Skip to comments.When They Come For Your Guns, You Will Turn Them Over
Posted on 08/13/2012 9:58:08 PM PDT by blam
When They Come For Your Guns, You Will Turn Them Over
August 13, 2012
By Jim Karger
When they come for my gun, they will have to pry it out of my cold, dead hands, is a common refrain I often hear from the Neo-Cons when there is a threat, credible or otherwise, that the US government is going to take their firearms.
And, when I hear this crazy talk, I agree with them openly. You are right. They will pry your gun from your cold dead hands, which I often follow with the question, And where will that leave you except face down in a pool of your own blood [in] the middle of the street, just another dead fool resisting the State?
This is not a question they are comfortable with, if only because the intent of their saber-rattling was to imply they would fight to keep their weapons, and win.
Nice fantasy. Its not happening.
If the federal government decides to disarm the public, and when the increasingly-militarized rolls down your street after a not-so-subtle request that you kindly turn over your firearms and ammunition for the common good, it will be nothing less than suicide by cop to do anything other than what you are told.
The militarization of US police forces is ongoing and escalating. Many cities and towns now own tanks, armed personnel carriers, even attack helicopters, and almost all are outfitted with military weapons not available to the general public.
And, it is not just your hometown cops who are getting new boy-toys. The military itself is buying up weaponry not just for use in the current or next scheduled war, but to deal with the likes of you, citizens who dont seem to understand that the Bill of Rights has been overruled, and that specifically includes, but is not limited to, the right to protest and engage in civil disobedience.
Also ignored (as if it didnt even exist) is the Posse Comitatus Act of 1878 which generally bars the military from law enforcement activities within the United States.
According to Public Intelligence:
for the last two years, the Presidents Budget Submissions for the Department of Defense have included purchases of a significant amount of combat equipment, including armored vehicles, helicopters and even artillery, under an obscure section of the FY2008 National Defense Authorization Act (NDAA) for the purposes of homeland defense missions, domestic emergency responses, and providing military support to civil authorities. Items purchased under the section include combat vehicles, tanks, helicopters, artillery, mortar systems, missiles, small arms and communications equipment. Justifications for the budget items indicate that many of the purchases are part of routine resupply and maintenance, yet in each case the procurement is cited as being necessary for use by the active and reserve components of the Armed Forces for homeland defense missions, domestic emergency responses, and providing military support to civil authorities under section 1815 of the FY 2008 NDAA.
And, they are not just arming cops and weekend warriors for domestic purposes. Active duty Marines are now being trained for law enforcement operations all over the world (of which the US remains a part) specifically to deal with civil uprisings, and the US government knows that civil uprisings are coming to a town near you just as soon as the fantasy of a healing economy is shattered, the US dollar fails, and unemployment goes to 30%+ in real numbers.
And, to you tough-talking Neo-Cons with your AR-15 rifles and a few thousand rounds of ammo, here is the reality: they will take your guns, and no, all your Second Amendment bluster aside, you are not going to do anything about it. You are not going to take on a platoon of Marines with state-of-the-art automatic weapons and the best body armor you cannot buy protected by armed personnel carriers and attack helicopters unless you choose to die that day for nothing. You will either be in the country or out, and if you are in, you will stay in and you will comply.
That is your choice
for the moment.
Another ad hominem. Ring me when you can address the argument on the merits.
Go hide. Run away. Or worse, capitulate.
We literally do not need, nor want, people like you...
It's one thing to plan for the worst, it's quite another to be an unthinking pessimist ready to roll over in submission.
You and Code Toad posit that magical 24 hours.
Ninety percent likely would not hear a thing in 24 hours, or if they did, would not be able to confirm it and get alarmed.
As for illusions, people stockpile those too, for just such occasions.
Again, many here are underestimating the govt.
“We live in an age of instant widespread communication.”
If you think that will still be the case when they come around to collect the guns, I think you might be disappointed.
Just ran across this book today. Looks fascinating
Defiance of the Patriots: The Boston Tea Party and the Making of America
Head Like A Hole
Bow down before the one you serve.
You're going to get what you deserve.
Bow down at the feet of your god .gov.
May your chains rest lightly.
Kindly point to me where I “mocked special ops.”
1 if by land. 2 if by sea.
More than one way to spread the word and it’ll take them a lot longer than 24 hours to sweep even one major city much less everywhere at once.
“Again, many here are underestimating the govt.”
No, we know exactly what the government has; we built it, we were employed by it, we engineered it, we trained it, we supplied it, we created it. We know, you don’t, but we do.
You seem to think government is this magical beast that come from on high with God-like powers. We know otherwise.
Seems the argument is unclear. Kindly clarify it and its merits.
“Not to mention special optimists! “
You may be an idiot, but we all know what you meant by that.
10% is plenty.
There can be room made there. I’m assuming they’ll probably put them in the trunk (right over the gas tank).
“We are just a bunch of guys with guns. Sorry to say this. “
I think we are a bit more than that. We may not be a regulated militia with infrastructure, but we know what infrastructure is and should be. Such things are actually outlawed in most States but should all Hell break loose then those rules no longer apply and I think you would see our capabilities come to bear very quickly. There are millions of us that are extremely well trained and professionals at what we do. That regulated militia would happen very quickly and i think you’ll be surprised by how well equipped it is.
Thanks for playing, but your posts to me are really quite lame. Imputing to them things I haven’t written; ad hominem attack; baseless insinuations.
I quite understand I’ve ruffled some feathers, but I see no obligation to smoothe them.
I wish you guys were writing the script for Iraq and Afghanistan. We would have had total victory within two weeks. Looking at the advantages of the U.S. juggernaut in isolation of our vulnerabilities is nothing new, but it's also nothing that's panned out for us yet.
The thing is, in any operation, the enemy gets a vote. Everything you do causes a reaction, which causes other reactions. If this wasn't the case, then we would have won in any number of our overseas adventures very quickly.
The U.S. military (and the paramilitarized U.S. law enforcement) are plagued with systemic structural weaknesses in thinking and execution that have crippled our ability to win wars. These have gotten worse over time and continue unabated. If you think that those flaws will do anything other than increase ten-fold were they to turn their focus inward, I've got some beachfront property on Mars to sell you.
The U.S. security apparatus is a machine of incredible, staggering strength, built on a spiderweb of weak joints. It would win effortlessly at first. Terrifyingly so. Then it will unravel at the seams as those joints rattle themselves apart or are targeted and broken.
If my argument was unclear to anyone, I recommend reading it again, more slowly.
As noted in #269: don’t underestimate the communication bandwidth of a couple lamps and a horse.
“Its the Neo-Cons that arent talking that you have to worry about.”
- worth saying again.