Posted on 08/12/2012 1:10:08 PM PDT by Da Bilge Troll
his answer bother me. We need government intervention to save capitalism is what he is saying
Excellent circumlocution, Ryan. Sounded just like Obama in defending his TARP vote.
he better have a good one
Yes, I agree. He had to violate the founding precepts of our republic in order to be able to restore them later.
In a war, you dont always get to have the choices you want.
I rest my case.
Paul Ryan is a good man. We republicans have to stop self destructing.
It’s the lack of leadership that is always most bothersome. Why does the media paint him as a conservative leader? If he were a leader, he would have taken a stand and not voted for these bills. But he’s the most conservative RINO of all the others Romney was considering.
I trust the guy. Sometimes in a war you have to retreat and bide your time until you can get a clear show at the enemy - think Sam Houston retreating before Santa Anna after the fall of the Alamo until he caught the Mexican Army and destroyed it. If you read Ryan’s answer he is a very astute politician who understands what is possible and what is tilting at windmills.....I was impressed with his answer on TARP....that if the deflationary depression hit at that time we counld have had a complete run to socialism. Now, in 2013, when it threatens again we will have the congress and the presidency to take the medicine and time to let the economy heal.
Neither man was necessarily wrong about the TARP. What was wrong about the chain of decisions made over the preceding 18 months which led to the near collapse of the banking system. As a stopgap, it may have been necessary, but then Obama began using this reserve as a kind of slush fund for all kinds of stuff. Not so sure about these founding principle things. Hamiltons national bank was not foreseen by the Constitutional Convention, which was why Madison broke with his erstwhile ally over the issue. Madison would have won if Jefferson had not brokered a deal. Short term, Hamiltons plan was a good fix, but then we seen speculators gaming the system to make a ton of money/going broke. Jefferson was soon aghast at what he had done and began working to correct his mistake. Our Founders were great men, but even Ted Williams only hit over .400 for a single year.
The latest description for Ryan coming from the administration and media is: “Ryan is a right wing radical who wants to take away the safety net for seniors, make drastic cuts which hurt the poor and middle class and give tax cuts for the rich.”
The irony os that analogy is that ole Sam had to be talked into the attack. His plan was to provoke the Mexicans into following him closer to the Louisiana border, where Taylors force was waiting. Old Rough and Ready would have taken Santa Anna’s force apart. BUT Santa Anna may have been smart enough to stop short. IAC. he sure wasnt expecting an attack, and Houston had learned war from Jackson.
Do you have one where he explains his votes for the Medicare Plan D and No Union Teacher Left Behind?
Not at all, the economy NEEDS to deflate from the current inflation. The economy have too much money mis allocated. Too many industries are in a bubble. Some industries simply needs to go bankrupt so that viable ones can begin. Without this cleaning process, the economy will never recover. Its like a person on drug, needs to go thru withdrawal to cure itself. Ryan is saying, we need the drug to keep us from going into withdrawal as its painful. Deflation is not something we need to fight. Its capitalism cure for the system.
During Reagan, interest rate was set to 20% to deflate the money supply. We need something similar for this economy to recover
There is a right way to vote and there is a wrong way to vote, if you vote the wrong way all the mumbo jumbo coming out of your mouth cannot and will not make it a good vote. All the lip stick in the world will not adhere to the lips of that particular swine.
You can look at this two ways:
1) Ryan is a good conservative who got caught up in the politics of the moment and tried to make bad votes into better votes.
2) Ryan is a good RINO who votes for what the establishment wants at crucial junctures.
I agree with you 100% The system needs to collapse so that we can wipe out all the bad investments. In fact, I believe we have no choice...deflation is already baked into the cake. And Ryan believes that also. My only point was that by delaying the inevitable until the GOP (scum bag RINO’s and Tea Party conservative all) is in charge of all branches of the Government ( hopefully in 2013) we have a better chance of saving the system of capitalism from a panicked population than if Obama and his commies are in charge.
Not buying his vote on TARP, but Ryan is a thousand times better than anyone in this current administration. I think that Ryan is a capable man who will be asset to Romney should he get elected.
Back in 2010, I would have been less forgiving of Ryan for these votes. But after seeing Cesar Obammus and his Chicago thugs twist arms, issue executive orders and stomp all over the Consititution in the past few years, Ryan is probably right. This band of Bolsheviks was going to get their way one way or another. Ryan was simply not put in a position to win.
All water under the bridge now. There’s not an alternative right now.
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