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NBC News: Paul Ryan is Romney VP choice
WEAU.com ^ | 8/11/12 | WEAU staff

Posted on 08/10/2012 9:53:45 PM PDT by Brandonmark

UPDATE:: NBC News has three sources telling the network that Rep. Paul Ryan, (R) Wisconsin, is Mitt Romney's choice for Vice President.

Also the National Review reports the following: Earlier today, a charter plane took off in Boston, stopped in Chicago, then flew to the tiny airport in Janesville, Wis. Janesville, of course, is the hometown of Representative Paul Ryan, a top vice-presidential contender.

(Excerpt) Read more at weau.com ...


TOPICS: Breaking News; Government; News/Current Events; Politics/Elections; US: Virginia; US: Wisconsin
KEYWORDS: 2012veep; mittromney; paulryan; ryan; ryan2012; ryanvp; virginia; vp; vpryan; wisconsin
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To: JediJones
The only way Obama loses is if head wins out over heart with the electorate. There is no politician who can out-charisma Obama with the general public short of the second coming of Reagan.

I think his charisma is 3.5 years past its expiration date. And his spectacularly negative campaign will underscore the fact that he is not a nice guy, first impressions notwithstanding, that he is merely a Chicago thug with a funny name and an uncommonly interesting background (as far as it's even known).

So I think putting a recognizably strong intellect on the ticket is the right way to go.

Absolutely.

Romney has got to put forward a vision and a plan. It's not enough to say, Obama drove us into the ditch, and I'm the better driver to get us out (because I made a gazillion at Bain and fixed the SLC Olympics). He has to explain why. Figuring out the why has been Ryan's avocation since entering the House.

151 posted on 08/11/2012 12:04:08 AM PDT by cynwoody
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To: DJlaysitup

“relaxation of student loan debt” so students can focus on those jobs they don’t have?


152 posted on 08/11/2012 12:04:18 AM PDT by GeorgeWashingtonsGhost
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To: DJlaysitup

BS pal. Obama is damaged goods, and it’s fire sale time.

I suggest you tune in for Jimmuh Carter’s speech at the democrat convention. Take notes. There will be a test.


153 posted on 08/11/2012 12:04:40 AM PDT by glock rocks (optimist / pessimist? I'm an awesomist - There's a dragon in that glass!)
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To: tsowellfan

One drawback is it sounds like Ryan is up for reelection this year. So is he going to have to withdraw or will he pull a Biden and stay on both ballots? Then if he loses the White House run, that means we’d be without Ryan in government at all to help counter Obama for the next 4 years. Boy would that suck. No chance for him in the Wisconsin Senate either. They have an open seat also up for election this year, and a Republican holds the other seat through 2016.


154 posted on 08/11/2012 12:07:25 AM PDT by JediJones (From the makers of Romney, Bloomberg/Schwarzenegger 2016. Because the GOP can never go too far left.)
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To: driftdiver

Not true... Paul Ryan is a good guy. Definitely not perfect, but better than the majority of others Romney could have picked.


155 posted on 08/11/2012 12:08:37 AM PDT by LibertyRocks
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To: tsowellfan

You give a good summary of Rubio’s appearance of scandal. Zer0’s Chicago tactics is to take out the opposition with the skeletons in their closet.


156 posted on 08/11/2012 12:09:22 AM PDT by jonrick46 (Countdown to 11-06-2012)
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To: DJlaysitup
Ryan isn't the worst pick..but not sexy at all

Who cares whether or not Ryan is sexy? This VP pick isn't for a calender photo shoot.

157 posted on 08/11/2012 12:09:39 AM PDT by Isabel C.
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To: JediJones

Good point, those aren’t his areas.

I’m sure he’ll go to school on those, particular to face Biden. Biden is a foreign policy expert, y’know. :)

I would hope he reminds America that Biden has been wrong about every major foreign policy issue in his long career.

Anyway, I looked up a speech of his on foreign policy, in general.

Here’s an excerpt from an American Spectator article that includes a transcript of the full speech:
http://www.weeklystandard.com/blogs/ryan-embraces-exceptionalism-rejects-isolationism-foreign-policy-speech_573194.html?nopager=1

“A world without U.S. leadership will be a more chaotic place,” Ryan said. “A place where we have less influence, and a place where our citizens face more dangers and fewer opportunities. Take a moment and imagine a world led by China and Russia.”

Ryan spoke at length about American exceptionalism as it relates to America’s role in the world. “America is an idea,” he said. “And it was the first nation founded as such. The idea is rather simple. Our rights come to us from God and nature. They occur naturally, before government.”

This belief in the American idea, Ryan said, should inform the nation’s foreign policy. “Now, if you believe these rights are universal human rights, then that clearly forms the basis of your views on foreign policy,” he said. “It leads you to reject moral relativism. It causes you to recoil at the idea of presistent moral indifference toward any nation that stifles and denies liberty, no matter how friendly and accommodating its rules are to American interests.”


158 posted on 08/11/2012 12:10:50 AM PDT by D-fendr (Deus non alligatur sacramentis sed nos alligamur.)
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To: haircutter
with these remarks from me I will now sign off

Please don't do that. You did good. You dealt with a nutter most admirably!

159 posted on 08/11/2012 12:12:23 AM PDT by cynwoody
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To: cynwoody
I think his charisma is 3.5 years past its expiration date. And his spectacularly negative campaign will underscore the fact that he is not a nice guy

It's just never going to happen that the general public will lean towards saying Obama is not a nice guy. It would take a couple of Mel Gibson or Michael Richards-style rants caught on hidden camera to make that happen. Obama will not lose this election on the issue of likability and wouldn't have no matter who we nominated. But he can lose it on issues of competence and vision.

160 posted on 08/11/2012 12:13:00 AM PDT by JediJones (From the makers of Romney, Bloomberg/Schwarzenegger 2016. Because the GOP can never go too far left.)
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To: montanajoe; All

Watching MSNBC right now (shoot me), they made a good point about his intellectual skills and being an ideas man.

I wonder if Romney is looking for a Reaganesque figure here. If so, Ryan may be a great person for that.


161 posted on 08/11/2012 12:13:08 AM PDT by rwfromkansas ("Carve your name on hearts, not marble." - C.H. Spurgeon)
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To: newheart

Agreed. Ryan was asking a lot of good questions during the Obamacare hearings way back when... So good that we got one of those pictures of Obama “being bored/holding up his middle finger”. That alone should rock him a bit. I only hope that SOMEONE will bring up Fast & Furious, the “secret” support of the Muslim Brotherhood, etc... We NEED for the country to know these things. We also NEED the country to know that Obama is NOT who he appears to be.


162 posted on 08/11/2012 12:13:37 AM PDT by LibertyRocks
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To: JediJones

Yes. I did not know all you just said but I did have mixed feelings about him possibly being chosen as the VP. I’m not upset, just mixed feelings.

You think there’s a way he save his seat while running with Romney? Either way we don’t want to lose his seat to a dem.


163 posted on 08/11/2012 12:13:57 AM PDT by tsowellfan
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To: OKIEDOC

Bingo. The ABRs are selfish self centered and delusional.


164 posted on 08/11/2012 12:14:48 AM PDT by GlockThe Vote (The Obama Adminstration: 2nd wave of attacks on America after 9/11)
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To: JediJones

Yes, Jedi, I think it is very correct to say he is vigorously pro-life.

The short clip I linked to earlier shows this and that he knows the left’s tactics of trotting out their useful idiots. Worth a watch:

Paul Ryan/Wasserman-Schultz in Obamacare Debate
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u45IETzTqqQ&feature=related


165 posted on 08/11/2012 12:15:01 AM PDT by D-fendr (Deus non alligatur sacramentis sed nos alligamur.)
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To: montanajoe

I wish that were possible, but until it is... I’ve been down the 3rd party road - I actually started there. The only way to change it is from the inside, IMO. Change the things you are able to change. Stem the blood flow when you can.


166 posted on 08/11/2012 12:18:09 AM PDT by LibertyRocks
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To: tsowellfan

>>”Paul Ryan was one of those I hoped would run for President in 2012.”

Me too. Ryan and DeMint and, heck, some others I didn’t know much about... We had such a weak field and so little bench strength. A golden opportunity with this election, but...

Oh, well. You fight with the army you have.

I’m glad it’s Ryan, but I’m even more glad I didn’t have to make the decision for VP. We don’t know how this will turn out in the end, but I’m glad to have Ryan at the bat for us.


167 posted on 08/11/2012 12:19:59 AM PDT by D-fendr (Deus non alligatur sacramentis sed nos alligamur.)
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To: D-fendr

It’s funny, looking at Ryan’s text in print from various articles, I could easily mistake all of it as stuff that Newt Gingrich said. Which is a very, very good thing. They both seem to be as strong on big visionary ideas as they are on practical policy details. Which still seems like a very rare combination in a politician.


168 posted on 08/11/2012 12:20:08 AM PDT by JediJones (From the makers of Romney, Bloomberg/Schwarzenegger 2016. Because the GOP can never go too far left.)
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To: montanajoe

If conservatives want to eliminate the cancer infecting both parties they need to learn how to persuade voters, not just complaining and play victims like liberals do.


169 posted on 08/11/2012 12:20:57 AM PDT by paudio (Two stubborn facts remain: (1) Romney is better than 0bama, and (2) Romney is the Republican Nominee)
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To: tsowellfan
You think there’s a way he save his seat while running with Romney? Either way we don’t want to lose his seat to a dem.

Might depend what the rules in Wisconsin are. If he wins his seat and the Presidential election, who gets to appoint his replacement if he resigns from the House? It also depends if Wisconsin law allows him to be on the ballot for two different positions at the same time. Delaware law allowed Biden to do so. He won both elections and was sworn in as Senator before resigning several days later to be sworn in as V.P. Maybe Wisconsin would end up having a special election if Ryan won but resigned the seat?

In late August 2008, he was picked by Obama to be his running mate. Biden nevertheless continued to run for Senate re-election as well as Vice President,[104] as permitted by Delaware state law.[46] On November 4, 2008, Biden was re-elected as senator, in addition to winning the vice presidency.[105]

Delaware's Democratic governor, Ruth Ann Minner, announced on November 24, 2008, that she would appoint Biden's longtime senior adviser Ted Kaufman to succeed Biden in the Senate.[109]

170 posted on 08/11/2012 12:26:13 AM PDT by JediJones (From the makers of Romney, Bloomberg/Schwarzenegger 2016. Because the GOP can never go too far left.)
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To: JediJones

I got the same impression. I think what it is is similar to Reagan - and I don’t mean to compare them in other areas.

Reagan had studied and gone so deep on the issues and developed his core beliefs and was able to translate them into policy, they were all of a piece to him: personal beliefs/government policy.

My favorite example is when Reagan was asked his views on the Cold War and said: “We win; they lose.”

Now this was at the time when the popular zeitgeist was we could get along and co-exist. Reagan disagreed and summarized his core policy immediately and in four words.

I’m comparing Reagan, and Newt, and Ryan in the way you mention: vision and practical mesh. I think that only happens when a man is a thoroughly integrated political personality. He doesn’t have to think about what would be the right approach on this or the other, it all flows from who they are.

Sorry for the length, but this is an important decision; I’m praying for our nation.


171 posted on 08/11/2012 12:33:54 AM PDT by D-fendr (Deus non alligatur sacramentis sed nos alligamur.)
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To: newheart

BRAVO! I love your message. And I will pass it on to every one I run into who sings that same ole “I won’t vote for Romney” song.


172 posted on 08/11/2012 12:49:12 AM PDT by itssme
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To: bcsco
Don't forget the trolls, the oboma/soros operatives who like to gum up the works with their “anti-Romney” rants.
173 posted on 08/11/2012 12:52:41 AM PDT by itssme
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To: Brandonmark

This is a very high risk/high reward pick. Either Romney, Ryan, and the Republicans will successfully sell the Ryan Budget and deliver a crushing blow to Obama and the Dems, or Obama succeeds in demagogueing it and the crushing blow will be dealt to us.

The stakes of this election have just been raised. Big time.


174 posted on 08/11/2012 1:28:21 AM PDT by PAConservative1
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To: Brandonmark

Ryan’s in, I’m in!

Good choice!


175 posted on 08/11/2012 1:31:54 AM PDT by meyer (It's 1860 all over again - the taxpayer is the new "N" word)
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To: Salvation

Not good enough for the holier than thou 100/100 types or nothing around here.


176 posted on 08/11/2012 1:48:08 AM PDT by GlockThe Vote (The Obama Adminstration: 2nd wave of attacks on America after 9/11)
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To: mojitojoe

Let me get this right. You t5hink Ryan was a bad choice and cite as proof the DU?

This is a joke....right?


177 posted on 08/11/2012 1:58:26 AM PDT by beenaround
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To: nutmeg

They would have done the same no matter who was the choice. I vividly recall the laughter and snide remarks when Reagan was nominated back in 1980. If it were Rubio they would have pounded on the scandal over the use of credit cards even though he was exonerated.

All the libs would care about is the accusation and they would have played it up for all it was worth.


178 posted on 08/11/2012 2:02:25 AM PDT by beenaround
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To: montanajoe

Whew! That was a close one.


179 posted on 08/11/2012 2:14:17 AM PDT by torchthemummy (Calvin Coolidge - "Patriotism is looking out for yourself by looking out for your Country.")
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To: mojitojoe

You are correct. He has shown zero evidence of any above average intelligence and I am amazed at the number of people here who because the media pounds it out daily, believe he is intelligent and a wonderful speaker.


180 posted on 08/11/2012 2:15:39 AM PDT by beenaround
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To: DJlaysitup
OK, Ok, ok...Ryan isn't the worst pick..but not sexy at all...plus he has negatives. At least he is conservative fiscally (which I LOVE). Just hand out free Mary-Jane the day of the election to keep the youngsters out or we will get killed.

The two most powerful attributes of Ryan is 1- he has an great ability to take the mundane and make it understandable and relevant AND 2- he's likeable by a majority of people's standards.

181 posted on 08/11/2012 2:22:07 AM PDT by torchthemummy (Calvin Coolidge - "Patriotism is looking out for yourself by looking out for your Country.")
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To: montanajoe

who did you volunteer for during the primary? Name the candidate.

To you and all of the “they’re not conservative enough” whiners here, YOU didn’t work hard enough for your candidate during the primaries.

Paul Ryan is an excellent choice for VP. If you wanted a different presidential candidate, you should have worked harder for him or her. It’s easy to sit behind a computer and complain, it’s harder to actually do something.


182 posted on 08/11/2012 2:31:53 AM PDT by swpa_mom
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To: Marcella

Oh, yeah. That’s the plan. Snort.


183 posted on 08/11/2012 2:34:45 AM PDT by torchthemummy (Calvin Coolidge - "Patriotism is looking out for yourself by looking out for your Country.")
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To: itssme
There are plenty of sleeper trolls on this site IMO. They hide behind their long ago registration dates and are the first ones to play the “N00B” card if you disagree with what they say.
184 posted on 08/11/2012 2:35:18 AM PDT by beenaround
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To: swpa_mom

Rverybody here touting Rubio needs to remember that he rolls with mccain and graham. Think about that.


185 posted on 08/11/2012 2:36:59 AM PDT by MestaMachine (obama kills)
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To: MestaMachine

Rverybody
Everybody


186 posted on 08/11/2012 2:38:44 AM PDT by MestaMachine (obama kills)
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To: newheart; montanajoe
Blame Shame Flame or Beg I wont be voting for R/R........

Barry, Michelle, Sasha, Malia, Harry, Nancy, and Valerie all thank you. And Mr. Soros sends his regards.

So do Eric, Kathleen, Timothy, Janet, and countless czars.

187 posted on 08/11/2012 2:45:01 AM PDT by prairiebreeze (Don't be afraid to see what you see. -- Ronald Reagan)
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To: mojitojoe

Please! According to you posting preferences, if Romney had chosen the perfect VP - he would still be wrong. To claim that a Ryan choice means Romney and Co. was trying to lose is...well...just particularly astute...or stupid.


188 posted on 08/11/2012 2:51:16 AM PDT by torchthemummy (Calvin Coolidge - "Patriotism is looking out for yourself by looking out for your Country.")
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To: BuckeyeTexan
"...but they sure won’t want a dissertation on macroeconomics from here until Nov. 6th.Then they don't want a sovereign nation.
189 posted on 08/11/2012 3:00:15 AM PDT by torchthemummy (Calvin Coolidge - "Patriotism is looking out for yourself by looking out for your Country.")
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To: DJlaysitup

Elizabeth Warren is already campaigning on student loan forgiveness in the MA Senate race w Scott Brown. Warren seems to be the bell weather for which way Obama will head; she also was first to say ‘You didn’t build that!’.


190 posted on 08/11/2012 3:14:39 AM PDT by golas1964 (Obama must be defeated in 2012)
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To: mojitojoe
Huge mistake.... HUGE.... if this is true....

I don't think this would be the worst choice for vp, but I agree that from here in the stands it's looking pretty boring.

Romney and his people are going to have to work on that.

I believe folks would find a way to praise anyone Romney picked.

With the alternative they're facing, many would cheer on a cardboard cut out for the election.
And they will.
191 posted on 08/11/2012 3:18:10 AM PDT by novemberslady
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To: Brandonmark

Someone’s thread last night called it for Ryan; can’t remember who.


192 posted on 08/11/2012 3:20:21 AM PDT by carriage_hill (Harry Reid [PERVERT-NV] has Vickie-the-goat in lingerie and stiletto heels, tied-up in his office.)
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To: rawhide

Blame Shame Flame or Beg I wont be voting for R/R..

‘Who are you voting for?’

A TOASTER OVEN....BWAHAHAAH

‘Blame Shame Flame’
o my godddd ding dang dong...North of Missoula is the largest population of nesting common loons in the western United States.


193 posted on 08/11/2012 3:20:53 AM PDT by jimsin (S)
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To: Salvation
WHAT A GUY!
194 posted on 08/11/2012 3:23:24 AM PDT by jimsin (S)
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To: JediJones

I think you sum it up well. We can’t out celebrity Obama. So let’s try to get substance back into the campaign with Ryan.

A few thoughts for all the bed wetters over this choice.

-For once we no longer need to fear the MSM narrative that our candidates are dopes. For the MSM to attack now, it has to be on the issues, not whether our candidate is an intellectual lightweight, partied too much in college or made it because of their Dad. I want to talk about issues.

-Florida may present problems but Ryan has held a “lean Dem” district for over a decade. He knows how to appeal to Midwest voters. WI, MI and Iowa now are in play. Obama now has to defend those States.

This pick has risk, but it is a different type of risk than we are used to. It is solely on the Medicare thing. On every other attribute, including being a very likable but effective attack dog against Obama, Ryan fits the bill.


195 posted on 08/11/2012 3:45:04 AM PDT by SteveAustin
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To: DJlaysitup

Possibly, but I doubt Rubio would have turned it down. Deep down he may be relieved for the reasons you mention, but if Romney offered it to him he would have accepted.

I can’t think of anyone who has ever rejected a VP offer.

Some guys have made it known ahead of time they’re not interested so it’s never offered. But no one says no if they’re asked out on to the floor.

As for Obama being a hell of a campaigner, I don’t know.

Sure, he was great when Bush had a 25% approval rating and the country was in a deep recession. Gore and Kerry could have been great campaigners in that situation. Kerry would have won easily in 2008, as would Gore.

I don’t know how good he is when the table isn’t perfectly set for him.


196 posted on 08/11/2012 3:48:08 AM PDT by jeltz25
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To: Brandonmark

That won’t bring my horse out of the barn. Stayin home.

Have joined the “ Let things get real bad so we can have a real fight” crowd, and watch the GOP destroyed.They have earned it.I will not vote for a progressive ticket in the face of national liberal fascism. The GOP can GTH.

The GOP response to an unqualified usurper in office, and his liberal fascist social movemnet is underwhelming to say the least. The C and B GOP team has conspired to prevent the GOP A team from taking the field in the election, and they all can rot in hell, whether they win or not.

This is the beginning of the end of the GOP and it is the end of the 1st Republic, unless this ticket is trounced and nullified at the GOP convention, replaced with say, a Palin / Alan West Ticket.

Mitt Romney is a sick joke. The liberal fascists are already boring him a new one.He is not capable of waging the campaign which will save our country from the curse of fascism. What a bunch of idiots they are at RNC.


197 posted on 08/11/2012 4:04:25 AM PDT by Candor7 (Obama fascism article: http://www.americanthinker.com/2009/05/barack_obama_the_quintessentia_1.html)
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To: Brandonmark

Ho Hum. If you live in a battleground state go ahead and vote for the Kolobian. If you live in a solid red or blue state vote Goode and give the GOP a message or we will have RINOS from them from here to eternity.


198 posted on 08/11/2012 4:13:35 AM PDT by conservaterian (Sarah/DeMint '12-NOPE Cain?- Guess NOT. ABO & ABMR. I'm going Goode.)
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To: Brandonmark

ping


199 posted on 08/11/2012 4:13:57 AM PDT by Dusty Road
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To: Brandonmark

And once again, Freepers had it firsst. Nice going, Signalman, among others. :-)


200 posted on 08/11/2012 4:14:38 AM PDT by SueRae (See it? Hell, I can TASTE November from my house!)
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