathers didn't bury their guns. They buried those that tried to take them.")
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Boys like them cant imagine how many of us are well trained in military operations.

How many former snipers are out there? These boys dont get it.


400 posted on 08/10/2012 6:18:18 PM PDT by crz
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