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New database of US voter fraud finds no evidence that photo ID laws are needed
NBC News ^ | 8/11/12 | Natasha Khan, Corbin Carson

Posted on 08/12/2012 5:49:47 AM PDT by Libloather

New database of US voter fraud finds no evidence that photo ID laws are needed
First of a series of articles, Who Can Vote: a News21 investigation of voting rights in America
By Natasha Khan and Corbin Carson, News21

A new nationwide analysis of 2,068 alleged election-fraud cases since 2000 shows that while fraud has occurred, the rate is infinitesimal, and in-person voter impersonation on Election Day, which prompted 37 state legislatures to enact or consider tough voter ID laws, is virtually non-existent.

In an exhaustive public records search, reporters from the investigative reporting projecdt News21 sent thousands of requests to elections officers in all 50 states, asking for every case of fraudulent activity including registration fraud, absentee ballot fraud, vote buying, false election counts, campaign fraud, casting an ineligible vote, voting twice, voter impersonation fraud and intimidation.

Analysis of the resulting comprehensive News21 election fraud database turned up 10 cases of voter impersonation. With 146 million registered voters in the United States during that time, those 10 cases represent one out of about every 15 million prospective voters.

“Voter fraud at the polls is an insignificant aspect of American elections,” said elections expert David Schultz, professor of public policy at Hamline University School of Business in St. Paul, Minn.

(Excerpt) Read more at openchannel.nbcnews.com ...


TOPICS: Crime/Corruption; Extended News; Government; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: database; fraud; photoid; voter; voterfraud
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1 posted on 08/12/2012 5:49:58 AM PDT by Libloather
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To: Libloather

Oh NBC, One case of vote fraud is too many.

I mean, if someone says something mean to one gay person, mind you if they didnt make it up, we are expected to pass “hate crime” bills in all 50 states, right?


2 posted on 08/12/2012 5:53:06 AM PDT by VanDeKoik
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To: Libloather

How does a database find evidence?


3 posted on 08/12/2012 5:53:13 AM PDT by ImJustAnotherOkie (zerogottago)
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To: Libloather

“No dirt was incorporated into this omelette. Honest!”


4 posted on 08/12/2012 5:54:02 AM PDT by HiTech RedNeck (let me ABOs run loose, lew (or is that lou?))
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To: Libloather

Al Franken and Claire McCackle would agree...


5 posted on 08/12/2012 5:56:01 AM PDT by Eric in the Ozarks (I didn't post this. Someone else did.)
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To: Libloather

“New database of US voter fraud finds no evidence that photo ID laws are needed”

New database of under 21 liquor drinking fraud finds no evidence that photo ID laws are needed.


6 posted on 08/12/2012 5:56:01 AM PDT by HotKat (Politicians are like diapers; they need to be changed often and for the same reason. Mark Twain)
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To: Libloather

That’s why we have Al Franken.


7 posted on 08/12/2012 5:56:17 AM PDT by Hattie
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To: Libloather

“asking for every case of fraudulent activity including registration fraud, absentee ballot fraud, vote buying, false election counts, campaign fraud, casting an ineligible vote, voting twice, voter impersonation fraud and intimidation.”

And they received no response from Minnesota, where a close senate election most likely was determined by illegal votes from felons?


8 posted on 08/12/2012 5:57:16 AM PDT by WILLIALAL
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To: Libloather

Coming from a university in Minnesota...someone seems to forget the last Senate election where Al Franken was elected by a handful of likely fraudulent votes. The 2000 presidential race was also decided by a handful of votes in Florida and could easily have been stolen by even a miniscule amount of fraudulent votes. Besides in Minnesota as well as most states you need a picture ID to do nearly anything from paying by check to getting welfare benefits so who wouldn’t have an ID other than those bent on voter fraud?


9 posted on 08/12/2012 5:57:28 AM PDT by The Great RJ
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To: Libloather

The data supporting this argument should prompt a like effort to eliminate the need for photo ID when flying on a commercial airline flight.


10 posted on 08/12/2012 5:57:33 AM PDT by harpu ( "...it's better to be hated for who you are than loved for someone you're not!")
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To: Libloather
"...News21 sent thousands of requests to elections officers...."

Many of these fine public servants are likely up to their eyeballs in voter fraud, especially in 'rat hellholes.

11 posted on 08/12/2012 5:59:32 AM PDT by Paladin2
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"Analysis of the resulting comprehensive News21 election fraud database turned up 10 cases of voter impersonation."

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!...(breathe)...OMG! They don't honestly expect us to believe that, do they?
12 posted on 08/12/2012 5:59:55 AM PDT by PowderMonkey (WILL WORK FOR AMMO)
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To: Libloather

Of course! There is no voter fraud in honest Conservative/Republican districts that control elections. It is only from Democrat-controlled precincts and states where the government is controlled by Democrats.

This exhaustive search is the equivalent of polling criminals and asking them to document where they committed a crime. Redonkulous precept for a study by a “news organization.”


13 posted on 08/12/2012 6:00:30 AM PDT by Gaffer
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To: Libloather

Notice it said all cases. yet they didn’t include those not allowed to vote such as felons who are being prosecuted in Minn even today going back to Frankens election. Over 200 thus far i believe.
Second it leaves out instances where fraud has occurred but the dems won’t prosecute such as in Wash state where all those ballots turned up late and gave Grigore her seat.


14 posted on 08/12/2012 6:00:44 AM PDT by wiggen (The teacher card. When the racism card just won't work.)
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To: Libloather
sent thousands of requests to elections officers in all 50 states, asking for every case of fraudulent activity including registration fraud, absentee ballot fraud, vote buying, false election counts, campaign fraud, casting an ineligible vote, voting twice, voter impersonation fraud and intimidation.

This is just nonsense. All they have is some tally of actual, detected cases of voter fraud under circumstances where little effort is being made to detect cases of voter fraud, and the tools needed to detect many types of voter fraud do not exist.

15 posted on 08/12/2012 6:01:06 AM PDT by Will88
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To: Libloather
As an American voter whose vote could potentially be canceled out by 'insignificant' vote fraud, I find this study and its results to be outrageous. How many murders are considered 'insignificant'? In fact, as citizens who pay the salaries of police and firefighters, how many crimes are overlooked because they're insignificant? How many homes should we allow to burn because the losses are insignificant?

I really wish we could exile liberals to an island where they could live out their existence in the misery they would create for themselves.

16 posted on 08/12/2012 6:02:01 AM PDT by liberalh8ter (If Barack has a memory like a steel trap, why can't he remember what the Constitution says?)
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To: Libloather

This reminds me of when asked if welfare ‘benefits’ are given to illegals. The discussion goes like this:

Reporter: Do you give benefits to illegals?
Gov. Worker: No, we do not.
R: Do you check for legality
GW: No, we are not permitted to check
R: Then how do you know the recipients are legal?
GW: They are not permitted to collect benefits unless they’re legal.

There you have - proof that welfare benefits are not given to Illegals.


17 posted on 08/12/2012 6:05:02 AM PDT by BobL (Cruz'd to Victory - July 31, 2012)
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To: Libloather
From the article:

“I don't think there is a mature democracy that has as bad of an elections system as we do,” said Richard Hasen, a professor of political science and election law expert at the University of California, Irvine. “We have thousands of electoral jurisdictions, we have non-professionals running our elections, we have partisans running our elections, we have lack of uniformity.”

I suspect that this joker would like a "Dept. of Elections", another unionized bureaucracy to run our state elections.

18 posted on 08/12/2012 6:06:57 AM PDT by Politically Correct (A member of the rabble in good standing)
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To: Libloather

“During the recent Washington, D.C. primary election, an investigator from the James O’Keefe’s Veritas Project walked into Attorney General’s polling place and asked for Holder’s ballot. Providing just the name and address, the election judge was prepared to hand it over — even after the investigator professed a desire to go back to his car for his ID”

http://www.conservativeblog.org/amyridenour/2012/4/11/if-eric-holder-isnt-convinced-about-voter-identity-theft-yet.html

these people are fools, dupes or malignant.....in which case We the People are being mades out as fools an dupes...


19 posted on 08/12/2012 6:15:35 AM PDT by mo (If you understand, no explanation is needed. If you don't understand, no explanation is possible.)
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To: Libloather
Should have "Barf Alert"

Consider the source. Nothing further to read. Move on.

20 posted on 08/12/2012 6:19:05 AM PDT by KeyLargo
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To: Libloather

Who cares what this manipulated study says? You need an id to do most commercial transactions in this country. You should have an id for one the most important civic responsibilities you can exercise. If people are too stupid or unable to legally obtain an id, they shouldn’t be voting anyway.


21 posted on 08/12/2012 6:20:07 AM PDT by 3Fingas (Sons and Daughters of Freedom, Committee of Correspondence)
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To: Libloather
"New database of US voter fraud finds no evidence that photo ID laws are needed"

Meanwhile, in Mexico...

"In order to vote, all Mexican citizens must have registered before the election and have obtained a voter’s ID that includes one’s photograph, name, address, fingerprint and age." - Link to PDF document

22 posted on 08/12/2012 6:22:18 AM PDT by Flag_This (Real presidents don't bow.)
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To: Libloather

How can you have a case of ID fraud if you do not check ID?


23 posted on 08/12/2012 6:23:58 AM PDT by Erik Latranyi (When religions have to beg the gov't for a waiver, we are already under socialism.)
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To: Libloather

GIGO.


24 posted on 08/12/2012 6:38:12 AM PDT by Slings and Arrows (You can't have IngSoc without an Emmanuel Goldstein.)
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To: Libloather
If there is "no evidence" photo ID is required for voting, then why does anybody have to show an ID when cashing a check, buying liquor or cigarettes, signing a mortgage, getting a traffic stop, entering a secure area, or a host of other reasons people are asked for it every day in the normal course of business?

What's so special about voting that it is singularly excluded? Shouldn't we just take everybody at their word they are honest and are who and what they say they are??

Of course we know the answer. It makes f-r-a-u-d easier for those stealing elections!

25 posted on 08/12/2012 6:38:23 AM PDT by Gritty (This election represents the last exit ramp before the death spiral - Mark Steyn)
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To: AdmSmith; AnonymousConservative; Berosus; bigheadfred; Bockscar; ColdOne; Convert from ECUSA; ...

Partisan Media Shills ping.

Thanks Libloather.


26 posted on 08/12/2012 6:38:26 AM PDT by SunkenCiv (https://secure.freerepublic.com/donate/)
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To: Libloather
Bush vs. Gore/Loserman came down to 537 votes out of 146 million registered voters. That's 0.00037%. Because of advances in marketing technology elections are frequently coming down to 50/50 coin tosses, so yes fraud can have a huge effect.

Democrats aren't the brightest criminals. The cell phone companies already have subscriber location data in their computers. If would be easy to detect if a free Obamaphone traveled to multiple voting places on election day.

27 posted on 08/12/2012 6:40:33 AM PDT by Reeses (Sustainable energy? Let's first have sustainable government.)
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“Minnesota Leads the Nation in Voter Fraud Convictions”

ST. PAUL, Minn., Oct. 13, 2011— Minnesota Majority today released a report on voter fraud convictions to date stemming from Minnesota’s 2008 general election. The report finds that 113 individuals who voted illegally in the 2008 election have been convicted of the crime, “ineligible voter knowingly votes” under Minnesota Statute 201.014.

“As far as we can tell, this is the largest number of voter fraud convictions arising from a single election in the past 75 years,” said Minnesota Majority president Jeff Davis, “Prosecutions are still underway and so there will likely be even more convictions.”

http://www.prnewswire.com/news-releases/minnesota-leads-the-nation-in-voter-fraud-convictions-131782928.html


28 posted on 08/12/2012 6:44:35 AM PDT by Oldeconomybuyer (The problem with socialism is that you eventually run out of other people's money.)
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To: Libloather
The Liberal Fear of Voter Identification
29 posted on 08/12/2012 6:45:47 AM PDT by SpaceBar
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To: Libloather

If election officials are not checking for voter fraud, it is pretty difficult to find any case of fraud.

If the police are not checking for drivers who are speeding, it is pretty difficult to find any case of speeding.

Given the lengths to which the Democrats are going to defend their anti-ID stance, it alone indicates massive voter fraud.


30 posted on 08/12/2012 6:58:44 AM PDT by Presbyterian Reporter
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To: Libloather

Absolutely amazing that so many people would attempt ID deceptions while buying liquor, cashing checks, and boarding airplanes, but nobody would ever do it while voting. I guess that just shows how much Americans revere our political process. Probably because we have such inspirational leadership.


31 posted on 08/12/2012 7:03:51 AM PDT by madprof98
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Leftist reporters reporting on a leftist study of leftist voter fraud. Gosh, what’s not to trust?


32 posted on 08/12/2012 7:04:55 AM PDT by SampleMan (Feral Humans are the refuse of socialism.)
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" I guess that just shows how much Americans revere our political process. Probably because we have such inspirational leadership."

Yeah, and it's not like there's anything to be gained by stealing an election, so why bother?

33 posted on 08/12/2012 7:09:16 AM PDT by Flag_This (Real presidents don't bow.)
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To: Libloather
A new nationwide analysis of 2,068 alleged election-fraud cases since 2000 shows that while fraud has occurred, the rate is infinitesima

It permitted Al Frankenfraud to steal a Senate seat and thus pass Obamacare.

Theft has consequence.

34 posted on 08/12/2012 7:09:47 AM PDT by a fool in paradise (Eric Holder's NAACP rally against the voter ID laws required the press to bring govt issue photo ID.)
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To: ImJustAnotherOkie
How does a database find evidence?

They used an analysis program written by Stevie Wonder. /s

35 posted on 08/12/2012 7:17:52 AM PDT by ken in texas (I was taught to respect my elders but it keeps getting harder to find any.)
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To: Libloather

Of course, the idiots who created and analyzed the database are and remain clueless that over 1.8 million DEAD people are still registered to vote.....nope, we don’t need no stinking voter ID requirements, none at all. /s =.=


36 posted on 08/12/2012 7:19:28 AM PDT by cranked
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To: Libloather
DNCp

37 posted on 08/12/2012 7:21:50 AM PDT by DoughtyOne (Nope 2012)
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To: Libloather
Without a voter ID requirement there is no way to see voter fraud happening or prove after the fact, thus there no evidence of it.

A Government that sends 23,000 tax refund checks to a SINGLE home address in Fla isn't going have much luck finding voter fraud with the current system.

Absentee ballots sent in mass to mental hospitals and rest homes might be a good place to start looking though.

38 posted on 08/12/2012 7:21:58 AM PDT by Beagle8U (Free Republic -- One stop shopping ....... It's the Conservative Super WalMart for news .)
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To: Libloather
“Voter fraud at the polls is an insignificant aspect of American elections,” said elections expert David Schultz, professor of public policy at Hamline University School of Business in St. Paul, Minn.

Does he lend his name too, to 'Global Warming' defense teams as well?

What a crock. . .and offered with a straight face. Liberals are so practiced, of course. . .

39 posted on 08/12/2012 7:23:29 AM PDT by cricket (http://voteron2012.com/)
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To: DoughtyOne
DNCpropagandists


40 posted on 08/12/2012 7:25:08 AM PDT by DoughtyOne (Nope 2012)
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To: Beagle8U

Do they pass ballot out at our Borders as well? Certainly; a perfect ‘welcome’ to those crossing over. . .


41 posted on 08/12/2012 7:26:04 AM PDT by cricket (http://voteron2012.com/)
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To: HotKat
New database of under 21 liquor drinking fraud finds no evidence that photo ID laws are needed.

This hits the 'stupid nail' right on the head.

42 posted on 08/12/2012 7:30:27 AM PDT by cricket (http://voteron2012.com/)
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To: Libloather

actually, i agree with that article.
i believe that type of voter fraud,
is almost insignificant. a mosquito.
...the alligator, is the absentee ballots,
and in illegal immigratns voting
(most of whom, have photo ID anyway.)
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Acorn and their descendants, didn’t go to the effort,
of registerings millions of illegal voters, for nothing.
but i think most voter fraud is done by absentee ballots.
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i think that except for military overseas,
that if someone wants to exercise their right to vote,
they should have to show up at the polls,
(WITH ID to prove who they are!)


43 posted on 08/12/2012 7:36:16 AM PDT by Elendur (It is incumbent on every generation to pay its own debts as it goes. - Thomas Jefferson)
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To: Libloather

Remind me again; which town was recently found to have a number of “registered voters” that was 500% of the voting population?


44 posted on 08/12/2012 7:40:07 AM PDT by jdsteel (Give me freedom, not more government.)
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To: Libloather

Does he really think that officials in Chicago, Philadelphia, Baltimore, Cleveland and Cincinnati are going to own up to their voter fraud?


45 posted on 08/12/2012 7:45:47 AM PDT by expat2
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To: Libloather

“New database of US voter fraud finds no evidence that photo ID laws are needed”

You didn’t build that database... Or maybe you did.


46 posted on 08/12/2012 7:56:53 AM PDT by logitech (Who's here so vile, that will not love his country? If any speak, for him I have offended)
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To: ken in texas

The blind leading the stupid.


47 posted on 08/12/2012 8:13:26 AM PDT by ImJustAnotherOkie (zerogottago)
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To: ImJustAnotherOkie

Exactly,

If there is no way of detecting voter fraud, there will be no evidence of it.

If ID’s are unneccsary, why do we require a license to drive? I’m sure people are trustworthy enough to follow traffic laws with no one checking on them.

Furthermore, why do I need to make sure sure my employer has all of my information for tax withholding? I’m certain that we can trust everyone to pay their taxes without the government checking up on everyone like that.


48 posted on 08/12/2012 8:38:06 AM PDT by CaptainMorgantown
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I live in a large county with less than 8,000 residents. When I go to vote, my name is located on the voter roll sheet, I then provide ID to prove I am that person. Now, I am known by many folks, including those performing the verification, yet in order to receive my ballot I must prove who I am. Soooo....what is the problem?


49 posted on 08/12/2012 8:47:53 AM PDT by Fully Awake DAV (Navy Vet when homosexuality was not tolerated)
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To: CaptainMorgantown
As the saying goes Locks and keys are to keep honest people honest.
50 posted on 08/12/2012 8:51:59 AM PDT by ImJustAnotherOkie (zerogottago)
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