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EDITORIAL: The Civil War of 2016: U.S. military officers are told to plan to fight Americans
The Washington Times ^ | August 8, 2012 | Editorial

Posted on 08/08/2012 4:50:24 PM PDT by EveningStar

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To: null and void

Check out this thread for another view of the near future and what could be the US future in an Obama second term. The trailer is particularly good.

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401 posted on 08/10/2012 6:24:39 PM PDT by Truth29
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To: crz

Even a Remington Raider like me (96B, Intelligence Analyst) fired expert with an M16A1.


402 posted on 08/10/2012 6:25:36 PM PDT by 2ndDivisionVet (You cannot invade the mainland United States. There would be a rifle behind every blade of grass.)
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To: null and void

I’m totally gonna report you to the admin if you don’t add me to your list.

I’m tired of asking you!

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403 posted on 08/10/2012 6:26:48 PM PDT by Chasaway (Where are we going and why am I in this handbasket?)
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To: sagar

There are a lot of southerners in the Army. And the next Civil War will probably be Red states vs Blue!


404 posted on 08/10/2012 6:34:07 PM PDT by TexConfederate1861 (Deo Vindice (God will vindicate) February 22, 1861)
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To: Chasaway

*sigh* And I’m tired of ignoring you, I’ve added you to the list.


405 posted on 08/10/2012 6:42:27 PM PDT by null and void (Day 1299 of our ObamaVacation from reality - Heroes aren't made Frank, they're cornered...)
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To: sagar

“Regardless, I just do not see a well oiled military machine can be brought to knees by weekend warriors who are probably over 50 and not in good physical shape”

Well now, my National guard division ran the largest and most sucessfull area of Iraq...Some “special” soldiers were ordering us to “return to the game” after only 6 hours of us transferring over to Big Army due to they were FUBAR!
(There words not ours!)


406 posted on 08/10/2012 6:53:20 PM PDT by OL Hickory (Jesus and the American soldier-1 died for your soul/1 died for your freedom)
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To: EveningStar

U.S. troops firing on citizens? Not that far fetched.

“THE SAD TALE OF THE
BONUS MARCHERS”

http://www.worldwar1.com/dbc/bonusm.htm

These were veterans our troops attacked. Back then, the troops that attacked the Bonus marchers were probably so conservative they would make FReepers look like liberals, but they attacked WWI vets without hesitation when ordered to do so. What makes anyone here so confidant that our military today would hesitate to attack citizens if ordered to do so.


407 posted on 08/10/2012 6:56:34 PM PDT by chessplayer
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To: EveningStar

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408 posted on 08/10/2012 7:18:14 PM PDT by Mortrey (Impeach President Soros)
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To: null and void
Take me off your ping list.

409 posted on 08/10/2012 7:18:49 PM PDT by I see my hands (It's time to.. KICK OUT THE JAMS, MOTHER FREEPERS!)
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To: Travis McGee

Ever seen a civil war in a nation where over 50% of the population own firearms, and 10% own scoped deer rifles capable of hitting a soldier on guard or checkpoint duty at 400+ yards?

A few thousand active Taliban armed mostly with rusty old AK-47s are tying down how many of our troops, MRAPS, helos, Predators, etc? Are we winnin that one?

Imagine not a few thousand Taliban with old AKs, but millions of soldiers with experience from Vietnam to OIF, armed with scoped deer rifles.
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Which is why the government is going to cameras, satalites and drones so fast. Totalitarian government here we come!


410 posted on 08/10/2012 7:21:09 PM PDT by Chickensoup (STOP The Great O-ppression)
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To: PowderMonkey
One other rather prominent one, regardless of how one feels about unions--- this really happened: August 25 to Sept. 2nd, 1921 The Battle of Blair Mountain. Warren G. Harding sent Federal troops to stop the war between a vicious sheriff's fiefdom in Mingo County,WV and his private army and the miners. Rednecks-- the term for miners who wore red bandanas for recognition.

A very long way from the Covenanters of 1640s Scotland who rejected rule by Presbyterian bishops, who signed their manifestos in blood and wore red cloth around their necks to identify to each other. But in the same spirit and sign for independence.

411 posted on 08/10/2012 7:25:40 PM PDT by John S Mosby (Sic Semper Tyrannis)
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To: I see my hands

No can do. In order for me to remove you from the list, you must first be on the list.


412 posted on 08/10/2012 7:25:50 PM PDT by null and void (Day 1299 of our ObamaVacation from reality - Heroes aren't made Frank, they're cornered...)
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To: EveningStar
Have these people ever looked at a Tea Party? These are the same people you meet in Church on Sundays. They're the people who work as Home Room mothers and Cub Scout leaders.

Big Sis and Homeland 'Security' might not understand middle class heterosexuals with children and grand children but they need to open their hearts to people like us. Janet and her liberal goons prefer gay men and dyke women - with all the body parts pierced. But some of us aren't 'Occupy' types. We're traditional Americans and we don't take over cities. We take out chicken sandwiches from Chick-fil-A.

It's time for liberal elite totalitarians to come to grips with reality and grow up.

413 posted on 08/10/2012 7:31:03 PM PDT by GOPJ (Freeper Neveronmywatch's convinced - you put a compass in the hands of a liberal it'll point south.)
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To: Mortrey

This is a fantasy land optimization. So what happens when Americans learn that the military equipment is EMP susceptible. Also that they have no plan for pot shots with a .338 or above.

There is also no factor for US troops standing with citizens, no matter how starved. Starving is the goal to cause the emergency. No joke! Watch and learn! People that fail to seek GODS Righteousness and truth.

History repeats itself again and again!


414 posted on 08/10/2012 7:31:47 PM PDT by foundedonpurpose (It's time for a fundamental restoration, of our country's principles!)
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To: EveningStar
I suspect if patriots ever had to take control of US territory the army would already have essentially dissolved due to total devaluation of the dollar.

And, if the army did come to assert control I suspect they would be warmly welcomed by those same patriots.

415 posted on 08/10/2012 7:32:08 PM PDT by The Duke
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To: null and void

FINALLY!

Thanks gobs....


416 posted on 08/10/2012 7:32:33 PM PDT by Chasaway (Where are we going and why am I in this handbasket?)
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To: VanShuyten; dynachrome; centurion316
BINGO!! That was my suspicions exactly. Even if he would have written about war-gaming against OWS, it probably wouldn't have been published. Ya know, like in the terrorist training films that only show white folks as terrorist and rioters? Permission to throw out a dose of reality, folks? Thank you. If the government wanted to use military force RIGHT NOW against TEA party types, they could just do it, and the only REAL response we'd have is with votes on election day. Most of us are in no physical shape to muster up enough collective force to go up against even the few in the military ranks that would shoot us. And you know the fifth-column scribes (AKA media)would be there cheering them on. When the military does war-gaming, it's usually against known or anticipated threats in the present or future. You, me and everyone else knows what's been going on in this country and what could and would happen if suddenly government checks would stop showing up, not clear the banks or worse - no place to cash them. In short, the cities would burn. Of course there would be those among us so inclined to help put out those fires by donating buckets of gasoline, but the rest would just back off and let the military 'restore order'. Always keep in mind the Ace card us bitter-clinger types hold over this government: They need us more than we need them. Think about it. The groups this government panders to these days can't even take care of themselves, let alone the country. If you left them to run free, how long would the infrastructure hold up? The answer to that question can be found at any OWS campsite. So to conclude: Yes, the powers-that-be may want to keep us in check, but they don't need to waist time war-gaming against us.
417 posted on 08/10/2012 8:03:28 PM PDT by jimjohn
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To: null and void
That's what they want you to believe.

418 posted on 08/10/2012 8:06:52 PM PDT by I see my hands (It's time to.. KICK OUT THE JAMS, MOTHER FREEPERS!)
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To: TexConfederate1861
There are a lot of southerners in the Army. And the next Civil War will probably be Red states vs Blue!

I know you're just kidding around, but when I see people bring this up, I remind them that a lot of Red States have plenty of Democrats, and a lot of Blue States have plenty of Republicans, and calling for a Civil War means you're going to impose your will on one group of people or another, which is very un-American.

And you have states like Texas where whites make up less than half the state, and Hispanics will soon be the predominant race (if they aren't already). That right there is a state that is not going to secede in the fantasy world of a third Civil War (since the American Revolution was the original Civil War).
419 posted on 08/10/2012 8:28:07 PM PDT by af_vet_rr
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To: GOPJ
Have these people ever looked at a Tea Party? These are the same people you meet in Church on Sundays. They're the people who work as Home Room mothers and Cub Scout leaders.

The guy who wrote the article is probably just trolling, because there is no way he could be so stupid as to believe that the Tea Party movement would become a bunch of statist things and there is no way the many Christians in the Tea Party movement would ally themselves with an anti-Christian group like the Ku Klux Klan.
420 posted on 08/10/2012 8:30:15 PM PDT by af_vet_rr
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To: Chickensoup; CodeToad

There ain’t enough military to find 5,000 Taliban in a desert and mountain country as big as Texas, so there sure ain’t enough drones for the USA by many orders of magnitude.

How does a drone distinguish a hunter with a scoped rifle from a “rebel sniper?” Or does Drone Command order the end of outdoor firearms carry? Really?

How will that work, when 19 million Americans purchase deer hunting stamps each Fall, and sally forth with scoped rifles to slay wily 200-pound mammals? Ban hunting, ban the 2nd Amendment. I’m sure Obama can just issue an Emergency Edict, and we’ll all obey it.

Good luck with that, ‘Rats!


421 posted on 08/10/2012 8:57:17 PM PDT by Travis McGee (www.EnemiesForeignAndDomestic.com)
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To: wintertime
The Chick fil A response should be a warning to all tyrant wannabees.

That we're willing to stand in long lines for food? I think they're already counting on that.

422 posted on 08/10/2012 9:00:24 PM PDT by ponygirl (Be Breitbart.)
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To: null and void

NOTIFICATION!

If I’m not added to the ping list immediately I will report you to the authorities. Lord only know the consequences.

It would be unacceptable to miss another thread like this one.

(Much obliged... ;)


423 posted on 08/10/2012 9:07:51 PM PDT by MV=PY (The Magic Question: Who's paying for it?)
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To: MV=PY

I noticed. You’re here! (And there)


424 posted on 08/10/2012 9:09:54 PM PDT by null and void (Day 1299 of our ObamaVacation from reality - Heroes aren't made Frank, they're cornered...)
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To: af_vet_rr

As a Texan, let me agree with you that whites are not predominant, but if you dont count illegals, that changes the situation. And even Gov Perry was threatening secession a couple of years ago. Texas very well could secede.


425 posted on 08/10/2012 9:42:24 PM PDT by TexConfederate1861 (Deo Vindice (God will vindicate) February 22, 1861)
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To: Travis McGee

This is on Drudge now.


426 posted on 08/11/2012 1:43:46 AM PDT by ebshumidors ( Marksmanship and YOUR heritage http://www.appleseedinfo.org)
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To: cripplecreek

Just give them booklets on the Constitution, problem solve.


427 posted on 08/11/2012 3:07:44 AM PDT by Biggirl ("Jesus talked to us as individuals"-Jim Vicevich/Thanks JimV!)
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To: DuncanWaring
In my English dictionary (ca 1814), the word "regulated" is defined as "Controlled". Every form of regulator, whether law enforcement or controlling the flow of gas, or pressure, does just that: controls.

If you read the supporting discussions in the Federalist Papers, controlling a standing army was discussed at length while discussing whether there should even be a Federal standing Army.

The conclusion was that a small standing army would be overwhelmed by the sheer force of armed citizens with or without martial training, and thus kept in line.

The term "Militia" is defined in the same dictionary as: "the Army, in its entirety."

When the substitutions are made, (remembering the objective is the "security of a free State"), keeping the army controlled by guaranteeing the Right of the People to Keep and Bear Arms, and thus keeping the Federal Government in check was indeed the objective of the Second Amendment, to ensure liberty.

The Third Amendment dealt with another related concern: that of quartering troops within one's home.

Recall, too, that the colonies had been subjected to what amounted to military rule prior to the fight for independence, and the pieces all fall into place.

428 posted on 08/11/2012 3:37:16 AM PDT by Smokin' Joe (How often God must weep at humans' folly. Stand fast. God knows what He is doing)
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To: Travis McGee

Not just numbers but I hardly think we the people that build those drones and other systems would stand by and allow them to be used against us. When we say that we have had enough I can’t imagine an army that could defeat us.


429 posted on 08/11/2012 7:35:44 AM PDT by CodeToad (History says our end is near.)
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To: Travis McGee

“Actually, it would have to rise back UP to an 1800s population.

The massive dislocation die-off might take us well below sustainable 1800s pop. levels.

Since the artificial push to get everyone into the cities, that’s an interesting thought that hasn’t come up in a while. Taxation and voting manipulations have pushed people to get into cities while the rural areas have seen population decreases, not to mention technology means less people needed for farming and ranching while more people were needed in offices and factories.


430 posted on 08/11/2012 7:40:22 AM PDT by CodeToad (History says our end is near.)
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To: Smokin' Joe

Very good post! Perhaps worthy of its own thread?


431 posted on 08/11/2012 8:13:57 AM PDT by null and void (Day 1299 of our ObamaVacation from reality - Heroes aren't made Frank, they're cornered...)
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To: jimjohn
...the rest would just back off and let the military 'restore order'. Always keep in mind the Ace card us bitter-clinger types hold over this government: They need us more than we need them. Think about it. The groups this government panders to these days can't even take care of themselves, let alone the country. If you left them to run free, how long would the infrastructure hold up?

You're right if elites wanted our country to function at the level it's functioning at now. That might not be the case. Elites throughout history want things to work for them, but show little concern for the general population.

Check out Africa - or banana republics - thugs neutralize opposition and plundered what's left. Thugs running countries do well for themselves. They would live well here too - as long as they have theirs - and their power's not threatened. Which is where to repressive force always comes into play...

Think of the poorest countries in the world - their corrupt leaders live like kings...

Our country's broke - but there's much that could be sold off - or lived off of for a long time. Yes, it could happen here. The history of the world tells us democracies like ours are the exception...

432 posted on 08/11/2012 9:03:06 AM PDT by GOPJ (Freeper Neveronmywatch's convinced: Put a compass in the hands of a liberal it'll point south.)
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To: EveningStar

bump


433 posted on 08/11/2012 9:55:17 AM PDT by Mark17 (California, where English is a foreign language)
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To: ChildOfThe60s

[[ My cousin’s son is in the National Guard. He says some of them are *very* concerned they could be ordered to fire on their fellow citizens.........uh, key word being *some*.]]

If it comes to a new civil war, it won’t be a case of the military firing at civilians.

It will be factions of the military firing at each other.

If there ever is an incident of the U.S. military killing Americans en masse, it won’t matter who they are. It will portend the finale of the American experiement, once and for all.


434 posted on 08/11/2012 10:01:02 AM PDT by Road Glide
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To: 98ZJ USMC
The problem with the military is the O-6 and above Command Structure.

Not precisely. The problem is those at the staff colleges that train those officers and develop doctrine.

435 posted on 08/11/2012 1:25:54 PM PDT by archy (I'd give my right arm to be ambidextrous!)
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To: Travis McGee

There ain’t enough military to find 5,000 Taliban in a desert and mountain country as big as Texas, so there sure ain’t enough drones for the USA by many orders of magnitude.

__________________________

Most of us dont live like 5000 Taliban in the desert. We live in houses with addresses ususally readily available on Google. We live quiet lives.


436 posted on 08/11/2012 1:29:49 PM PDT by Chickensoup (STOP The Great O-ppression)
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To: Travis McGee
A CW here would, I think, devolve into a dirty civil war, shades of Argentina, Balkans, some Rwanda, etc. Beyond a horror show.

And it might so totally cripple the economy and delivery systems, that all urban zones explode in uncontainable food riots.

Then Katy Bar the Door, All Bets Are Off.

And Finland. In 4 months in 1918, Finland managed to kill off about 1% of its male population. During the US Civil War of 1861-1865 we managed to knock off around 2% of our own over that 4-year period. The difference was that in Finland, only about 25% were combat deaths. The rest were summary executions, or prisoners dying in the horrid conditions in the PW camps.

If they ave no respect whatsoever for my constitutional rights or the Law of Land Warfare, why should I extend such niceties to those other people.

437 posted on 08/11/2012 3:59:28 PM PDT by archy (I'd give my right arm to be ambidextrous!)
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To: Hokestuk
Huge point, you are saying the war could be won.

Oh yes. Example: On 10th Anniversary Of Murder, FBI Seeks New Clues

438 posted on 08/11/2012 4:05:36 PM PDT by archy (I'd give my right arm to be ambidextrous!)
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To: chessplayer
U.S. troops firing on citizens? Not that far fetched.

Indeed.

439 posted on 08/11/2012 4:09:51 PM PDT by archy (I'd give my right arm to be ambidextrous!)
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To: Noumenon

Thanks for the ping to your essay. I hope you have not given up on your book project.


440 posted on 08/11/2012 9:53:28 PM PDT by SaraJohnson
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To: null and void

If you don’t add me to your ping list, you lizard-lipped, frog-headed beast, i’ll camp out on the Abuse button and scream how you’re mistreating me. Then I’ll call my lawyer.

:)


441 posted on 08/14/2012 6:15:46 PM PDT by Nita Nupress
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To: Nita Nupress

You leave me little option but to add you to my list, ma’am...


442 posted on 08/14/2012 6:24:41 PM PDT by null and void (Day 1303 of our ObamaVacation from reality - Heroes aren't made Frank, they're cornered...)
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To: TexConfederate1861
As a Texan, let me agree with you that whites are not predominant, but if you dont count illegals, that changes the situation. And even Gov Perry was threatening secession a couple of years ago. Texas very well could secede.

He didn't threaten secession, he played the consummate politician, pretended to agree with some people talking about secession, and then issued a denial through the Governor's office stating that he would never support secession.

This is what he originally said in April of 2009 that made gullible people think he actually supports secession:

There's a lot of different scenarios. Texas is a unique place. When we came into the union in 1845, one of the issues was that we would be able to leave if we decided to do that.... My hope is that America, and Washington in particular, will pay attention. We've got a great union. There's absolutely no reason to dissolve it. But if Washington continues to thumb their nose at the American people, who knows what may come of that? But Texas is a very unique place, and a pretty independent lot to boot.

This is what he the said after being questioned about it: http://governor.state.tx.us/news/editorial/12389/

About a month ago, I stood with a bipartisan group of Texas legislators to speak in support of a resolution honoring the 10th Amendment to the U.S. Constitution. The resolution simply restates the Constitution's principle of Federalism, that powers not granted to the national government nor prohibited to the states are reserved to the states or the people.

At a time when the federal government is passing trillion-dollar bailouts, bullying states to increase taxes and bureaucracies, and even taking control of private companies, Americans are increasingly reconnecting with the concept of limited government contained in that amendment.

I can’t say I was surprised that critics worked so hard to recast my defense of federalism and fiscal discipline into advocacy for secession from the Union. Of course, I have never advocated for secession and never will.


Hopefully you as a Texan know that Perry will say whatever he can to please whatever crowd he is in front of, only to walk it back later on if he gets any pressure on it. There is a reason why he is called Slick Rick.
443 posted on 08/17/2012 2:42:01 PM PDT by af_vet_rr
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To: af_vet_rr

or Gov.”Good Hair” I still believe if the stuff hits the fan, Texas will leave......


444 posted on 08/21/2012 9:17:16 PM PDT by TexConfederate1861 (Deo Vindice (God will vindicate) February 22, 1861)
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