Skip to comments.Ryan is a good man, but does not redeem the abortionist/homosexualist statist Romney
Posted on 08/11/2012 4:42:48 PM PDT by Jim Robinson
Except for his unfortunate go along to get along support of TARP, bailouts, stimulus spending and the increased credit limit, etc, Ryan is a pretty good choice. Probably the best choice of the RINOS that were on Romney's short list. I support Ryan for the vice presidency. Wish he were at the top of the ticket, though.
But I still cannot and will not support the grand father of ObamaCare. Romney still loves and brags about his bastard brainchild, RomneyCare, even today when he knows what an anti-liberty socialist POS it is.
And the fact that he advocated that abortion should be safe and legal in America for over three decades of his adult lifetime and even advocated that Roe v Wade should be supported and sustained as settled law precludes any consideration whatsoever by this pro-life Christian for Myth Romney for the presidency.
And the fact that he boasted that he would be better for "gay rights" than Ted Kennedy, and proved it just increases my resistance.
That, and his penchant for gun control, his continuing support for global warming, gays in the scouts, gays in the military, and his record of appointing liberal judges makes it all but impossible for me to support him.
Lastly, we're having a bit of changeover on our moderator staff. At least two moderators resigned this afternoon after I flatly refused to rein in a so-called anti-Mormon "bigot" on FR. Well, if being in opposition to false prophets and false prophecy makes a Christian believer a bigot, then I guess I'm a bigot. I've posted before that I flat do not believe that the Book of Mormon is the true word of God. Nor do I believe that Joseph Smith was a prophet of God. The Christian bible warns us to be weary of false prophets and that I am. Romney being the presumptive Republican nominee does not change that fact.
McCain was at least pro-life. I’ll never vote for that gun grabbing, abortionist/homosexualist socialist POS Romney and you can take that to the bank!!
LOL. You have a wit about you I almost like!
Best of luck to you “youngster”. Quit taking your opinions so seriously and go have a little fun.
Though a hair misguided, you may grow up to be quite a man! I think there’s hope for you!
Those who can put aside their conservative principles momentarily to vote for the lesser evil should go ahead and do so.
That does not sound healthy. I believe its the first time Ive heard you say it.
Jim has done pretty muchthat every single election. ***Provide links, please.
Well, that was instructive. That may have been the only time JimRob ever suggested to FReepers to put aside their conservative principles, and he certainly learned that lesson — he’s not suggesting it again. Your post said that he does that “pretty much every single election”, and your one link does not come close to proving that assertion.
Pulling stuff out of context when people are trying to old school lighten the mood before the damnations and beatings begin is not equivalent to hatred."
LOL, "out of context"? Really? Barry, is that you?
See, if sf4dubya decides a religion is worthy of mocking, it isn't bigotry. He's only denigrating a bunch of hillbillies, after all, and that's acceptable. /s
Then what is your problem with those who defend the truth of christianity over those who would distort it for nefarious cultish purposes?
Can you not read?
I find you, Colorfornicator and that Elsie person despicable and trying to trick me by commenting on Mr. Robinson’s words will not work.
I’m old. Not senile. Ass.
Those Christians who witness to the Mormons here, have helped Mormon freepers escape the cult, right here at FR, many are themselves ex-Mormons.
Some of the freepers you call Mormon haters and bashers, are Mormons who became ex-Mormons, that became enlightened here at freerepublic during these discussions and are now among the best Christian posters on Mormonism here.
Do you regret them being saved?
Let's get up to date on this matter. I asked another poster to document that people have left, you joined in by saying that "dozens have left in the past few days". None of my business? Of course it's my business when you are talking nonsense and I will point it out. You said it - "people have left..By the dozens" prove it in some way. You cannot so you resort to mindless pap like this:
I am not compelled to document to you anything I have seen, heard, or witnessed. And because I'm not, I won't. Christ said let your 'yea' be 'yea' and your 'no' be 'no.' I don't have to take oaths to you or anyone else. You have exposed yourself as my an enemy and not someone to whom I would confide any names, numbers, or places where you may find those names, numbers, or places.
I certainly can document more than dozens, but certainly won't to you.
Completely childish except the paraphrasing of Jesus, which has no contextual meaning for this discussion.
You will not show me and others where dozens have left in the past few days because you simply cannot. Your mouth has done over run your ass.
You are losing the argument. You name call, pontificate, and avoid the subject at hand.
Please, be clear and tell us why those whom you call bigots are, in fact, bigots.
If you disagree with the precepts of Mormonism does that make you a bigot?
If a Mormon is a liberal, and you disagree with their politics, are you a bigot?
Because, what I see, is not Christ-like. I see hammers, sickles, knives, and saws. I don't see Christ, I see people who were like the pharisees, dragging that woman through town, full of self-righteousness, because they finally 'caught her in the very act.'
Yet GOD showed love and compassion. Christ probably wrote each pharisee's name, one by one, in the dirt...and next to it, a woman each was guilty of committing a sin with in their youth. And one by one, each pharisee shut up and walked away.
It was Christ who had the right, the moral absolute right, to condemn that woman. But He did not. He loved her, and talked to her, and forgave her. He won her over, I have no doubt, to eternal life through His showing love and act with love.
I hardly noticed, being called “young”, kind of went to my head for a minute.
I choose not and will not. And that doesn’t take away from the FACT, that dozens HAVE LEFT, in just the past few days.
The site doesnt bother me at all Kevmo. Its the bigotry and intolerance that I cannot handle
***You dodged the question — JimRob is the owner of this site and he is exhibiting the exact “bigotry and intolerance” that you cannot handle.
I wouldn’t go to a website started by Jeremiah Wright hoping to correct the “bigotry and intolerance” of the site participants because it goes to the very top. It would beg the question of why I was there in the first place, other than to troll. Why are YOU here in the first place?
You're accusing others of "name calling" answer my question, who called who a "young punk?
I see hammers, sickles, knives, and saws.
***I see written words. Maybe you need to step back a bit and evaluate what’s intruding on your vision.
Yes sir. Perhaps I will find The Way so as not to be misguided. Perhaps you shall also, just not on your current path.
Please notice, though, that you are (unintentionally?) offending Christian posters on Free Republic and that what you post here is making less and less common sense.
But If you are wanting to offend Christians (for the fun of it?), then I will remember your advanced age and overlook your bad and disrespectful behavior.
I think you need a mirror and pray that the Holy Spirit remove the scales from your eyes.
dozens HAVE LEFT, in just the past few days.
Oh I shouldnt worry Nic...
They’ll be back...
Willard is paying them to turn up at his solo rallies...
Actually, I heard there were over 10,000 who showed up yesterday in Michigan to hear Romney/Ryan. And last count, Obama couldn’t halfway fill up a stadium (I believe it was), at his fund raiser.
Been out of town with no internet. Soooo glad to see nothing has changed here. Thank you Jim, you have this Households agreement.
I’m not bound to answer something simply because you asked it. This isn’t a fascistic state yet and who the hell do you think you are anyway?
I am a supporter of conservative ideals and principles. Always have been.
Conservative does NOT equal Anti-Mormon any more than it equals Anti-Jew.
You’ve never been the target of intolerance for what you believe. That’s obvious. I have.
And when I see it, I will stand against it. It is ignorant and has no place in a truly free republic.
Again, we are all here at the pleasure of the owner and even if I am removed, I will continue to stand against it- while simultaneously respecting the rights for bigots to speak their minds.
What is so confusing that you people cannot understand that concept? I could understand confusion about freedom of expression in 1980’s Poland- but I don’t believe that’s where we are!
And who died and made YOU the one to question why anyone is here?
Bunch of Sadducees.
And yet, just a few months later, Christ/HolySpirit condemned Ananias & Saphira to death for lying to the Holy Spirit. There were no knives, hammers, nor sickles. The 2 people just keeled over right where they stood. Christ takes it seriously when people lie to the Church for nefarious gain. The same Christ Who sent the adulturous woman on her way.
What you “see” is people defending their faith. Your faith. They aren’t dragging anyone to the square, like the pharisees dragged that woman. The heretics are teaching openly in the square. The new testament shows Christ dealing harshly with such heresies.
Yes, I quoted Mr. Robinson's words. Is he a bigot, like Colofornian, Elsie and me or not, cowardly old coot?
Jim - We'll see if my other post to you was correct or not (That people fear to call you what they call the rest of us.).
Well where would you go ???
To a rally where they only pay you $10 and a lousy stale box lunch or to a rally where you can get $100 and pizza ???
Ya notice no chikin at either...
As Rabbi Heschel so beautifully wrote: “When I was younger, I admired clever people. Now that I am old, I admire kind people”.
As I find you neither clever or kind, it’s no surprise I never admired you and likely never will.
Now piss off and quit trying to demand I engage you. You’re repulsive.
What is this world coming to...when you get a negative comment on Twitter?
Why 'back in the 'day, we NEVER saw negative comments on Twitter!
/Sarc aside...What is this conservative world coming to when you have FREEPERs "amening" the Daily Kuss??? And FREEPERs treating a Twitter anecdote out in Fringeland as worth a good ole college fraternity try to cyberbully a fellow FREEPER?
Perhaps SouthTexas and MJJ could get a "diversity" YouTube-based choir together -- ya know, consisting of their sphere of influence, the Daily Kuss folks, and then Mormons...
I've got a name already picked out:
The Mormon Tubercular Choir...
Too bad Mojitos only have about 10% alcohol...The Mormon Tubercular Choir could use something stronger, per Joseph Smith: (Some people might think I'm making up the following Lds "scriptural" verse...but I'm not): ... It comes from their highly touted "Word of Wisdom" section in Doctrine & Covenants:
"...strong drinks are NOT for the belly, but for the washing of your bodies." (Lds "scripture" -- Doctrine & Covenants 89:7)
(So, Joe, if ya get anything stronger than Mojitos, be sure you use it for your bath, not your belly...and please advise any choir members accordingly (Well, they'll actually already be "in the know"...The original Joe -- Joe Smith -- was telling Mormons that for years to explain why he had strong booze in the house).
Youve never been the target of intolerance for what you believe. Thats obvious.
***Of course I have. You have no freeping idea. What an incredibly arrogant statement.
Conservative does NOT equal Anti-Mormon any more than it equals Anti-Jew.
***True enough. But what’s been going on here in this thread is no more anti-mormon than someone closing their door on some missionaries and asking them in the name of Christ not to preach that false gospel to their neighbors. Your PERCEPTION is so drama-queen tainted that all you can see is some form of bigotry that doesn’t exist.
Im not bound to answer something simply because you asked it... And who died and made YOU the one to question why anyone is here?
***I believe I made an implicit case showing that you’re a troll on this site. Anyone can ask these questions. Why is it you won’t answer them? Because you’re a troll, as delineated in my analogy.
I am a supporter of conservative ideals and principles.
***Then go and convert some 0bots into mittbots rather than sowing discord on a conservative website. Obama thanks you for your efforts at such discord.
We've got the Mormon Babblenackle Choir right here.
10,000 who showed up yesterday in Michigan to hear Romney/Ryan.
They came to hear Ryan, sweetie...
I’m talking about the rallies where Willard is by his liberal lonesome...
Nobody’s killing themselves to get to those...
Jim - We’ll see if my other post to you was correct or not (That people fear to call you what they call the rest of us.).
Frankly, my dear...I don't give a damn what you see.
Joseph Smith began the mormon religion in hatred agains Christianity with his own words.
Open your eyes to THAT!
I think you need a mirror and pray that the Holy Spirit remove the scales from your eyes.
***I’m not the one who sees knives & hammers where there are simply words. Get a grip.
I’ll save the dirt diggers some time. I have voted pragmatically many times.
I understand pragmatism. I understand the theory that politics is the art of the possible. I once subscribed to the theory that the worst Republican is better than the best Democrat and that we must vote Republican to hold onto the majority, even if we have to vote for RINOs. I did my duty, held my nose and voted the RINO party line.
Then disaster struck. The Republican majority filled with RINOs turned out to be no better than the democrats and we quickly lost the majority as conservatives were turned off by their many betrayals and failure to even hold the line, much less cut!!
Those who wish to continue voting pragmatically may be my guest, but count me out. It’s a proven loser of a theory. And Karl Rove & Company can KMA about the art of the possible!! This is REBELLION!!
To hell with two-faced, lying politicians. I’ll place my faith in God, not any political party. With God, ALL things are possible!!
I’ll vote Republican when they run republican pro-life conservative candidates. No more Bushes!! No more Doles!! No more McCains!! No more Swartzeneggers!! And NO ROMNEY!! FUMR!! Abortionist/homosexualist statist RINO pukes are worse than democrats because they destroy the movement!!
Abortionism, homosexualism, gun grabbing, socialized healthcare, TARP, bailouts, stimulus spending, global warming, liberal judges, etc, brought to us by lying liberal progressive RINOS is too much to bear!!
Running Romney is a flat out betrayal of everything we stand for!!
Vote straight conservative and no matter who wins the presidency we either hold his feet to the fire with our conservative majority or we impeach his usurping treasonous ass!!
We are the resistance!!
Mr. Robinson is our host. I learned as a young man to respect a host and I have done so since I began writing here. And in my opinion, he has been very gracious.
I have neither tried to convince anyone to vote for Mr. Romney. As stated, I was not very fond of him from the beginning. I found his flopping on salient, conservative issues disconcerting and frankly, still do.
Mr. Robinson has stated his position and I respect it.
Others on this thread- have gone to great lengths to not simply state their feelings, but to bash and demoralize an entire people due to their religious beliefs. The constant barrage is not foreign to me.
While Mr. Robinson stated his beliefs and left it at that, the others who have tried to bully and malign could learn a lot from his example.
I will continue to stand up and speak, which is my G*d given right.
Neither you or any other guest here will stop me.
Finally- I am sorry your parents did not raise you better. Had they lived long enough to be “old coots”, perhaps you wouldn’t speak with such disdain and hatred.
In my opinion, you are the antithesis of the message of the Christ.
Jeff, please tell me you know the difference 'tween a reformation and a so-called "restoration from scratch?"
The Bible has all kinds of verses discussing apostasy; NONE of which are a "universal (total) apostasy" -- And I've examined every single Biblical verse cited by the Lds church which is meant to "prove" such a complete apostasy.
Jeff, guy, it all comes down to whether you're going to honor the apostle Paul, or subtly bill him as a "false prophet" -- for he prophesied in Ephesians 3:21: to him [God] be glory in the church and in Christ Jesus throughout all generations, for ever and ever! Amen.
The apostle Paul's prophesy here is that ALL generations of the Church would (and have) given God glory, for ever and ever!
Do you believe Ephesians 3:21 -- or not?
And if you do, and if the church was STILL giving glory to God, then, no, no total apostasy...which you know even the Lds technically don't adhere to that...given that they say the apostle John never died...and neither those "Nephite disciples." If they are still wanderin' the earth, they ne'er yielded their "priesthood" authority, did they, Jeff?
The Holy Spirit condemned. Not the creature, but the Creator condemned.
It's not for you to condemn. It is not for me to condemn. God never told any one of us to condemn. He told us to preach the gospel, with humility, kindness, and love.
1 If there is therefore any exhortation in Christ, if any consolation of love, if any fellowship of the Spirit, if any tender mercies and compassions,
2 make full my joy, that ye be of the same mind, having the same love, being of one accord, of one mind;
3 doing nothing through faction or through vainglory, but in lowliness of mind each counting other better than himself;
4 not looking each of you to his own things, but each of you also to the things of others.
5 Have this mind in you, which was also in Christ Jesus:
6 who, existing in the form of God, counted not the being on an equality with God a thing to be grasped,
7 but emptied himself, taking the form of a servant, being made in the likeness of men;
8 and being found in fashion as a man, he humbled himself, becoming obedient even unto death, yea, the death of the cross.
9 Wherefore also God highly exalted him, and gave unto him the name which is above every name;
10 that in the name of Jesus every knee should bow, of things in heaven and things on earth and things under the earth,
11 and that every tongue should confess that Jesus Christ is Lord, to the glory of God the Father.
15 that ye may become blameless and harmless, children of God without blemish in the midst of a crooked and perverse generation, among whom ye are seen as lights in the world,
16 hold forth the word of life.
You don't hold the 'word of life'; you have hammers in your hand, beating people up who disagree with you. You're not humble, you're pompous and arrogant. You're not loving, you act with the same type of zealous hatred that an unbeliever acts. You're supposed to be as a light in the world, but you act as the darkness acts. I don't see Christian behaviors in many of you; I see no difference than liberal unbelievers.
And there friends, is a testimony of why this man will not vote for Mitt Romney without having to malign a faith.
It doesn’t matter how he feels about Mormons- there is plenty of reason not to support the Republican ticket without religious judgment.
Thank you Mr. Robinson for the ability to express myself here.
Though I am not a “bootlicker”, I am committed to Conservative principles and as I state repeatedly, I appreciate your hospitality.
ditto to you to my post 2890
Well, that’s fine, TN. I really don’t care.
What I care about is not having Obama the Marxist in the White House for another four.
From one of the biggest bullies on FR...ROTFL at your dishonesty.
Sir, you’ve veered into the cornfield again. Please think these things through before you post. Is there someone there at home who could help you sort this things out. The numbers are not adding up right now, where your posts are concerned.
Well, that was instructive. That may have been the only time JimRob ever suggested to FReepers to put aside their conservative principles, and he certainly learned that lesson hes not suggesting it again. Your post said that he does that pretty much every single election, and your one link does not come close to proving that assertion.
Stop putting words in my mouth that I didn't say. I said he, just like anyone else, is entitled to change their minds on an issue or a candidate in the face of Marxism. He does that every election, and I support him in that.
No more bannings of anti-Marxist presidential candidate supporters either, thankfully.
Bush 1999 anti http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1105167/posts
And that wraps up all the elections since 1998. He can change his mind or not change it this time, but people need to understand that he is vocalizing his personal choice, and not asking people to mimic him.
People who understand what I am saying can definitely put a donation in the tiller with a free conscience.
You seem surprised.
I don’t know how you have missed 6 years of us giving our reasons for not voting for Romney.
Looking at your posts, you don’t spend much time in the conservative politics here, and almost zero in regards to Romney.
You don’t really seem to know freerepublic well at all, and you don’t even realize that so many of the posters that you are attacking here have been among the best in exposing Romney and have been doing it since at least 2006,and some for much longer.
And if urging ouright rejrection of a guy who was okay in principle, in the name of "gay rights," with forcing adoption agencies to cooperate with homosexuals "who love each other" is heresy, then call me a political heretic.
Pray for a plurality and vote for a plurality. It's the only hope for holding either of these disasters back.
ObAma and Axelrod applaud you.