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US Navy ship collides with oil tanker in Gulf
NBC News ^ | August 12, 2012

Posted on 08/12/2012 8:40:19 AM PDT by JerseyanExile

An oil tanker collided with a U.S. Navy destroyer near the Strait of Hormuz on Sunday but no one was hurt and shipping traffic in the waterway, through which 40 percent of the world's seaborne oil exports pass, was not affected, officials said.

"Both vessels are okay and the Strait of Hormuz is not closed, and business is as usual there," an Oman coast guard official told Reuters, declining to be named under briefing rules.

The collision nevertheless left a gaping hole in the starboard side of USS Porter, a guided-missile destroyer suffered, but no one was injured on either vessel, the U.S. Navy said in a statement. The collision with the Panamanian-flagged bulk oil tanker M/V Otowasan occurred at approximately 1 a.m. local time.

The cause of the incident is under investigation, the Navy said, adding that there were no reports of spills or leakages from either the USS Porter or the Otowasan.

(Excerpt) Read more at worldnews.nbcnews.com ...


TOPICS: Foreign Affairs; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: collisionatsea; hormuzcollision; persiangulf; straitofhormuz; usnavy; ussporter
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To: stormer
Belknap ;)
51 posted on 08/12/2012 9:46:59 AM PDT by moose07 (The truth will out, one day.)
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To: SamAdams76

I hope they know how to sail a desk, ‘cuz that’s about all their future holds now. There is always the possibility that one or more of them really screwed up and its in our best interest to have them out of position where they can do more harm...


52 posted on 08/12/2012 9:49:56 AM PDT by Uriah_lost (Is there no balm in Gilead?....MiE (Mainer in Exile))
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To: JerseyanExile

Ouch!!

I have a couple of rolls of duct tape I can send them......That should fix it right up.

“If it’s broke, duct it!”


53 posted on 08/12/2012 9:50:13 AM PDT by Donkey Odious (I can explain it to you. I can't understand it for you.)
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To: SamAdams76

Yep, a career ender.


54 posted on 08/12/2012 10:04:51 AM PDT by alarm rider (I took the pledge, I will never vote for another RINO, not now, not ever.)
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To: norwaypinesavage

Looks to me to be on the starboard side forward of the house.

In which case the tanker was the stand on vessel, destroyer at fault.


55 posted on 08/12/2012 10:05:51 AM PDT by ThirdMate
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To: moose07

Don’t destroyers keep an eye out for enemy vessels? They were lucky it was a relatively benign tanker.


56 posted on 08/12/2012 10:09:44 AM PDT by KittyKares (.)
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To: DaxtonBrown

Bondo, Elmer’s Gue and Duct Tape could fix it! Heh.


57 posted on 08/12/2012 10:11:57 AM PDT by carriage_hill (Harry Reid [PERVERT-NV] has Vickie-the-goat in lingerie & stiletto heels, tied-up in his office.)
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To: JerseyanExile

“Both vessels are okay...”

I just re-read the article and noticed that quote.

Okay? Really?


58 posted on 08/12/2012 10:13:41 AM PDT by carriage_hill (Harry Reid [PERVERT-NV] has Vickie-the-goat in lingerie & stiletto heels, tied-up in his office.)
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To: norwaypinesavage

“...it’s lights out for the destroyer skipper.”

On the bright side: There’s always lobster fishing up in Maine.


59 posted on 08/12/2012 10:22:16 AM PDT by carriage_hill (Harry Reid [PERVERT-NV] has Vickie-the-goat in lingerie & stiletto heels, tied-up in his office.)
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To: KittyKares

This was no accident.

The tanker is a floating bomb and is a new weapon of choice.

Anything that comes ram-speed towards our ships should be sunk first and ask questions later, especially in hostile zones.


60 posted on 08/12/2012 10:25:01 AM PDT by Surrounded_too
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To: tanknetter

“My money’s on the Command Master Chief taking the fall for this.”

You are probably right. The Commander is black, the Exec Officer is female...


61 posted on 08/12/2012 10:25:01 AM PDT by GGpaX4DumpedTea (I am a Tea Party descendant...steeped in the Constitutional Republic given to us by the Founders.)
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To: KittyKares

t’would appear the MK1 eyeball was undergoing maintenance.


62 posted on 08/12/2012 10:27:49 AM PDT by moose07 (The truth will out, one day.)
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To: ThirdMate

With a name like yours, I’ll defer to your judgement. I didn’t think davits were found forward.


63 posted on 08/12/2012 10:37:41 AM PDT by norwaypinesavage (Galileo: In science, the authority of a thousand is not worth the humble reasoning of one individual)
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To: tanknetter

No, the Captain will take the hit for this one, along with the officer of the deck, and (perhaps) the helmsman.


64 posted on 08/12/2012 10:47:44 AM PDT by ExNewsExSpook (uoted)
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To: tanknetter
Famous collisions in which the smaller warship was the loser:

1. The collision between USS FRANK E. EVANS (DD-754) and HMAS MELBOURNE (R-21) on 3 June 1969 killed 74 sailors aboard EVANS. The DD was cut in two by the carrier amidships and the front half sank. The afloat half was surveyed and deemed to badly damaged to repair. The hulk was towed from Subic Bay NSY and scuttled in deep water.

2. The collision between USS BELKNAP (CG-26) and USS JOHN F. KENNEDY (CV-67) in the Ionian Sea on 22 November 1975 killed 7 and injured 47 [1 killed on JFK]. All superstructure on BELKNAP above 01 level was removed by JFK's sponson and the wreckage doused in aviation fuel that led to the resultant fire on BELKNAP. BELKNAP was in Philadelphia NSY for $210 million in repairs from 1976 to 1980. She was sunk as a target as part of a SinkEx in 1998.

65 posted on 08/12/2012 10:52:46 AM PDT by MasterGunner01 (11)
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To: Slump Tester

They’ll do what they do then and blame lower ranking non-gay officers and enlisted NCOs.


66 posted on 08/12/2012 11:01:00 AM PDT by Secret Agent Man (I can neither confirm or deny that; even if I could, I couldn't - it's classified.)
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To: stormer

I spent 6-months on the USS LaSalle in the Persian Gulf back in the late 80’s.

As an Air Force guy on the staff of JTFME, it was an eye-opening experience.

What I do remember clearly was the huge tankers just plowing along and not paying anyone any mind. Had a few wander close by the ship and never respond to radio or other signals. . .like no one was home.

I asked a Navy black shoe about that and he told me third-world tanker crews would depart their station late at night or in the early hours, plug in the INS course guidance and then go to sleep. . .trusting the ships nav system and the fact they are so huge everyone would get out of their way.

Could be the US Navy ship had right-of-way but found out too late the tanker crew just wasn’t awake or gave a darn.


67 posted on 08/12/2012 11:03:34 AM PDT by Hulka
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To: ExNewsExSpook
No, the Captain will take the hit for this one, along with the officer of the deck, and (perhaps) the helmsman.

See #61

68 posted on 08/12/2012 11:04:50 AM PDT by dfwgator
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To: Slump Tester
But what if some of the officers are LGBT, women or minorities? That would be racist AND sexist.

You have a point.

69 posted on 08/12/2012 11:06:37 AM PDT by Mark17 (California, where English is a foreign language)
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To: Pappy Smear

Not to be too cynical. . .but with the commander a minority of some sort and the executive officer a split-tail, I think their careers will be protected.


70 posted on 08/12/2012 11:06:56 AM PDT by Hulka
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To: Uriah_lost

One would think so. . .but as the ships webpage shows, the CO is a minority of some sort and the XO a female. . .not sure the Navy has the balls to remove BOTH or put a halt to their careers.


71 posted on 08/12/2012 11:09:26 AM PDT by Hulka
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To: Paladin2
Getting PT-109 split in half worked out OK for a Kennedy.

His old man probably bought the Navy 10 new PT boats.

72 posted on 08/12/2012 11:09:39 AM PDT by Mark17 (California, where English is a foreign language)
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To: Paladin2

Nimitz grounded the destroyer Decatur on a sandbar in the Philippines in 1908. He was court-martialed and received a letter of reprimand. It was early enough in his career that he was able to overcome the setback through tireless effort in a lot of seemingly unglamorous assignments for the time: work on subs and oilers for almost 20 years.

I don’t know if anyone in today’s Navy could repeat Nimitz’s feat.


73 posted on 08/12/2012 11:20:38 AM PDT by BradyLS (DO NOT FEED THE BEARS!)
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To: MasterGunner01
Oops. left out this one.

3. The collision between USS HOBSON (DD-465/DMS-26) and USS WASP (CV-18) on 26 April 1952 killed 176 sailors aboard HOBSON, including the captain. There were 61 survivors. The DD was cut in two by the carrier amidships and the Halves rolled over and sank. The collision happened at night, 600 miles West of the Azores in the North Atlantic.

74 posted on 08/12/2012 11:33:49 AM PDT by MasterGunner01 (11)
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To: Surrounded_too
This was no accident.

Determined from someone sitting at a keyboard in their Mom's basement, no doubt.

The tanker is a floating bomb and is a new weapon of choice.

Crude oil isn't an explosive, and I don't know of a single instance of a crude tanker being used as a weapon.

Anything that comes ram-speed towards our ships should be sunk first and ask questions later, especially in hostile zones.

You have no idea what the Tanker's speed was or whether it had "turned toward" the destroyer; it well could have been five knots.

And as collision avoidance, "sinking" an approaching supertanker is physically impossible, especially for a Destroyer. The best decision is to stay out of their way.

So I ask for about the millionth time - what motivates people to post about subjects they don't know anything about?

75 posted on 08/12/2012 11:36:02 AM PDT by Strategerist
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To: Hulka
"Could be the US Navy ship had right-of-way but found out too late the tanker crew just wasn’t awake or gave a darn."

Small dogs are always nervous that someone will step on them or kick them and strongly tend to be always on the alert to scurry out of the way on short notice. Big dogs tend to just lie there as they know you are just going to trip over them if you don't know they are there..

Same with ships. In a small sailboat, stay out of the way of the commercial ships in the channel. If you are driving a destroyer and your carrier turns to start taking incoming planes, don't plan to cross the carrier's bow. Besides, carriers can easily win a race with shorter vessels if they hit the gas.

76 posted on 08/12/2012 11:46:21 AM PDT by Paladin2
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To: Strategerist
"what motivates people to post about subjects they don't know anything about?"

They feel an overwhelming drive to announce to the universe that they failed Physics?

77 posted on 08/12/2012 11:48:40 AM PDT by Paladin2
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To: MasterGunner01

Apparently the captain overruled the staff and decided to cut across the carrier’s bow instead of throttling back and passing behind. Oops.


78 posted on 08/12/2012 11:50:39 AM PDT by Paladin2
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To: MasterGunner01

79 posted on 08/12/2012 11:53:15 AM PDT by Paladin2
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To: Paladin2

I always thought that fatboy Teddy capsized & sank his Oldsmobile.


80 posted on 08/12/2012 12:29:05 PM PDT by Nebr FAL owner
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To: wally_bert

In Nam, in 1965, we ran our Swift Boat aground on a sand spit...the Navy acted like it was an aircraft carrier.

The boat commander wasn’t sacked, but was the only officer who did not receive promotion in the entire year.


81 posted on 08/12/2012 12:52:04 PM PDT by Cuttnhorse
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To: moose07

What timing!


82 posted on 08/12/2012 1:07:24 PM PDT by KittyKares (.)
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To: Hulka

It ain’t just third world. I would invite you to visit some of the bars near Cherry Point in Washington state where the tanker crews hang. I’ve heard a number of conversations that go something like this:

“Hey Billy, what time is it?”
“Twelve-thirty.”
“What time do we shove?”
“One AM.”
“How far’s the refinery?”
“’Bout ten miles.”
“Hey honey! Me and my bud got time for two more apiece - then we gotta take off. We’re sailin’ with the tide...”

All that aside, given the location of the damage and the ships’ relative manuverability, it’s hard to see how the tanker isn’t the stand-on vessel.


83 posted on 08/12/2012 1:29:51 PM PDT by stormer
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To: Paladin2

Makes sense. Thanks.


84 posted on 08/12/2012 1:44:45 PM PDT by Hulka
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To: stormer

Interesting.

Can you tell me what “a “stand-on vessel” is?

Thanks.


85 posted on 08/12/2012 1:46:50 PM PDT by Hulka
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To: norwaypinesavage
Particularly, this hit looks it might be near the stern, meaning the destroyer would have had the right-of-way.

The more-maneuverable vessel is supposed to give way to the less-maneuverable vessel, I think. Tankers do not turn on a dime. The destroyer captain was responsible for ensuring that he did not collide with anything. he is toast.

86 posted on 08/12/2012 1:54:01 PM PDT by PapaBear3625 (A deep-fried storm is coming, Mr Obama.)
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To: Hulka
The "stand-on" vessel is the one that maintains its course and speed, the maneuvering vessel is the one...well, you get the idea. You wouldn't want both ships attempting to maneuver at once or it might make matters worse.

That changes in extremis, or where collision appears unavoidable. By then, though, if you're in a supertanker you're pretty much hosed.

87 posted on 08/12/2012 1:57:36 PM PDT by Billthedrill
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To: Nebr FAL owner
At low tide it was partly out of the water.

Maybe he let it go turtle and then ran it aground?

88 posted on 08/12/2012 1:59:38 PM PDT by Paladin2
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To: Hulka

It’s just common sense to avoid being “dead right”.


89 posted on 08/12/2012 2:01:23 PM PDT by Paladin2
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To: Cuttnhorse
With something as small as a swift boat, you are only aground if you can't get off through ballast shifting, friendly tow, rising tide, etc.

No harm, no foul on sand as long as nothing gets bent.

90 posted on 08/12/2012 2:06:39 PM PDT by Paladin2
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To: wally_bert
I just gotta call

on that whole story. No CO these days or even 20 years ago can just "hide" from higher authority by going silent for a couple of days. The entire chain of command would freak unless it was part of a planned EMCON exercise. Additionally, every grounding generates a lessons learned message that we QMs would get for training. I'm not going to say my memory is perfect, but I don't recall anything about a Nicholson grounding in the early-mid '90s, nor can I find anything mention of it on the net.

91 posted on 08/12/2012 2:08:21 PM PDT by GATOR NAVY
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To: PapaBear3625
The more-maneuverable vessel is supposed to give way to the less-maneuverable vessel, I think.

Although there are situations where that is applicable, in general it's not that simple. Here are the rules if you care to peruse them Navigation Rules International-Inland.

The destroyer captain was responsible for ensuring that he did not collide with anything. he is toast.

That statement is correct.

92 posted on 08/12/2012 2:20:25 PM PDT by GATOR NAVY
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To: GATOR NAVY
Although there are situations where that is applicable, in general it's not that simple. Here are the rules if you care to peruse them

I was thinking more in terms of practicality than formal rules. When I'm driving, I don't insist on right-of-way with large trucks.

93 posted on 08/12/2012 2:25:41 PM PDT by PapaBear3625 (A deep-fried storm is coming, Mr Obama.)
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To: PapaBear3625

It’s a different situation at sea. Here we have two power driven vessels in open waters. One ship is the give-way vessel, required to maneuver to avoid collision and the other is the stand-on vessel, required to maintain its course and speed. And the determination of which vessel is which all has do with how the two ships are meeting, crossing or overtaking. It has nothing to do with the size or speed or maneuverability of either vessel.

While the stand-on vessel is not required to maintain course and speed until the the give-way vessel hits it, unnecessary maneuvering by the stand-on vessel can easily turn what could have a straight forward situation into a total charlie foxtrot.


94 posted on 08/12/2012 3:20:13 PM PDT by GATOR NAVY
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To: omega4179

Depends on circumstances. Ltjg Chester Nimitz grounded his destroyer in Caviti before WWI. At his courts martial, he proved the Navy provided navigation charts were inaccurate.
He was exonerated of any wrong doing and we know how his career turned out.


95 posted on 08/12/2012 4:23:33 PM PDT by X Fretensis
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To: tanknetter

Dont forget Frank Evans


96 posted on 08/12/2012 4:31:34 PM PDT by X Fretensis
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To: norwaypinesavage
Particularly, this hit looks it might be near the stern, meaning the destroyer would have had the right-of-way. That said, it's lights out for the destroyer skipper.

Nope. It's forward. You can see the octagonal SPY-1D radar array at the top of the picture, which is on the forward superstructure.

So forward, starboard side, making the tanker the stand-on vessel, two ways (Three if you count manouverability)

97 posted on 08/12/2012 5:43:50 PM PDT by Oztrich Boy (Internet fun fact: There is 1 person named walter wawra in Kalamazoo, MI.)
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To: llevrok

The OOD and CO’s worst nightmare. As a former SWO, my worst fears were running aground and collision. You have to been pretty careless to hit a tanker, unless there were extenuating circumstances.


98 posted on 08/12/2012 5:49:05 PM PDT by kgrif_Salinas
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To: Surrounded_too
This was no accident.

Right so far.

My read. The captain was attempting to emulate the Ady Gil and harass the tanker. With even less justification, as the Ady Gil could techically argue it was the stand on vessel.

How does it feel to know that a USN destroyer driver is a bigger screw-up than Sea Shepherd?

Anything that comes ram-speed towards our ships should be sunk first and ask questions later, especially in hostile zones.

Exactly where on the ColRegs does it state that US flag ships have right of way?

99 posted on 08/12/2012 6:06:27 PM PDT by Oztrich Boy (Internet fun fact: There is 1 person named walter wawra in Kalamazoo, MI.)
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To: tanknetter

In a bit of irony the Kennedy/Belknap collision occurred on the 12th anniversary of JFK’s assassination.


100 posted on 08/12/2012 6:23:25 PM PDT by Delhi Rebels (There was a row in Silver Street - the regiments was out.)
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