Skip to comments.Ryan is a good man, but does not redeem the abortionist/homosexualist statist Romney
Posted on 08/11/2012 4:42:48 PM PDT by Jim Robinson
Except for his unfortunate go along to get along support of TARP, bailouts, stimulus spending and the increased credit limit, etc, Ryan is a pretty good choice. Probably the best choice of the RINOS that were on Romney's short list. I support Ryan for the vice presidency. Wish he were at the top of the ticket, though.
But I still cannot and will not support the grand father of ObamaCare. Romney still loves and brags about his bastard brainchild, RomneyCare, even today when he knows what an anti-liberty socialist POS it is.
And the fact that he advocated that abortion should be safe and legal in America for over three decades of his adult lifetime and even advocated that Roe v Wade should be supported and sustained as settled law precludes any consideration whatsoever by this pro-life Christian for Myth Romney for the presidency.
And the fact that he boasted that he would be better for "gay rights" than Ted Kennedy, and proved it just increases my resistance.
That, and his penchant for gun control, his continuing support for global warming, gays in the scouts, gays in the military, and his record of appointing liberal judges makes it all but impossible for me to support him.
Lastly, we're having a bit of changeover on our moderator staff. At least two moderators resigned this afternoon after I flatly refused to rein in a so-called anti-Mormon "bigot" on FR. Well, if being in opposition to false prophets and false prophecy makes a Christian believer a bigot, then I guess I'm a bigot. I've posted before that I flat do not believe that the Book of Mormon is the true word of God. Nor do I believe that Joseph Smith was a prophet of God. The Christian bible warns us to be weary of false prophets and that I am. Romney being the presumptive Republican nominee does not change that fact.
I was pointing to the fact that Obama the Socialist/Marxist murder of unborn infants, voted against any legislation to allow infants of abortion to be born alive. But I see that I get an answer from DU, not a conservative Freeper!
Colofornian, you are a flipping nut case.
Colo and some others had BEEN Mormon in the past and got the treat of seeing the LDS’ seamier side. You can hardly blame them for feeling cynical.
Thank you. And the same to you.
I explained very explicitly why people are posting opuses. That is all. Have a good day.
I could probably put a vanity in Breaking too, but I might get zot for it! lol
You know I agree with all your points on Mormonism, but to me, the Mormon thing in and of itself is a side note. Romney’s a socialist and he doesn’t represent any of my views politically given his history, and that’s eniugh for me. My best friend - until he died two days after Christmas in 05 - was a Mormon raised by a Mormon and a Ba’hai. The Mormon thing to me is second to his socialist objectives for this country, objectives he shares with Obama. I can’t believe this snake oil salesman has this many people duped into thinking that if they don’t vote for him, it’ll be THE END OF AMERICA. Our dear Ayn was an Atheist, and I’d openly campaign for her, since unlike Paul Ryan, I AM a Randian Objectivist instead of a social justice type.
yo - I understand friendly fire when things get this intense. So no hard feelings. Just stop shooting at me, as I’m on your side - for the exact same reason, even.
O’bummer raised some technical complaints that even some conservatives might agree with. That killing those born alive was already banned four times over. Banning it five times over wasn’t likely to change the outcome much.
Still, Barack Obama stinks in just about every lefty way possible.
HiTech..... I believe that marriage is an established tradition between a man and woman. Our Nation established precedence by given various benefits to those that marry, but more importantly, it was to known as spiritual union of a man and woman, a tradition that should be held dear and true. However, whatever legal benefits that are established for those that marry, so should those same benefits be extended to any two people who join each other for a lifetime commitment, regardless of sex and sexual preference.
Again, freedom and EQUAL rights for all means we don’t exclude someone because of the race, color, creed, national origin, sexual preference, etc. Special interests group were given life out of intolerance. Let’s be more intolerant of those politicians that waste our money; intolerant of those that break the law, especially quality of life crimes (murder, rape, drugs, etc). If Johnny and Patrick are able to have a Civil Union, it has zero impact on my life, but if they go out and murder, rape, or sell drugs, they clearly impact us all.
Again, what issues are the real important ones?
As JR said, Ryan voted supported TARP, the auto bailouts, every Bush budget, every debt limit increase under Bush, no Child Left Behind, also known as no union member left behind.
When the tough got going, Ryan sided with Gov't. He will fold like a cheap suit.
Ryan's fiscal plans are a joke. He intends to increase the size and scope of the budget, while his economic prediction of said budget proposals are nothing but fantasy.
I understand what you’re saying, but it says a lot about the thing’s lack of character that one of the few times it decided not to vote “present” the big issue that caught his eye was this.
I wish the “snake oil salesman” WOULD advertise that if Barack Obama gets back in, it’s probably the “end of America as we know it.” Would that the Mittster had that kind of moxie.
“As you know, the fire didnt touch them and not a smell of smoke on them! Because God was right with them as He never leaves nor foresakes those who TRUST in HIM only and would never bow to evil like in Daniel 3 with Shadrach, Meshach and Abednego.”
Daniel prayed, every morning, noon and night!
It’s for the gummit to provide legal hooks for the Civil Union that rankles me. If gays want to promise each other the moon they are not banned from doing so, but don’t get my gummit involved with this, PLEASE!
"Reportedly, as of this evening, four candidates have agreed to participate: Tom Hoefling of America's Party, Virgil Goode of the Constitution Party, Will Christensen of the Independent American Party, and Ed Noonan of the American Independent Party."
Why wouldn't the candidate for America's Independent Constitutional Party agree to participate? What happened to the Constitutional Party of Independent Americans?
it was a pander
I spent 45 years as a Mormon. Indeed they have taken this too far. They believe they will be gods of worlds of their own making.
“Luxury” - perfect word for something that is horrifically exspensive, and serves no practical purpose. Good FReepers will get it.
Are you telling me Fabreeze is ling Ming and Ling and those others?
Expensive suits don’t fold?
i mean barack’s move was a pander. he could have well just present’ed it. he did want to look good to pro ‘choice’ constituents.
I like this site also,I’ve learned alot since signing up.And passed that info on to others.All this moaning and groaning over Romney does’nt teach anyone anything.Just reminded me of my youngins’ when they were 4 to 10 years old.Kind of dishearting.
Romney/Ryan will get our vote just as McCain/Palin did in 08.I’m not sitting this thing out and I’ll not allow my family to either.This ain’t about us,it’s about the country my kids and grandkids will be living in.And watching what happened at Chic-Fil-A , I have some hope that this countries so-called silent majority has had enough and are not backing down.
You will ask God to help Romney who is godless - while you vote for the godless. I suggest that you ask God to help you. You are trying to make him into what you want him to be and not what he has chosen to be.
Remember God told us In His Word - ‘many’ will go onto the road of destruction and only a ‘few’ find the narrow path that leads to LIFE. Does God want it that way - NO! But people make their own decision what they follow/serve in this life.
Thanks. I *shared* Jim’s words from the Freepathon thread. Those words rang so true to me that I used them in the graphic. :)
I love FR and yet again Im getting the feeling that maybe I dont fit.
I know the feeling. I feel the same way. I just cant refer any more people to FR right now. When I do they send me WTH emails or call me and ask me why I sent them to this site and why I am here. They think it’s fringe, kooky. It’s not at ALL like it was when I joined. It makes me very sad, but it is what it is and I cannot support a site that in any way, shape or form supports or does anything to help the re-election of the Kenyan Marxist narcissist in the WH. Romney is not even 1/100000000 as bad as Soetoro who is hell bent on destroying this country and redistributing the wealth. He HATES this country and wants to being it down. Romney doesn’t want that and Ryan SURE doesn’t.
I have to ask does Ryan bring FL into play
That was my first thought, but we will have to see how well the MSM succeeds in scaring seniors. Sooner or later they have to realize the dems have been playing that same ole tired card for years and it’s all BS.
so far no one has answered that except maybe one person last night who said to me who gives a crap about FL, SIGH.
whoever said that is an idiot
This is so sad! :(
and... if Rush, Coulter and others like them are reading this, what do you think they are thinking, saying to one another? What do you think Sarah Palin, mark Levine and all the rest are saying? I don’t think you want the answer to that... or maybe you do. Only liberal trolls say things like that and you mentioned the 2 people that ALLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLL liberals love to hate.
We are to make praying a way of life and acknowledge HIM in all we do. Not only because we are told to do it but as a mature Christian you see the results - just as Jesus says in His Word. You can never out give God - He pours His blessings on us when ‘we believe’ when ‘we trust’ Him in spite of anything going around about us.
It’s all about a relationship w/God and not the do’s and don’t’s- they automatically take care of themselves when one KNOWS HIM. Peter, Paul, Stephen,John the Baptist, Esther ‘if I perish, I perish’, et al, couldn’t do what they did on their own - it’s KNOWING Jesus that they were able to do and wanted to do. And Jesus is The Word.
Well, you DO see mormons running around by the tens of thousands, trying to convert the world to mormonism.
The Lord has blessed this work, and the Church is being established across the world. This meeting is being translated into 92 languages. We are grateful for the 52,225 full-time missionaries serving in more than 150 countries
You’re not missing anything. It’s pretty clear to 99% of America and about 90% or Freepers what is going on and what is the right thing to do for the country. The responses on this thread say it all and don’t forget, many have been zotted or left FR months ago. If not, that would make the number about 95%.
You’re not missing anything. It’s pretty clear to 99% of America and about 90% of Freepers what is going on and what is the right thing to do for the country. The responses on this thread says it all and don’t forget, many have been zotted or left FR months ago. If not, that would make the number about 95%.
You must of forgotten Bill Clinton, Jimmy Carter, FDR, etc etc.
Remember Romney is still only as good as his Senate and House. If the tea party dominates either then nothing liberal gets done and everything Conservative does. End of story.
If Obama gets in with the tea party in control of either house then we suffer another 4 years of getting nothing done.
“I know the feeling. I feel the same way. I just cant refer any more people to FR right now. When I do they send me WTH emails or call me and ask me why I sent them to this site and why I am here. They think its fringe, kooky. Its not at ALL like it was when I joined. It makes me very sad, but it is what it is and I cannot support a site that in any way, shape or form supports or does anything to help the re-election of the Kenyan Marxist narcissist in the WH. Romney is not even 1/100000000 as bad as Soetoro who is hell bent on destroying this country and redistributing the wealth. He HATES this country and wants to being it down. Romney doesnt want that and Ryan SURE doesnt.
Amazing, isnt it?
I supported Newt strongly in the primaries. I AM NOT HELPING OBAMA.
I dont care if some snob “true conservative” calls me whatever.
These types would have cursed George Washington and Co. for receiving aid and supplies from an absolute monarch in France, and would have called themselves “true republicans”. They would go home and have had George III win rather than sully themselves like that!
Okay lets play a game.
In my state, there are two major candidates for US Senator.
Candidate A has an ACU lifetime rating of 89ish. Candidate B can barely pull a 10 lifetime rating.
One candidate is a Mormon. The other is Jewish.
I am Jewish.
1. Which candidate should a Jewish conservative vote for? A or B?
2. Which candidate is the Mormon? A or B?
Greece does what it does because it was founded by self-worshipping Socratic pedophiles and Sodomizers. Let them drink hemlock.America, unlike Greece, was founded by folks who had the wisdom to articulate the Declaration of Independence - and the testicular fortitude to implement it.
"Sooner or later, I fully expect America to be put back on its principled, moral, constitutional basis. As Winston Churchill said: "You can always count on Americans to do the right thing - after they've tried everything else." "
--Candidate for President, 2012
Yours has, though.
“Your falling for the meme that Ryan is some fiscal hawk.”
I’ve read his voting record. Read his proposals for SS reform and the Budget.
Have you? Did you even care to take a look at his posted record that I linked to?
“As JR said, Ryan voted supported TARP, the auto bailouts, every Bush budget, every debt limit increase under Bush, no Child Left Behind, also known as no union member left behind.”
Link? Jim couldn’t provide them...and so far you haven’t either.
“Ryan’s fiscal plans are a joke. He intends to increase the size and scope of the budget, while his economic prediction of said budget proposals are nothing but fantasy.”
No he doesn’t. That is a flat out lie.
I couldn’t disagree with your post more.
“God loves Mormons, Mitt Romney, Obama, Democrats, and homosexuals. But He also loves them all enough He doesn’t want them to remain in the same place they are in spiritually.”
You either, unless you’re already perfect.
Group urges convention delegates to ‘Dump Romney’
Augusta Free Press ^ | August 10, 2012
Posted on August 12, 2012 9:19:53 AM PDT by delacoert
A social-conservative group is using Mitt Romneys Mormon beliefs and his record as Massachusetts governor to urge GOP convention delegates to Dump Romney.
A memo being circulated by the Dump Romney group argues that, given the weak U.S. economy, Romney ought to be leading Democratic incumbent Barack Obama in the polls, instead of trailing by as many as nine points, as the most recent Fox News poll has the race right now.
The group says Republican convention delegates are not bound by convention rules to vote for Romney, and that first-ballot abstentions could lead to the selection of a stronger national ticket in later convention rounds.
A key to the Dump Romney effort is anti-Mormon in nature. A press release from the group brings up issues with the Mormon religion including its exotic beliefs that the Garden of Eden was in Missouri and that Jesus is Satans brother to paint the picture that independent and Republican voters in swing states in the Bible belt like Virginia and North Carolina will desert the GOP in droves.
The press release also calls Romney Americas Founding Father of Gay Marriage for the same-sex weddings that were authorized by Massachusetts courts during his time as governor.
The memo, titled Dump Romney: Why Tampas Republican Delegates must Dump Romney to Defeat Obama, is available on Amazon.com and DumpRomney.org. It was produced by a group called Jews and Christians Together, and edited by Sara and David Bethel.
The aim of the Dump Romney movement is to provide thoughtful, responsible and dutiful Republican delegates with a pathway out of their and our nations very serious problem, that the Republican Party is on the brink of nominating a sure loser, said Steve Baldwin, a contributor and former executive director of the Council for National Policy, a Washington, D.C.,-based conservative think tank.
I get my info here, my news here and have talked to , met some off here who are great people.
WE will always differ on certain issues and for me Ryan after looking at his past votes tells me he is a conservative on social, and fiscal.
He has the guts to take the homostapo on and we all know the media wil attack him and twist his words and then play the mediscare crap.
As for him being mormon, I couldn’t careless, Ive had a few arguments about this when I said they’re Christian or they did well to stop the homostapo in CA with prop.
All I know is that they are pro family and tend to go conservative
You’re an idiot. You’ll be in the same group of navel gazers should (God forbid) Obama win again that pisses and moans about how the Republicans got their asses kicked again and why can’t we ever win the big elections.
It’s because of idiots like you and the others that are more concerned over the fact that Mitt is Mormon and less about what the hell Obama is doing to this country.
You’re helping the Dems and quite frankly Obama appreciates your support.
If you were half as concerned and interested in how to get this Communist/Marxist fraud out of office as you were whether or not Mitt is a false prophet he’d win in a 49 state landslide.
And that goes for everyone here obsessed with this crap...OP included.
No wonder the Dems poke fun at people of faith.
We’ve gone from the website that helped expose “fake but accurate” a combination of the DUmp and a bad episode of the Art Bell show.
And crap like this isn’t helping.
Was Mitt my first choice? No. I was a Cain and Santorum guy.
But as someone pointed out earlier Romney...compared to Obama...is Washington/Reagan/Goldwater wrapped up into one tidy package.
This petty bigoted crap over his Religion is making us look like the unhinged left we normally poke fun at.
Grow the eff up people...there’s more important things at stake.
I have held my tongue, but here’s my take:
FR is a (heavyweight) voice on the Conservative trail.
Up until the VP was selected, the opposition from FR was an irritation and a pressure on the GOP to appoint a real VP.
Well guess what? That’s what happened. It’s the best thing with could have happened until 2016. Period.
Now is the time to close ranks and support the nominee.
Get them next time.
For now join.