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Male Couples Face Pressure To Fill Cradles
New York Times ^ | August 9, 2012 | RACHEL L. SWARNS

Posted on 08/09/2012 6:58:41 PM PDT by reaganaut1

WASHINGTON — When the jubilant couple were wed in June, they exchanged personalized vows and titanium rings, cheered the heartfelt toasts and danced themselves breathless. Then, as the evening was winding down, unexpected questions started popping up.

One after another, their guests began asking: Are you going to have kids? When are you going to have kids?

Tom Lotito and Matt Hay, both 26, could not help but feel moved. They never imagined as teenagers that they would ever get married, much less that friends and family members would pester them about having children.

“It’s another way that I feel like what we have is valid in the eyes of other people,” said Mr. Hay, who married Mr. Lotito in June before 133 guests.

As lawmakers and courts expand the legal definition of the American family, same-sex couples are beginning to feel the same what-about-children pressure that heterosexual twosomes have long felt.

For some couples, it is another welcome sign of their increasing inclusion in the American mainstream. But for others, who hear the persistent questions at the office, dinner parties and family get-togethers, the matter can be far more complicated.

Many gay men had resigned themselves to the idea that they would never be accepted by society as loving parents and assumed they would never have children. They grieved that loss and moved on, even as other gay men and lesbians fully embraced childless lives. So the questions can unearth bittersweet feelings and cause deep divisions within a couple over whether to have children at all, now that parenting among same-sex couples is becoming more common.

The process can be also daunting logistically and financially, as would-be parents wrestle with whether to adopt or use a surrogate.

(Excerpt) Read more at nytimes.com ...


TOPICS: Culture/Society
KEYWORDS: antifamily; barf; homosexualadoption; homosexualagenda; recruitingchildren; rkselection; unnatural
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The process is usually not so "daunting" for a man and woman. Normal sex results in the creation of life. Sodomy results in AIDS and other diseases. Not long ago these observations were common sense.
1 posted on 08/09/2012 6:58:46 PM PDT by reaganaut1
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To: reaganaut1

No, they are not going to have kids. What kind of an idiot would ask two men that question?


2 posted on 08/09/2012 7:00:11 PM PDT by calex59
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To: reaganaut1

The world is upside down.


3 posted on 08/09/2012 7:01:53 PM PDT by ilovesarah2012
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To: calex59

Why not ask if they`re going to have kittens?


4 posted on 08/09/2012 7:02:46 PM PDT by nomad
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To: reaganaut1
One after another, their guests began asking: Are you going to have kids?

Wow, I knew education was in decline in America, but I had no clue it was THIS bad...

5 posted on 08/09/2012 7:02:57 PM PDT by Random_User_250 ("Democracy is indispensable to socialism." -- Vladimir Lenin)
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To: reaganaut1

“One after another, their guests began asking: Are you going to have kids? When are you going to have kids? “

...so, they invited a bunch of pedophiles to their “wedding”...

Why am I not surprised?


6 posted on 08/09/2012 7:03:36 PM PDT by ne1410s ("We will not tolerate your intolerance!!!" ...huh?)
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7 posted on 08/09/2012 7:04:27 PM PDT by narses
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To: ne1410s

Beat me to it. Sounds like a lot of perverts trying to be first in line to baby-sit.


8 posted on 08/09/2012 7:05:11 PM PDT by ClearCase_guy (Roger Taney? Not a bad Chief Justice. John Roberts? A really awful Chief Justice.)
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To: reaganaut1
Not long ago, the idea that there is something wrong with "bug chasing" and "gift giving" were also common sense. How did we get to this point?

And why?

9 posted on 08/09/2012 7:06:05 PM PDT by TwelveOfTwenty (Ho, ho, hey, hey, I'm BUYcotting Chick-Fil-A)
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To: reaganaut1
When are you going to have kids?

When you come to your senses and marry a young lady.

10 posted on 08/09/2012 7:06:31 PM PDT by Colonel Kangaroo
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To: reaganaut1

Where’s the barf alert?


11 posted on 08/09/2012 7:07:11 PM PDT by Albion Wilde (Liberty means responsibility. That is why most men dread it. -- George Bernard Shaw)
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To: reaganaut1

Heather has two screwed up Mommies.


12 posted on 08/09/2012 7:07:38 PM PDT by Huskrrrr
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To: reaganaut1
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13 posted on 08/09/2012 7:08:27 PM PDT by barmag25
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To: reaganaut1

The probability of two men having kids: zero.

The probability of two men having a real wedding: zero.

The probability of these men having flings with others: over 95%.

Why is anyone celebrating this ceremony?


14 posted on 08/09/2012 7:09:19 PM PDT by Pollster1 (Freedom is never more than one generation away from extinction. - Ronald Reagan)
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To: calex59

Of course not.

But hey, the libtards keep saying 2 faggots are “normal”. If they’re normal, how come they can’t have kids? This is like squeezing orange juice from a boulder.


15 posted on 08/09/2012 7:09:36 PM PDT by max americana (Make the world a better place by punching a liberal in the face)
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To: reaganaut1

The question of marriage was settled many thousands of years ago and it hasn’t changed. It is one man and one woman making a lifetime commitment.


16 posted on 08/09/2012 7:10:46 PM PDT by jimbobfoster
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To: Pollster1

What kind of FREAK asks when two queers will “pro-create?”

The same kind that celebrates their “marriage”, I suppose.


17 posted on 08/09/2012 7:11:05 PM PDT by workerbee (June 28, 2012 -- 9/11 From Within)
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To: reaganaut1

Two men pressured into filling a cradle? Disastrous. Awful. This is the height of absurdity.


18 posted on 08/09/2012 7:11:30 PM PDT by scottjewell
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To: reaganaut1

Where is the projectile vomit warning on this tread?


19 posted on 08/09/2012 7:12:14 PM PDT by JaguarXKE (If my Fluffy had a puppy, it would look like the puppy Obama ate!)
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To: Random_User_250

yes, it’s that bad, because these “friends” are imbeciles for even asking an idiotic question like that.

If fags can have kids, then that’s the time I sh*t dollar bills out of my ass.


20 posted on 08/09/2012 7:12:59 PM PDT by max americana (Make the world a better place by punching a liberal in the face)
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To: nomad

That’s certainly a much better choice.


21 posted on 08/09/2012 7:13:38 PM PDT by Past Your Eyes (What if there is no tomorrow? There wasn't one today.)
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To: reaganaut1

Maybe a baby will grow in Tom’s tummy.


22 posted on 08/09/2012 7:13:58 PM PDT by Mr Ramsbotham (Laws against sodomy are honored in the breech.)
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To: reaganaut1

On one hand, a baby adopted is a baby not killed through adoption.

On the other hand is a baby raised by two males with one common set of family instincts.

There just may be a reason that hetero couples have two sets of instincts when it comes to baby-raising.


23 posted on 08/09/2012 7:14:20 PM PDT by DBrow
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To: reaganaut1

There is a same sex parent child issue case going on right now in Vermont. Google “Ken Miller trial”.


24 posted on 08/09/2012 7:14:56 PM PDT by BDR
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To: reaganaut1
On what planet do the America hating nuts at the NY slimes live ?
is there any way to push the island of Manhattan with all these nuts nuts including the fox new lefties out into the north Atlantic ?
25 posted on 08/09/2012 7:17:02 PM PDT by ncalburt (NO MORE WIMPS need to apply to fight the Soros Funded Puppet !H)
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I guess a lot of straight assholes are interested in this outrageous, destructive experiment.


26 posted on 08/09/2012 7:17:24 PM PDT by Gene Eric (Demoralization is a weapon of the enemy. Don't get it, don't spread it!)
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To: reaganaut1
Are you going to have kids?


27 posted on 08/09/2012 7:19:30 PM PDT by Dan Zachary
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To: reaganaut1

Evil


28 posted on 08/09/2012 7:20:18 PM PDT by petitfour
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To: reaganaut1

What a sick,sad situation in which to bring an innocent child. Same sex couples are too selfish in promoting their fantasies to consider the toll their lifestyle will take on a child.

I am gong to sign off for a couple days. I am on nausea overlaod here.


29 posted on 08/09/2012 7:22:40 PM PDT by ruesrose (It's possible to be clueless without being blonde.)
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To: Gene Eric

“I guess a lot of straight assholes are interested in this outrageous, destructive experiment.”

Yes. They support and promote it. The lunacy helps their decadent and selfish culture flourish.


30 posted on 08/09/2012 7:23:39 PM PDT by scottjewell
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To: reaganaut1

Tom and Matt are a genetic dead end, and they need to accept this fact. Do not look look for a woman as a surrogate mother Tom and Matt, as statistically you two will be separated within a few years anyway, assuming you don’t succumb to disease first.


31 posted on 08/09/2012 7:24:12 PM PDT by factoryrat (We are the producers, the creators. Grow it, mine it, build it.)
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To: Mr Ramsbotham

I am still looking through my high school biology text to see if
“fertilized excrement” can render life.
Nope, it requires a female ovum.
Oh well, back to the reality of the natural order.


32 posted on 08/09/2012 7:24:33 PM PDT by stanley windrush
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To: reaganaut1
Where was the MEGABARF ALERT ?
33 posted on 08/09/2012 7:25:24 PM PDT by lightman (One of the marks of the Beast is a white lower case "F" on blue rounded corner square.)
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To: reaganaut1

34 posted on 08/09/2012 7:26:21 PM PDT by KentTrappedInLiberalSeattle ("If you're not fiscally AND socially conservative, you're not conservative!" - Jim Robinson, 9-1-10)
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To: calex59
What kind of an idiot would ask two men that question?

Here in Texas we call them FREAKS.

35 posted on 08/09/2012 7:27:32 PM PDT by unixfox (Abolish Slavery, Repeal The 16th Amendment!)
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To: reaganaut1
You want to fill the cradles? Try taking your manhood, such as it is, to the Altar of Venus and eschew the Altar of Sodom. Your "lifestyle" is repellant, unhygienic and intrinsically evil. Cadres of celebrities, academicians, and politicians cannot make a practice that is perverted in the eyes of the Lord into an acceptable mode of of human conduct. It was evil in the days of Sodom and Gomorrah and it remains evil today. The punishment exacted in the Old Testament was severe and the consequences of today's depredations will be similarly severe.

Aside from notions of good and evil, this poster maintains that general acceptance of open homosexuality is a classic characteristic of a civilization in decay. We are in decay, and the Kenyan-in-Chief and his henchmen are quite happy to preside over the decline and fall of the American Nation.

May our Dear Lord grant us the strength and Grace to prevail against these minions of Satan and restore our Nation to Greatness!



Genuflectimus non ad principem sed ad Principem Pacis!

Listen, O isles, unto me; and hearken, ye people, from far; The LORD hath called me from the womb; from the bowels of my mother hath he made mention of my name. (Isaiah 49:1 KJV)

36 posted on 08/09/2012 7:30:55 PM PDT by ConorMacNessa (HM/2 USN, 3/5 Marines RVN 1969 - St. Michael the Archangel defend us in Battle!)
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To: reaganaut1
They never imagined as teenagers that they would ever get married, much less that friends and family members would pester them about having children.

ROFL! Their friends and family must be as dumb as they are ... they CAN'T have children!!!

37 posted on 08/09/2012 7:31:13 PM PDT by usconservative (When The Ballot Box No Longer Counts, The Ammunition Box Does. (What's In Your Ammo Box?))
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To: reaganaut1
Are you going to have kids? When are you going to have kids?

I am pretty sure that in all the history of this planet, there has never been any living thing that has resulted from homosexual sex. Not one single thing. And yet, people in NYTimes-land seem to think otherwise.

Oh, thats right ... what they meant is, "will you find a surrogate female who is willing to be fertilized in a lab and carry the resultant offspring to term, then find a "family friendly" court to allow said offspring to be adopted by two buggering males in their 20's?"

38 posted on 08/09/2012 7:32:35 PM PDT by spodefly (This is my tag line. There are many like it, but this one is mine.)
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To: reaganaut1


39 posted on 08/09/2012 7:34:16 PM PDT by Iron Munro ("Jiggle the Handle for Barry!")
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To: Random_User_250

Yes-—and how EVIL—to destroy the chance for a child to be raised by his mother.

Think about it. With me—I couldn’t image my life without my father AND my mother. They gave me meaning (and unconditional love—both maternal and paternal—both necessary to be able to emotionally connect and be successful in all types of natural relationships as an adult.

With biology you get a connection to the past and future-—when I married and had children. It is the Law of Nature-and makes life meaningful-as God Designed—the teleological end creates the most happiness for both the natures of women and men—long term happiness. Any other hedonist acts—usually destroy long term happiness.

Biology gives those children a rich history where they can truly understand themselves in ways which not knowing their biological family prevents. Sperm donor children when grown—most were desperate to find their “biological” father. It is an innate desire—to know your genetic history.

Marx wanted to destroy all biological attachments— so loyalty never goes to your relatives-—it goes to the State. Biology—esp. the mother/child bond is extremely strong and families are the most likely to have support of each other to oppose the state. Artificial family units—not with a man and woman—will pervert the reality of any child—being sexist—where their world is warped so they will not be able to function in a more normal way with all human beings. Especially intimacy will be perverted. It can not be normal—because they don’t have “normal” modeled at the crucial formative years.

The agitprop to get mothers to desert and kill their own offspring has been ongoing for decades—the BF Skinner conditioning through textbooks and TV, since the Feminist movement. It is conditioning so women will be okay with giving their children away to the State. Abortion/daycare destroys maternal instincts and that connection needed for bonding and Trust.

Normalization of anything—is easy if you get the children while young. It creates the Worldview-—like the world when slavery and pederasty and homosexuality were “normal”. It took generations of education and Christian Ethics to rid the world of that slavery and pederasty and homosexuality—the ideas that they are”Good” and “NORMAL”.

Now, with technology (TV and the centralized school system)-—they are able to “Normalize” anything in one generation. Even in less time, since they are destroying the minds of children through cognitive dissonance in the schools and with drugs and sex ed.


40 posted on 08/09/2012 7:36:36 PM PDT by savagesusie (Right Reason According to Nature = Just Law)
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To: reaganaut1

I wonder if obamacare covers all of the invitro/surrugate costs for them to impregnate one of their lesbo or otherwise friends... yet. It is reproductive healthcare as the only way for them to reproduce “naturally.” I just threw up a little.


41 posted on 08/09/2012 7:38:54 PM PDT by Dosa26
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To: reaganaut1
"Imagine an America without gays and lesbians."

Gays "are becoming more numerous because I think ALL Democrats are 'softening', and all Democrats will one day be at least partially gay or lesbian. Democrats are all becoming bisexuals.

That's the ultimate goal of the political wing of the militant gay ideologues; a wave that is now close to cresting; to make their aberrant behaviors the new normal...a complete takeover of America's morals and values by way of enforced political correctness.

Religions will have to go or be absorbed to the New Normal. So, Dan Cathy, you represent what might be the 'last stand' against the encroaching deviance. Good for you!

You are a Good Man.

So, what will this country look like when gays and Democrats (same animals, really) win, take over? Certainly we will have nice [storfront] window dressings!"


42 posted on 08/09/2012 7:41:21 PM PDT by Iron Munro ("Jiggle the Handle for Barry!")
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I wonder why they don’t just use a regular sized bed...but if a cradle is what they need .....


43 posted on 08/09/2012 7:42:35 PM PDT by ThePatriotsFlag (The hotter the TEA, the stronger......and I'm boiling!)
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To: Iron Munro

When it becomes normal or accepted, you will see a lot of them change their mind. Many are doing it just to be different and stand out in the crowd. Being “normal” will take all that fun out of it for them.


44 posted on 08/09/2012 7:47:48 PM PDT by Dan Zachary
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To: reaganaut1

The whole concept of 2 members of the same gender “thinking” that they can raise children is, well, obscene! Equally obscene is the LGBT crowd and those who support this public monstrosity, who push for equal rights based solely perverted sexual tendencies. I am a heterosexual who thinks that we need our own special affirmative action designator.


45 posted on 08/09/2012 7:52:15 PM PDT by Fully Awake DAV (Navy Vet when homosexuality was not tolerated)
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To: ConorMacNessa

Great post and so very true. Homos & lesbians are the lowest form of degeneracy as pointed out in Romans 1:18-32, when God gives them over to their own reprobate desires, to enter into unnatural affections, men with men and women with women, doing those things which are an abomination & reprehensible. They will be judged and destroyed as a result of their sexual perversions.


46 posted on 08/09/2012 7:53:16 PM PDT by rcrngroup
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To: ConorMacNessa

Great post and so very true. Homos & lesbians are the lowest form of degeneracy as pointed out in Romans 1:18-32, when God gives them over to their own reprobate desires, to enter into unnatural affections, men with men and women with women, doing those things which are an abomination & reprehensible. They will be judged and destroyed as a result of their sexual perversions.


47 posted on 08/09/2012 7:54:11 PM PDT by rcrngroup
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To: calex59
What kind of an idiot would ask two men that question?

Several decades ago, I took special note when I happened to hear a woman lament the restrictions imposed on herself by "an accident of biology". Straight away I thought, "An accident of biology !?!?! An accident of biology !?!?!" Of course I said nothing. You get the picture.

But this is it. This explains everything.

48 posted on 08/09/2012 7:57:53 PM PDT by dr_lew
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To: reaganaut1

They shouldn’t be asked, “When are you going to have kids?”.. they should be asked, “When are you going to make sure some poor, innocent child(ren) is motherless for life??”


49 posted on 08/09/2012 8:00:19 PM PDT by Reddy (B.O. stinks)
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To: calex59

No, they are not going to have kids. What kind of an idiot would ask two men that question?


Exactly. Only a person totally bereft of common sense would ask that.


50 posted on 08/09/2012 8:00:19 PM PDT by rbg81
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