Posted on 08/13/2012 9:58:08 PM PDT by blam
When They Come For Your Guns, You Will Turn Them Over
August 13, 2012
By Jim Karger
“When they come for my gun, they will have to pry it out of my cold, dead hands,” is a common refrain I often hear from the Neo-Cons when there is a threat, credible or otherwise, that the US government is going to take their firearms.
And, when I hear this crazy talk, I agree with them openly. “You are right. They will pry your gun from your cold dead hands,” which I often follow with the question, “And where will that leave you except face down in a pool of your own blood [in] the middle of the street, just another dead fool resisting the State?”
This is not a question they are comfortable with, if only because the intent of their saber-rattling was to imply they would fight to keep their weapons, and win.
Nice fantasy. It’s not happening.
If the federal government decides to disarm the public, and when the increasingly-militarized rolls down your street after a not-so-subtle request that you kindly turn over your firearms and ammunition “for the common good,” it will be nothing less than suicide by cop to do anything other than what you are told.
The militarization of US police forces is ongoing and escalating. Many cities and towns now own tanks, armed personnel carriers, even attack helicopters, and almost all are outfitted with military weapons not available to the general public.
And, it is not just your hometown cops who are getting new boy-toys. The military itself is buying up weaponry not just for use in the current or next scheduled war, but to deal with the likes of you, citizens who don’t seem to understand that the Bill of Rights has been overruled, and that specifically includes, but is not limited to, the right to protest and engage in civil disobedience.
Also ignored (as if it didn’t even exist) is the Posse Comitatus Act of 1878 which generally bars the military from law enforcement activities within the United States.
According to Public Intelligence:
“…for the last two years, the President’s Budget Submissions for the Department of Defense have included purchases of a significant amount of combat equipment, including armored vehicles, helicopters and even artillery, under an obscure section of the FY2008 National Defense Authorization Act (NDAA) for the purposes of ‘homeland defense missions, domestic emergency responses, and providing military support to civil authorities.’ Items purchased under the section include combat vehicles, tanks, helicopters, artillery, mortar systems, missiles, small arms and communications equipment. Justifications for the budget items indicate that many of the purchases are part of routine resupply and maintenance, yet in each case the procurement is cited as being ‘necessary for use by the active and reserve components of the Armed Forces for homeland defense missions, domestic emergency responses, and providing military support to civil authorities’ under section 1815 of the FY 2008 NDAA.”
And, they are not just arming cops and weekend warriors for domestic purposes. Active duty Marines are now being trained for law enforcement operations all over the world (of which the US remains a part) specifically to deal with civil uprisings, and the US government knows that civil uprisings are coming to a town near you just as soon as the fantasy of a healing economy is shattered, the US dollar fails, and unemployment goes to 30%+ in real numbers.
And, to you tough-talking Neo-Cons with your AR-15 rifles and a few thousand rounds of ammo, here is the reality: they will take your guns, and no, all your Second Amendment bluster aside, you are not going to do anything about it. You are not going to take on a platoon of Marines with state-of-the-art automatic weapons and the best body armor you cannot buy protected by armed personnel carriers and attack helicopters unless you choose to die that day — for nothing. You will either be in the country or out, and if you are in, you will stay in and you will comply.
That is your choice… for the moment.
So that is an excuse to not even START?
Enough double-talk. I think your inability or unwillingness to articulate your position is demonstrated well enough.
So use a sawed-off shotgun or .22 semiauto rifle instead, but keep your handgun as a backup. I expect cutdown .22s and shotguns will be the real killers once the urban cesspools downward spiral really pick up speed, and that'll include Direct Action killings.
Then your opinion is of little value. It is a far cry from abhoring what is "allowed" (such as abortion) to abhoring what is "demanded" (such as quartering troops).
How do I get a tank? I need a tank! ;-)
She's right. However, a lot of the stuff she mentions happens "to someone else" or is avoidable (ie; not flying because the TSA sucks).
For most folks, it won't really be driven home until THEY are threatening to come to your house and take your arms by force.
That's what they call a "game changer", a "deal breaker", a "last line in the sand".
On that day, all bets are off. Period.
However if it's "that time" it's not that hard to set an ambush, and the high level bureaucrats have to leave their offices and homes at some point.
You win that bet. I've been working on the accumulation of one million rounds, and I'm about halfway there, about half of which is .22 Long Rifle, 5000 of which fit very nicely in a .50 caliber metal ammo can.
Why? Remember the so-called *Million Mom March* They were exaggerating, considerably. I'm not.
Don’t be ridiculous. I don’t take requests. I have articulated my position fully and you’re asking for an indefinitely long exposition of the obvious, which may never satisfy you, at no charge on my time. I’m not biting.
No. I consider them "evils" that are "sufferable." And it would seem the greater balance of the people agree with me.
Knowing the idiot dictators, they'll be happy to televise it as a warning to the rest of the populace, although I believe it will have the opposite effect.
It doesn't matter how the incident is spun, if the government is coming for all weapons, the actual message of such confrontations will be vividly clear.
Hopefully we'll never have to see this come to pass, but I am well prepared for it.
“I would hope you are right but this happened very SLOWLY in our revolution. “
It never really did gain momentum until the Winter of 1976 with the crossing of the Delaware. Even then it never received full equipment and funding. There are two lessons in that.
1. You don’t need to be a fully equipped, well funded, army to defeat a superior enemy.
2. Don’t expect to be a fully equipped, well funded, army.
However, we the people maintain more guns, more ammo, more food, more medical, more of everything than the military has especially on a per solider basis.
“You really need to quit posting to me, CT. “
You post, we reply. That’s how this works. I know as a liberal you think your every word should be believed and worshipped as gospel and any dissent should just keep quiet, but this is FR where we debate, not censor.
Yep. How much organizing was done to bring "throngs" of people to 'Chick-fil-A's' in just a couple of days? Not much, and that was over 'Freedom of Speech', not life or death.
Properly motivated, people are capable of amazing feats. I truly hope they are smart enough NOT to test our will any further.....
1976? ;-)
Forget it. He's rolling.
I like “From my cold dead hands!” But I prefer “Two in the chest, one in the head” and “Have a plan to kill every man you meet.”
We surround them. Never forget that.
I fully understand the cost of freedom. I am willing to give my life to defend my God-given rights. I’m good with Jesus Christ. I do not fear death. So, they misunderstand me if they think I will bow down to any man.
Of course you won't, because you lack any credible criteria for "rational estimation of the opposition"; you simply lack the personal integrity to admit that fact. (Please note this change of tone follows your repeated refusal to answer a question predicated on your own standard of evaluation)
And apparently you also believe FReeRepublic only exists for you to disseminate your pronouncements from on high. If you do not believe you are under any obligation to engage in open debate without some remuneration, why else would you be here?
Finally, you are correct in that any "explanation" on your part would be lengthy for the simple fact is it is not "obvious." That you resort to such juvenile cliches' is both satisfying to me, and doctrinaire of you.
Americans have become sheep to be led to and off the cliff by the pied pipers of disinformation and PR.
The scenario will work like this.
First, the groups of organized opposition such as NRA GOA etc will be hijacked by the M. Bloombergs and big money interests behind gun control. A billion here or there could buy off their BODs. Without any such organization and there is no defense against the wealthy elites who want the sheep disarmed. All it takes is to change or cut of the head of leadership and the mission of such organizations can be molded like putty by $$$$$.
Second, would be a media that uses intentional false flag gun tragedies (purposely set up???) to move public opinion.
Third, before you can snap your fingers the American sheep that are owned by Hollywood and the entertainment media would be clamoring to rescind the 2nd Amendment.
I use the example of the AARP that once served as the most powerful lobbying and advocacy group in the USA, and it served senior citizens. No Congressman would mess with them. Around 2000 there was a leadership coup that took all of the voting power from the state AARP groups and gave the power to the new CEO Novelli. He turned it into a money making machine that primarily used and profited from seniors, instead of a group that only advocated for seniors.
The same thing could easily happen to gun advocacy groups.
Then shouldn't she be telling us how she knows we haven't already started?
Direct confrontation is not how asymetrical insurgency works nor how Americans would react.
Most certainly not. I've been thinking about this thread since last evening and I've come to the conclusion that the author is unacquainted with the nature of insurgency. Not much excuse, really, inasmuch as the body of work on the topic has expanded hugely since Vietnam.
In the first place, the logistics necessary for a full-flood door-to-door campaign in even a single city are staggering. We know because we've tried it. And if you don't flood the zone right away the targets simply flow elsewhere. I hear about a forcible confiscation in, say, Bigtown and the suburbs. My course of action is (1) sit tight, lock and load, and wait for the SWAT team to come knocking; (2) throw on a set of camos and hit the sticks for some snooping and pooping until the power bars run out; (3) distribute my contraband to where I can get at it and they can't, and look innocent. Option (3) sounds mighty attractive, low-risk, and leaves me in a position to seize the initiative at will. And the gun sweepers can't camp out in my front yard forever.
That's how insurgency works. Because I'm talking to my neighbor in the meantime, who's talking to his. His cousin knows where there's some ammo stashed. My brother-in-law has a friend with a boat. My ex-service buddy has a cabin in the weeds. No Internet or phone lines necessary, nothing for a drone to see. This isn't fantasy macho chest-pounding, it's how an insurgency really works because we've observed it ourselves.
I am inclined toward pessimism concerning the generation to come - their soft upbringing, their indolence, their general unwillingness to put forth an effort to free themselves. That is a very common outlook in history (especially American history). It is also always mistaken.
Nor would the issue be firearms exclusively. A government aggressive enough to devote the sort of resources necessary even to begin such a campaign will be after far more than firearms. And you don't need a firearm to be an insurgent, all you need is a pair of eyes and ears and the ability to pass information. This is not new knowledge, and I am a little surprised at the tendency of persons such as our author to ignore a body of experience that we have gathered at such expense.
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