Posted on 08/13/2012 9:58:08 PM PDT by blam
When They Come For Your Guns, You Will Turn Them Over
August 13, 2012
By Jim Karger
“When they come for my gun, they will have to pry it out of my cold, dead hands,” is a common refrain I often hear from the Neo-Cons when there is a threat, credible or otherwise, that the US government is going to take their firearms.
And, when I hear this crazy talk, I agree with them openly. “You are right. They will pry your gun from your cold dead hands,” which I often follow with the question, “And where will that leave you except face down in a pool of your own blood [in] the middle of the street, just another dead fool resisting the State?”
This is not a question they are comfortable with, if only because the intent of their saber-rattling was to imply they would fight to keep their weapons, and win.
Nice fantasy. It’s not happening.
If the federal government decides to disarm the public, and when the increasingly-militarized rolls down your street after a not-so-subtle request that you kindly turn over your firearms and ammunition “for the common good,” it will be nothing less than suicide by cop to do anything other than what you are told.
The militarization of US police forces is ongoing and escalating. Many cities and towns now own tanks, armed personnel carriers, even attack helicopters, and almost all are outfitted with military weapons not available to the general public.
And, it is not just your hometown cops who are getting new boy-toys. The military itself is buying up weaponry not just for use in the current or next scheduled war, but to deal with the likes of you, citizens who don’t seem to understand that the Bill of Rights has been overruled, and that specifically includes, but is not limited to, the right to protest and engage in civil disobedience.
Also ignored (as if it didn’t even exist) is the Posse Comitatus Act of 1878 which generally bars the military from law enforcement activities within the United States.
According to Public Intelligence:
“…for the last two years, the President’s Budget Submissions for the Department of Defense have included purchases of a significant amount of combat equipment, including armored vehicles, helicopters and even artillery, under an obscure section of the FY2008 National Defense Authorization Act (NDAA) for the purposes of ‘homeland defense missions, domestic emergency responses, and providing military support to civil authorities.’ Items purchased under the section include combat vehicles, tanks, helicopters, artillery, mortar systems, missiles, small arms and communications equipment. Justifications for the budget items indicate that many of the purchases are part of routine resupply and maintenance, yet in each case the procurement is cited as being ‘necessary for use by the active and reserve components of the Armed Forces for homeland defense missions, domestic emergency responses, and providing military support to civil authorities’ under section 1815 of the FY 2008 NDAA.”
And, they are not just arming cops and weekend warriors for domestic purposes. Active duty Marines are now being trained for law enforcement operations all over the world (of which the US remains a part) specifically to deal with civil uprisings, and the US government knows that civil uprisings are coming to a town near you just as soon as the fantasy of a healing economy is shattered, the US dollar fails, and unemployment goes to 30%+ in real numbers.
And, to you tough-talking Neo-Cons with your AR-15 rifles and a few thousand rounds of ammo, here is the reality: they will take your guns, and no, all your Second Amendment bluster aside, you are not going to do anything about it. You are not going to take on a platoon of Marines with state-of-the-art automatic weapons and the best body armor you cannot buy protected by armed personnel carriers and attack helicopters unless you choose to die that day — for nothing. You will either be in the country or out, and if you are in, you will stay in and you will comply.
That is your choice… for the moment.
That is nonsense.
The people will rise up and fight THE GOVERNMENT. Would you want to be delivering mail if the government is tyrannizing the people? Would you want to be a building inspector? A tax assessor?
Our Founders CAUSED their own monarchy to use its army against them. They did so by disobeying edicts which infringed fundamental human rights to freedom of speech, freedom of the press, freedom of assembly, and the right to keep and bear arms.
Rather than submit, they fought. When it made sense to do so, they stood shoulder-to-shoulder and fired multiple volleys at a superior force. In most cases, however, they located riflemen in the trees and picked off enemy officers. They attacked mercenaries on Christmas morning, defeating them handily after marching through ice and snow all night.
George Washington became the "Father of our Country" not by dying for his country, but by making the other SOB die for his country.
If, due to practical issues, I am forced to surrender my guns (lost recently in an unfortunate boating accident), I know where to find more. Every seargent's patrol car in Los Angeles has an assault rifle in the trunk. If the government arms the "Weather Service" that will make more arms available to the people.
On that day, Mr Karger will discover the power of the 3% of the gun owning populace that will neither submit or surrender. Like most liberal tyrants, Karger has no idea of the hell that would be unleashed on that day upon the minions of the gun grabbers.
Liberals only imagine a one dimensional war...where their intended victims die in place like dead fools should. Only war has many dimensions and to expect your enemy to react like you think he should is an invitation to an early grave.
The Kargers of the world will discover that it's time to feed the hogs.
There is no way the government can confiscate over 300 million firearms in the US.
The government is pretty incompetent at everything it does.
This is the same government that allowed over 13 million illegals to invade our country and won’t deport them because it wouldn’t be prudent to deport so many people.
The same thing applies to guns.
No public support for it and it is logistically impossible.
If confiscation takes place, it won’t be because of overt action, but a policy of attrition.
Yes, they will fire on US citizens. Google the “29 Palms Questionnaire”, circa 1998 or 99. Marines were asked if they would fire on American citizens if they were given a lawful order. Most answered yes. I’ve not seen this questionnaire since I first read in in the late 80s so I’ll need to find a copy if one is available. But what I’ve written above is really close to it.
RLY?
Who owns guns?
Beat me to it, had to look it up.
That is why we will die rather than surrender
our birthright.
Gosh, glad i knew it by memory! just kidding,, great minds think alike! And i agree, it’s our birthright.
And our GENERALS are now openly waving their gay pride flags.. If this scenario plays out before the entire military goes gay, there's gonna be a few dead high-ranking fags scattered about.
I would ask:
If the American people are simply going to hand over their guns then WHY all the petty gun control bans?
Why worry about "high capacity magazines" or "military style assault weapons"?
What are "they" so afraid of?
why haven't "they" collected all the guns already?
And that’s how you know that SOME of the recent so-called ‘random’ shootings are staged as the precursor for justifying such bans. The shootings the government REALLY wants us to never forget are the ones with bright, fluorescent hair involved.
What Good Can a Handgun Do Against An Army?
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-backroom/2312894/posts
How many of those Marines said that because they believed it and how many of them said that because they knew they’d be punished if they said otherwise? Questions on a piece of paper and actions on the field are two different things.
Also, the fact that even countries like Nazi Germany and the USSR had to create special political armies to deal with their civilian populations should say how much the military enjoys being used as a politician’s bully boys.
Where does that traditional soldier end up when he’s driven out?
How much loyalty do you think he’ll have to the government that forced him out?
Finally, if soldiers are being chosen nowadays for their political correctness rather than their combat skills, who does that give the advantage too?
I was looking for that exact passage several weeks ago but couldn’t remember who had said it. Powerful! Every schoolboy should be required to read it to graduate to middle school.
Thanks very much, you guys!
Makes this thread worth saving.
ping &
bookbump
You only will NEED to get ONE. All additional will be bonus, there are still enough freedom lovers to kick the statists asses when they crack down.
This Jim Karger clown has no idea what a neo con is. Neo’s are as gun shy as libs are. Most love gun control as in they would never own a gun. Think Bill Kristol and his dad who was a big time Neocon. I’m thinking this Karger guy just likes the sound of the word.
May 10, 1994 "Combat Arms Survey" administered to 300 active-duty Marines at the USMC's Air-Ground Combat Center, Twenty-Nine Palms, California
This is the same government that LOST MONEY selling hookers and booze when it ran the Mustang Ranch...
I don’t believe there is a level of incompetence higher than that.
I should have read through the entire thread before I posted. You already had it covered.
people like karger never did get it and never will
It’s usually the liberal/libertarian codeword for “Jew” and/or “Chickenhawk” meaning those who talk a good game but never wore a uniform. How that applies to the vast majority of American gun-owners I have no idea.
People like Karger will be the ones to rat out
their neighbors as the “right” think to do.
BIG talk...small thought.
First they close the highways...
Shut down the rails...
Switch off the electricity...
Turn off the natural gas...
Blow up the odd overpass or tunnel...
Let the local parasites do their “thing” for a few days, you get rid of a certain amount of ammo and work up a real thirst and serious hunger, and then here comes ‘Uncle Sugar’ to trade for information.
WE have screwed the pooch....Kapisch?
I think that Homeland Security is building "Obama's Civilian National Security Force" for that purpose.
Why Is Homeland Security Buying 450 Million Rounds of Hollow Point Bullets?
Barack Obama Quote:
"We cannot continue to rely on our military in order to achieve the national security objectives we’ve set. We’ve got to have a civilian national security force that’s just as powerful, just as strong, just as well-funded."
(Obama speech in Colorado Springs, Colorado, July 2, 2008)
“Neocon”? Seriously? “Neocon” is Leftist code for “Jew”. This Leftist expat doesn’t know what she’s talking about.
I can just imaging the orders be given: “Here is a list of all licensed hunters in Pennsylvania, please go disarm them.”
Ya right.
Perhaps not now.
And I don’t mean to denigrate the many fine young men & women out there today.
But I see an increasing number of antisocial, dead-end, under-educated (especially in matters Constitutional) yutes. They might think their government handout is what made this country great. Add to that illegal aliens whose national pride lies elsewhere.
As the numbers of these increase, the calculation changes.
Never mind the traditional military - what if the government saw fit to give these folks access to significant weaponry?
I don’t doubt there are some who might take advantage of the shift in the balance of power, and won’t let mere words stop them.
That might be true. But a large number would turn around and frag their commander’s ass...It has happened many times.
That might be true. But a large number would turn around and frag their commander’s ass...It has happened many times.
You mean like Hugo Chavez is doing?
Venezuela Plans A Million Strong ‘Guerrilla Army’ Against US Invasion
http://www.businessinsider.com/venezuela-trains-soldiers-in-guerilla-warfare-2012-8#ixzz23VW49RTC
I keep having occasion to post this, which I keep handy on my FR profile page. I am not happy about that.
“And how we burned in the camps later, thinking: What would things have been like if every Security operative, when he went out at night to make an arrest, had been uncertain whether he would return alive and had to say good-bye to his family? Or if, during periods of mass arrests, as for example in Leningrad, when they arrested a quarter of the entire city, people had not simply sat there in their lairs, paling with terror at every bang of the downstairs door and at every step on the staircase, but had understood they had nothing left to lose and had boldly set up in the downstairs hall an ambush of half a dozen people with axes, hammers, pokers, or whatever else was at hand?... The Organs would very quickly have suffered a shortage of officers and transport and, notwithstanding all of Stalin’s thirst, the cursed machine would have ground to a halt! If...if...We didn’t love freedom enough. And even more – we had no awareness of the real situation.... We purely and simply deserved everything that happened afterward.”
Aleksandr Solzhenitsyn - The Gulag Archipelago
Anyone who knows the history of 20th Century tyrants who doesn’t have a basic kit is a damn fool.
http://hawaii.edu/powerkills/20TH.HTM
The traditional soldier is being driven out.
Spirited: You are right. Our increasingly ‘liberalized’ military has been losing its’ traditional officers for years now and the current program is to rid it of traditional soldiers.
The conscienceless ruling elite are building a military and police force of demoralized, disloyal “yes-men” who if told to fire upon Americans will do so. As evidence of their success: Ruby Ridge, Waco, and the jack-booted seizure and forced return of an immigrant Cuban boy to communist Cuba a few years ago.
I’m behind the curve getting that posted, but check out the link for the numbers on what happens if you let things go.
Gun? What gun? Oh right, right, right, the pistol and rifle I registered a few years ago? You know about year ago I went hunting by myself and unfortunately had a bit to much beer and somehow lost both weapons in the mountains(forest etc).
I felt so dumb I never even reported the loss to the insurance company. Sorry I can’t help you.
“I say the police would turn tail and run at the first whiff of armed opposition.”
Trigger-happy cops “in fear for their lives” suddenly not so trigger-happy?
Guns? What guns? I lost all of mine in a boating accident. I swear!
Sure. The ‘state’ has been so successful in stopping gang violence and shootings in inner cities, like Chicago.....
From what I have seen through my life a good portion of cops are cowards. They pull in fat paychecks and talk tough when they know they have the upper hand.
SWAT and forced entry teams are full of themselves when they can break down doors of citizens in the dark of night, shoot the family dog and then tie up the women and children.
They will run like the true cowards they are when they find out a pissed off citizenry has them surrounded and are picking them off from every angle. Body armor or not, an inner thigh shot with even a bolt action rifle will ruin their day and multiply that by a couple dozen or more free citizens those bolt action rifles will convince them who really owns this Country, and it won’t be them.
The cop that tries to confiscate my weapons will commit suicide by citizen before I am a victim of suicide by cop!
WELL, you know obammy and holder won’t start disarming Watts, South Chicago, Liberty City first now don’t ya?
82nd Airbourne will have quite a time doing that.
“If the federal government decides to disarm the public, and when the increasingly-militarized rolls down your street after a not-so-subtle request that you kindly turn over your firearms and ammunition...”
It’s not necessary to be a hard case or even particularly courageous to carry out civil disobedience.
In such a case as the author suggests, millions of firearms will “go missing” to such an extent that three generations down the road they’ll STILL be digging them out of landfills, forest or desert or mountain or swampland caches, from behind walls, bricked up under patios, wrapped in oilskins and hidden in lakes or down drains or in pipes or even cesspools, up in the rafters... to effectively disarm America, the military - assuming they would even execute such an order - would have to quite literally dismantle the nation.
It ain’t gonna happen.
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