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Complaints prompt water park to end discounts for church groups
FoxNews.com ^ | August 13, 2012 | Mike Jaccarino

Posted on 08/13/2012 3:29:17 PM PDT by Hunton Peck

Now, no one gets the discount.

A water park in the heart of the Bible Belt is ending the $5-per-person discount it had been offering on its entrance fee to church groups after the head of a secular charity that caters to inner-city youths requested the same deal for its kids.

The Willow Springs Water Park in Little Rock, Ark., had been knocking a few dollars off the price of admission for people who came to the park with their church group. The entrance fee was lowered 50 percent to $5 for children who came in that context. However, when Leifel Jackson, executive director of Reaching Our Children and Neighborhoods (ROCAN), a secular non-profit that seeks to help inner-city youth, asked if the 35 kids he wanted to bring to the park could get the same discount, he was rebuffed by a park office worker.

The park, which hosts Bible camps throughout the summer and has long catered to church groups, charges $15 for adults, $10 for children under 15 years of age, and $9-a-head for groups over 15 people. The park knocks $6 off admission for firefighters, law enforcement and members of the military.

Undeterred, Jeff Poleet, a second ROCAN administrator, phoned David Ratliff, Willow Spring Water Park's owner, to complain about what he felt was a discriminatory practice.

As a result, Ratliff decided to cancel the church-group discounts, rather than give ROCAN the same.... But the story doesn't end there.

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TOPICS: Culture/Society; US: Arkansas
KEYWORDS: discount; privateproperty; religion; waterpark

1 posted on 08/13/2012 3:29:27 PM PDT by Hunton Peck
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To: Hunton Peck

Freedom for property owners is a thing of the past. A business owner should be able to give discounts to anybody he wants or not at all.


2 posted on 08/13/2012 3:34:35 PM PDT by jwalsh07 (.)
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To: Hunton Peck

Perhaps he should re-institute the program on a rebate basis, depending on the observed collective behavior of the groups. A little video footage goes a long way.


3 posted on 08/13/2012 3:35:08 PM PDT by pingman ("Human history seems logical in afterthought, but a mystery in forethought." (Strauss & Howe))
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To: Hunton Peck

Well, next thing you know, they’ll be having to give discounts to Boy Scouts, basketball teams, the Bloods and Crips, Hells Angels, used car salesmen, nudist colonies, Satan worshipers, actuaries, packer/munchers, child molesters, Renault owners....any kind of group.


4 posted on 08/13/2012 3:37:54 PM PDT by ROCKLOBSTER (Celebrate Republicans Freed the Slaves Month.)
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To: Hunton Peck
Later in the article:

A Pennsylvania atheist filed a grievance with the state's Human Relations Commission this summer after he learned that Prudhomme’s Lost Cajun Kitchen in Columbia was offering a 10 percent discount on meals to people who brought their church bulletin with them . . . the restaurant's owner refused to halt the promotion. And the matter is still pending before the secular Pennsylvania commission.

I am disgusted with this self-righteous bully; what kind of person thinks he has the right to dictate pricing policy and business decisions to a private company? I am equally disgusted that a "Pennsylvania Human Relations Commission" even exists. If that was my restaurant, I would plaster the thuggish Atheist's name everywhere I could - to encourage the decent people of the town to shun him, which I'd assume they are mostly doing already simply because of equally revolting behavior in his other daily activities.

5 posted on 08/13/2012 3:44:22 PM PDT by Pollster1 (Freedom is never more than one generation away from extinction. - Ronald Reagan)
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To: Hunton Peck

The attacks on Christians never seem to cease and continue from vandalizing Chick-Fil-A’s, to burning churches, killing Christians, forcing mosques in our Christian communities, imposing gay marriage in our cites and now eliminating discounts for Christians at a water park.


6 posted on 08/13/2012 3:47:09 PM PDT by Uncle Slayton
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To: Hunton Peck

I may be reaching here, but on balance, church youth groups juuuust might be a little less prone to violence than inner city youts.


7 posted on 08/13/2012 3:48:04 PM PDT by mkleesma (`Call to me, and I will answer you and tell you great and unsearchable things you do not know.')
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To: Hunton Peck

I may be reaching here, but on balance, church youth groups juuuust might be a little less prone to violence than inner city youts.


8 posted on 08/13/2012 3:48:27 PM PDT by mkleesma (`Call to me, and I will answer you and tell you great and unsearchable things you do not know.')
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To: jwalsh07

But you’re assuming absolute liberty to do that. In Obama’s America, liberty is old and tired, and grandpa government is here to stay.


9 posted on 08/13/2012 3:51:10 PM PDT by wastedyears ("God? I didn't know he was signed onto the system.")
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To: mkleesma

I’m sure this doesn’t come as news, but there are plenty of church youth groups that include inner-city kids. It’s not where the kids come from, but the purpose for which they’re gathered.


10 posted on 08/13/2012 3:58:19 PM PDT by Hunton Peck (This too, shall pass, unless we're in Harry Reid's Senate and "this" is a budget.)
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To: Hunton Peck

Looks like a reclaimed gravel pit. I’ll pass on Inner City Youth discount day.


11 posted on 08/13/2012 3:59:16 PM PDT by AndrewB (FUBO)
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To: Hunton Peck

I know what everyone is saying here, but this one rubs me the wrong way. Why did they cancel the church program rathe than giving the discount to the inner city kids? I know all about private property but this just doesn’t seem like the right decision — it seems like cutting off you nose to spite your face. And like it or not, we’ve lived for a long time in a world where you can’t favor one religion or group over another. You can’t give Christians a discount over non-Christians in any business, just like you can’t give whites a discount over blacks. Once again, I understand and sympathize with the arguments that private businesses should be able to do what they want to do but we have not lived in that world for 40 or 50 years with anti-discrimination laws.


12 posted on 08/13/2012 4:04:31 PM PDT by Opinionated Blowhard ("When the people find they can vote themselves money, that will herald the end of the republic.")
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To: Opinionated Blowhard

“Ladies pay no cover charge”
“Free ladies night”
...


13 posted on 08/13/2012 4:15:54 PM PDT by Ingtar ("As the light begins to fade in the city on the hill")
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To: Opinionated Blowhard

I’m not an expert, but I’m pretty sure your interpretation of the Federal anti-discrimination laws is incorrect, for now.

You never know when those laws will sprout new penumbras and eminences, though.


14 posted on 08/13/2012 4:17:37 PM PDT by Hunton Peck (This too, shall pass, unless we're in Harry Reid's Senate and "this" is a budget.)
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To: Hunton Peck

If I were Mr. Ratliff, I would, following each church group at full admission, make a sunday visit to that congregation. I would say hello, and drop an offering in the plate in cash. It is a free country. One just has to be a little smarter.


15 posted on 08/13/2012 4:36:53 PM PDT by healy61
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To: Hunton Peck

Is this the same water park where Katy Perry’s bathing suit fell off? Forget the discount, I’ll pay full price for that.


16 posted on 08/13/2012 4:39:58 PM PDT by JediJones (Too Hot for GOP TV: Newt Gingrich, Sarah Palin, Allen West and Donald Trump)
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To: Hunton Peck

Promoting good is against the law. It discriminates against evil.


17 posted on 08/13/2012 4:46:24 PM PDT by LearsFool ("Thou shouldst not have been old, till thou hadst been wise.")
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To: Opinionated Blowhard

It’s hard to say on either this one or the other one in the article where the guy gave a discount if you brought in your church bulletin. You couldn’t legally give a discount only to black people, but could you give a discount only to NAACP members? Couldn’t he make them private club members and give them special club pricing and make it a requirement of membership that they sign a document claiming membership in a church? Obviously not every form of special pricing for a certain group is considered discriminatory, a la ladies’ nights.


18 posted on 08/13/2012 4:55:08 PM PDT by JediJones (Too Hot for GOP TV: Newt Gingrich, Sarah Palin, Allen West and Donald Trump)
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To: jwalsh07
Freedom for property owners is a thing of the past. A business owner should be able to give discounts to anybody he wants or not at all.

Unless there's more to the story than is in the article (which, of course, is likely), I'm not sure I see a loss of freedom here. The water park offered discounts to church groups. The inner city youth group asked for the same discount, and was turned down. The group complained, directly to the water park, and the water park responded by eliminating the discount. The water park wasn't forced to do so by the government, they chose to do so.

Of course, there may well have been a legal threat of some kind in that second phone call (I'd almost be surprised if there wasn't), but absent that, it looks like the water park simply capitulated to the complaints. Nothing wrong with that - the group was free to complain, and the water park was free to respond as they saw fit.

19 posted on 08/13/2012 5:13:46 PM PDT by Conscience of a Conservative
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To: Hunton Peck
in this area in particular, we seem to have so many self-righteous religious people, so it just annoys me

so I decided to become a self-righteous non-religious person.

20 posted on 08/13/2012 5:24:43 PM PDT by Right Wing Assault (Dick Obama is more inexperienced now than he was before he was elected.)
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To: Hunton Peck

Last year, there was a case where a private pool had to close down because they refused to allow an inner city group to bring kids to it, and they would not change their policy, so they closed. (I don’t think it was a inner city church group, but I do think the distinction is important)

They HAD allowed those same inner city groups to rent the facilities, but they were so disruptive and destructive they vowed not to allow them in again.

So they were sued. And they closed up instead.

I don’t remember where it was, but I did read the news article on it.

This is different, apparently, and doesn’t look like it was this kind of thing. But I will admit that when I hear about interactions that businesses have with inner city youths, the context is important.


21 posted on 08/13/2012 5:25:10 PM PDT by rlmorel ("The safest road to Hell is the gradual one." Screwtape (C.S. Lewis))
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To: healy61
I would say hello, and drop an offering in the plate in cash.

I thought the same thing, but then I read the threat by the pesky lawyer who told him be had better not give any covert discount. I bet this prick has a private dick following this guy around, hoping to catch him making donations and file a billion dollar discrimination suit and sic the DOJ on him.

22 posted on 08/13/2012 5:29:13 PM PDT by Right Wing Assault (Dick Obama is more inexperienced now than he was before he was elected.)
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To: Pollster1
"...A Pennsylvania atheist filed a grievance with the state's Human Relations Commission this summer after he learned that Prudhomme’s Lost Cajun Kitchen in Columbia was offering a 10 percent discount on meals to people who brought their church bulletin with them. “I did this not out of spite, but out of a feeling against the prevailing self-righteousness that stems from religion, particularly in Lancaster County,” John Wolff, a retired electrical engineer, told the Intelligencer Journal of his decision to go toe-to-toe with the restaurant. “I don’t consider it an earthshaking affair, but in this area in particular, we seem to have so many self-righteous religious people, so it just annoys me.”

Militant atheists are undoubtedly the most miserable, obnoxious and annoying people there are on this earth. If they they are unhappy here, just wait until the go to the next place.

23 posted on 08/13/2012 5:29:52 PM PDT by rlmorel ("The safest road to Hell is the gradual one." Screwtape (C.S. Lewis))
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To: Conscience of a Conservative

You left out the part where the advocacy group threatened legal action ,meaning the government, which is why he acquiesced. The government will call his park a “public accommodation” and punish him if he doesn’t get right with the secularists. In a free country such a threat would not exist and people could frequent or not frequent his park based on his discount policies.


24 posted on 08/13/2012 5:30:10 PM PDT by jwalsh07 (.)
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To: jwalsh07

According to this article, at least, the “advocacy group” (read: thuggish lawyers) caught wind of this after the water park changed its policy, and threatened legal action if the water park reinstitutes the discount. Obviously that’s a problem, but that does not appear to have been a factor in the initial decision.


25 posted on 08/13/2012 6:11:00 PM PDT by Conscience of a Conservative
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To: Conscience of a Conservative

You have no conscience. :-} Why else would the owner change existing policy? One reason and one reason only, the threat of government hanging over his exposed neck.


26 posted on 08/13/2012 6:50:00 PM PDT by jwalsh07 (.)
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To: Hunton Peck

There’s some pretty clear rules here, and it is not particularly hard to operate legally if you follow them.

As far as the church groups go, that is probably the trickiest one. You can’t offer a discount for a church group *as such* without getting hassled; so you have to restructure the offer, perhaps as a coupon in an “advertisement annex” to a church bulletin. Creativity is a must to get away with this.

The deal about giving a discount for bringing in a church bulletin is not discriminatory, and the scoundrel’s statement that “I did this not out of spite”, is a bald faced lie.


27 posted on 08/13/2012 7:00:31 PM PDT by yefragetuwrabrumuy
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To: Hunton Peck

It’s their business! They have a right to do what they want.


28 posted on 08/13/2012 7:37:06 PM PDT by smalltownslick
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